User talk:Ian13/Archive4

__NOINDEX__

Userboxes and Userpage
Hi! Yes, i too agree that FireFox's Userpage design is sweeping the wikiworld by storm!! Also, i was wondering if you still have userboxes? I couldn't see a link, but maybe i am going blind!--Ali K 11:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the design does seem rather popular. And I do, but they are auto-hidden (towards the page bottom), since in a recent RfA people appealed I had less userboxes, so I thought hiding was a good comprimise. Ian13ID:540053 17:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

RFC / MarkSweep

 * Please stop by Requests_for_comment/MarkSweep regarding user's recent actions. Thank you! Sct72 00:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Why wrong age on your main page
Hey,

I don't get it. Why the wrong age, when the rest is sooooo nice?

Joerg Kurt Wegner 20:37, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Wrong age? I am 15...? Ian13ID:540053 16:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, really, than I am really impressed ... so young ... good luck in whatever you are doing later in your life. Greetings Joerg Kurt Wegner 17:55, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, no problem. Look can be decieving, eh? Good luck on Wikipedia! Ian13ID:540053 21:32, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Why'd you hide your age? You have nothing to be ashamed of!  I wish wikipedia was around back when I was 15, but alas it was 1994 and CSS/PHP had not been invented yet ;-). Great page design, I hope you don't mind me helping myself to some of the layout. --Dragon695 04:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm impressed with your layout. I'm about twice your age and can't come close to anything that nice :| - [[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Ontario.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] nath a nrdotcom  (Talk • Contribs)  21:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to help you out if yu would like... Ian13/talk 21:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for layout! and question: citation standard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOI:whatever and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMID:whatever which are both linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WID:whatever For the WID there might be some rules, e.g. JournalName-Year-Volume-StartPage-EndPage, which should be unique. And, to which people should I talk about that? Joerg Kurt Wegner 23:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, I have 'stolen' your layout for my user page, too ! ;-) I tried to resist, but it is too nice.
 * Beside that and your obvious experience. Do you know if there is already progress in createing a citation standard, e.g. DOI and PMID, or even better a WID (Wiki ID). We will need some templates and [jabref.sf.net Jabref] can be easily adapted to export the correct template for Wikipedia. I do not mean the mentioned templates, I would even more like to have a Wikipedia analog for URLs, like
 * I am not wholely well educated in citation, the current method is through Special:Cite, however you could try and post a topic at the village pump to see what discussion it weilds. Sorry I can't be of more help. Ian13ID:540053 16:26, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Citing Wikipedia may also help you out. Feel free to contact me should you need more help. Ian13ID:540053 16:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Award
Copied from userpage for reference (thanks for adding correctly to page!):


 * I've never got a 'Barstar' before either, thanks! :D Ian13ID:540053 17:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes
Thank you for supporting userboxes. I am requesting that you join UDUIW with one of the methods that I have outlined. Thank you. --Sh e ll 17:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I created WP:UB to help organise userboxes, and I make my statements because I am against the censorship and generic template we are expected to follow as Wikipedians outline in the gven view. If we are not allowed free speech, and Wiki is turned into a unjust dictatorship, I feel many would not be prepared to be part of it. In my opinion we need POV amoungst editors (not in articles) in order to establish an accurate and well balanced article, and to keep the community thriving, otherwise Wikipedia will only destroy itself. I do however appologise, but I am not prepared to join UDUIW, I am to be neutral in my work, and not be associated with an aspect of not comprimising, I wish you good luck, and I will continue to support allowing people to state their individuality, and I fear it will soon reach the state where even a userpage is not acceptable. Ian13ID:540053 17:49, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

What?
You have cockroaches... as pets??? What? Some people might find that sick or disturbing. Oh well, to each his own, I suppose. Cheers. -- LV (Dark Mark)  17:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, well, they are nice, and they are the non-pest species. Atleast I have brought insight to someones day :) Thanks. Ian13ID:540053 17:49, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * They are all pest species if you ask me, but I respect your opinion. ;-) See ya around, my friend. -- LV (Dark Mark)  17:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The Notice
Hey, I like the notice, I was afraid people would use it as new justification. If you want to put in a reference I have one here. . Specifically the quotes, "I am specifically trying to avoid another mass deletion." and "I did not basically tell anybody to do anything." Hope this helps.--God of War 18:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks. Ian13ID:540053 18:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

ViP
If that's what ViP is being used for now that is fine, I thought it was also for admins to let each other know "hey, I blocked this guy, look out in case he's back again".

