User talk:Jeanne boleyn/Archive 4

Back in the Wikipedia groove

 * Well, I'm Back in the Wikipedia groove. Did I miss out on any gear happenings or dramatic altercations?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm! Eh! What was that! Sorry, you just woke me up there. Nah, nothing going on in my neck of the woods. Jack forbes (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm growing concerned
I've reverted some of HENRY's recent edits, concerning his promoting of Henry VI as King of France. GoodDay (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:BOLD is a problem for you? Why don't you work on your own article and leave him alone.  He doesn't need a babysitter!  Quot homines tot sententiae: suo quoique mos. (talk) 16:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Quot, I thought you were a Ricardian?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Any Plantagenet is better than none! Hail to the Dukes of Beaufort!  Quot homines tot sententiae: suo quoique mos. (talk) 09:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I myself am an ardent and unapologetic Ricardian: "Treason treason treason, treason, treason!!!!!!" A pity Richard didn't challenge Henry Tudor to single combat-ha ha ha. The outcome of English history would have been vastly different, I'll warrant. Then again, the Tudors did produce some of the most colourful personages in English history, namely Henry VIII and Elizabeth I.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Welsh fools gallivanting about with English taxes and lives at stake, a national prestige ruined in their names! Quot homines tot sententiae: suo quoique mos. (talk) 19:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I fear that HENRY might be dabling in the territory of Original Research. I hope, I'm wrong. GoodDay (talk) 21:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Now, what could possibly have given you that idea, GoodDay?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * PS, not wishin to be nosy, but where were you yesterday? Ya never showed up. I felt as stood up as Evelyn Draper.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been working on a potato farm, these last few days. GoodDay (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello everybody.As for the users contribution in this I am very thankful.I read those books before lol.As for your point about the clauses and his claims bieng invalid.You have the right idea in your head but I apoligize your phrasing is a bit off target.Clause 12 was not fulfilled but it only ended Henrys claim it didnt mean his claim was invalid and legitimacy never existed and this is how you are styling your work.Trust me I have many books from Anne Curry about the treaty of troyes but she is keen on Henry VI inheriteing the throne of france as this is what happend.So how can his claims be invalid and still be king,it makes no sence.As part of the clause it didnt make a peace it made an ongoing war and the war continued from 1420-1453.In the span Henry VI was king of France.Anne Curry published the contending kingdoms of england and France and she says including you say that Henry in order to inherit the problem of clause 12 had to inherit France.By the clause when Henry lost guinne in 1453 then did his legitimacy end,that does not mean it didnt exist.You have to intrpetet the clause correctly.By the same clause why do you think I put his reign as king of France from 1422-1453 and not 1422-1471.By your style no offence your stating Henry never had claim.He had claim but it ended.Goodbye.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 15:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Will I stop the Hundred Years War
Hello.Will I just end the disscution on the hundred years war.This does not mean I am wrong as I expalined above.I am just getting tired of this.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 15:47, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone thinks any discussion on it should be ended Henry. You deserve a bundle of credit for creating the article but you should take on board other editors bringing a different angle and references to it which may or may not counter your opinion on it. Jack forbes (talk) 15:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Henry, just when I'd finally got my suit of Armour polished to a lustrous sheen, you wish to end the Hundred Years War?!!!!!What do I do NOW, astride my destrier all dressed up in my gleaming suit of armour and no battle to ride off to? Ah, the shame, the shame of it all....Charles d'Albret


 * HENRY: What a great idea!  Now you can go back to the Dual-Monarchy article presenting the case for each side without taking side.  There is a lot to say about this controversy but, remember, this is History, events happened the way they happened, and we are not to judge these people, just report the facts.  Consider yourself as a chronicler or a modern-time reporter.  FW


 * Jeanne, I hear voices & they are saying: Jeanne, un conseil, gardez votre armure. Frania W. (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)  voices...
 * '"God dispose the day". Henry V of England
 * "All our ranks are broken. Shame, and eternal shame, nothing but shame......" Charles d'Albret

Question
Hi Jeanne, I don't know anything on Margaret... do you know of some info. I feel bad sorry, I know you have helped me alot and I have helped you so little. I was however thinking of creating articles on Mary of Scotland, mother of Matilda of Boulogne, John of Görlitz, son of Elisabeth I of Bohemia and Hedwig of Habsburg; I think I should create one on Hedwig because I have created articles for her sisters. I have recently created an article on Maria Dobroniega of Kiev, what do you think? I created an article on her because three of her children played notable roles in the history of Poland and Bohemia (her daughter became the first queen of Bohemia in her own right). Thank you and sorry--Daaviiid (talk) 16:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thank you for your speedy response. An article on Mary of Scotland sounds great. Same with Maria Dobroniega. Cheers, Daaviid.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just had a look on Maria's article. Excellent work, Daaviid!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Margerat of Anjou
OK.CAN WE FIX up margerat title as Queen consort of France. --HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I promise I will never edit Henry VI as Henri II of France.I guess I did push it too far.I apoligize Jeanne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk • contribs) 16:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I didnt imply the edit but it should really be changed to Lancaster-Valois.I gave a reason above.Lancastrian and valois France is only used in books to show the difference of actual power between Henry VI and Charles VII.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

1. http://books.google.com/books?id=dUk2AAAAMAAJ&q=Margaret+of+Anjou+Queen+of+France.&dq=Margaret+of+Anjou+Queen+of+France.&pgis=1

2.http://books.google.com/books?id=dzd27d4yg0IC&pg=PA100&dq=Margaret+of+Anjou+Queen+of+France.

3. http://books.google.com/books?id=UUOzgLiyd54C&pg=PA108&dq=Margaret+of+Anjou+Queen+of+France.Henry+VI+king+of+France#PPA109,M1

Sorry Jeanne.They invock Margerat (mostly) as queen consort of Henry VI.Therefore bieng queen consort of france and england.I found most sources about Margerat as queen with the addition Henry was king of France and I FOUND THE statement everytime.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hedwig of Habsburg
Hi Jeanne, I have created Hedwig of Habsburg but there seems to be a problem with categories and references, I was wondering if you could sort it out because I am stuck! Thanks--Daaviiid (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, sorted it --Daaviiid (talk) 16:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Isabella of Gloucester and Hertford
Hi, just finished the expansion of Isabella of Gloucester and Hertford, aka Isabel de Clare. She was grandmother of Robert the Bruce. What do you think Jeanne? --Daaviiid (talk) 19:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Very good. I wish I knew how to add the ancestors the way you do.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

It is hard to explain but very easy to do. You need two windows, one for editing and one for research. You need to copy and paste an ancestors table from another article. To understand where each person fits in, you need to look at the numbers, when you are looking at it in the editing process.


 * Number 1 is the person whose ancestors you are tracing.


 * Number 2 is the father


 * Number 3 is the mother


 * Numbers 4 and 5 are the paternal grandparents


 * Numbers 6 and 7 are the maternal grandparents


 * Numbers 8 and 9 are parents to number 4


 * Numbers 10 and 11 are parents to 5


 * Numbers 12 and 13 are parents to 6


 * Numbers 14 and 15 are parents to 7

It maybe hard to understand Jeanne but you will get it! --Daaviiid (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I have finished that article on Mary of Scotland (1082–1116), sister of Matilda of Scotland and mother of Matilda of Boulogne.--Daaviiid (talk) 17:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Margerat of Anjou
Hello Jeanne.Can you please answer me--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 14:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Jeanne I have clear proof.I am implying the edit--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 14:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Removal of templates
Jeanne: templates are being removed from quite a few articles, including Dual-Monarchy & others you are working on, by 86.15.54.147 (talk). I am sure you want to take a look at this. Bonne journée! Frania W. (talk) 02:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. The Margaret of Anjou template did not need to be there, however, the Dual-Monarchy is another matter.....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But 86.15.54.147 (talk) is on a removal crusade. Did you check his/her list of template removals done yesterday?  Frania W. (talk) 14:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

CONSENUS
Hello Jeanne youre the expert so tell me the steps in order to get a consenus in wikipedia please.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm no expert, Henry. To obtain consensus there has to be an agreement between the editors, thus, one has to convince the others that their sources and refs prove their version to be the correct one. Not an easy task, Henry for getting Henry VI to be recognised by the Wikipedia community as a King of France. I, myself do not recognise him, sorry.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Henry, you take it to the talk page and discuss it. A consensus for how the article is written will come after that. If you are still not happy you can ask for Request for Comment which let's the wider community give their opinion if they wish. You should though discuss it first extensively at the talk page. Jack forbes (talk) 19:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jack. Your advice is better than mine. Henry will have a hard time obtaining consensus for Henry VI to be recognised as a legit French king.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Why Jeanne would I have a hard time convincing Henry VI as king of France.I have an infinite amount of sources saying Henry VI was king of France.If you go to the really early postings on the french kings article disscution.More then 8 users proposed to have Henry VI as a french king lol.Before we even had made Henry VI in the list,in the intro to the article it quotes "Henry V failed to outlive Charles so Henry VI succeded Charles VI as king of France".lol.It also had a short note after Charles VII about Henry VI so I am definitly not the one to come with the theroy.Jeanne you say that historions dont recognize Henry as king of France but then,where did the books come from lol????Trust me historions,royal geoligists and even users who contributed like Str1977 on his theroy of acceptence of the land recognizes Henry as king of France.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

OH yeah I forgot my manners.Thank you Jeanne and Jack for your help. --HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You have been making a lot of your points on different peoples talk pages, which is fine. You will though have to also make them on the talk page of the article concerned if you want other editors to come in and see those points. That will enable them to give informed opinions after looking at all discussions on the matter. Jack forbes (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply to birthday greeting, etc
I just now spotted the greeting! Thanks!

