User talk:In ictu oculi/Archive 2010

DNB
Hello - I came across your addition to Joseph Mede, and was led to look at your recent article creations. I can see you're aware of the Dictionary of National Biography as a source; but you might not have noticed that related pages link to several of your articles (called "DNB Epitome"). It's a long story, but what it means is that text from the DNB is being made available (at Wikisource), to provide supporting references that are online, and also as raw material for articles. I'm going to bed now, but I'll look again tomorrow at what can be done. Charles Matthews (talk) 23:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, this could be enormously helpful. I had no idea this was becoming available. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I've made general comments on my own talk page. What I have done just now is to add DNB citations to William Ashdowne, Hugh Farmer, and Arthur Ashley Sykes. Don't hesitate to mention others for whom you want to create articles. The DNB text is public domain, so articles here can be created starting from the old DNB text. This requires only the addition of the template DNB at the end for attribution. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You've been busy! If you check your watchlist you should see various edits I have made to articles you have created. Some are things that come up every time (subject in bold in the topic sentence, birth and death categories, defaultsort to ensure names are sorted by surname in categories). Keep up the good work: you are clearly exploring areas not yet well documented here, and there are numerous relevant DNB articles I can post to support all this (the DNB is good on hard facts, not on interpretation, so what is there is complementary). Charles Matthews (talk) 11:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Got your message = (I'm of the old-fashioned school, believing that generally talk threads can stay on one discussion page.) so *here*, I'm still learning how to use the talk side of Wikipedia. I'm a bit of bumbler with computers in total. Your DNB sourced additions to what were little more than stubs of what I'd done without access to DNB are spectacularly, and embarrassingly, complete. Is there a search function on the DNB epitome that allows to pick out key words like town of birth? WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/DNB_Epitome Many thanks again. I doubt I can keep up this Christmas/New Year induced pace of busyness, but will try and follow the (subject in bold in the topic sentence, birth and death categories, defaultsort to ensure names are sorted by surname in categories).Best regards. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being dense. If I'm reading the wikisource material correctly some DNB is on Wikisource, like Hugh Farmer, but when I change the name to pick up wikisource material from Epitome entry e.g. ^ Anne Evans (1820-1870), poet and musical composer; daughter of Arthur Benoni Evans. (e.g. say I want to create an article on Anne Evans if I can find the wikisource)..nothing comes up. Is this because wikisource is incomplete, or because I'm doing something wrong? If the latter could you please point/explain on your own page so that other learners can benefit. Thanks! In ictu oculi (talk) 01:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Points in some sort of order (you are in no way being dense, by the way ... Wikipedia work has become rather complicated, in order to get it all done).


 * To search the DNB epitome here, the best way is to use a search engine, say Google. If you search on Google like this:


 * site:en.wikipedia.org Cambridge DNB


 * you get a custom Google search that firstly restricts to the English Wikipedia, then looks for pages with Cambridge and DNB. Putting in DNB will mostly restrict the search to Epitome pages, but of course there can be other hits. That search would be quite long, but with say Kidderminster instead of Cambridge, I find it starts off with 15 Epitome hits.


 * Everything Wikipedia is always 'work in progress'. For example in the search I have just described you'll see some of User:Magnus Manske's subpages too. You can disregard them, because they were a previous state of the Epitome pages. The Epitome pages still need much proofreading, so there is no guarantee that "Kidderminster" is properly spelled there in a given instance. (The Epitome is available as a big download also.)
 * Over at Wikisource, we have certainly not completed the work: over 2000 biographies have been posted there, but that's out of a total of around 27,000. That was why I was suggesting that you mentioned any of particular interest. I spend time daily posting more, and while I have lists to work down of articles needed to reference Wikipedia articles, I might as well produce some that promote new work here.
 * There is nothing particularly skilful in what I have done in expanding articles of yours: just copy, paste and copy edit somewhat. It's routine, in other words. I regard it as supporting the expertise of another who clearly has more background.

