User talk:Inge/Archive 5

Country creation lists
Yeah that's a quandry. It should be one list. No doubt about that. But what should it be labeled? Independence doesn't quite work since I know that in the case of Egypt, it has been non-independent on and off over time. But then is it a "State". I dunno. I would recommend combining everything into one list and then try to build a consensus for the name. Otherwise yes, the countries listed are almost the exact same. It's redundant. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 17:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Ingrid Ragvaldsdotter and Jarl Knut Haakonsson
Hello! Unless I am mistaken, you have written on Norwegian medieval topics before? I was wondering if I could direct your attention to the discussion-pages of the two articles Jarl Knut Haakonsson and Ingrid Ragvaldsdotter, and see if you have any opinions on the question of moving them to Knut Haakonsson and Ingrid Ragnvaldsdotter? Thank you! --Barend 15:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Answered on those pages.Inge 08:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Shetland
I popped some figures on the talk page to show you why the claim you are inserting doesn't make sense. --Guinnog 23:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Nearest railway station to Shetland
Sorry, but you've been taken in by an urban myth, just as that webpage has... It is approx 220 miles from Shetland to Bergen, but it is only approx 130 miles to the railway station at Thurso (Thurso railway station) on the Scottish mainland. I'm going to revert your edit, thanks/wangi 23:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I prefer to keep discussions about particular articles on the talk page of that article. I have answered there. Inge 23:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
I gather from your last post at Talk:Shetland you were put out by being corrected on the Lerwick error. I want to say that it was certainly not my intention to offend you. --Guinnog 00:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you.Inge 00:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Correcting mistakes is of course important and I am not put out by being corrected. But the manor by which it its done matters a great deal, espeshially when we are limited to communicate by writing. Calling well sourced posts rubbish and making jokes on how silly a mistake this was to make is not encouraging. It might pass better among a group of friends face to face, but should be avoided here. I see you were only enticed into making a small comment and I get the impression you know what Im trying to say here already. It really isnt a big deal or problem.
 * My other point is that the problem wasn't me posting it the problem is that a reputable reference site ment to inform Brits and Norwegians on such things have gotten it wrong.Inge 00:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Civility is really important on a project like this, which is why I apologised above for any upset you suffered for your well-meaning attempt to improve the encyclopedia. I would make two observations here:


 * 1) While verifiability is our standard here, it's obviously even more important to be accurate. Even apparently-respectable sources can be wrong, and as I pointed out on the talk page, this is the organisation that produced the Dodgy Dossier here!


 * 2) You perhaps didn't help the situation by reverting our attempts to correct you rather than raising it in talk.


 * Anyway, I do understand why you were put out and I hope no lasting ill feeling will derive from this incident. Best wishes, --Guinnog 01:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Obviously, but I don't suspect you make a habit of questioning such sources as hard as others. (I would call the British Foreign Office a straight forward respectable source even though some parts of that organisation have made some widely publicised mistakes.)


 * 2)Perhaps. I normally only revert once in cases like this (the removing editor referred to himself believing it to be a myth, when I had read it in a reputable source) and then take it to the talk page, but then the following edit summary was "no mention of that on the ref you provided". I knew that to be completely false and felt justified in making a second revert. I would however have taken it to the talk page had you not beaten me to it. When a possible mistake is backed up by a strong source maybe all parties share the obligation to take it to the talk page early (maybe even before it is removed the first time?).Inge 01:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't harbour grudges and I don't think any are justified here:) Cheers! Inge 01:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I thank you for your politeness and understanding:)Inge 01:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

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Mass tagging articles the easy way
Hi Inge

It looks like you've won the task of tagging the Norwegian material just like I seem to have won tagging the Danish. If you plan to add the Norwegian banner to bigger chuncks of material, I can recommend trying AWB and Kingboyd's plugin. You need to be apply to use AWB, but that will not be any problem. The plugin can simply be downloaded but requires that you've already been approved for AWB and that you add your name on the list of users.