Did you receive the article I forwarded to you via email several days ago?

Was good talking to you the other day! Sorry had to cut short, but I will try to recall you this weekend or next week.

--DASTEV (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

George Harrison
Hi Jeanne, see you mentioned on the Talk:English people page that George Harrison was half Irish. On the George Harrison article it only notes the nationality of one of his grandparents - his maternal grandfather, John French - who was Irish. Do you have any inside knowledge about the other three? Daicaregos (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have heard that he was also part Welsh on the paternal side as was the case with John Lennon on his maternal side (The Stanleys were Welsh).--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Rolling Stones Keith Richards and Brian Jones are/ were part Welsh as well.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So they can all safely be claimed as English, then. OK, thanks Jeanne, just wondered. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 10:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * John Lennon is of Irish descent. I believe they were once O'Lennon. GoodDay (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just his grandfather was Irish, the father of Freddie Lennon.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, old Jack Lennon. GoodDay (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * John had more Welsh ancestry from his mother Julia Stanley, than anything.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Julia.... GoodDay (talk) 14:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Gertrude of Merania
I have recently expanded Gerturde of Merania. She was a sister of Agnes, Queen of France. She was married to Andrew II of Hungary. She was murdered while hunting by some hungarian nobles due to her political influence over her husband. She took hungarian land and gave it to her german family.

I was surprised to see that Gerturde had only a stub that was unreferenced. Yet she is mentioned alot is Andrew II's article. What do you think Jeanne? --Daaviiid (talk) 15:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You did a good job. She was an interesting person, she merited more than a stub.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh Daaviiid, she was a direct ancestress of Philippa of Hainault. The article should state this fact.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank You, Jeanne. I changed the merit on the talk page from stub to c --Daaviiid (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Agnes of Aquitaine, Queen of Castile
Hi Jeanne, just created an article on Agnes of Aquitaine. She was wife of Alfonso VI of Castile and was great-aunt of Eleanor of Aquitaine. I thought at first I could only create a small stub but medieval lands had alot of info to help me. What do you think? Cheers--Daaviiid (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's very good. Was Matoeda her mother's actual name? I have never heard of that name before.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cawley says her name was Mathilde.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Empress Elisabeth of Austria
Hello, jeanne! Do you have any idea what happened to the bottom of Elisabeth of Bavaria article? Everything below Ancestry section is invisible! Surtsicna (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know what happened. Someone has removed the external links, references, etc.!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, nobody has removed anything, that's the problem! It's all there, you can see it when you edit the article. It's simply invisible! Surtsicna (talk) 13:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Jeanne, I see you have created an article on Hawise of Chester, Countess of Lincoln, it seems very good and she was born not far from where I live. I was wondering if you know of anymore people I could create an article on. My article on Agnes of Aquitaine has for some reasons been shortened and the medieval lands reference was taken away (but I have restored it). I forgot the name of the user. Thank You!--Daaviiid (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I forgot to tell you Jeanne, I have just done a count of articles I have created and I have found out that I have now created 100 articles!!! --Daaviiid (talk) 18:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good work, Daaviid, just keep on creating articles. I have just created a new article on Hawise's grandmother, Maud of Gloucester. What do you think? If you'd like, you could create an article on her mother Mabel FitzHamon. King Stephen's reign was so exciting.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Cassanova? Me?
I just can't have my gals, fighting for my attention. I'd go on further, but modesty prevents me from doing so. GoodDay (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Believe me, if I were younger, I would get into a cat fight for your exclusive attention. I was verrry jealous when I was a passionate, bright young thing. It's useless to be jealous now, as I'm over 40. LOL.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I rather fancied a cat fight for my attentions. It doesn't happen to me outside of Wikipedia. Oh well, I'll just have to play it cool (where's my sun-glasses?). GoodDay (talk) 13:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hissssssssssssssss!!!!!!Miow!!!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

British or American English
Jeanne, I noticed that someone changed British English to American English in Charles VII of France, I was wondering if there was an agreement as to which to use in articles on kings of England & related French ones, such as this one on Charles VII. Should not we put a preference at the article talk page? It would sound strange to me to have the article on Henry VIII of England in American English. Aurevoir! Frania W. (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Quebec English would be universal? LutetiaPetuaria | Rev Roy Sta of Eng imp St Geo.gif 02:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer British English for all articles pertaining to people, places, and events outside the continent of North America.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't account for the Philippines and Liberia. LutetiaPetuaria | Rev Roy Sta of Eng imp St Geo.gif 05:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would use British English for both places as well.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL. I'm sure that since the vulgar English made an unpleasant beginning, that they would not like an even more formal usage known, since they prefer pidgins and creoles.  Of course, American this and that is never worthy in its own right.  Why would the British ways be much better?  Consider how the two countries' constitutions are: Cromwellian US vs Orangist UK.  The establishments and systemic problems of both countries owe a great deal to their mid- to late-17th century foundations.  LutetiaPetuaria | Rev Roy Sta of Eng imp St Geo.gif 06:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I adore Catterick's way of arguing, always two sides, then each side multiplied by two! Cat, I have the feeling you love arguing.  Please, tell us, when you shut off your computer, do you stand in front of a mirror & argue with yourself ?  Frania W. (talk) 21:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. I opt for English/English.  FW
 * If you're a real Frenchwoman, then you may be a bonnie belle. Your name connotates Madame Curie and Poles aren't my thing, although I realise that Henri III was Roi de Pologne.  Sorry to burst your bubble.  LutetiaPetuaria | Rev Roy Sta of Eng imp St Geo.gif 23:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Catterick, a real Frenchwoman from Lutèce. The Polish name is a long story.  What do you have against the Poles, and Maria Skłodowska in particular?  Qu'est ce que c'est "bonnie belle"? it sounds Canadian or something from Louisiana to me, but not from France.   Bonne journée à vous.  Frania W. (talk) 13:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well Frania, my opinion is that French women are more attractive than Poles. How about that film of Jeanne d'Arc with Leelee Sobieski?  (Think of the other film in 1999, with Milla Jovovich.  Plombier polonais, lol?)  They could have chosen a more beautiful French damsel.  Maria Skłodowska was simply a Pole assuming French identity, which I merely guessed was your situation here on Wikipedia.  As to my use of "bonnie belle", it is merely English slang use of French words, which we have been doing for as long as I can ascertain.  LutetiaPetuaria | Rev Roy Sta of Eng imp St Geo.gif 21:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)




 * Right, the Sovietisation of lads mags. Do none of our own women seem appealing to the medias?  LutetiaPetuaria | Rev Roy Sta of Eng imp St Geo.gif 08:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems more natural to me to use British English for all articles pertaining to monarrchy, monarchs, and their family. Surtsicna (talk) 21:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. I only use American English for American-related articles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Dzień dobry : Another *ugly* Pole:
 * http://artduservice.blogspot.com/2005/06/le-plombier-polonais-saffiche-en.html
 * Frania W. (talk) 12:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Verrry niiiice.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

A regular Fabio? LOL LutetiaPetuaria |  11:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Catterick, neither one can hold a candle to cockney lad Steve Marriott. He's all too beautiul......--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Another beautiful Polonaise !
 * http://www.omifacsimiles.com/brochures/chop_pol61.html
 * Frania W. (talk) 02:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Mabel of Gloucester
I have made the start of it for you Jeanne, I haven't created an article for her yet though. I was thinking that you could add to it

Mabel of Gloucester (died 1156) was a daughter of Robert Fitzhamon and his first wife Sibyl de Montgomery.

Marriage
Mabel married in 1114 to Robert, 1st Earl of Gloucester, he was an illegitimate son of Henry I of England and so was half-brother of Empress Matilda. The couple had six children:
 * 1) William Fitz Robert, 2nd Earl of Gloucester, died 1183. He married Hawise (died 1197) daughter of Robert II, Earl of Leicester.
 * 2) Roger, Bishop of Worcester, (died 9 August 1179, Tours).
 * 3) Hamon, killed at the siege of Toulouse in 1159.
 * 4) Robert. (died before 1157) Also called Robert of Ilchester in documents. He married Hawise, (died after 1210) daughter of Baldwin de Redvers and Adeliz. Their daughter Mabel married Jordan de Cambernon.
 * 5) Maud, (died 29 July 1190), wife of Ranulph de Gernon, 2nd Earl of Chester, by whom she had issue.
 * 6) Philip, Castellan of Cricklade, (died after 1147). He took part in the Second Crusade.

Even though these people are of my native country, I don't know anything of them. I am much used to creating articles on royals. --Daaviiid (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all your help, it is greatly appreciated.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll create the article on Mabel FitzHamon sometime next week as I'm a bit tired. On 3 June, I created 3 articles, worked on the last one all of yesterday morning, and this morning I expanded another. My eyes and neck need some rest! LOL.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

"Henry II" of France
I've added references which clearly indicated just exactly WHO recognized Henry VI of England as Henri II of France. As usual, "Henry V" has taken only a small part of what a book says and ignored the rest. Please let me know what you think of the changes. Thanks! --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks good, Kansas Bear. I have repeatedly pointed out to Henry V that history only recognises one Henri II of France. The article cannot name Henry VI as Henri II. It's OR on Henry V's part to do so.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I havnt ignored what you said.I agreed with your changes.I just added those under Anglo-Burgundian rule.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 22:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Kansas Bear I have no clue where you got your statement of me disagreeing with you from but you are clearly wrong."As usual".