I'll go and do something about Evans, Anne now. NB that the Epitome will list often people such as this lady, who only gets a short subarticle (she's in Evans, Arthur Benoni (DNB00)). What the text reads there is "Anne Evans, born 1820, died 1870, wrote poems and music, which in 1880 were edited and published with a memorial preface by Anne Thackeray Ritchie." The updated ODNB, which is copyright, says a little more. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking on Anne Evans, it was an example so I could try myself, but thanks for doing it and a shame no more on her. I've tried the search as you say - throws up some useful local history and Unitarian leads. I hope you will be able to recycle some of what you have just taught me on a help page for other casual DNB newbies. Many thanks again. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * By all means. The page on Evans the father is now there, turned out to be one I needed to do anyway, and took about ten minutes in all, the hardest part being some mental arithmetic to calculate the page number from a reference book. It is some justification of all the apparatus that it can work smoothly on occasion. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

This has all led quite a long way: see list of dissenting academies, and additions by User:BrainyBabe (who has some interest in Unitarian history), as we try to get this area more organised. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Something more
In John Simpson (Unitarian), there was a reference "Rutt, I, i, p.215". Having gone further into this area, I can hazard a guess that this was John Towill Rutt's Life of Joseph Priestley? Speaking of being cryptic, I take it that your username is a learned wiki-joke. It sent me back to my Latin principal parts of irregular verbs. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes that's Rutt, J. not I. Vol.i http://www.josephpriestley.com/rutt.htm In Ictu Oculi is a sort of multiple in joke, not super learned... it's a quote from the Vulgate 1Co15 "in the twinkling of an eye", also a rather morbid Spanish baroque painting, and appears in motets by Guerrero and Busnois. My teeth were having a bad day when I chose it. And finally In ictu oculi is title of a CD - Música española del siglo XVII / Los Mvsicos de Sv Alteza... In ictu oculi (talk) 15:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Huelgas Ensemble
Salve! I wanted to put Huelgas Ensemble on my to-do-list and realized that you did the work! Thank you! Yesterday I translated Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir to German, in a rush before it appeared on main page. Do you happen to know a good translation of the term "Early music". "Alte Musik" seems not quite right? I wonder also if "Early music" still applies, - they perform Mozart as well, in Historically informed performance? - I will watch this page for an answer. Musical greetings --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Salve :) I also did Capilla Peñaflorida. I'm not sure I'm qualified to give an answer, seems to me "Early music" is used much the same as "Alte Musik" or "Musique ancienne" to mean music before Beethoven, even if it is not H.I.P. such as David Munrow and Nadia Boulanger, even though Murray Perahia's Bach is not "Alte Musik" or "Early music". Maybe ask on the H.I.P. page above? Cheers! In ictu oculi (talk) 08:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Gratias! I fixed some links for "your" ensembles and Paul Van Nevel, (found Josp instead of Josep on the way ...,) found Erik Van Nevel twice (with Currende), - do you know if that is a different person or a spelling error? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Same area of music, but not same :) Erik Van Nevel now has his own page, as far as I can find from Belgian press, they are not related.In ictu oculi (talk) 12:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Creating a page - the perfect response! I linked two of those as well. Now I wonder if some Paul should have been Erik? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Adding links (s. below): I created one more for Huelgas Ensemble, smile. I wonder if their way of performance in Schloss Johannisberg - in a circle in the middle of the audience, Paul van Nevel one of the circle, rotating, sometimes switching position - is typical for them or was special for that performance to be broadcast. The festival was surprised: half of the fixed benches in the church had to be loosened, turned, and all seat numbers adjusted. Imagine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it's a "thing" of his, depending on the piece performed: "Utopia triumphans", "circle". Don't imagine the stage hands like it :) In ictu oculi (talk) 13:59, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Then will you incorporate it in the article? - Btw I moved to Rheingau Musik Festival, feel invited, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

A tip
A change such as Christoph Sand &rarr; Christopher Sandius at Lelio Sozzini is not problematic, where it is to a more common variant. But if you create the redirect first (Sand redirecting to Sandius, here), before changing, you get the best of both worlds. And there can be links to the variant that are obscured, for example as Sand, that could be hard to kind any other way than by having the redirect in place and noticing what links to it. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes I'll be more confident in creating redirects in for the future. Though in this case I checked and the German name seems quite rare. Cheers! In ictu oculi (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