This combination allows you to create bigger lists of articles to be tagged and to do it semi-automatically. You still need to approve every edit but you can forget about the edit summaries. The method that worked best for me was to create one big list of all the potential material (remember to save it) and work on it from time to time. The bot notices if an article talk page is already tagged, so no sorting is needed in that regard. This method was the only way I got through the WP:HV material. I'm trying to do the bigger Danish material as well but it will take a few weeks. If you feel like trying AWB, I'll be glad to give you a few tips. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 23:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk page.Inge 10:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * AWB and the plugin seems like the only way to actually do colossal tasks like this. If you try AWB, the trick is start up AWB while keeping at least one normal browser window open. Use the normal browser to go through all branches of systematically one at a time. Systematics is the key. Everytime you find a new sub category, use copy-paste on its name and ask AWB to build a list of the category's content. It will simply add these to any already existing list, so this allows you to create a monster-size list of articles. I tried dividing the HV material into two lists, but as I was going through the second, I suddenly realised that more than 80% of it was duplicates from the first, so that experiment was a complete failure. I'm not going to try that one again :) If the Norwegian category tree has as many branches as the Danish one, the process creating the list will probably take around 2 hours or perhaps a little more. Remember also to include the category  and its children. More than 80-90% of the stub material will be included already, but it will be a giant waste of time to forget the stub material the first time. AWB can sort out duplicates, so this way you don't have to work on the same material twice. Once you've compiled a full list, save it to a text file. Now, right click the article list in AWB and select that all duplicates be removed and that all non-article pages be removed. The new list should now be several hundreds of entries shorter than the first and consist only of articles without any duplicates. Next: right-click the list again and convert everything to talk pages. The list is now only composed of entries beginning with "Talk:..." Remember to save the new list to a text file and you're half way home. Setting up the plugin can be a little tricky but Kingboyd has made a good how-to guide. If you have any problems there, you know where to find me :) Cheers. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 21:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Just remembered something important. Remember to go to your Wikipedia preferences and remove the "add pages I create to my watchlist". Close the Wikipedia session and close AWB if it is open. THEN open both again and begin the list. Otherwise you will end up with a watchlist of thousands of pages simply because you've added the project banner! Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 22:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! I have applied for permission to use AWB so I guess I'll just have to wait for it to go through. Inge 22:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. Unfortunately, the application process has become a bit slower lately, perhaps it has to do with Bluemoose leaving the project? Just follow Kingboyd's guide, see User:Kingbotk/Plugin, and you'll be fine. The most important bit in setting up the plugin is remembering to deselect all the things that AWB normally does, so it doesn't begin "cleaning up" talk pages. The guide covers it rather thoroughly. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 22:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

<-Btw, I presume that it is on purpose that the Norway banner doesn't have an "importance" rating. If it isn't, that should be fixed first. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 22:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I did not want to include importance ratings at this point. The project has lately had a low level of contribution so I felt it might be too much of a challenge to implement both things right away. Personally I also have a slightly negative view of the importance rating as it might discourage writers working on off-core topics.


 * By the way: Do you know how to remove the spaces created below the project banner when others are placed below it? And how to make capitalisation of the rating not matter? Inge 10:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I know how you feel about the importance ratings, but I figured that I might just as well add them for the Danish project right away. Both problems should be fixed now, although you still need to use the lowercase form "yes" when it comes to switching on the (something-I-can't-remember) needs attention flag. Cheers. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 22:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Inge

