User talk:Imagritte

Welcome!
Happy editing! Peaceray (talk) 14:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks @Peaceray ! I actually already found the Wiki Projects ! I will look at the other links you sent, have a nice day Imagritte (talk) 14:46, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Expand French templates
Hi, I'm Girth Summit, an administrator here. I noticed that you are adding the 'Expand French' template to a lot of articles. I spot checked one of them, S.Pri Noir, and discovered that our article was created as a direct translation of the French version of the page (per the edit summary used when the page was created on 17 May 2022). As far as I can tell, there is no content at the French article that is not already present in the English version, so the tag serves no purpose. I have not checked any other articles you have tagged like this, but I'd like to ask you what steps you are taking prior to adding these tags to ensure that there is content on frwiki that could actually be used to expand the articles? And, whether you would be willing to go through and remove any tags on articles, like the one I have identified here, where there is no such content? Girth Summit  (blether) 10:43, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Girth Summit, you're right S.Pri Noir article was actually already a direct translation, my bad. Usually what I do is I check the French version to see if it is higher quality and/or longer, but sometimes, when I already know the person is quite famous in France (like S. Pri Noir as a rapper) and see the english article is small, I assume that it could be expanded without checking to make it faster.
 * Though, this is probably a poor method and I should make sure to check everytime in the future.
 * I will double-check all the articles tags I added to make sure, and remove if there are not needed.
 * If you have any other tips to help me improve, feel free to share :) Imagritte (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Reply
The different language Wikipedias are independent and have different rules. A straight translation may not be appropriate.


 * When you write about a person, you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that they meet the music notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the person or an associated organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the person claims or interviewing them. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.


 * Your only reference was a review of his release which confirmed why he picked his user name, and nothing else. Reviews are not generally seen as good sources anyway, his notability doesn't depend on what people thought of his recording.


 * Your entire content consisted of, basically, "He's a rapper... real name... stage name" Nothing at all to show how he meets the music notability criteria linked above


 * You submitted the article for review, so presumably you thought you had done enough, or were you expecting someone else to write the article for you? It would certainly have been rejected if I hadn't deleted it as lacking proper sources and with no evidence of notability


 * You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.


 * As posted, your text had little purpose other than to promote his name


 * There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
 * You must not copy text from elsewhere. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial; text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.
 * Your text was copied in translation from the French version without acknowledgement, that is a copyright violation, see Copying_within_Wikipedia and Help:Translation

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your answer @Jimfbleak and your time. The subject definitely meets notability criterions. It's just that I didn't have time to translate the whole article and 10 references in one time, so I wanted to "create a stub" as mentionned in Translation and put a "Expand French" template to continue later. As for urls I don't remember putting any urls, and I usually always indicate when the text comes from French WP. So I will write the article again with more sources and details. Thanks again, Imagritte (talk) 18:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Jimfbleak, here it is if you want to check : Draft:Vin's Imagritte (talk) 15:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * That looks better, I'll leave it for the AfC reviewer to decide. Ref 6 looks as if it's been chewed by a dog Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:54, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh you're right, I fixed the source, thank you ! I would need some help to create the box on the right though, what's the correct template as I see many of them ? Imagritte (talk) 17:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