--Wgfinley 17:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand it to also be that. But I think we are trying to prevent a backlog, and that the archive is used for such purposes, thanks! Ian13ID:540053 18:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast revert at Armenian Genocide
It was a mistake from my part, I was trying to load a picture of a phase condenser in the phase contrast microscope article but for a reason I edited the Armenian genocide article. Fad (ix) 20:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. I decided to revert since it looked like a mistake rather than a contribution. Good luck! Ian13|talk 20:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

An Esperanzial note
As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: EA-welcome (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Cel e stianpower háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Message delivered by Rune.welsh using AWB. If you wish to recieve no further messages of this ilk, please sign your name here.

Hockey at the Summer Olympics
I've reverted your move - so far, on the talk page, one person has proposed the move and one (me) has opposed it. That's no consensus to move the page, and by default, implies no move should be done. More importantly, Category:Hockey at the Summer Olympics is also listed for renaming on CFD, and at present looks likely to be unmoved. It seems to me that these two pages should have matching titles. — sjorford (talk)  22:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah - sorry. I didn't mean to do that. Sorry - I'll keep a look out for that more in the future. Ian13|talk 13:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Improper userbox deletion
I'm really reluctant to bring this up and start another wheel war, but the unilateral deletion of is the last straw. I'm really trying to assume good faith, but Tony Sidaway and a few others have taken it upon themselves to bypass the standard process of template deletion (again). If you view the past 5000 deletions and use you browser to search for "Template:User", you will see at least a dozen deletions which haven't gone through TFD within the last week or so. I am coming to you because I think that the rules and process are important, and deletion requires consensus. Otherwise, we might as well let WoW run things. First and foremost, I'm looking for this to be undeleted:


 * 11:20, 31 January 2006 Tony Sidaway deleted "Template:User no Rand" (attack userbox)

since that is absolute nonsense (IIRC, it said that "This user opposes all forms of Randroid thought"). That's irrelevant, since it is up to TfD to determine what is and isn't an attack userbox. Also, I think all the other unilateral deletions within the last week or so should be undeleted and brought to TFD, if necessary. I really don't have the time nor the energy to do a RfC/RfA, so I beg you to please stop this nonsense before such actions are required. Thank you in advanced. --Dragon695 17:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry - but is there some misunderstanding? Could you please refer to which actions I have conducted which are questionable? And also, I am unsure of what action you wish me to take - I am not an administrator, so I can not delete nor undelete things, so may I therefore ask you clarify your statement. Thanks! Ian13|talk 17:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops!, I thought you were an admin, sorry. Never mind then, I'll take it to nightstallion.  I was referring to the deletion of "User no rand" without any vote in TfD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragon695 (talk • contribs)


 * No problem, its just because it sounded like you were questioning some of my actions. Good luck! Ian13|talk 17:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey there....
Congratulations, ! Your user page has been nominated for the Esperanza User Page Award! Five judges will look over your user page and award it 1-10 points in four categories:


 * Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
 * Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
 * Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
 * General niceness: at the judges' discretion

But first, you must be chosen as a finalist. If your user page is chosen as one of the five finalists, you'll have the chance to win an award created just for having a great user page!

More information can be found on this page. Knowledge Of Self | talk  19:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (I thought I nominated myself :P) Ian13|talk 20:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Message
Moved from between discussions above: Why did you write that to me, I did write something on the discussion but noone responded, why would I leave out something I know to be true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.159.92 (talk • contribs)
 * Because 3RR is policy, and you were reverting various people who removed your addition, due to Original research and lack of cited sources, resolution though edit wars is strongly discuraged - if you need any further clarification, please let me know. Thanks! Ian13|talk 17:03, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Hmmm
North East. No more detail. Compu te  r  Jo  e 11:13, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, I was being paranoid, thanks. Ian13/talk 12:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Award
Moved from subpage talk:
 * Thanks! Ian13/talk 17:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...
Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,

--Cel es tianpower háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)

But the Joe came back...
Don't know if you remember me, Ian, but I was one of the "fallouts" from the userbox debaucle. Like you, I tried to stay away, but have decided to come back, albeit carefully and slightly grudgingly. --Joe Sewell (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Welcome back - and good luck. Ian13/talk 12:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Please check your WP:NA entry
Greetings, editor! Your name appears on List of non-admins with high edit counts. If you have not done so lately, please take a look at that page and check your listing to be sure that following the particulars are correct: Thank you, and have a wiki wiki day! BD2412 T 05:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) If you are an admin, please remove your name from the list.
 * 2) If you are currently interested in being considered for adminship, please be sure your name is in bold; if you are opposed to being considered for adminship, please cross out your name (but do not delete it, as it will automatically be re-added in the next page update).
 * 3) Please check to see if you are in the right category for classification by number of edits.

too complicated
Way too much to read on the project userboxes page to figure what happened to two of my userboxes. Are they being discontinued? Cornell Rockey 14:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The two templates cencerned (User democrat + pro-choice), have both been deleted under CSD T1. This is the new deletion criteria for templates, which forbids polemical or inflammatory aspects. To contest their deletion, you are welcome to refer to Deletion review. Good luck and I hope that helps! Ian13/talk 14:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I figure fighting the userbox-gestapo would be pointless. It just seems blindingly obvious to me that if one has potential biases based on politics (or whatever), properly displaying them on you user page might allow other people to be aware of such biases and as such, pay extra attention.  Also, why should they bother deleteing the userboxes when we can just write the same things in plain text?  Silly userbox-gestapo:)  Cornell Rockey 14:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes, it's all getting very silly. Even more silly is the extent some admins are going to to delete them, and there have been blocks and even desysopings for trying to stop the victimisation. I dislike the 'polemical' addition to T1 as well, it changed the meaning, and means that even User:KyraVixen/Userboxes/Pancakes can be deleted. Anyone who opposes seems to die at present, which doesn't say much for the Wikipedia community. Ian13/talk 14:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi. On behalf of my right eye, I'd like to thank you for giving me your support on my recent RfA. It ended with a final tally of (73/2/2) and therefore I have been installed as an administrator now, and I'm ready to serve Wikipedians all over the world with my newly acquired mop and bucket. If you have any questions, do not hestitate to forward them to my talkpage. Once again, thanks for your support.  Soothing R  20:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections Request
I have a request of my fellow candidates, and of the voters -- that all candidates give a vote to every other candidate.

It may seem that this request goes against the idea that leadership and potential leadership of our group should be neutral, a precedent that has been followed since the beginning of Esperanza by JCarriker, but I beg to disagree.

For one, mathematically all votes would be cancelled out, but unlike if we stayed silent, we are showing an affirmation of our support for each other.

To me, that's what Esperanza's about. I've had disagreements with many people in Esperanza, but i'll always support them in some form or another as long as I believe as they'll do the same for me -- as long as we're unified in a belief that kindness can cure the ills of Wikipedia as a whole.

Karm a  fist  04:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikizach supports this request
 * Dakota Kahn supports this request and did this in the last election for maintaining neutrality.

Your RfA
I've nominated you. Here it is. Requests for adminship/Ian13 2 Compu  terjoe  13:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I accept once more. Ian13/talk 14:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Community Justice
Dear members of Community Justice,

This message is just a simple newsletter, telling you of some recent progress.

Community Justice didn't get as many members as we initially hoped, however we currently have 11, including a few sysops.

The temporary council is now fully set-up, and it will remain in it's current form unless someone contacts me (or uses the talk page) to say that they wish to join the council, or to hold a higher post. In this case, an election will be organised.

We have created two warning tags: and. These aren't been widely used, so I ask you to use them when you see fit.

Finally, thanks! Compu terjoe  19:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC) (delivered in AWB).

Your RfA
Thanks for a prompt and good answer to my question; you have my support. You'll make a great admin. Waggers 20:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I am glad I have been able to assist you. Ian13/talk 20:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Please comment
Please comment on my counteroffer on the talk page of Doc's userbox proposal. --Dragon695 06:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: RfA
Pending a proper response which I don't have a lot of time for right now (I do apologise), I shall state briefly that, if I opposed your adminship, it's because I don't believe that you are suited for it at this time. Rob Church (talk) 18:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Community Justice
Hey, I made this template:  Compu  terjoe  21:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed, cool, I think half the userbox pages could do with it :P Ian13/talk 21:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

userbox proposal
Check out my "Conditional Support" entry on the userbox poll page. I'm curious to see what you think, especially since you are the manager of Wikiproject Userboxes. BTW, I plan to help monitor the comprehensive listing proposed, if adopted of course.   GUÐSÞEGN  – UTEX – 21:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that seems rather fair, with a few exceptions. I'll explain fully there. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Ian13/talk 21:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)