I noticed that you've created a matching category for this template. WP:WSS normally only approves distinct categories for stub templates whenever we have 60+ articles in order to avoid a ton of small stub categories. If we don't have that many for Norwegian tv then I'm afraid, this category will have a somewhat short lifespan. I can only see around 10 articles in the Norwegian category, and all in all, the Nordic material is very small in this respect. I think it would be better to return this material to the general category. Btw, isn't AWB a nice invention? Valentinian T / C 15:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I remember reading something like that somewhere now. I did it because the template didn't put the articles in any Norway-related category, only cat:European television stubs. My main objective when I discovered that was to collect all Norway-related templates (incl stubs) in Category:Template-Class Norway articles through the project banner.Inge 10:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Tagging of Axe (deodorant) to WikiProject Norway
Hi Inge, I see you recently tagged the article Axe (deodorant) into the WikiProject Norway. Can I ask why? The article doesn't seem to have any relationship with Norway. Perhaps Axe deodorant is sold in Norway? I can't figure out why this was included. Thanks, Gwernol 13:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It is in Category:Orkla Group. Orkla is a Norwegian company. (and yes it is sold in Norway). But I glansed through the article just now and couldn't find why it is in that category. Maybe Orkla has the Norwegian license or distribution? Inge 13:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Using bot to add WikiProject Norway tags
I noticed that you were using a bot to add WikiProject Norway tags to a (large) number of articles. We just tried that at WikiProject Spain, and had to stop because it went a little too broadly. I see that you got one question (above). How did you decide which categories to tag? Have you had more questions/challenges to this tagging project? Espana Viva  15:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

you are over-tagging. Wikiproject templates should be added manually, to articles directly related to the project scope. Anything else is just reproducing category structure with fancy boilerplates. Please stop. I am blocking you for 5 minutes since you seem to be using a bot (please don't be offended, I am not chastising you, the block is intended to stop your bot in case you are letting it run unsupervised). Don't do that without using the "b" flag and declaring what it is doing. Do not tag the entire "Norse mythology" range as part of Wikiproject Norway, that's nonsense, we'd add up with all these articles tagged with five templates of Scandinavian templates. If you are interested in these subjects, I suggest you create Wikiprojects of more suited scope ("Wikiproject Norse mythology", or at least "Wikiproject Scandinavia") dab (𒁳) 15:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and delete talk pages like Talk:Alfrodull. Also note that you've added the Norway template to at least one article which already had it. Personally I think even one instance of these is unjustified clutter, especially when it bluelinks an empty talk page. Haukur 16:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Regarding the double-tagging business. If you check your AWB settings, the first tab ("Set options") should only have ticks for "Auto tag" and "Skip article when no replacement made". "More options" should have no ticks at all. I'm pretty sure that should kill any double-tagging. Cheers. Valentinian T / C 17:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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Image:Greater royal coat of arms of Norway.svg
Hei! Jeg har oppdatert Image:Greater royal coat of arms of Norway.svg med det du sa. Bare si ifra om det var noe mer. takk. S. Solberg J. 19:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Questions About Ethiopian Royalty who recieved the Order of St. Olav.
In December 2006, you said,

da:user:Inge de:user:Inge es:user:Inge1 fr:user:Inge it:user:Inge1 nl:user:Inge1 no:user:Inge nn:user:Inge sv:user:Inge simple:user:IngeThe following are/were recipients of the Order of St Olav per this page:

Field Marshal HIH Meridazmatch Asfa Wosen Haile Sellassie, Crown Prince of Ethiopia, 1956 HIH Princess Tenagne Work, 1956 HIH Crown Princess Medfariash Work, 1956 HH Ras Imru Haile Selassie, 1956 Lieutenant-General HE Lij Abiye Abebe, the President of the Senate, 1956 HRH Prince Alexander Desta, 1959 I have only been able to identify Princess Medfariash Work and Princess Tenagne Work. Who are the others and are they still alive? Do we have wikipedia articles on them as well as Princess Tenagnework and Empress Medferiashwork Abebe? Thank you. Inge 14:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sendeq"