An Invitation
Hello...as we are always in need of competent translators, please have a look at Pages needing translation into English. Perhaps you will find some article to work on, and as an added bonus, you will see articles in different states...with quality ranging from abysmal to rather good, which in turn might make it easier for you to learn the ropes here. Cheers and happy editing. 12:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC) Lectonar (talk) 12:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the link @Lectonar ! Imagritte (talk) 14:07, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Lectonar, I don't know if I should be contacting you like this, but 2 single-purpose and very occasional contributors are trying at the same time to force edits on the Juan Branco article (also against RFC consensus). I don't know what to do in this situation and don't want to make mistakes, could you give me some guidance? Thanks :) Imagritte (talk) 11:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello...you could always use my talk-page of course, but, as you can see, pinging works too. The first port of call in cases like this is the article talk-page...and I can see some discussion has already taken place. We are in a bold-revert-discuss situation atm. Just follow EN-Wikipedia guidelines, and don't loose your cool, then we'll be fine. Lectonar (talk) 12:21, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok great :) I will try to discuss, even though their messages don't seem like wanting a discussion atm... Maybe I could also ping back people that participated in the RFC and propose everyone to talk again there ? Keep you in touch anyway, Imagritte (talk) 12:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I I tried to explain and reopen RFC discussion (I don't know if that's the proper way though) here : Right now I just feel like I worked dozens of hours to translate and expand for nothing :( The article is even worse than before because they added a whole wp:undue 5 ko paragraph sourced by only... One primary source. Which means I don't even feel like sourcing and Undueness were ever the real problem to them... Imagritte (talk) 14:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And in the meantime the article has been restored to a version before the sweeping changes. Lectonar (talk) 14:50, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lectonar Yes, sorry, I will try to keep calm and go drink tea, enough emotions for today :) Thanks for your advices, Imagritte (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * For me it was (and still is) helpful not to pour too much of my lifeblood into speicifc articles (or topics). Lectonar (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lectonar You're right, at some point I was like "maybe I could try to focus on an article and to turn it into a GA" but it doesn't feel like a good and sustainable idea. Imagritte (talk) 15:08, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello back @Lectonar, sorry to bother you again, but it seems that, after completely breaking WP:FAITH and WP:Canvassing in the RFC lead he opened ("Imagritte is not editing in good faith" and calling for 2 selected contributors), he just (again) forced his changes during the RFC as well as D.Lazard, which may have even confused a contributor who commented afterwards about what the status quo is. This + the numerous disruptions on the talk page  and the fact that D.Lazard litteraly said about the previous RFC he opened "If I did not respond, it is because the first RfC was engaged in such a way that it could result only in keeping Imagritte's version." seems to show that he was never looking for any consensus anayway... This is really exhausting me... Are there any procedure I could use in this case ? Thanks, Imagritte (talk) 11:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lectonar + I just noticed that the two account names have the same starting and ending letter (D.....d) and both 8 characters. Imagritte (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Vin's (May 14)
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Drmies (talk) 20:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Drmies, thanks for reviewing my draft. I will rework on formulation and structure of the article. However, please note that the source you called tabloid ("chatty celeb website") is actually a French specialized hip-hop media. Imagritte (talk) 23:17, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks--but the articles I looked at from that website were single-paragraph announcements that read like press releases. Blabbermouth is specialized too, but that doesn't mean that everything it publishes is automatically of note. Drmies (talk) 13:22, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Drmies Oh okay, and it shouldn't be used in this case ? That's usually what they do for known artists on their songs. Or do I have to wait for a more detailed article about a song to add it in the article ? In this case, I am afraid that it might be difficult for hip-hop artists to get content, since they are already under-publicized in mainstream media. Isn't there a special clause for underground art (like hip-hop) on english WP (just like on French WP) ? Imagritte (talk) 14:07, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What I suggest is include significant coverage. It really depends. Lots of things are under-publicized, but not everything that's published is worth including. Like this--this was (it seems to me) an emailed interview, where he just answers in a few short paragraphs--but that actually doesn't "prove" "widely noticed in France"--a list of a few citations doesn't prove that (it's original research), since what you need is a reliable secondary source that says "it was widely noticed". Does that make sense?And I'm looking at the claim that his video was censored on YouTube: "Après s’être fait censurer son dernier morceau Liberté sur YouTube en janvier dernier"--surely if this person is notable enough by our standards and he gets banned on YouTube, there'd be better coverage than five sentences on that website. Why was it censored? You said "the title is censored"--you mean the work, or the title of the work? As far as I'm concerned, that paragraph with all its websites does not reach encyclopedic standards, and thus you should trim it.I'm looking at his MeToo song again. There's decent sourcing there, and with the Franceinfo, Konbini, and Inrocks articles you can compose something solid, less promotional, and more to the point--and leave out the weaker references (I don't understand note 13, the Thierry Coljon thing). It's really a matter of tone and editorial judgment. Bonne chance. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Drmies Thanks a lot for the precisions, I will work on that. Imagritte (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Just for side note : both elements were added by another contributor on French article ;) I wasn't so sure about them but he seemed experienced, so I didn't question them. I'll know for next time :) Imagritte (talk) 15:52, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * On the "censorship", it seems that only one of his clips (Liberté) was deleted by Youtube. Only sources are those from Booska-P, saying that he then published a second version. No explanation on the reason why it was "censored". So, I am wondering if I still let this info with those 2 sources ? What do you think ? Imagritte (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As for Thierry Coljon, it seems to be a book on #Metoo movement's influence on hip-hop, where Vin's is quoted, I suppose it was added to add to his notability, showing he is quoted in academic work, but we can take it out. Imagritte (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, right, I got you--that's stuff from the French version. I've seen a lot of really weird references in the articles I translated. Thing is, if he indeed pops up in a published book, that's worth pursuing because that greatly adds to his notability. (The book is here but there's no preview, unfortunately, and it might just be a brief mention--so that would be a lot of work for an unclear payoff.) If you can cobble together a clear and well-sourced statement on the YouTube "ban", go for it. Drmies (talk) 21:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's a full translation :) I'll look for a version of the book. Thanks, Imagritte (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Drmies, it's been a while, I think I fixed all the mistakes mentionned. Could you review the Draft:Vin's or do you prefer that another person do it ? Imagritte (talk) 10:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Short description for Roselyne Bachelot
Hello. Regarding: "What's the problem with the short description ?"