More on early unitarians
I'm interested in getting another link to Gilbert Clerke, currently called an "orphan" (the people who do that like to have three incoming links, and while I disagree with their definition it doesn't do to fight over these things). I put one in from Daniel Zwicker; that relates to the controversial literature involving George Bull. I could put in a link by adding something to Bull's article; but I thought I'd ask you first, since I don't really have a perspective on the 1690s controversies (except that they were complex). Charles Matthews (talk) 12:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, complex and still not accurately systematized 300 years later. Are the letters between Gilbert Clerke and Newton (numbers 312 to 316) (in possession of the Burndy Library, New York) significant enough to mention him as a correspondent in the Newton main article? (I'd expect not) btw - if you have access to DNB material on Thomas Firmin and William Manning (Unitarian) and also Dr Christopher Crell Jr. 1658- that can be accessed without too much labour? In ictu oculi (talk) 13:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A clear deorphaning link would be in the last paragraph "influence" of Racovian Academy so I have added Gilbert Clerke there. In ictu oculi (talk)
 * I can do something about Firmin and Manning now - I'm always happy to add articles by Alexander Gordon, one of the better DNB writers. There is something in the ONB about Crell in the article about Richard Browne, his partner in medical practice, but that is apparently all. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Goodo, I didn't get the impression that Crell MD was of any significance as a doctor. :) In ictu oculi (talk) 16:02, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've created John Knowles (antitrinitarian) from the DNB - mentions Crell at Oxford in passing, might be of independent interest. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a name I've seen several times before, but without any clear idea until now, thanks. The Christopher Crell is clearly C Crell Sr. not Jr. so I've created a redirect of the link to Krzysztof Crell-Spinowski (which is the naming of the Polish wikipedia page). In ictu oculi (talk) 13:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Autoreviewer
Hi In ictu oculi, after seeing one of your articles at newpage patrol, I was surprised to see that an editor who contributes such interesting well written articles hadn't already been approved as an wp:Autoreviewer. So I've taken the liberty of rectifying that.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  08:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * WereSpielChequers, That's very kind of you. Thank you for the message too In ictu oculi (talk) 11:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Gloria
Thanks for adding to Huelgas Ensemble! Did you notice that I got Latin to the Main page on Sunday, birthday of Bach?

Thomas Hengelbrock
Thomas Hengelbrock collected some composers (s. recordings) who don't have an article yet. Your list looks like you are the one who might know something about them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I added Francesco Bartolomeo Conti and Qigang Chen, don't know much about the others :) In ictu oculi (talk) 05:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Scipione Lacorcia
Salve! Dealing with Harry van der Kamp (one more link for the Huelgas Ensemble) I met a composer Scipione Lacorcia. You seem to know them all, how about this one? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Gerda, yep one of Gesualdo's circle. I think what information there is in the booklet of the CD Kamp produced, I'll check it. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done Scipione Lacorcia :) In ictu oculi (talk) 05:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Fast again very helpful! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Igor Krutoy
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 * Okey dokey my furry little bot friend, Russian Who's Who added. :) In ictu oculi (talk) 01:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you for adding my father's name in Korean
… to Fred Lukoff. --Lukobe (talk) 04:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Kim Chae-guk
Your edit at William George Aston caught my attention. I expanded the context of your edit. After you review what I have added, I hope you will expand this section further. In addition, I wonder if you might be persuaded to review and improve a stub article about Kim Chae-guk. --Tenmei (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Gladly. The other books by various Kim Chae-guks are not related by the way, just the Russian one - with its 60 stories. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Ensemble Clément Janequin
I've got to alter my userpage now - since you created Ensemble Clément Janequin. I was bemoaning the lack of an article on them and you've gone and spoiled my moan. (I must get my one on Bragod done. Won't complain seriously if someone else does. Not that I'm hinting. I'd never do anything like that.) Peridon (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, first time to hear of Bragod and don't know anything about early Celtic music, but thanks for the tip! In ictu oculi (talk) 08:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

More DNB
You seem to be as busy as ever. The DNB effort has some extra structure now: WikiProject Dictionary of National Biography. I suppose there might be something in it for you. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Which Alfonso Ferrabosco?
Salve, can you tell me which Alfonso Ferrabosco composed what the Huelgas Ensemble recorded in 2005: the elder (1543–1588), Italian composer mainly active in England, and instrumental in bringing the Italian madrigal there; eldest son of Domenico Ferrabosco, or the younger (1575–1628), English composer, son of Alfonso senior, also a singer, and performer on the lute and viol? - Did you know Fortunato Chelleri? - Still some red link composers on Kalevi Kiviniemi, smile, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:10, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Gerda :) Il Padre Alfonso Ferrabosco the elder in discography clarified; Chelleri's uncle Francesco Maria Bazzani Maestro di Cappella del Duomo di Piacenza added In ictu oculi (talk) 02:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Gratias! (Think Bach, my topic of the week, where I found Alfonso.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