 * As you mentioned you have identified Princess Tenagne Work (Princess Tenagnework) and Empress Medferiash Work from this list. There are articles on them on Wikipedia.  Her Majesty Empress Medferish Work is the only one on this list who is still alive, and she resides in Addis Ababa.
 * Field Marshal HIH Meridazmatch Asfa Wosen Haile Sellassie (aka Crown Prince Asfaw Wossen Haile Selassie) was later known as Emperor-in-exile Amha Selassie I, and he also has an article in Wikipedia. The spelling of his name here is a bit different.  His Imperial Majesty died in exile in 1997.
 * HH Ras Imru Haile Selassie (or Ras Imiru Haile Selassie) was Emperor Haile Selassie's cousin (actually the son of his first cousin), and was raised together with the Emperor, more like brothers than cousins. Ras Imru was appointed Prince Regent of the Empire when the Emperor departed for Geneva to appeal to the Leauge of Nations in 1936 when Fascist Italy invaded.  He was captured and taken to Italy as a prisoner, and was repatriated after the war.  He served as a Crown Councilor and as Ethiopian Ambassador to the United States and to the Soviet Union.  He had strong socialist sympathies, having distributed all his land to his tenant peasants long before the revolution.  He was the only male member of the Imperial Dynasty not to be arested by the Derg, and was actually given a full state funeral when he died in August of 1980.
 * Leutenant General Abiye Abebe was the son of a high nobleman, Lique Mekwas (his title) Abebe Atnaf Seged. He was married to Emperor Haile Selassie's daughter Princess Tsehai Haile Selassie who died in 1941 in childbirth along with their only child.  Although his wife died, and he would later re-marry and have issue, General Abiye remained a great favorite of the Emperor and Empress, and retained the protocol position of their son-in-law and member of the family until the revolution.  He served as President of the Senate, Vice-Roy and then Governor-General of Eritrea, and briefly Minister of Defence in the final Endalkatchew Makonnen cabinet during the unrest that led to the fall of the monarchy.  Although a man who was clearly known to be uncorrupt and politically blameless, he was executed by the Derg with 61 ex-officials of the Imperial government on November 23, 1974 known as "the sixty".
 * HRH Rear Admiral Prince Alexander (Iskinder) Desta was the son of HIH Princess Tenagne Work Haile Selassie by her first husband, Ras Desta Damtew. Prince Alexander was the commander of the Imperial Navy and represented the Emperor at the funeral of King Haakon of Norway.  Married to Princess Sara Amanuel, and the father of a daughter, Rear Admiral Prince Alexander Desta was executed with the 61 ex-officials of the Imperial government on November 23, 1974.

I hope this is helpful. Sendeq

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Norse history and culture wikiproject
WikiProject Vikings and WikiProject History of Scandinavia both appear to be defunct at this point. I would like to set up a new Wikiproject to oversee articles on ancient and medieval Scandinavian and Nordic history that would cover what these inactive projects used to. There are literally hundreds of great articles on obscure sagas, historical figures and the like (largely through the efforts of such users as User:Berig and User:Wiglaf). Since you have edited many Norse-themed articles in the past, I would be interested in your thoughts on how best to proceed. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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Svalbard conference behind Norway's back
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Norwegian (and Swedish) extraterritorial rigths in China and related issues
I was browsing through the list of treaties on the Lovdata website and found a treaty between Norway and China from 1943  where extraterritorial rights were given up and related issues were settled. This made me curious as I knew that Sweden and Norway had been part of the Shanghai International Settlement, so I began looking for the treaty that had established this relationship. I found one from 1847 called the Treaty of peace, friendship and commerce between Norway and China, which logically seem to have been a joint treaty with Sweden , and a later one from 1928 called the Treaty between Norway and China regulating tariff relations. I assume the first one must be one of the so-called Unequal Treaties. I'm now trying to find the treaty texts themselves. Is this something you are interested in and perhaps know something about? If so, would you be interested in doing some joint research and make an article on the subject and/or add information to relevant articles? -- Nidator 14:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have done some digging and found references to more relevant documents in a book called Treaties and Agreements with and concerning China from 1929 at Questia Online Library . There is a provisional agreement and a report from 1926 with regards to the Shanghai International Settlement:


 * "Aug. 31 BELGIUM, BRAZIL, DENMARK, FRANCE, GREAT BRITAIN, ITALY, JAPAN, MEXICO, THE NETHERLANDS, NORWAY, PORTUGAL, SPAIN, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND, THE UNITED STATES & CHINA (Kiangsu Provincial Government). Provisional agreement for the rendition of the Mixed Court of the International Settlement at Shanghai, with related documents"


 * "Sept. 16 BELGIUM, DENMARK, FRANCE, GREAT BRITAIN, ITALY, JAPAN, THE NETHERLANDS, NORWAY, PORTUGAL, SPAIN, SWEDEN, UNITED STATES & CHINA. Report of the Commission on Extraterritoriality in China. (Extract)"


 * The treaty of 1928 that I mentioned in my last post is also listed, together with some notes from 1928 regarding to treaty of 1847 and finally some notes from 1929 regarding the treaty of 1928:


 * "Nov. 12 NORWAY & CHINA. Treaty regulating tariff relations"


 * "Nov. 15 NORWAY & CHINA. Exchange of notes regarding treaty of peace, amity & 17 and commerce of 1847"


 * "Jan. 12& Feb. 6 NORWAY & CHINA. Exchange of notes interpreting Article I of the treaty of November 12, 1928"


 * The second document is actually available at Questia . It would be very interesting to be able to read the rest as well. If you are interested we could create an article about the treaty of 1847 (which according to Lovdata was signed in Canton) and the later treaties and documents that relate to it, make links to it from relevant articles and expand the Shanghai International Settlement article, which now doesn't even mention Norway. -- Nidator 17:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Intersting topic, but I fear I will not have the time to contribute.Inge 13:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I will see what I can do on my own. :) -- Nidator 15:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to say Hi