--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 22:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Kansas Bear I agree on your statement that the burgundians ignored the corination for the arguenments I was with on your talk page.If you happend to remember one of my statements is that all the glourisnes of the corination came to Naught in practical terms and its effect greately weakend to the fact that 6 days before the corination Philip III agreed to a general truce with Charles(and this was done outside the resolving of the three so it is illegal).I never said that the corination came to abunbence as you always go Ignore my statements and come back days later with you repeating what I said.It is like English is not your Language.Please get this in your head.I always have agreed with you.I really dont think you have any knowledge at the hundred years war as I come with clear facts that as I said earlier come to Ignore and amazingly as I also just said repeat my argues on your own behalf when I wasnt even contridicting what you are saying and I would call them statements rather then argues since there is nothing to argue about besides the legality of the treaty which you appear to post nonscence on other peoples talkpages.As for your recent edit with the explanation it was purely an English affaur which I agree on,it dosent answer the fundamentel question on recognition.This is what you must get into your brain.Did Philip III recognize Henry as king of France from 1422-1435.Answer yes and this is fact.The point is not on wether Philip III ignored the corination as Philip still recognized if not vaguely Henry as king of France and plus he was in least if we say a staunch ally during Henrys nominal protecterate from 1422-1429.Besides your nonscence comes to Naught.It is a lead nothing more.Apparently you cant get the jist of that and happen to think all the information has to all appear in that lead.It a very brief description of the FACTS not works of your imagination and Philip recognized Henry as knig of France until 1435.I also gave you more vivid accounts at Burgundian strain of relations as early as 1424 if you happen to recape or the question is if you can remeberP.S I read your refs about the Hundred years war by Robin Neilands.Your ref concerning the corination Quotes that Burgundy and France basicly ignored the corination.What does this have anything to do with recognition as King of France.You Kansas Bear are the most perfect person to decieve people.Here is refs concerning in a more vivid account the corination and its aftermath.

1.Read from page pp206-pp217. http://books.google.ie/books?id=_Cc9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA231&dq=Henry+VI+french+coronation:Music+of+Paris&lr=#PPA206,M1

This book basicly refutes your refs statement about it lacking setting.Quote on Qoute. --HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 01:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Henry, Kansas Bear is only trying to help the article meet Wikipedia standards. Your blatantly antagonistic remarks are not beneficial to the article nor the encyclopedia. Please stop being obtuse and read what he is saying. Kansas Bear is providing good, sourced neutral information to improve the article, and I staunchly support his additions.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Away from Wikipedia today because of D-Day - the most glorious day the French (in particular) should never forget. Taps... Frania Frania W. (talk) 11:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I married my first husband on 6 June (the 40th anniversary of D-Day), and my second husband on 20 April (Hitler's birthday). Isn't that a strange coincidence?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Kansas Bear I agree on your statement that the burgundians ignored the corination for the arguenments I was with on your talk page.If you happend to remember one of my statements is that all the glourisnes of the corination came to Naught in practical terms and its effect greately weakend to the fact that 6 days before the corination Philip III agreed to a general truce with Charles(and this was done outside the resolving of the three so it is illegal).I never said that the corination came to abunbence as you always go Ignore my statements and come back days later with you repeating what I said.It is like English is not your Language.Please get this in your head.I always have agreed with you.I really dont think you have any knowledge at the hundred years war as I come with clear facts that as I said earlier come to Ignore and amazingly as I also just said repeat my argues on your own behalf when I wasnt even contridicting what you are saying and I would call them statements rather then argues since there is nothing to argue about besides the legality of the treaty which you appear to post nonscence on other peoples talkpages.As for your recent edit with the explanation it was purely an English affaur which I agree on,it dosent answer the fundamentel question on recognition.This is what you must get into your brain.Did Philip III recognize Henry as king of France from 1422-1435.Answer yes and this is fact.The point is not on wether Philip III ignored the corination as Philip still recognized if not vaguely Henry as king of France and plus he was in least if we say a staunch ally during Henrys nominal protecterate from 1422-1429.Besides your nonscence comes to Naught.It is a lead nothing more.Apparently you cant get the jist of that and happen to think all the information has to all appear in that lead.It a very brief description of the FACTS not works of your imagination and Philip recognized Henry as knig of France until 1435.I also gave you more vivid accounts at Burgundian strain of relations as early as 1424 if you happen to recape or the question is if you can remeberP.S I read your refs about the Hundred years war by Robin Neilands.Your ref concerning the corination Quotes that Burgundy and France basicly ignored the corination.What does this have anything to do with recognition as King of France.You Kansas Bear are the most perfect person to decieve people.Here is refs concerning in a more vivid account the corination and its aftermath.

1.Read from page pp206-pp217. http://books.google.ie/books?id=_Cc9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA231&dq=Henry+VI+french+coronation:Music+of+Paris&lr=#PPA206,M1


 * I agree that the burundians choose to ignore the corination but that dosent answer the question if Burgundy withdrew from recognition and he still held Henry even at a low esteem as king of france until 1435 although morale was high during Henrys nominal protecterate.I saw the refs from the author I previously mentioned and on the aspect of the corination it says Burgundy ignored the corination or gave no notice to it but does that mean it wasnt a corination or that Philip III never recognized Henry as king?No so Burgundians must be added and anyway when was that book published.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 13:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Other Time periods
Hello Jeanne what other time periods are you intrested in.I have a wide historical knowledge but I never get to disscuss it and I am getting realy,really,really,really bored at discusing the Hundred years war right now and its that serious.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 20:18, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

French Americans
You can't say "look at their articles." The articles for many of those entries say nothing except "are of some French heritage." You need to source all these people as "French Americans" in order to make them representative of the sub-ethnicity. Bull dog123 20:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

editing disruption
You may want to look at Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents and other edits of the same kind across many such articles. Hmains (talk) 20:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I reverted him (again) this morning after he'd (again) removed most of the images on the French-Americans article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * A) Jim Carrey is Canadian
 * B) Angelina Jolie is at most a 3rd generation French American, and NOTHING exists that calls her a "French American"
 * C) Anthony Bourdain is French through a single paternal grandfather. No sources call him "French American."

What more do you need? Find appropriate people, there are thousands. There's no point of arguing over these stupid images. Bull dog123 23:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Margaret of Bar
Hi Jeanne, today I created an article on Margaret of Bar. She was grandmother of Philippa of Hainault. She was married to Henry V of Luxembourg. What do you think? Also, I see you and HENRY V are arguing on weather Henry VI was ever king of France. I believe he never was because he was only of a small blood relation (being a descendant of Isabella of France) and Charles VI? did wish to leave the throne to Henry V but after his death, Charles VII? had every wright to claim it (being his son). Henry VI was never king of France and Margaret of Anjou was never queen.--David 22:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Another good article, David.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello David.We are not argueing on wether Henry VI was king of France since historions recognize him as king of france.He concilidated a dual-monarchy by virtue of the treaty of troyes.Sorry I cant give you all the dtails now,I might tommorow.Ill you refs so you can pick up the idea.First,Charles was renderd incapable of succestion because of lese-Majesty(injury to the soveriegn) and this was confirmed by a lit-de-justice in 1421 in which all his formal titles and possetions were legally withdrew from him although the actual case of Charles VII wasnt mentioned in the treaty explicity to give a legal dissinheritence it was done outside the treaty(i,e as I just mentioned the lit-de-justice)Sorry David but Henry V claim through Edward III wasnt mentioned in the treaty of troyes that was so upheld by English Lawyers for a century now since Edward III claimed his throne of france in 1337 and so Henry inherited through obligations or clauses.The treaty had 2 sphers to deal with the fundemental law of succestion by salic law and Charles VII but we just dealt with Charles VII legal dissinheritence outside the treaty.OK the fundemental law of succection part.Salic Law states as you know no women can succeded to the throne or through a women.Now this is the good bit.Henry V was not just the son in law to Harry,He was adopted to(as) the adopted Charles VI.Henry as adopted son and so legitimised son of Charles VI would take Charles and Isebaue as Father and mother as mentioned in one of the clauses.Henry now apearing as the "son" of Charles VI adopted the title "Heir of France" and to clarify on this,Henry could have only tooken the title Heir if he was a son of Charles VI and so he(Henry) adopted the title.Now there was a feasible legal escuse so there was no contrevention of Salic Law.There was still more problems because acording to Legal juriscist theroy the treaty must be ratified by the two realms and was done in both Paris and London.To add to the legal binding force off the treaty various lords and nobels including Philip III duke of Burgundy and the Count of Foix gave there solemn pledge to the treaty.As for your statement concerning blood I then will reply with the ref book called the contendig kingdoms of England and France.It talks about a double-inheritence through both his father and mother(Catherine) as a descent of Saint Louis.