One for you?
Is Gilbert Wakefield close enough to your interests? The article we have is not specially adequate, but the material in s:Wakefield, Gilbert (DNB00) is now available. That article is suggestive about his theological views; the ODNB is also a bit guarded. A case for expansion, anyway. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:16, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Charles. Never heard of him, but now you've introduced will have a looksee, Cheers In ictu oculi (talk) 18:18, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Racovian New Testament
I'd like to thank you, on behalf of WP:WikiProject Poland, for writing Racovian New Testament. Have you considered nominating it to be on Wikipedia's front page as part of WP:Did you know? Please leave me a message if you have any questions. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, don't know how to do that, but please feel free to go ahead - and thanks for your work on Project Poland. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Jakub Sienieński
First of all thank you for your great work, I am interested in Socinianism and I think your contributions are extremely important. I'd like to know something more on the italian origin of Sienieński family. I red the article on Jakub Sienieński where you write "His father Jan Sienieński (d.1599) was of Italian descent from Sienna", could you tell me the source of that sentence, so I can investigate further? Thank you.(Talk) 10:15, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As it turns out it was either a variant spelling of "from Olesnica" (or an affectation from italianizing the Polish name of their home town?). Article corrected. At some point need to note which members of the family studied in Italy, and which merely studied with Italian emigres in Poland.In ictu oculi (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Annihilationism
Hi, I noticed "in the blink of an eye" that your contribution to Annihilationism was informative and productive. Nice work, Colin MacLaurin (talk) 00:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, very kind of you. It still needs some beefing up of 16th-19thC hist ref though. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Sir, could you do something about this guy? File:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.12.133.62 He adds things and deletes things without explanation.--Canstusdis (talk) 12:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure what can be done, he seems to only edit that page. But asked him to please register and engage in discussion. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for addressing the issue--Canstusdis (talk) 07:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Please check out the message I sent to Mobile Snail concerning user:24.12.133.62 and his continuing unexplained deletions. Can we permanently ban this guy please? Thanks. --Canstusdis (talk) 20:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Jean de Pauly
Thanks for this - I've added a note to the talk page, though. Best,Dsp13 (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, expanded the reference from Polet's Patrimoine littéraire européen: anthologie en langue françaiseIn ictu oculi (talk) 23:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Brunckhorst
Salve, you seem to know all the composers personally, do you know more about a certain Arnold Matthias Brunckhorst than the German. I just sang a refreshing Weihnachtsgeschichte but am not sure about sources. I followed your steps, starting stubs on James Kent (composer) and Stefano Bernardi (expanded meanwhile). Would you know more, especially for Kent? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Die Weihnachtsgeschichte nach dem Evangelisten Lukas? That's a beautiful piece - I would love to sing that. I recall that there is some extra information in the booklet to Hans Bergmann recording, I will see if I can dig it out. Kent is just a name to me, until you mentioned him I just thought he was an organist. But I see he like Croft and Boyce also composed anthems. Did you perform one? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your additions! Brunckhorst? Yes, that one, arranged for choir and brass, the choir singing also the arias! Kent: I added the anthem we sang here to his article. We also performed it, for the fun of it, in the Völkerschlachtdenkmal in Leipzig: quite a reverberation in the Generalpausen. New red links in Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, I have no idea from the source if Lucas Osiander is the elder or younger in the Osiander family. I bet you know more. Btw, we just listened to the Maitrise of Notre Dame de Paris in Renaissance Polyphonie: for the last two pieces, both for 12 parts, one Deprez, one a French lady born 1974, they stood in a circle in the middle of the nave, like the Huelgas Ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding to Martin Luther! My modest chorale addition (s.a.) will be on DYK for Christmas, do you think you can change some red links to blue? (A few of them have a German article.)
 * Hi Gerda would do but unfortunately don't know much/anything about the red links in Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, BWV 91. Congratulations on having it for Dec25th. Very appropriate. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)