There is a syntax error in the source code for the Roselyne Bachelot article; and a duplicate short description.

Please let me know if you have any questions. —Scottyoak2 (talk) 18:37, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh okay thanks, it was just for me to understand :) Imagritte (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I am not new; please don't send me welcome notices
Hello. This is the second time this year I have been given a "welcome" message by another user on Wikipedia. I have been here since 2006 and made over 600,000 edits. For somebody who appears to have only registered this year to be welcoming me, without having checked to see that I'm not new and have archives on my talk page dating back to 2006, feels rather condescending. I understand it wasn't your intention but regardless it feels like it. Please check in future to make sure users are actually new users who have not been welcomed if you welcome them. Thank you.  Ss  112   18:01, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Ss112, really sorry for this mistake, I am still discovering the tw tool, I will make sure to check in the future Imagritte (talk) 12:02, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Au diable vauvert
Hello Imagritte,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Au diable vauvert for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+ contest this deletion], but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

 ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   22:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Au diable vauvert moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Au diable vauvert, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Bbb23 (talk) 22:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh okay, I didn't see that some sources from the French article were only accessible through archive : I will rewrite it with the correct links. Thanks @Bbb23
 * Also, I still have this article Draft:Vin's pending for review :( Do you konw how long it generally takes for a draft to be reviewied ?   Imagritte (talk) 22:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Depends, but it can take months, I believe. I don't review drafts, so I'm not the best person to ask.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Bbb23 and @Raydann, is it better now ? I clarified the sources, fixed the links and translated some more info to clearly state the notability of the publishing house, Imagritte (talk) 23:19, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Vin's has been accepted
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 * Great, thanks for your inputs @Drmies ! Imagritte (talk) 16:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure--next job, more cleanup. "Anglicize" the punctuation, organize the paragraphs (so they're not single sentences), put the footnotes in the right order, all that good stuff. Take care, Drmies (talk) 17:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will work on that :) Imagritte (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Juan Branco shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Nemov (talk) 19:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Nemov Sorry for yesterday, I was really frustrated like when loosing hours of work, hope you can forgive me. + I wanted to let you know: I just noticed both accounts names begin and end with the same letter "D......d" and both have 8 characters.. Imagritte (talk) 21:31, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Georges Peignot, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Per MOS:OVERLINK, country names and similar commonly understood terms should not be wikilinked. Belbury (talk) 21:02, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Belbury Oh okay, thanks for your input and links, I will look at them, Imagritte (talk) 21:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Blocked

 * Hello @NinjaRobotPirate, could you please explain to me what "link" you have found between me and Salmasalma2 ? I have never seen or interacted with this person, so I am wondering how I could be a sockpuppet of him ? Thanks, Imagritte (talk) 10:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You're on the same IP range, editing the same article, and making the same arguments. Make an unblock request if you want to be unblocked.  I will not be unblocking you. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @NinjaRobotPirate Same IP Range as Salmasalma2? What does that mean ? (and is this possible if I don't know him?) Could you please detail the same arguments ? I am just trying to understand as per WP:Guide to appealing blocks. Thanks, Imagritte (talk) 15:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I just told you why you're blocked. You are on the same IP range as, and any other CheckUser should be able to verify this.  I will not be posting the exact match-ups between you and the other sock puppets because it would just make it easier for you to change your behavior.  If you don't know what an IP range is, try reading the Wikipedia article.  It is unlikely I will reply again, so please just make an unblock request if you want to unblocked. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @NinjaRobotPirate So you confirm that I have no IP link with Salmasalma2 ? And why did you retag to Brancojuan on my user page then (but not here ?), am I on his IP range too ? I am confused. Sorry to bother you but the WP:Guide to appealing blocks says it is "important to understand why" before making the appeal.  Imagritte (talk) 18:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @NinjaRobotPirate It also says that I can expect you to answer.. Imagritte (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Your comment about "IP link" is obtuse and in conformance with your usual argumentative style. NinjaRobotPirate said it was unlikely he would respond again and told you what you needed to do. If you persist in these kinds of comments, you will probably lose access to this page.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Note to reviewing admin: Imagritte repeatedly makes it sound like what she did to the Branco article was with my encouragement. The truth is the opposite. I got so tired of dealing with Imagritte and their (as noted above) style of "discussion" that a long time ago I removed the Branco article from my watchlist because it was painful to watch how the article was being "expanded". Although probably unnecessary, I should also add that this is CU block and cannot be accepted without the consent of a CU. I would decline it myself except given the history between Imagritte and me, I consider myself WP:INVOLVED.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)