Here are the refs:


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=keUoHXulnewC&pg=PA128&dq=Henry+VI+of+England+crowned+king+of+France#PPA128,M1


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=G5yuNbIuPKwC&pg=PA95&dq=Henry+V+adopted+son+of+Charles+VI&as_brr=3


 * http://books.google.com/books?id=Qv9PlGCLy4YC&pg=PA235&dq=the+legality+of+the+treaty+of+troyes


 * Here is a book confirming Henry VI dual blood from valois and Lancaster:Read.:

http://books.google.com/books?id=gFfaD4JdZhwC&pg=PA45&dq=Henry+VI+dual-monarchy

http://books.google.com/books?id=7SL1bVtfP08C&pg=PA93&dq=Henry+VI+dual-monarchy

http://books.google.com/books?id=_JDOVMDi8d4C&pg=PA601&dq=Henry+VI+dual-monarchy&lr=

http://books.google.com/books?id=Qzc8OeuSXFMC&pg=PA464&dq=Henry+VI+dual-monarchy&lr=

main book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=kFSqKelemSMC&pg=PP1&dq=contending+kingdoms+of+England+and+France&lr=#PPA23,M1


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=s8H9TEtITPcC&pg=PA147&dq=Henry+VI+became+king+of+France


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=LY0OAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA81&dq=Henry+VI+became+king+of+France


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=Qzc8OeuSXFMC&pg=PA464&dq=Henry+VI+and+dual-monarchy+of+England+and+France&lr=


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=7SL1bVtfP08C&pg=PA93&dq=Henry+VI+and+dual-monarchy+of+England+and+France&lr=&as_brr=3#PPA93,M1


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=Sctuzn19w5EC&pg=PA85&dq=Henry+VI+and+dual-monarchy+of+England+and+France&lr=&as_brr=3

Hope this helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk • contribs) 00:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello David Thanks for your reply and you are most welcome.If you want to enter in these conversations go ahead.Like all Humans we learn from others so nobody is going to hastle you for getting something wrong.When you feel you know a good bit and are confident post your POV and argues and everybody will treat it with respect.There also French arguements aswell concerning the treaty of troyes because they thought it was illegal because Charles VI treated the kingdom as private land but was royal property passed on by legitimate succestion.Charles VII disinheritence was legal but the next legitimate ruler in the line was the duke of Orleons and so on.The treaty of troyes had in effect ended salic law to all the further claimints so the English would have needed a predescent in which it is understanble and the peasent most off all could uinderstand and defend.The English predescent used an example of the first monarchy by Rome.In Rome the republic was transferd to the roman emperors by the people and soveriegn(singuler or collective).Armed with this awsome predescent the English needed ratification in order to change the fundemental law of succestion to a different line.I still though wouldnt declare the entire treaty legal but it is understandable on that predescent.Concerning Salic Law now.Salic Law originated from germany on the floods of Sallbe and so wasnt a french law but a german law and so this was upheld by English Lawyers for a century since Edward III declared himeself king of France in Ghent(Belgium).In 1317 there was a council held in France in order to ensure the succestion if the Capetian dynasty was ever to be wiped out.One of the capetian kings was suprised at the wealth of the kinghts templer so he accused them of heresy.Thousands of Knoghts whom were members were killed all over France and there was a majour one in Paris where a Knight Templer cursed the Capetian King and all his descendents through his line.One by One each of the remaining capetian Kings died subsequently after the other.In 1328 salic law was given a false predescent and an extrainterption.Salic Law which was later discoverd in the 16th century by a french monk had in fact nothing to do with succestion of thrones.Believe it or not,this was the fact.When it was made during Charmaglens reign it was only to do with succestion of private land or the private norm,not with thronws.In 1317 the french interpted salic law as no wommen can succeded(nothing about through women).In 1328 they added through women.Therefore Philip IV basicly succeded through acceptence of the land and his legitimacy was utterly quistionable and controverstial.To be authentic however the English lawyers only debated that the law lied in Germany not the salic law which was far later rediscoverd.Lets just look however why the french didnt want an English king.The reason was because England was only emerging and seen by the frech and the richer countries of Europe as a Barberious,Rebilious backwash.No way were the french going to accept an English King,not Edward III.Historions however have always debated the seriousness of Edwards claim.Meaning did he actually think he wanted to concilidate France or using his legitimite claim as a pretext to gain more land.The latter was most notable as he took an extended Aquataine at the treaty of Breitigny 1360.It wasnt really that much in the eyes of frenchmen but it did severly attack french honour since there french king John II was captured by the black prince of Wales at Poitiers in 1357 and ransomed at the same treaty for up to 4 times Frances annual gross.I got this caculation from an article on wikipedia which I know unfortunitly fail to remember.Goodbye David and thanks again for your reply.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Greetings from Campora San Giovanni
Carissima Jeanne, ti scrivo in italiano anche perché ho quasi del tutto dimenticato l'inglese scritto. Ti scrivo data la tua passione per la storia e l'Italia se cortesemente potresti aggiornare l'articolo del mio villaggio natale, anche perché io momentanemaente sono impegnato nella stesura delle magnifiche fotografie che potrai ammirare in italiano e spagnolo.....diciamo che lo spagnolo ha superato l'inglese come mio scritto in quanto mi sono ♥♥ in Venezuela e del Venezuela ♥♥ tramite facebook.....eh sì....facebook combina anche questo ^___^. Oltre a questo mi sto per iscrivere a Filosofia all'Università e quindi diciamo il tempo stringe. Rimbierò la cortesia se avrai bisogno di traduzioni in italiano, o di correzioni. e se posso darti aiuto con qualche dialetto italiano presente sulla Wikipedia. per il momento ti ringrazio....your Luigi--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 07:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Salve, Luigi. Ho fatto qualche piccola modifica al tuo articolo. Lei scrivere bene in Inglese, suo articolo era buono. Auguri.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Grazie di ♥♥♥, benissimo se cortesemente potresti aggiornarla con le informazioni storiche e materiale dall'italiano, poi provvediamo a regolarci per le traduzioni come promesso sopra..intanto ecco un assegno di anticipo del debito, enjoy!--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 06:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Other Time periods
Hello Jeanne what other time periods are you intrested in.I have a wide historical knowledge but I never get to disscuss it and I am getting realy,really,really,really bored at discusing the Hundred years war right now and its that serious.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 20:18, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bring it up again Jeanne but you didnt answer me before.Goodbye.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

David I want your post aswell.Join in.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I really like the entire medieval period. I also like the Viking era. I have an especial interest in The Wars of the Roses. As you can tell by my user name, I am fascinated by Tudor England, especially during the reign of Henry VIII and his courtship of Anne Boleyn. Milan under the Visconti and Sforza families interests me as does Scotland during the reign of Mary, Queen of Scots; 16th and 17th century France; Restoration England; Napoleonic France; the French exploration and settlement of North America; French New Orleans; the American west; the Russian court of Tsar Nicholas II; both World Wars; the JFK assassination; Vietnam War; the Irish troubles. As you can see, I am interested in a wide range of historical periods and events. I confess that ancient history (Egyptian, Greek, and Roman) holds just a slight appeal for me. I prefer the Viking period and anything after that era.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Welcome to my club, Henry and David. You are both my first patrons.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Henry, I was wondering if you knew much about pre-Habsburg Bohemia? In particular a dispute over the crown between Henry of Carinthia and John of Bohemia. The pair were married to daughters of Wenceslaus II, Anna and Elisabeth. Due the dispute over the crown, Anna and Elisabeth fell-out. In the end John did win but I believe he had no wright to claim the throne. Anna (who was married to Henry) was elder than Elisabeth (wife of John). Women weren't aloud to inherit Bohemia and John and Henry only became King through there wives and with Elisabeth being younger than Anna and Anna still alive at the time, I was wondering if Henry was still the rightful king of Bohemia after Anna's death. The sad part was when Anna and Henry went to live in exile, Elisabeth and Anna weren't talking to eachother still and when Anna died only aged 22 in 1313, Anna and Elisabeth had not seen eachother in years and hadn't communicated.

Jeanne, I remember you said you didn't know much about them, don't feel as if I'm ignoring you and I have just created an article on Isabelle of Luxembourg, it was rather hard to create one on her because of the lack of information. It has taken me a few weeks to get prepeared to create it. Cheers --Daaviiid 17:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello David,Sorry for replying late I am just trying to understand the problem between the two.You gave the main point that women wernt allowed to succede so that was agnaistic prigminatioure(did it say anything about claims through women?)Didnt Wenceslaus II also have a son with the same name but was assasinated leaving no male heir(Wenceslaus III).The dispute was in 1306.In this category it says Henry of Bohemia was a pretender Bohemia.It clearly says in John the Blinds article he deposed Henry of Cartia or Bohemia and Henry already had de facto power over all Bohemia when he was "ELECTED" in 1306.Anna as you said was older and Henry claimed jure exurios(by right of the wife) as king of Bohemia.Like Edward IV of England John with the aid of his father Henry VII of Holy Roman Emperor and the bohemian aristocracy took the role of usurpers not the legitimate rulers.Remove Henry of Bohemia from the list of Pretenders.Again if the male-line was knocked out by Wenceslaus asaaination they have the right to elect the closest line.(Anna as queen not the sibling Elisabeth.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 22:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

http://books.google.ie/books?id=PW_Oo2PQwocC&pg=PA30&dq=Henry+of+Bohemia+1307-1310&as_brr=3#PPA30,M1

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/438151

There is unfortunitly a huge lack of information on him,even in the google book search.

Well Jeanne.As usual thankyou for your welcoming reply.Are the House of Tudor legitimate or Illegitimate.Last time concerning the case you said they were descents of John of Gaunts third wife Katherine Swynford and there childred were declared bastards for there lifetime but were later legitimised on the condition they were extemted from succeding to the throne.All the european monarchys recognized the tudors as usurpers for that reason.Constance of Castile was married to John of Gaunt whom was son of Pedro I king of Castile.Gaunts son later married John the bastard king of Castile's son and so ensued both lancastrian and castilian legitimacy there through that line.Henry VII was known as a false king internationaly to soveriegns so ensued his sons legitimacy by marrying HIS son Arthur prince of Wales to Katherine of Aragon whom was from the true descent of lancaster and his sons thus could be recognized internationaly as legitimate through this marriage.Katherine was aunt to Charles V/Carlos I and when katherine was married in 1501 to Arthur he could the sweating sickness and died.Skiping A bit of information Katherine later married Henry duke of York(Henry VIII) in 1509 at Westminister and so became queen of England from 1509-1533/1536.When Henry VIII divorced her in 1533 didnt he make himeself illigitimate to the throne because of the predescent mentioned earlier.Out of Katherines 6 pregnencys she gave birth to Mary.Since Marry also had no heirs wouldnt that make Elizibeth also illegitimate including Edward VI son of Jane Seymour for the same reason they had no predescent to offer.Thanks Jeanne.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 23:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Henry VII, the first Tudor king derived his claim to the throne from his mother Margaret Beaufort, who was a descendant of the eldest Beaufort son John of Gaunt had by his then mistress, Katherine Swynford née de Roet. When John and Katherine married, King Richard II legitimised their four children, known already as the Beaufort bastards, but with the stipulation that neither they nor their descendants would be in the line of succession to the throne. When Richard III was killed at Bosworth, Henry Tudor had no legal claim to the English crown, hence he was a usurper. Howver, history vindicated his usurpation. I cannot picture John de la Pole, Earl of Lincoln (Richard's appointed heir) cutting the same dramatic figure as Henry VIII!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Bohemia
Thank you, Henry and Jeanne. Henry, thank you for giving me the links for those books of Henry of Bohemia. Anna and Elisabeth did have their own claims on Bohemia, they didn't need their husbands to the crown. There was never a law made to stop women from inheriting the crown like in France. Wenceslaus III aged only sixteen or seventeen and hadn't been married to his wife, Viola Elisabeth for long. There were two more sisters of Anna and Elisabeth. Margaret and Agnes. Agnes' husband, Henry I of Jawor married her for the possibilty of the crown. Margaret's husband was Bolesław III the Generous, he also fought his claim on the crown. In other words there was four sisters and the husbands all fighting for the crown.