 * Hej Inge. Under alle omstændigheder var det rart at høre fra dig igen. Kender godt tidspresset og Wikipedia kan godt nok stadig være et delvist frustrerende sted, men i det mindste er det skandinaviske arbejdsklima blevet en del bedre efter at en vis person endelig har forladt bygningen, så vi andre kan arbejde i fred nu. Uanset hvad så må du i hvert fald have held og lykke med studierne. Mvh. Valentinian T / C 20:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * PS: Jeg arbejder p.t. på en artikel om det danske rigsvåben, og en af mine bøger refererer til at Magnus den Gode muligvis førte et våbenmærke bestående af enten 1 eller 3 økser. Han skulle være afbilledet sådan i et engelsk håndskrift. Ved du om man anser den historie for at være korrekt i Norge, og i givet fald om det symbol anses som personligt, eller et særligt norsk eller dansk symbol? Jeg er i øvrigt begyndt at uploade billeder af gamle danske kongesegl til Commons og jeg er derfor kommet til at spekulere over om Unionstidens konger brugte de samme seglstamper i både Danmark og Norge eller om de brugte forskellige de to steder. Er det tilfældigvis noget du har læst noget om? Mvh. Valentinian T / C 20:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Heihei! Ja det er nok mest det noe umotiverende arbeidsklimaet her inne som har ført til en svært lav prioritering av wikipedia i det siste. Etter å ha sittet i timesvis og klikket på autowikien og utført tusenvis av gode edits via den og manuelt var det ikke noe gøy å bare få negative tilbakemeldinger. Når dette var fra mer meritterte brukere fikk det meg til å innse at det er et generelt klima her inne for heller å lete etter noe en kan mene folk gjør feil og så pirke i det, enn å verdsette godt arbeid. Altså, det er ikke noe galt i seg selv å påpeke feil en mener folk gjør, men det er måten en gjør det på som skaper et dårlig klima. Når en legger til erfaringer med hvor fintfølende og forsiktig åpenbare troll og vandaler blir behandlet, ja da blir i alle fall jeg frustrert. Men det jo flere folk her inne som det er en fornøyelse å samarbeide med :) så jeg blir nok å finne her innimellom likevel.
 * Når det gjelder øksesymbolet i norsk heraldikk har jeg ikke kommet bort i det eksempelet du nevner, men jeg vet at øksen og spesielt sølvøksen er et symbol på St. Olav. Men han kom jo etter Håkon den Gode. Øksen blir brukt som hovedmotiv i våpenet til bl.a. Telemark fylke og Trondheim katolske prelatur og som delmotiv i våpnene til Hordaland, Tysnes, Sør-Trøndelag og Den norske kirke. Så øksen er nok et viktig symbol i norsk heraldikk, men jeg vet ikke hvor gammel den er i den sammenhengen. Når det gjelder segl har heg lest veldig lite, men jeg tror at det som regel var et eget norsk segl for norsk administrasjon eller dom. Men var det ikke vanlig at kongen hadde ett personlig segl? Inge 13:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Eg håper at du finn igjen gleda i å medverka til Wikipedia. Det er leitt om vi skal mista ein dugande brukar. -- Nidator 23:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hej igen Inge. Jeg ville være ked af hvis jeg ikke så flere edits fra dig, for dem jeg har set indtil nu har været både gode og oplysende. Jeg kan bare kun beklage at din deltagelse her på projektet også indebar mødet med en af de dårligere ambassadører for mit land - og endda så tydeligt som det skete. Men de svinestreger spaden lavede siger sgu mest af alt noget om ham selv. Det var nok heller ikke noget tilfælde at Comanche har holdt sig fra den danske Wikipedia siden hans sidste konto på en:wiki blev blokeret permanent. Selvom den historiske bevisthed har trange kår her i kongeriget, så er der dog stadig grænser for hvor meget nonsens ét menneske kan lukke ud i et forum af danskere før en eller anden lugter lunten, så den danske wiki var nok alligevel for trang. I det mindste så var det da humor på højt plan at Arigato1 - som en af sine sidste handlinger - sloges mod en bruger der kaldte sig "De tre bukkebruse".
 * Jeg blev heller ikke begejstret over at se hvad der skete med din diskussionsside, og Dbachmann fik også en bemærkning fra mig om at jeg syntes han var gået over stregen. Jeg håber ikke at du regner min besked den dag til den negative kategori, for det var ikke intentionen. Du har også helt ret i at trolls og vandaler tit bliver taget på med fløjlshandsker i stedet for mere effektive instrumenter. I tilfældet Skandinavien er problemet er nok at antallet af skandinaver her på stedet er så beskedent at det er meget få folk, der opfatter hvad der sker og endnu færre, der kan reagere aktivt på det. Der er som bekendt ikke mange skandinaviske admins. Man burde heller ikke acceptere IP-edits for de er næsten kun brugt til vandalisme. Og så til noget helt andet: jo, det var pga. Sankt Olav at jeg kom til at tænke på Norge vedrørende økserne. Jeg har læst videre på sagen, og på det tidspunkt har kongeseglene karakteristik af personlige eller slægtssymboler. Øksen er vist i tre engelske håndskrifter, et vedr. Svend Tveskæg (tegning af Mathæus af Paris, ca. 1250, British Museum); et vedr. Magnus den Gode (Osbert of Clare: Life of Edward Confessor, ca. 1250, Cambridge Corpus Cristi College), samt våbenrulle B 29, College of Arms, London, ca. 1280 (tre økser). I Svends tilfælde skulle han have ført et våben med en økse, og Magnus skulle have ført et med tre. Problemet er at ingen danske kilder nævner øksesymbolet, og alle kongesegl fra det tidlige 1100-tal er gået til, så sagen bliver nok aldrig opklaret. Det tidligste vi ved er at Knud VI havde de tre løver i sit våben, og man formoder at Valdemar den Store også havde det, selvom der kun findes en række sammentræf samt et dårligt bevaret kalkmaleri til at bakke den historie op, og sidstnævnte er ikke samtidigt. Der findes i øvrigt en mindesten for Kong Magnus i Skibelund Krat lige nord for den gamle dansk-tyske grænse. Mvh. Valentinian T / C 23:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Du har så rett, så rett. Nei, jeg regner ikke beskjeden din som negativ :) Jeg håper forholdene bedrer seg, men jeg kommer nok til å være innom av og til uansett. Inge 23:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

