User talk:Ikonoblast/archive1

Regarding your edits to Laloo Prasad Yadav

 * While I respect the fact that you clearly have a great deal of admiration for a significant political figure like Laluji (to some extent, I admire him too), don't you think that your recent edits are a bit hagiographic? For instance, some of his actions "as railway minister" don't pertain to the railway at all. Plus, Laluji is such a significant political figure who has done so many things (good and questionable) that chronicling all of his activities will make the article needlessly large. Won't it be better to selectively edit the article to make it representative of Laluji's career? What do you think?Hkelkar 20:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You have been answered here and here.From next time always put the discussion on article's talk page only .Putting same discussion on two places is considered unfair.Take care.  HW   09:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Your edits in Bhumihar
Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Please understand that this is NOT real life. This is an encyclopedia. I do not mean to offend you but it seems that you have complexes and that is why you are slandering upper castes. In future, try to be constructive. I am not awaiting any reply or an explanation. And I suppose you are not allowed to remove warnings and ban templates as you have done. If you have too much time to spend then use it to 'better the wikipedia®. &#9812;BADMIN&#9819; (&#2310;&#2323;&#9997;) 16:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have struck out the above bogus vandalism warning (content dispute).Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 00:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking timely action but because of Badminton's efforts for which he has enough time, the article has becomeUSELESS.I don't remember having erased any warning or ban earlier , but your language and incidents of warnings (Bogus ones which I did erase a bit) remind me of banneduser:PandalPetrol.Take care  Ikon   |no-blast 09:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Block
Hi. You have been blocked from editing for 24 hours for repeated incivil edit summaries. Please be more careful in the future. Thanks. El_C 11:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC) .  Ikon   |no-blast 11:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * See the following 3RR report. You appear to be gaming the system as well as accusing editors of trolling and vandalism without due cause. El_C 11:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I can give you enf reason supporting what i accuse of them but you beter count diffs .See Earlier 3RR case too where I was wrongly reprted by the same person.  Ikon   |no-blast 11:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * User Hkelkar has history of bogus reporting.How can you rely on his report.  Ikon   |no-blast 12:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please observe civility and refrain from maligning others.Hkelkar 12:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Plz also showv where I have accused anyone.  Ikon   |no-blast 12:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Only 3 rv on sept,19th does not violate 3RR either.  Ikon   |no-blast 12:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, I agree with you that the two articles should be merged. But you gotta keep your cool when advancing your points. And you could have just merged it as I just did now. Anyway, if you promise to relax, I'm willing to unblock. El_C 12:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I promise  Ikon   |no-blast 12:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot to EL_C for resolving the issue finally.I wish I could have met you earlier.  Ikon   |no-blast 13:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It took me a full minute and a half to do it. :) Okay, you're unblocked. Happy editing. El_C 13:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

More issues ensue
It has been brought to my attention that you're still acting in an incivil manner. If you make further incivil remarks toward another editor, you may be blocked without further warning. Please work toward advancing your points in a dispassionate and professional manner. Thanks in advance. El_C 10:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I would like your intervention into the case.Plz take a look at the article itself ,how both of them has dubiously distorted the facts in the artocle like replacing CPI(Marxist) with Maoist and Votebank as Votebanal and mnay such mischiefs would you like to see that.  Ikon   |no-blast 10:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * As long as you remain civil, that's fine. The "CPM has intensely lobbied to legitimize madrassa "education" in West Bengal. That smacks of vote bank politics" &mdash; sounds like uncited original research. It makes much more sense that the CPI, being the sellouts that they are, engage in such votebank practices. Anyway, I'll try to have a closer look at it tommorow. Please keep your cool till then. El_C 10:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Next time onward you repeat the incivil clause,be sure to cite diffs too,for I am feeling sick of these unfounded accusations.I have already brought to your notice how unreliable these ppl are.check my archive for that matter.

No credible source till date has accused CPI or CPM of practising votebank politics infact a citation with statement clearly bearing similar connotations is already there.Trying to discover votebank of left parties would be OR as per WP:NOR.  Ikon  |no-blast 10:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No argument with that. But regardless of this specific content item, both parties need to realize that if they want me to look into the conduct matter (spanning several articles), they need to present a clear, concise, and well-documented account. I simply cannot spare the time to go through entire articles, talk pages/archives, et cetera. Individual diffs need to be cited alongside pertinent summaries. El_C 00:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

 * Any admin has failed to please me.Carry on what pleases you.There are three unwanted elements on wikipedia Vandals, trolls and admin and last one cis simply sum of first two.How do you feel belonging to this class.  Ikon   |no-blast 11:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ikonoblast,

Happy to see you with a new username. "Holywarrior" wasn't the best choice. Unfortunately, you are still your own worst enemy. Please stay calm, and avoid the 3RR, even when you consider your opponents gaming the system. --Pjacobi 11:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding reversions made on September 24 2006 to Votebank
You'll be pleased to hear that the dozy admins have woken up.

William M. Connolley 12:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack

 * Since the issue over Votebank is a content dispute, not a vandalism case, a bogus vandalism tag is a personal attack.

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHkelkar&diff=77888456&oldid=77868052 Hkelkar 12:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * This was a genuine warning and i do feel you need a block for refraining to avoid vandalism (removal of sources cannot be termed content dispute).what you have posted above is just an example of bogus warnings and vandalism.  Ikon   |no-blast 12:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Plz see this.Hkelkar 21:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Plz click on new versions ,i have shown him what he was not aware of.Good day.  Ikon   |no-blast 11:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bhumihar
I'm afraid, I am not really working on this page. I just wikified some of the things here. I'm an anti-caste fanatic, so I am not much into these caste articles. I am not sure about castes and subcastes; I'll try to cleanup the article, though. utcursch | talk 13:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Kancha Ilaiah
I have responded on my talk page. Ben W Bell  talk  06:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Sockpupet labelling
Don't go around labelling user accounts as suspected sockpuppets. If you have evidence to present then present it in the correct place, but do not go around arbitarily labelling user accounts as sockpuppets. Ben W Bell  talk  16:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ben I haven't placed them arbitrarily only proven ones.  Ikon   |no-blast 10:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Shame some of the ones you placed are not sockpuppets then. Hleklar (or however you spell it) isn't a sockpuppet, this has been proven. Ben W Bell   talk  11:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I had placed suspected tag on him not confirmed ,which must be placed if RFCU is going on and have been accepted besides the result is Likely.Plz,also have a look what that guy had done to Dhammafriend's page; the request was not even entertained.Which is more shameful!!!!!  Ikon   |no-blast 11:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Plz clarify--- Do you mean to say I sd not tag even if RFCU is going on with proofs??? What after RFCU clarify this too.Look.  Ikon   |no-blast 11:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Please don't put vandalism warnings on other users pages for content disputes. Or you'll be blocked William M. Connolley 19:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Plz specify your charges and refrain from using bullying/intimidation techniques.Of course vandalism can't be called content dispute if you choose to call it.  Ikon   |no-blast 07:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked again.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

FOr???????  Ikon  |no-blast 08:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * For adding bogus vandalism tags to Hkelkar. That's pretty obvious. Also I note that in a post further up the page, you infer that ADMIN = VANDAL + TROLL. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as Hkelkar is concerned Tags are genuine check it if you haven't already.Beacause you have stooped to the level of inventing a reason of block which is obvious now.This is not the way to show your Vandalism and trolling behaviour you may learn it from Hkelkar & Trolley, thiy will surely teach you new tricks.  Ikon   |no-blast 08:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Did you block me to fecilitate this.  Ikon   |no-blast 08:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Blnguyen you are the person who is having the fun of adminship while I am the guy who has been most harassed by the Hkelkar & trolley.Sadly you too end up being part of that.  Ikon   |no-blast 09:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Can admin block someone for having fun
Since the block is obviously to have fun; Plz leave your remarks on this side of adminship.  Ikon  |no-blast 09:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I am logging out but survey must go on.I will log in after 2-3 days.Blnguyen may choose to block me for that pd. or if his head doesn't cool with that too he may invent some reason to impose indeff block.  Ikon   |no-blast 09:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Remarks
I feel oblidged to ask you what you mean by this comment. Ben W Bell  talk  10:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry for being too harsh on you,of course if I attempt(I pity those who are motivated by success alone) that you won't be the only person (You can rely on me -- I feel I am worth this much trust).There are many many who are higher up the order,you must feel comfort of being too low and maybe even worthy of forgiveness because your modesty at times inspires me.If you think it was a sort of attack on you, just have a look at incivil posts by admins above who threatens block for reasons they themselves don't know,connives with known trolls, and invents loopholes to pursue their unethical agenda --- You have been witness to some of their deeds too .Lastly I would remind you of the unanswred question above ,would you like to answer them.   Ikon   |no-blast 09:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Request for comment(active for 2 days)
(Add your comments here;After 2 days it will be on ANB or RfArb)

Are these warnings bogus: ,issued against removal of these sources from votebank .Vote Bank Politics by Syed Ali Mujtaba - 2.Congress looks for a Vote Bank - 3.Tussle for Hindu Vote Bank in Tamil Nadu - 4.Vote Bank Politics in Malaysia - 5.Vote Bank Politics in Kuwait issued against rv addition of sources and content in Lalu Prasad Yadav without undoing any pvs cotribution -- see talk page too (Plz check versions from Gamesmasterg ikonoblast---Hkelkar in folowing link  One may clearly infer the other two were simply undoing my edits one must look in details for having clear view of their misdeeds,, and  was issued against rv warnings with abusive edit summary. All warnings issued on or before Sept,29th. I was blocked for it.  Ikon  |no-blast 09:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Admins who think it was bogus