Oh, and thank you Jeanne for letting me into your club! Thanks to you both :)--Daaviiid 15:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome, Daaviiid. You too, Henry! You would both enjoy the club's basement as it's fixed up like a medieval dungeon.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Another great article Jeanne, well done! Have you looked at mine on Isabelle of Luxembourg? Cheers--Daaviiid 16:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a very good article. It gives a lot of information. Keep up the good work, Daaviiid!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Jeanne and Daviid--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 17:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Henry, What do you think of my explanation?--David 20:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Really good.well done.You teatched me something too.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 21:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * John the Blind should definitely be mentined as usurper.It clearly says in the book I mentioned that he deposed Henry without any legal right.Henry IV of England tried to institute salic law in England to prevent the Mortimers from inheriting and remain on the throne.--[[User:HENRY V OF

ENGLAND|HENRY V OF ENGLAND]] (talk) 21:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I just edited it. John the Blind.


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=mvuvF0iEjL4C&pg=PA411&dq=John+of+Bohemia&as_brr=3#PPA411,M1


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=fvQDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA87&dq=John+of+Bohemia&as_brr=3#PPA87,M1

Good book.


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=y6OSDKH7U2MC&pg=PA2&dq=John+of+Bohemia+1306&as_brr=3


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=1j6_VyR6NBoC&pg=PA8&dq=John+of+Bohemia+1306&as_brr=3


 * http://books.google.ie/books?id=tz12J0Eb9eUC&pg=RA1-PA327&dq=John+of+Bohemia+1306&as_brr=3

Just a bit more information on John the Blind.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 21:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Henry for providing me with these sources. I was wondering, there was no books on Anna or a mention of her in Henry's, I understand Elisabeth is often mentioned in John's books, being his first wife.--David 17:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Richard IV
I'll be back in about a few hours. Notice, I've expanded my time on Wikipedia (though it's broken extra time). GoodDay (talk) 16:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Finally, you've visited our club. What do you think of it?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone like Isabella of France would be a good mascot, Jeanne. I don't see why king John, I watched a programme on the british version of the history channel and John was said to be the worst King in british history! Beating Richard III. I think the programme was either Monarchy or inside the medieval mind.--David 17:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My favourite English kings are Richard III, John and Stephen. My favourite queens consort are Anne Boleyn, Margaret of Anjou, Isabella of Angouleme, and Eleanor of Provence.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't care much for Isabella of France, my sympathies are with Joan de Geneville. Isabella played a large part in starting the Hundred Years War, by incriminating her sisters-in-law.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Anne Boleyn was a good queen. But I could never forgive her for what she did to Catherine of Aragon. What do you think of Catherine's mother, Isabella I of Castile, Isabella I of Jerusalam was a good queen too--David 18:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Queen Isabella of Spain, while very admirable, was very stern and just not glamorous enough for my taste, ditto for Catherine of Aragon. I'll have to refresh my memory on Isabella of Jerusalem.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I just read her article. I like her. She'd make a good subject for a historical romance.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

When you said that Isabella of France incriminated her sister in laws, were you refering to Margaret and Blanche of Burgundy? If so, I have a bit of a mystery to solve Blanche's daughter, Jeanne of France. --David 18:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am referring to them. Did you ever see the series about the Nesle Tower scandal with Jeanne Moreau as Mahaut of Artois? It was called The Curse of the Templars--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Jeanne, I haven't seen the programme in question. I was wondering if you were interested in the mystery of Blanche's daughter and another noblewomen?--David 18:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am interested. I love that time period.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe Elizabeth Woodville was a descendant of Queen Isabella I of Jerusalem through the Brienne family.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Braveheart was a cool movie, despite all the historical inaccuracies. GoodDay (talk) 20:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * They could have at least had a bridge for the battle at Stirling!! --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. GoodDay (talk) 20:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And shown Isabella as a child still in France. Edward's second wife was her aunt Marguerite, they should have shown her in the film, as well as Edward's other children. In the film it appears as if he just had the one child (Edward II). Another thing, Edward II didn't marry Isabella until after old Edward's death!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, Edward I died 2 years after the execution of William Wallace. Plus, it's impossible for Wallace to have been Edward III's father, as Eddie-3 was born 7-years after Wallace's execution. GoodDay (talk) 14:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

__Most Hollywood writers are so ignorant about history they believe Robin Hood spoke like Kevin Costner.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It's the same with Elizabeth: The Golden Age. They made out that Sir Walter Rally was the big hero and the romantic, handsome charactor, by it was Sir Francis Drake at the end of the day who won it.--David (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And on the Tudors series, why does Henry VIII have black hair? GoodDay (talk) 16:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cause the people who made it didn't do their research.I wonder if they even bothered with a technical adviser!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Why did Henry's illegitimate son die at a very young age? When that happened I knew they weren't going according to documented history. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Henry's illegit son died at about the age of 17. GoodDay (talk) 16:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The whole scenario was wrong. It was like an historical soap opera. Poor casting, inaccurate scenery and events, everything was wrong, apart from the costumes.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

That 1966 movie Man for all seasons, was neat. GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I liked that as well. Same with Anne of the Thousand Days.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if Anne 'actually' uttered the words to Henry VIII. If she did, she was accurate, about Elizabeth becoming a greater ruler, then any son of Henry's. GoodDay (talk) 17:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Poor Edward VI. I imagine he was poisoned to death by John Dudley.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's possible, though Tudor males tended to have weak health. There's Henry VIII's brothers (Arthur & Edmund) & his sons (legit & illegit). GoodDay (talk) 18:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Or else a curse placed on them by Richard III.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's strange. Henry VII's daughters & Henry VIII's daughters, lived well into adulthood. GoodDay (talk) 19:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Elizabeth I reached the age of 69. Mary I was very unhealthy throughout her life, and she had all of those false pregnancies. Elizabeth suffered from severe headaches all her life, yet she was strong enough to survive a case of smallpox, and without being marked. Henry's youngest sister, Mary, the Duchess of Suffolk died in her 30's, probably of cancer.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Mystery
Sorry for the late reply Jeanne, I had to go out last night and when I got back the internet went down! It's alright now though. The mysteries I was on about aren't the most interesting ones. Blanche of Burgundy's daughter, Jeanne of France had always been listed as died in childhood. But the issue list on Charles IV of France was changed. The new date of death for Jeanne suggests that she lived into adulthood. If she lived and had got married and had issue, there could be Capet descentdents around today.

The other mystery was, about a woman apparently called Louisa of Burgundy. Her father was Philip the Good. Before the article was created there wasn't even a name mentioned of a daughter by his third marriage to Isabel of Portugal (Louisa's supposed mother). Philip did have a daughter by his first marriage to Michelle of Valois (aunt to Henry VI of England) but the daughter, Agnes died young. Louisa apparently had a daughter, Catherine D'Mailly who was a mistress of Louis XI of France. She is also stated as Louis' spouse on his article, but I thought hehad left his second wife Charlotte of Savoy as a widow? The only website to list Louisa and Catherine is this one:


 * 

I don't believe this website is accurate because when I created an article on Agnes of Beaujeu, this website was the only one to state that she had two daughter rather than one. On certain other nobility, this website gives the wrong name of the parent or put the right name and then the name of someone else who I don't think anyone believes to be the parent. I was wondering if Jeanne, Henry and GoodDay could provide me with some answers. Thanks to you all--David 15:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * According to this site and this site, Jeanne died young and had no issue. Which is corraborated by this book. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks as if Jeanne did die young, and childless.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Last time I checked Jeanne, Juana la loca was on youtube.--David (talk) 17:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It appears Louisa and Catherine have been deleted. --David (talk) 15:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I have been reading your user page Jeanne. You are really luckey to have noble ancestors who have their own articles! My ancestors are not that good really (as far as I know) but my family and I believe we have bohemian blood in us. I hope I'm a descendent of Elisabeth I of Bohemia! --David (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Only a small fraction of my ancestors had noble blood. It comes from my mother's family. And it's very far back--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a good friend who is Bohemian-from Prague, in point of fact.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Have you heard from Henry recently, he never did reply to my message on the dispute over the Bohemian crown. --David (talk) 16:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I have not heard from him in a few days.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I still wish HENRY & Catterick would meet. GoodDay (talk) 16:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That is the purpose of WikiBlitz, to attract all of the interesting editors at Wikipedia under my roof.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have made Anne Boleyn the mascot of WikiBlitz. Hope you don't mind, GoodDay. If you want a second mascot, go ahead and add one.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Anne Boleyn? no prob. I won't loose my head over it. GoodDay (talk) 17:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Louisa of Burgundy must have been fake. I hate it when people just make up an article on someone who just doesn't exist. Has anyone watched the latest series of the tudors? It isn't on tv in the UK until August but I found a website with the episodes on. --David (talk) 16:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The romantic Isabella of Jerusalam would be a good second mascot!--David (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A pity there isn't an image of her.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I know, the same with Anna I of Bohemia, I wish there was an image of her. There is a famous taberstry for Isabella's family I think or a series of images like the corinations and marriages for members of her family, but there doesn't appear to be one. If there was one it wouldn't be very accurate. I will do a google image search incase. I recently found an image of Bonne of Bohemia--David (talk) 17:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello Jeanne.He cant be numberd because if Henri II of France recognized Henry VI as legitimite king of France then he is ivocking everybody along his line has no right to the throne making Charles VII a usurper so he can only be styled by the patronage which is legitimite.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Template: English and British monarchs
I can't believe the inaccuracies that's being pushed, with that Template. GoodDay (talk) 18:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As they say in the military:"If it ain't broke, don't fix it". It was good with the three separate templates, now only confusion reigns o'er all.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello Jeanne.I am ok I was just refuting Kansas Bear and beat him over a debate on recognition as King of France.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Whose recognition as a king of France? Or do I dare ask the question?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Kansas Bear.Kept using the term anhlophile against me but he clearly dosent know the only one definition which is an admirer of English people and culture.He didnt answer my 2 last posts.I used his own refs(which didnt even support him in the start) against him.Burgundy and Brittiny recognized Henry as King of France.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You are talking about Henry VI I presume. The Burgundians only recognised him when it was in their best interests to do so. Remember the Burgundians were rivals of the Armagnac/Orléans faction. Their hatred of Armagnac far outweighed their loyalty towards the English.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:05, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's in your best interest to continue to attack and insult Kansas Bear. We are all here to collaborate with one another even if/when others don't agree with our opinions or accept the validity of our sources. He has the right to challenge your sources; you must calmly back up your references without resorting to insults.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes.I agree,but the fact is Jeanne he dosent have sources that support his statement.He keeps deleting my document Historical facts backed with sources and gives the explanation RV.If he cant handle the fact thats his problem.I deleted my posts on his talkpage since they are pointless if I dont get a reply.To add he is mixing up my satements with a previous general disscution we had regarding the congrass of Arass A MONTH AGO where we previously both had sourcs and agreed with each other. very desciptive in my eyes.I am just staying away from him and I reverted his unsupported statement regarding The burgundians didnt recognize Henry as King of France on the dual monarchy article.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If you insist Jeanne here is the link
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kansas_Bear&oldid=296729752#Henry_VI

He dosent understand the meaning of Anglophile.He gave a last post completly mixing up everything.When I said reflect on the imaginitive I meant if the it came to relaity if the dual monarchy survived and I linked it regarding on one of griffith pages saying the Burgundians helping the English to secure conquests of France.He says its my inerperation of History.He didnt answer anything lol and clearly dosent understand the refs.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But it's understood that Henry VI is not recognised by historians or academics as a French monarch. Pretender is the most ambitious title we can bestow on him now in the 21st century, despite the 15th century English-Burgundian alliance.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello Jeanne.Historions do recognize Henry VI as king of France buT he is not feautured in the french regnal template because he is unnumberd.Goodbye--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But if he had been truly recognised by historians, he would have a number.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

He cant be mentioned in the regnal template becaues if Henri II of France sayed he was the legitimite King of France then he would invoke that everyone along his line have no right to the throne making Charles VII a usurper.Henry II of France can in no way style himeslf Henri III of France because that is evidence of having no right to the throne if Henry VI in 1453 had been forced off the land.You can only style the king if he was legitimate.It is impossible to have Henry VI as Henri II for this reason even though he was styled like that during his time.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Look: On 14 June 1940, when the Germans entered Paris, they had the French tricolor flags removed from all official buildings & from the top of the Tour Eiffel, replacing them with their own ugly thing.  They marched down the Champs Élysées while a huge flag w/swastika was hung in the arch of the Arc de Triomphe.  The fact that the nazi symbol flew over all official buildings of France for four years did not make that flag w/swastika French, it only meant that France was occupied by the Germans.  And now, if you go through the collection of flags of France from the very first one to the Republican tricolor, you will not find the flag w/swastika in the list.  Aurevoir !  Frania W. (talk) 23:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nor will you find Adolf Hitler listed as a former president of France. By your analogy, Henry, Hitler should be listed as a president of all the countries his armies occupied.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Henry succeded to the french throne by virtue of an international treaty,making him King of France.The Valois in the south saw it as occupation but yet the north incvocked them as rebels.Henry VI was adopted n the line of succestion by the right of the treaty of troyes.How is that occupation--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 11:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah! la logique des femmes ! Frania W. (talk) 12:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been married to one for 20yrs, I know better than to cross that! :-p --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Kansas Bear, better for you not "to cross that" because between Jeanne & myself here + la femme you have been married to for 20yrs at home, all your knowledge will never win over la logique des femmes! Vous avez toute ma sympathie...  Frania W. (talk) 21:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought there was a similar template to this for the house of plantagenet. It listed the monarch, their spouses, children and think it listed their relation to the previous monarch. --David (talk) 10:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Charlotte de Bourbon-La Marche
Ma chère Jeanne, I will take a look at it at some point today, or rather during my 3:00 a.m. break (!!!) Can this wait that long? À plus tard mon amie. Frania W. (talk) 12:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Found in text a mixture of British & American English: ***The marriage of Janus and Charlotte was described as a "cornerstone in the revitalization of French culture in the Lusignan court that characterised Janus's rule"***
 * Frania W. (talk) 13:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your help. Yes, I noticed the mixture of British and American English. I shall correct it to British.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * De rien, chère Jeanne. The only problem with the Vendome link is that it was missing the accent circonflexe on *ô* to read Vendôme.   À bientôt!  Frania W. (talk) 00:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Beatrice Regina della Scala
Hi Jeanne, I was looking through the Visconti family. I see that an article hasn't been created for Taddea's mother, Beatrice. Due to having many children and other wikipedia's having alot on her, I thought she should have an english page. I don't know much on the family and I knew you would enjoy creating such an article.

A sister to Taddea and daughter of Beatrice, Agnes married into the Gonzaga family. She was executed for having commited adultary. I was wondering if you knew much on her? Cheers--David (talk) 19:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I did the article on Beatrice Regina della Scala. How do you like it?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Daaviiid, I wikilinked Agnese, why not create an article on her? She sounds interesting.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Well done, Jeanne, I can always count on you to create a great article! I will create one on Agnes soon, but at the moment I am helping Elizabeth II's Little Spy created a list of duchesses of Bavaria. --David (talk) 15:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Many of Beatrice's children married Bavarians such as Taddea Visconti.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could help me finish the article, Jeanne. We need to do the earlier ones but I have awful trouble using a wikitable. I'll get you a list of Duchesses and useful dates if you wish--David (talk) 19:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I think I will created articles for many of Beatrice's kids, Agnese, Elisabetta and others, I've forgotten names lol--David (talk) 19:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I also have trouble using a Wikitable. I do have one suggestion though: I think you should list the consorts in chronological order, not by the alphabetical order of their particular house.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what we normally do anyway, otherwise it can be hard to understand. --David (talk) 15:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I've finished an article on Elisabetta Visconti, I have copied your idea of adding a picture of the parents. --David (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent article! Good work, David.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I have finished Agnese Visconti but I think more information could be added, do you know anymore, Jeanne. Thanks --David (talk) 18:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Cypriot queens
Hello! First, thanks for your kind remarks. :) You have likewise done a good job in these articles on these interesting, but rather obscure personalities. If I may suggest though, add the URLs of the websites you draw information from, so that the information can be verified. Best regards, Constantine  ✍  12:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I shall do that in future. I am fascinated by these rather unusual medieval women. Thanks again for your help and advice, Constantine.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Henriette Catherine of Nassau
Today I created an article on Henriette Catherine of Nassau, I had planned on creating it a while back but I had forgotten. Within the next few days, I'll create one on her younger sister, Maria, but I don't know too much on Maria, I was wondering if you knew anything Jeanne? I believe you made an article on their great grandmother, Charlotte. I will also make some more articles on the Visconti women. --David (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Memorial
That's a great pix of Jack and his son! Never saw this one. You never fail to surprise me with new unseen pixs!!! Tried to rtn ur call last sunday but you were out & mobile was off. Will try again tomorrow. --DASTEV (talk) 03:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It was taken in Vietnam in 1967.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 03:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

"Missed her by that much; Chief"
We just missed each other again, Jeanne. I'll be signing-in alot sooner over the next 2-days. Then it's back to 3:30 PM AST next Monday through Friday. GoodDay (talk) 20:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Peek-a-boo. GoodDay (talk) 13:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh you're an early bird today.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Cause it's the weekend. GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What weekend? I haven't enjoyed a proper weekend for almost 20 years.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Motherhood? GoodDay (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, more a case of a demanding husband than motherhood. Dismas, I despise matrimony. A horrible sexist invention.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're married? thus my heart breaketh. GoodDay (talk) 16:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, in the eyes of the law I am.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, Jeanne la spirituelle! (spirituelle = "witty" in French). Married or not married, that is the question!  By the way, if married in the *eyes of the law*, in the eyes of what would it be that you are not ?  FW.  Frania W. (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I mean that in my soul, I am free as a bird in flight, winging its eloquent dance into the infinite sky.......(And if not a bird, then at least a Concorde)--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Campora San Giovanni bis
Ciao potresti correggere i miei errori grammaticali ora? ho provato a fare del mio meglio...grazie in anticipo--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Devo uscire ora, domani faccio piu correzione. Comunque, un buon lavoro! Auguri!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Berengária of Portugal
I have just expanded Berengaria, Queen of Portugal. She only really had a stub and yet she lived such a noteable life. She was the second wife of Valdemar II of Denmark and wasn't really liked by the Danes. She was the complete oppasite of the King's first wife Margaret of Bohemia, who was blonde, pale eyed,kind and a good queen. Berengaria was quite the oppasite, Ravern hair, black eyes and she took a great part in polatics, having a great influence over her husband. The danes blamed her for high tax. She was mother to three kings. She reminds me of Isabella of France and is my idea of the evil medieval queen. --David (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oooooh, I just adore evil medieval queens. Have you read the article I recently created on this delightful, and thoroughly-wicked queen consort Helena Palaiologina?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 20:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just visited Berengaria's page. She doesn't sound evil to me. Haughty, yes, but evil as in Helena Palaiologina, Isabella of France, and Elizabeth Bathory, no. Even Margaret of Anjou, Isabella of Angouleme, Catherine de Medici, and Elizabeth Woodville were surely more evil than raven-tressed Berengaria.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 20:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That reminds me Jeanne, there is an italian woman, Margaret Paleologina who was married to Federico II, Duke of Mantua. She was an only child (I think) and her inheritance was something big that became part of inheritence of Mantua for years to come. I have created pages for her daughter in law, Eleonora of Austria and granddaughter in law, Eleonora de' Medici but with Margaret, I think more info will be needed. I was wondering if you knew anything about her? --David (talk) 09:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I checked Cawley's site but could not locate her, I'm afraid. Who was her father?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I have just discovered that she was born in 1510, the daughter of William IX of Montferrat and Anne of Alençon, herself a descendant of Kayhan Kuni, Khan of the Cumens. She married Federico Gonzaga in October 1531, and died in 1566. I hope this helps. Why not create an article on her, David. She sounds interesting.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I created an article on her daughter-in-law Henriette of Cleves a few months ago. I thought her name sounded familiar-I just couldn't place her at first.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Did you know ...
that there is a project on wikipedia that aims to provide editors with enough incentive to make their new articles respectable; and it is called Did you know. Fancy that. One of your newly created articles, Helena Palaiologina, satisfies the requirements to become a DYK article. If you follow the link to the wikiproject and follow the instructions on that page, a fact from your page, or hook as we call them, could feature on the main page. Anyway, hope this has shown you a new way that your edits can help wikipedia. Happy editing and don't be afraid to drop me a line, I don't bite! Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |Sign 22:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Go hereand follow the instructions on that page. A hook should be referenced in the article and must not be longer than an average sentence. Good luck! Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |Sign 17:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I stil cannot figure out where to put the template shown. It's all very confusing to me.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You almost got it right. You used the correct template, and filled it in correctly. However, you have to add the template under the heading which says the day the article was created. For example, your article was created on June 18, 2009, therefor it should of been put under that heading, not at the bottom of the page as you would on a normal discussion page. But don't worry I have moved it for you. I hope every thing is clear now, if you need more help just ask. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |Sign 11:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Gaia.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Almost every article on wikipedia can have an infobox, and in my opinion should have one. Infoboxes provide a summary of a page and present some of the most important information of that article in a very accessible way. You can find all the info boxes currently used here. As for the question whether nobility should have an infobox, they can. You could use the basic biography infobox (Template:Infobox Person) for nobility, unless the are royals, in which case you could use the monarch infobox (Template:Infobox Monarch) or royalty infobox (Template:Infobox Biography Royalty). Hope this helps! Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk |Sign 16:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added an infobox for Queen consort Charlotte de Bourbon-La Marche as well.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Treaty of Amiens(1423)
Hello Jeanne.I made the treaty yesterday.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a very good article, but you need to put a space at the end of each full stop, also it needs in-line citations.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK.Jeanne and thank you.Whats in line-ciatation??--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi guys, I've answered HENRY V OF ENGLAND's question on this talk page (to save you the trouble Jeanne). All the best, Daicaregos (talk) 17:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello Jeanne.The image perfectly suits the article.Your contributions are always excellent.Goodbye--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you like it. I saw it in one of my books and thought how well it would suit the article, so I scanned and uploaded it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not going to be able to create that page on Margert at the moment Jeanne, I'll create it on Thursday or Friday. We've more or less finished List of Bavarian consorts, just need to finish the intro. Hush Hush--David (talk) 18:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Poll on Ireland (xxx)
A poll is up at WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration/Poll on Ireland (xxx). This is a vote on what option or options could be added in the poll regarding the naming of the Ireland and Republic of Ireland and possibly the Ireland (disambiguation) pages. The order that the choices appear in the list has been generated randomly. Sanctions for canvassing, forum shopping, ballot stuffing, sock puppetry, meat puppetry will consist of a one-month ban, which will preclude the sanctioned from participating in the main poll which will take place after this one. Voting will end at 21:00 (UTC) of the evening of 1 July 2009 (that is 22:00 IST and BST). -- BigDunc  Talk 20:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Poll on Ireland (xxx)
A poll is up at WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration/Poll on Ireland (xxx). This is a vote on what option or options could be added in the poll regarding the naming of the Ireland and Republic of Ireland and possibly the Ireland (disambiguation) pages. The order that the choices appear in the list has been generated randomly. Sanctions for canvassing, forum shopping, ballot stuffing, sock puppetry, meat puppetry will consist of a one-month ban, which will preclude the sanctioned from participating in the main poll which will take place after this one. Voting will end at 21:00 (UTC) of the evening of 1 July 2009 (that is 22:00 IST and BST). -- Evertype·✆ 18:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Jeanne, don't know if you've been following this, but its the funniest thing I've seen on Wikipedia for ages. Bicker, bicker, bicker ... Enjoy! Daicaregos (talk) 21:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * After reading about 1/3 of the comments, I developed a severe headache. Sorry, but I have better things to do at Wikipedia than endlessly argue over a name. I have said before-several times, in point of fact-that I prefer the name Ireland to ROI, however, there is yet another poll; in three months time, there will be another poll, and another....onwards into infinity. I shall go back and read the rest of the comments, when I have added some more infoboxes to my articles (a time-consuming process, but alas, an essential adjunct to a biographical article). Cheers, Daicaregos, and thank you for your message. It is always a pleasure when you drop by at WikiBlitz.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually just to clarify this one-week poll precedes a three-week poll which will arrive at a solution that will be mandated for two years. It's the result of getting the Arbitration Committee involved. As you rightly point out, it has gone on and on for a long time. Vote or don't vote though, it's entirely up to you. Cheers, -- Evertype·✆ 07:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just added my vote. I don't wish to come across as a spoilsport! Cheers and thanks for your clarification.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

de Burgh
Good grief Jeanne, you'll be mentioning the unmentionable soon. I advise extreme caution on that one. Our lady has been known to consort with 'dark types' with 'lead pipes' in the furtherance of family honour. --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lead pipes?! Well, seeing as my alter-ego was dispatched by an expert swordsman from Calais, specially ordered by her loving husband, I believe I can handle Lady de Burgh's flunkies and their lead pipes. If her heavies get too rough, I'll just don my suit of armour, sword and mace, mount my destrier, and charge into the fray with a bloodcurdling: Montjoie! St. Denis! Tally Ho! Charles d'Albret
 * Ah - this one has spiwit! All the best. --Joopercoopers (talk) 13:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Merci, monsieur--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Margaret Palaeologina
Hi, Jeanne I have completed that article on Margaret, but it too a while to complete due to the amount of info I found, I didn't put too much of it in. I was wondering Jeanne if you knew much on Michelle of Valois? I have tried to expand her page but I cannot find much information about her. I added a paragraph about her siblings and I found out she had a shortlived daughter. I was wondering if you knew much more on her? Hush Hush (I'll sign off like this for a while because I love this song at the moment)--David (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a really well-written article on Margaret. I really don't know much on Michelle of Valois, apart from the fact that she was an elder sister of Catherine of Valois. I never knew she had a daughter. I had assumed that she was childless.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 03:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

No matter, today I've created an article on one of Michelle's in-laws Mary of Burgundy (1380–1422). I plan to create one on Mary maternal grandmother Margaret of Brabant, who was mother of Margaret III, Countess of Flanders. Cheers--David (talk) 13:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Al & Jesse
Have you noticed. Whenever an African-American celeberity passes, Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton jump in & claim to be the celebs close friend. They also tend to grab 'center stage' attention (Camera & Microphone). GoodDay (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I cannot recall who Al Sharpton is. I haven't lived in America since 1993.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

He tends to sound like he's got marbles in his mouth. Like Jesse, he's one of those dreaded Reverands. GoodDay (talk) 22:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I know the name, I just cannot remember him. Jesse Jackson I do recall clearly, and I dislike him. He's a very narrow-minded man. I agree. It's difficult to like and trust a man with the appendage of reverend attached to his name. Like a child with its security blanket.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Michael Flatley was a good mate, and Jackson(M) stayed with him in Ireland on several occasions. Flately refused to speculate with the media on what may have caused Michael's demise, so looks a genuine friend. The Reverend is expert at jumping on every bandwagon that passes, an expert self publicist, he wouldn't be the famous JJ if he didn't. Tfz     09:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I wonder if Al & Jesse, will be at Billy Mays' funeral. GoodDay (talk) 19:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The War of the Rosses
Hello Jeanne.Richard of York I meant renounced his claim as King of ENGLAND and took the predescent of the Treaty of Troyes in 1420 whereby Henry VI woud stay as King of England and his 6 year old son would be dissinherited in favour of Richard duke of York as hs Heir.This was known as the act of accord.Based on the same priciples of the Treaty of Troyes this meant that he would have had to recognize the Lancastrians as the Legitiamite ruler of England in order to becomome his Heir.Therefore because of the act of Accord in 1460 Henry VI was the legitiamite King of England.Edward IV thus had no right to depose Henry King of England in 1461 and is a Usurper making his claim nothing since his father ended his de jure(claim) in 1460.Anway Henry VI had beeen recognized as Both King of England and France all over England and Northn France as the legitiamite ruler.Again there is no source that will say any mortimer or duke of York didnt recognize henry as Legitiamite King from 1422-1454.C'ya.

P.S I fixed the date on that post I Gave.I got the point mixed up with the date and I mentioned Richard.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 20:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The Treaty of Troyes also gives refs to The English claim to France--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 02:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * When the Treaty of Troyes was signed Henry VI wasn't yet born (He was born 6 December 1421). Remeber why the Yorkists fought for the throne: because Henry VI was insane and they refused to accept Margaret of Anjou who was the de facto ruler. The Duke of York had indeed sworn fealty but to Henry not Margaret, besides the Yorkists through Anne Mortimer hsd the strongest claim. Lionel of Antwerp was Edward III's second son, while John of Gaunt was his third son. Richard of York ended his de jure claim to the throne in 1460 at the Battle of Wakefield when he was killed and afterwards his head impaled on York gate by the vindictive Queen Margaret. His son Edmund was also killed.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 03:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes I agree.I never contridicted that.100%.However as said in R.A Griffith book whom is Henry VI best known biogropher.He states in the start of thr book he was generally accepted all over England as Legitiamite King of England in 1422.What I am saying is that there is no source from 1422-1454 in which the mortimers proclaimed there rights to the throne.1460 was when Richard duke of York proffessed hs claim as legitiamite King of England.He signed the Act of Accord however in 1460 in which Richard became Heir but had to recognize the legitiamicy of the house of Lancastr since he had pressented himeself as Heir to Henry VI.Thus when Richard died in 1461 it was his son Edward IV whom was the Heir.But by now it was a bid for the crown.Edward IV had already ended his claim at the act of accord so he has no right to depose Henry,Thats why when he deposed him in 1461 he was a usurper since he had no right to do it.The Act of Accord followed the preddescent of the Treaty of Troyes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_usurpers

Goodbye Jeanne.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

John Dee
Hiya Jeanne, Have you heard the expression 'If a dog is born in a stable it doesn't make him a horse.'? Reckon it applies for John Du (pronounced Dee, same name as one of my cats BTW. I'll leave you to guess his colouring). Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 07:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Gwladus Ddu received her name from her dark hair and eyes, so I would hazard a guess that Dee was rather swarthy himself. I would say also that he capitalised on his Welsh blood to Queen Elizabeth as a means of finding additional favour with her. I am certain that he favoured the term British to affirm Tudor rule in England and as a means of tying in the two nations under the umbrella term British, which obviously paid tribute to his Welsh heritage. Note we don't say Anglican Isles. Even though the Scottish Stuarts eventually merged the two kingdoms, remember Daiceragos, that the first Stewart was a FitzAlan from Brittany, who was a steward!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * lol. When I said 'I'll leave you to guess his colouring' I meant my cat, Du (black). I seem to recall someone calling Elizabeth I something along the lines of 'that red-headed Welsh harridan'. Was she particularly known for/proud of her Welshness, or was it just a chink in her armour?Daicaregos (talk) 09:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing she felt as Welsh as I do. Jack forbes (talk) 09:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, Daicaregos, I'd say she was prouder of her English blood. Remember she was wedded to England! She was probably the first sovereign of England since Harold to have had more than a few droplets of English blood. Her predecessors were French. Hi Jack, welcome back!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jeanne. I don't for a second believe that any Royal can be proud of their Welsh, English or Scottish roots. Tell them they could be Kings and Queens of Europe and they would bite your hand off. If James I of England thought there was more power remaining King of Scotland he would have. Their only concern has always been keeping them and their family in power. No different from any modern day mafia family. Jack forbes (talk) 09:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Elizabeth was fiercly proud of her Englishness, and Robert the Bruce was proud of being a Scot. Louis XIV was also proud of being French. However, as you say, power was/is the bulwark of all rulers, family patriarchs, and presidents.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Jack, I just happened to think. English nationalism, as we know it, did not exist until the 16th century, hence Shakespeare when he wrote Henry V embellished it with all these references to England such as Cry God for Harry, England, and St. George, when in reality the nobles as well as Henry V himself were fighting for wealth, lands, and of course, the seductive acquisition of POWER. Henry V and his nobles were themselves of French ancestry.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no doubt Robert the Bruce did all of Scotland a favour when winning Scotland our independence. Would he have done so if there was nothing in it for him? Debatable to say the least. Would Elizabeth have given up her crown if she thought in doing so it would have benefited England? We know the answer to that. Being fiercly proud of your country means doing things for that country which doesn't always benefit yourself. Not something Royalty tend to do. Oh, Jeanne, did I tell you that I'm not a fan of Royalty? :) Jack forbes (talk) 10:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Remember Jack, Queen Elizabeth gave up Robert Dudley (her great amour) for England.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There's the rub, Jeanne. You and I look at her sacrifice in different ways. In my view she refused to give up her power for Dudley. Would it not have been a greater love story if she had given up her crown for her great "amour"? (Don't tell anyone, but I'm actually quite a romantic, for a bloke). Jack forbes (talk) 13:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And end up like Mary Stuart?! She gave up her crown for love (lust?!!) and look where it led her! Actually, what you say is true. Elizabeth didn't want to share her crown with anyone, and I believe she used Amy Dudley's death as an excuse to Robert for not marrying him. She went so far as to try him for his wife's murder. Had Dudley been found guilty, I've no doubt she would have sacrified him as just as she later urged Mary to do with Bothwell.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) So if, as you say, Elizabeth was prouder of her English blood, why would Dee have 'capitalised on his Welsh blood to Queen Elizabeth as a means of finding additional favour with her'? What possible good would it do him? Daicaregos (talk) 20:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * She was still a Welsh Tudor. Perhaps she felt it gave them a bond of sorts. Who knows? Their relationship was mysterious.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Agnes of Palatinate
Hi Jeanne, today I created an article on Agnes of Palatinate. Her father had the category "heirs to the british and english throne" in his article. Agnes was the youngest of three children, her brother died in his late teens and her elder sister did marry and have issue, but Agnes became Countess of Palatinate. I was wondering, was Agnes a real heir to the english throne and could she have inherited if something had gone wrong the Plantagents. Palatinate, England and Bavaria could have all been united under one monarch (Agnes' husband Otto II, Duke of Bavaria). I was wondering if you knew anything Jeanne, seeing you are good with medieval heiressess. Thank You --David (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, Henry II of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine were her great-grandparents through their daughter, Matilda of England, Duchess of Saxony. --David (talk) 15:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice article. I love the image.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you know anything about her being an heir? --David (talk) 15:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not likely she was an heiress, seeing as she was the youngest child, and had a brother. She would have had a marriage portion, but I don't know which estates or titles (if any) she brought as dowry to her husband.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

What I don't understand is why she inherited Palatinate when her sister was still alive. Even if her brother did live longer and the plantagents died out, there would still be a chance that England and Palatinate could have been joined together and possibly Bavaria (but very unlikly) --David (talk) 15:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh she did inherit it? It's possible it eventually came to her when her siblings died without descendants.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, her sister's son Conradin died at 16, so Elisabeth's line ended there.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Elisabeth was her daughter, her elder sister was Irmengard and married to Herman V, Margrave of Baden-Baden but did have issue. Irmengard was countess of palatinate but when she died she passed it to Agnes rather than her sons. It's confusing me! --David (talk) 15:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's confusing me as well. I wonder, did Irmengard's sons have children?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I just checked. Yes, they did. Why don't you ask Surtsicna about this riddle? He knows a lot about titles, and lines of succession.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll ask him tommorrow and I'll ask Henry.--David (talk) 20:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * David, today I created an article on this woman: Maud de Lacy, Baroness Geneville. She and her eldest sister were co-heirs to their grandfather's estates and divided everything between them when he died in 1241, yet Maud (the youngest sister) ended up with the most important lordships. I think it was likely due to her husband's friendship with the king as well as his kinship with Eleanor of Provence. Both Maud's husbands were "Savoyards", who were favoured over the English nobles.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello! This is how Agnes became Countess Palatine of the Rhine: Henry V renounced the title and it passed to his son. When his son died, there were no males left in the family, so the land reverted to its overlord, the Holy Roman Emperor. The Emperor then gave the land to Louis I, Duke of Bavaria. Louis I was succeeded by his son, Otto II of Bavaria, who happened to be married to Agnes of the Palatinate. Surtsicna (talk) 17:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I knew I could rely on you to come up with the correct explanation.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Cheers Surtsicna! We can always rely on you. Another great article Jeanne, I wonder why many of these women don't already have articles? Jeanne, remember we spoke of Isabella of Jerusalam a while back, I beleive that her daughter, Philippa is without an article. In a way, she was an heiress because I think she inherited Champagne with her sister, Alice. I think an article like this would be just up your street! Thank you to you both R.I.P Michael Jackson --David (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Michael's death was very sad. He was so young and had plans for a world tour. He'll be missed in the music world. I'll check out this Philippa. Medieval Lands should have something on her.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 03:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Google Books is also a useful tool. Here is a result of a quick search. