User talk:HussainAbbas

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 * Yeah, thanks. -- Michaelas10 20:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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Your edits to Darrell Hair
These edits do not abide by Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. You can read WP:NPOV for more information on how to comply with it. Also, the reference you attempted to introduce did nto support or even make reference to the text it was added with. This could be a genuine mistake, in which case I can only ask you to be more careful. If not then it is a fundamentally dishonest practice and I would request that you please don't do it again. --Cherry blossom tree 14:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for guiding me to the neutral policy of wikipedia but if suggesting the points of view of the guys like imran khan ,viv richards etc is against the neutral policy of Wikipedia ,then quoting Simon Taufel's point of view is also (as the rules cant be different)and it also deserves to be removed since quoting subjective statements by any individual can mar the neutrality of the article (but then why only remove what others have to say while leaving the comments of Taufel untouched) cricket will always be remembered for Richards,Imrans,Kapils, Ranatungas or Akrams but never for the taufels (or any other umpire for that matter).Hussain 14:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes and for the wrong link cric info has a policy of moving the older articles on the front page and replace them with newer ones however i have replaced them with other links i hope you can use your vigilance this time too and verify this links too for me thankyou Hussain 14:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You are not quoting anyone's point of view, you are stating that various ex-players have accused him of racism without pointing to where they have done it. The statement about Taufel is linked to an article in which he has made that statement so we can verify that he actually said it. If you wanted to change the paragraph to say something along the lines of "Hair divides opinion - he has been criticised by individuals such as Viv Richards but supported by individuals such as Taufel" then that would be fine as long as it is supported by a reference.
 * You also seem to want to introduce the word racial into the article but the article that this statement is referenced to does not mention racial bias. I have looked for a reliable source that discusses this but all I found were posts on message boards. If you can find a source for this statement then it can be included but otherwise it cannot.
 * We need to be very careful when editing articles on living people due to the problem of libel, both from a legal and moral perspective. This means that we need to be absolutely certain that all negative statements are referenced to other sources to make sure that they are all true. --Cherry blossom tree 14:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't have time to go through your last edits thoroughly now but I can't see that any of the articles you linked specifically mention racism so I will remove that word but leave the rest for now at least. Thanks for providing the citations.--Cherry blossom tree 15:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * my dear  biases are along certain lines  be it religious, literal , racial, social or any else ; in case of Hair the most obvious bias is  along the racial lines , which former cricketer (some of the ones mentioned above) too have verified. as for not finding any source other than message boards regarding the issue my advise is  to use a 'reliable' search engine like googe when searching for it next time Hussain 15:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC) also i didnt say that he is a racist , I said that he has been accused of racism ,by some .Hussain 15:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have removed the references to Viv Richards and Wasim Akram since neither of them made any particularly critical reference to Hair in the articles quoted - Viv said "This Mr Hair fellow seems to have been in the thick of things for some time and maybe he could be a part of the contributing factor to all that happened - but there could be so many different sides to the story." and Wasim didn't mention him at all.
 * Biases may be along certain lines but on Wikipedia we do not deduce these ourselves - this would violate our no original research policy - we report on others doing so which was what I asked you to do. I was hoping for an article accusing him of racism rather than one suggesting that some unnamed third parties may once have thought it but it will suffice.
 * I didn't say that you had accused him of racism.--Cherry blossom tree 18:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I edited from 'umpires' to 'umpire' Simon Taufel  as there have nt been any statement (in that link) categorically supporting Hair  other than Taufel Hussain 22:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's a good catch. I was being over-vague when I wrote that line. --Cherry blossom tree 22:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

thankyou Hussain 09:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

By the way I have revised your edits in the 2006 Oval test coloumn, as the words of Mr. Speed have been highlighted in the original reference and more so I feel that his words also do carry great weight in Umpire Hair's article because he is currently his boss at the moment Hussain 09:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've moved that statement up to the earlier section discussing racism since it seemed to fit better there. --Cherry blossom tree 10:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Note
Please don't screw around by, for instance, moving other users' talk pages to new addresses. If you keep it up, you will be blocked. DS 16:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

if you are an admin here then for your information .....i have already talked in lenght about this issue to your fellow adminstrator MER-C and he has understood my position you can get in touch with him on this issue or see the discussion on his talkpage. for me this issue is closed, until further notice from your side Thankyou Hussain 21:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Your admin friend would have to bypass policy to let you do what you did. It is regarded as vandalism to both blank and move user talk pages. You have been warned. Ans e ll  23:36, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Ansell have you even read the discussion on Mer-c 's  talk page   before  comming here and calling him my friend

Hussain 09:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Ansell I am sorry about what happened to you It wasnt my intention if you can have a read at Mer-C 's talk page   then you can find out  what actually happened. Hussain 09:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I am now assuming good faith that your blanking and movements of my page were an accident. I misunderstood your statement about taking things to an admin. I am sure this has taught you a bit about how wikipedia works though, and that people are willing to negotiate even when at first sight something looks very bad. Ans e ll  09:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

User talk page
Hi, edits like this should be left on User talk pages, not user pages. I moved it for you. Thanks -- Samir  धर्म 09:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for

smoothing it out Samir actually wikipedia and its tools and traditions are quite new to me but i feel that i will adjust myself to it with the passage of time

Hussain 10:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Your barnstar
You appear to have added a barnstar to your user page, stating it is from User:General Eisenhower. Did he give this to you somewhere else? You'll forgive my inquisitiveness, but he doesn't appear to have made an edit at the time quoted in that barnstar, or for about three weeks before. It just seems a little odd, that's all. Could you set my mind at ease as to what happened here? --Cherry blossom tree 10:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I had to move my original user page onto this one

but was forced to copy paste all my user page(barn star and some other sections) in the end ,due to wikipedia's server being down

BTW nice observation Cherry Holmes :D

Hussain 21:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. I don't entirely follow the sequence of events, but it doesn't matter. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. --Cherry blossom tree 22:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Hussain
Hey Hussain, thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It finished with an amazing final tally of 160/4/1. I really appreciate your support. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 10:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Sarah Would you still have thanked me had I opposed your selection to RFA Hussain 16:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

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Dear Orphan I think I have made a specific mention to the copyright of the image( see its description) the owners say that they dont have any problem with the image to be used any where if proper credit is given to them Hussain 12:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Area of Pakistan
A couple of days ago, you edited the Pakistan article and changed the area figure from "880,254 square kilometres (339,867 sq mi)" to "905,478 square kilometres(349,607 sq mi)" without giving any source for this change of 25,000 square kilometres. I have changed the figures back. Could you provide a source please? 82.3.86.251 14:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

i mentioned the reason while making the edit  please look into the 'history ' page of the aricle Pakistan. Just for repitition of that reason I added 25000(approx.) sq km of Pakistan's maritime area to  its land  area of around 880,000 sq km.

the source of Pakistan's sea water territory could be found in  CIA's world fact book  ( you can get the exact URL from the Notes section of the article) Hussain 18:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for providing a source but, which edition of the CIA Factbook are you looking at when you obtain this figure of 905,478 km². The online edition found at gives the following information:
 * Area:
 * total: 803,940 sq km
 * land: 778,720 sq km
 * water: 25,220 sq km


 * Allowing for the inclusion of Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir (72,520 km² and 11,639 km² respectively according to the Statoids page this gives a total figure of 888,099 km² including the 25,220 km² of water. This still leaves some 17,000 km² extra in your figure of 905,478 km². Please also note that the water area is defined by the Factbook as "the sum of all water surfaces delimited by international boundaries and/or coastlines, including inland water bodies (lakes, reservoirs, rivers)". 82.27.247.204 17:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The stats on CIA fact book are exclusive of both Fata and Azadkashmnir/northern areas I asked you to look into the fact book to ascertain the total water territory of Pakistan   the areas of FATA, FANA, and AJK  are officially not included in the total land area of Pakistan thats why CIA  has not included it on its data base on Pakistan. However, since those areas are directly under Pakistan's control so they should be included in total area of the country


 * Punjab=   205,344 km
 * Sindh=     140,914 km
 * NWFP=       74,521 km
 * Balochistan=  347,190 km
 * FATA=        27,220 km
 * Azad Kashmir=  13,297 km
 * Northern Areas= 72,496 km
 * Water=   25,220 km

Total =  906,202  sq km (the figures are from wikipedia them selves) Hussain 08:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You are clearly operating under some misconceptions. Since when has FATA not been an official part of Pakistan? In the Government section of the Factbook page on Pakistan, FATA is quite clearly included in official administrative divisions. Secondly all the figures you quote for the various provinces and territories are inclusive of water area. Look at the CIA figures again carefully and click on the little book icon next to Area and you will see the definition they have used for water area. On a final note, please don't ever defend statistics by claiming they are from Wikipedia. The whole point is that you should be using accessible and reliable sources of information when you quote figures. As an example, look at the Population Census Organization of Pakistan which provides official figures on its website -->. Those figures include FATA and come to 796,096 km² without any mention of water areas. Now which figures would you assume are correct? The CIA figures, the official Government figures or you're own calculations? 82.14.81.102 02:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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Islam Under Attack!!!
Islam is under serious attack by some people! They have written serious criticisms against it. They include the following website articles of Jesus Greater Than Mohammed, Main Quotes In The Koran, Main Topics In The Koran, Why Nobody should Become A Muslim, Islam - A Case Of Mistaken Identity, and The Russian and Muslim Invasion Of Israel.

I don't mean to be biased or offensive by saying this. I'm just telling and informing you about those criticisms.

I want you to read and look at those criticisms so that you can (or can try to) refute, dispute, argue against, respond to, and react to them.

Can you please tell and ask other Muslims to look at those criticisms? Can you also please tell them to (or to try to) refute, dispute, argue against, respond to, and react to them?

There is a section in Islam - A Case Of Mistaken Identity called "Questions to ask". You and other Muslims should especially look at that part, and try to answers those questions.

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10:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC) Beauties and PR If you were lucky enough to watch that episode on Nadia Khan's show on Geo TV where Sonia Ahmed and Mahleej Sarkari were invited, you'd know that the Miss Pakistan World pageant is really the hype. At least, when it comes to controversies, the organiser know where to bring the PR campaign. Their serious POV edits which have been proven to be made by the organisers and associates of the pageant are under debate at the article's deletion debate.

Follow-up on the last issue In the last issue, we discussed about the sectarian issues that Pakistani articles were prone to. For an update, an advocate of the Shi'a faith and its prominent inclusion into the articles, LahoreKid has been banned for an indefinite period. In the process, a citation review project page was created for providing editors with a third-opinion on vague references.

For a in-depth coverage, read the talks here. Some news issues will be addressed shortly and new activities like contests and quizzes would be announced shortly as well.

Talking of sects... I don't want to sound like a separatist, if I say that for the past few weeks the highest number of edits on anything related to Pakistan have been on articles that concerned Baluchistan. From major editions to the article on Quetta to the 1935 Balochistan earthquake tragedy.

In other news: It is now important for editors to look into the logistics section for gaining or providing support for various things in the article such as graphics or copy-editing. So, if you need copy-editing of an article, or your article lacks a picture, please consult at this page.

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A convenient free postal mail service which can deliver email messages all over Pakistan. Peoples can now use their email to send letters giving you another route to communicate with others who are not connected to the Internet in Pakistan.

In recent past Internet and e-mail have revolutionized the world of communications. But those who do not have easy access to Internet and e-mail facilities could not get benefits of this facility. In its endeavour to make the benefits of e-mail available to a common man, Al Tayyeb Group has introduced i-post service. By i-post all those who do not have computer or do not have access to Internet can send e-mail by Post Office or receive e-mail through a postman. Those who have access to Internet can also send i-post to those who do not have access to Internet.

Wikipedia should have an article on this social service & must be a part of WikiProject Pakistan.Please comments. --SaqibChaudhry (talk) 09:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

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Indian POV in Himalaya
Hey freind could you please keep an eye out for the indian pov vandal user shlokgupta who keeps using pakistan-administered kashmir when naming mountains in pakistan please remove the administered part because hes pushing his indian garbage onto articles he must be stopped please re add the neutral terms 86.156.212.112 (talk) 17:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure friend I will do what ever I can.--Hussain (talk) 19:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Shekhartagra and Azad Kashmir
I am sure you have come across this Indian pov pusher you just need to look at his user page to get a idea of his anti pakistani veiws hes been vandalising the Azad Kashmir page for a long time now its time we keep a watch out for this user and please put the Azad Kashmir page on yout watch list so you can revert his nonsensical edits as soon as they are made I hope you will co-operate with me in stopping vandalism on the Azad Kashmir page thankyou Errormeek (talk) 22:37, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Indus Civilization
Indus Valley Civilization is at the heart of the Indian Subcontinent. It is mainly centered around the region and part of the Indian history. There is little argument that the Indus civilization is not part of the culture or history of the Indian Subcontinent or Ancient India. What is known as South Asia is a post-colonial politicial term that popular today but India in pre colonial tems refers to the entire region that is the Indian Subcontinent. Thank you! (GB (talk) 23:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC))

Dear GB, There are quite a few factual inaccuracies that I find in your edit on my talk page. First of all IVC did not centre around the subcontinent, its sites could be found as far as Oxus river in Afghanistan/Tajikistan and Sistan province of Iran. Infact Mehrgarh, which is a precursor to the IVC (settlements dating to some 10,000 yrs ago), does not even lies on the Indian tectonic plate, but on the Eurasian plate. Labeling IVC as part of the Indian Subcontinent or Ancient India, relieves those areas of any heritage, including the site which is a precursor of the civilisation.

Secondly, name India was only given to the region by the greeks. If I am not wrong, before greek invasions to the east the region was known as Baharat Varsha. Using a name to define a geography is just so that the modern reader on wikipedia, could identify the region with his knowledge of geography.

Naming conventions says that a name should be

Recognizable, Easy to find, Precise, Concise, and Consistent.. Using South Asia, fulfills all the five ingredients for IVC. However using the alternatives you mentioned either makes the geography of IVC either inconsistent of unrecognizable to a neutral reader.

regards --Hussain (talk) 08:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Ancient India
Please don't go around changing Ancient India to South Asia. The majority of present-day historiography doesn't use the term South Asia for ancient India. Wikipedia is beholden only to the sources, not to what might be least offensive to one group of editors or another. South Asia is mainly a contemporary political science term (and includes Sri Lanka, the Maldives, and sometimes, even Myanmar). It is not a historical term. I say this as someone who once tried to change Ancient India to Ancient South Asia, but then found almost no precedence in the sources. Regards, Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  11:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

there is not even an article on wikipedia to demonstrate the geography of Ancient India, specifying which regions it incorporates

However, the geography of South Asia is well defined by the SAARC

Historically most sources call the region Bharat Varsha, it was only the greek invaders that called river sindhu, indus and region along it INdia

First bring a relevant source which has a map of ancient india --Hussain (talk) 10:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, it doesn't matter what appeals to you logically or culturally. It is the reliable sources that matter.  They prefer "ancient India" to "ancient South Asia" by an overwhelming margin (in the context of the Silk Road).  Compare the 6 Google Books hits for "silk road" and "ancient South Asia" (half of which simply list two books with that title) with the  83 books for "ancient india" and "silk road".  What about "ancient Pakistan?" There are only 4 references that refer to ancient Pakistan in the context of the Silk Road.
 * Here is Encyclopaedia Britannica's history section on India: "The Indian subcontinent, the great landmass of South Asia, is the home of one of the world’s oldest and most influential civilizations. In this article, the subcontinent, which for historical purposes is usually called simply “India,” is understood to comprise the areas of not only the present-day Republic of India but also the republics of Pakistan (partitioned from India in 1947) and Bangladesh (which formed the eastern part of Pakistan until its independence in 1971). For the histories of these latter two countries since their creation, see Pakistan and Bangladesh." Except for a handful, of mostly Pakistani historians, pretty much every historian uses this terminology.  For example, it is called "British India," not "British South Asia."  The Britannica India article is written by some of the best-known historians of south asia.
 * As for your map question, what does the main map in Silk Road say? South Asia?  Ancient Pakistan?  No, it says "India."  There are thousands of such maps.  The DSAL atlas (Joe Schwatzenberg) has many "ancient India" maps (don't let the the "South Asia" in the name belie my point.)  Consider the ancient civilizations map, what do they mean by "northwest India" there?  They mean present-day Pakistan.  Believe me, I've been there, I know the sources.  Please don't waste yours and everyone else's time.  I guarantee you you won't go anywhere with this.  This is a tired argument, which turns up every few months on Wikipedia, with every new combatant firmly convinced that they've discovered the real underlying truth.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  03:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

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