 * William M. Connolley (threatened block on Oct,2)
 * Blnguyen | BLabberiNg(blocked me on oct 3)
 * Well if one looks at the last sentence of ikonoblast's version of the article here. One sees the following thing:

The left-wing parties, such as the Communist Party of India have a committed cadre who have successfully kept themselves away from votebank politics. A patently false claim which he backs up using this article: http://www.himalmag.com/2004/may/commentary_4.htm

The article is fine, but it does not mention anything about CPM not having a vote bank. Point of fact, this sentence from the article: The left parties, CPI and CPI (M), are ideology-based political entities and have a committed ideological cadre as their constituency

suggests that they DO have an ideological vote bank. Thus, the citation is false. The other issues are between ikonoblast and gamesmasterg9 and I am not involved.Hkelkar 12:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Idiologocal cadre are not regarded as votebanks as per very definition,what argument you have against your other misdeeds.  Ikon   |no-blast 10:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I have realised that it is pointless trying to have a healthy debate with you. If you bring it up for arbitration, then I will defend my actions in the presence of neutral arbitrers, but I feel I have nothing to gain by commenting here.Gamesmaster G-9 20:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Infact that is exactly what I discovered about you.How do you defend your Page Move,which has been proven now to be trolling on your part (after the page has been merged),now we stand exactly where the article was few months ago.  Ikon   |no-blast 10:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't even understand the concept of a "healthy debate". And it is the height of hypocrisy for you to demand good faith from me, when you have never made that concession for others.Gamesmaster G-9 18:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * AGF is not a concession that you make ; it is the very bottomline of editing qualifications, if you can't do you fall in the line of user:Hkelkar.  Ikon   |no-blast 08:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello
I do not know you, and learnt about you from Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Administrators' noticeboard. I would suggest you to continue editing. However, we all know that sometimes one may even help the Project by not editing! --Bhadani 08:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanx phps you remember user:Holywarrior.  Ikon   |no-blast

The lighted path
Hi. Do you know about Diwali? I wish you All The Best on the ocasion of the Indian festival of light, Diwali. I am sure that the light of hope, confidence, and all positive attributes shall always remain inside you – lighting your path and guiding you to attain higher and higher levels of excellence in all your endevours! All the best! --Bhadani 17:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 12:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanx, for leaving a message here, but I have recieved it through email too, from an unknown person reply to whom is bouncing!!!!  Ikon  |no-blast 08:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Inactive
Plz mail only for serious issues.  Ikon  |no-blast 08:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Civility
Please observe WP:Civility and refrain from making such comments. Hkelkar 13:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Archiving
Archiving using permanent links is a bad idea because it is not searchable. It doesn't reduce the load on the server in any way. See How to archive a talk page. utcursch | talk 13:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying.  Ikon   |no-blast 13:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yadav page information
Ikon, I have only now received your messages on my talk page, I did not know of its existence before. Clearly, I am learning the ropes here and time constraint does not permit quick learning. Anyway, my message concerns our discussion so far. I am not sure if you are seriously interested in presenting correct (to the best of our knowledge) info or you are here with an agenda, such as you are a Yadav and do not want to portray unfavorable info on the page. If you are sincere, and have an honest interest in presenting correct information, then I am not sure why you do not understand my point. I will try to explain again:

The yadav page says that Yadav are a Kshatriya caste. All published journal articles disagree with this. I have provided some references and you can see. The references on the Yadav page currently are unrelaiable as I have discussed in the postings. I find that you do not answer my questions, try to wiggle out of answering by levelling false charges, and are very rude. In your last action, you removed the references that I had provided without any reason. They were provided because they contradicted directly the information on the Yadav page, and yet you say they are not relevant. No reference on the Yadav page is as credible as the ones I had provided. All these things make me wonder about your motives for being here.

I want to enjoy Wikipedia in cooperation with everyone. My objective is to present correct information. My interest in caste issues is only academic. I have said all this as I feel that maybe there has been some misunderstanding. Although I feel that you accused me wrongly and were very rude, and should apologize. In any case, that is your problem. If you still insist on creating problems for my work here, then I will have to take actions. Maybe not immediately, but I am here for a long time. You have a choice at this time. Finally, if you had not been rude, I would not be writing here as my interest in Wikipedia was fleeting. Now I want to have some more fun. Happy learning! Try to be nice to others, you don't have to pay for it.

shashis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shashis (talk • contribs) 02:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar
This case is now closed and the results have been posted above.


 * is banned for one year.
 * editing under any name or anonymous ip is banned from Wikipedia for one year.
 * is banned for a year for personal attacks, disruptive comments, edit-warring and incivility.
 * BhaiSaab is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar.
 * Hkelkar and socks is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar.
 * TerryJ-Ho is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar.

For the Arbitration committee, Cowman109 Talk 06:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)