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Country creation lists
That seems reasonable. We probably shouldn't have 3 lists of the same sort of information. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 11:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

COA of Norway
Glad you liked the image from Salmonsen, although I prefer the corresponding drawing of the Danish arms ;) Hope to see you around. Valentinian T / C 00:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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List of state visits made by King Olav V of Norway
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Re. Runes
Hehe, congratulations, I think you are the first to decipher the runes (you might as well be the first to actually attempt to decipher the runes). :-) Best regard, Hús  ö  nd  21:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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Category sorting
Please note that to get correct sorting on the English wikipedia, the sort key cannot have accented characters; only the character ranges a-z and A-Z sort correctly, with characters such as "ø" sorting after "z", instead of with/near "o". For example, is correct;  causes the Gunnar Sønsteby article to list after Maria Szyszkowska in Category:Living people, instead of between Sonsee and Andrzej Sontag, where it should be. See also Categorization_of_people, which says: "Punctuation, such as apostrophes and colons (but not hyphens) should be removed, and accented letters and ligatures should be replaced by their unaccented or separated counterparts." Studerby 03:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk page. (ÆØÅ are separate letters)Inge 14:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're apparently try to apply a foreign collation order, probably a Scandinavian one; different languages collate (sort) differently. For example, Swedish and English collate (sort) the letter "Ö" differently; English puts it before Z and Swedish puts it after. As this is the English Wikipedia, we use English collation. As someone with degrees in Linguistics and Computer Science and who has worked off and on in internationalization of software, I'm deeply aware of the issues involved here and could go on at length about why Wikipedia's choice is correct, however there's no reason you should accept my opinion by itself. Fortunately, plenty of people have covered this topic before me, so I'll suggest some brief reading for you:
 * Sorting it all out: An introduction to collation, microsoft.com note: an example of English versus Swedish collation
 * MySql.com discussion with an example of Swedish versus English collation Note: MySql is a Swedish product
 * Diacritic - note: Danish and Swedish collation orders conflict
 * Alphabets_derived_from_the_Latin
 * Computer Alphabetizing -note: points out that Italian and French have conflicting rules for sorting "é" and "è"
 * Finally, I'll point out that Wikipedia practices are based on consensus; that consensus is listed in Categorization_of_people, and is contrary to what you're doing. If you want to change Wikipedia practice on an issue as fundamental as sorting, I suggest you discuss the topic there before trying to change the way things are done. People have actually though long and hard about this before you and have arrived at the policies and guidelines we currently use. While those are subject to change and improvement, you might want to discuss those changes and see if you can develop a new consensus instead of working against the one we have. Studerby 13:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The main point is that on the English Wikipedia, lists and categories should be sorted in the English way, which means using the English collation sequence, which puts certain letters in a different order than they do in other languages, such as Swedish, Danish, Spanish, Lithuanian, French, German, etc. etc., most of which also sort differently from each other anyway.
 * You're insisting on a sort order that is unnatural to native English speakers. English speakers perceive the characters in question as an accented character, not a distinct and separate letter, which is why, when Microsoft and the Swedish company MySql sort letters using English collation, the result is different from the result when they use Swedish collation.
 * Obviously, the Swedish Wikipedia should use the Swedish sort order, and the other Wikipedias should use the sort order that is correct for native speakers of that language (some languages sort the letter "y" immediately after "i", for example). Studerby 17:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Ys' in Norwegian.
Norwegian doesn't contain the letter Y|y by Fiet Nam.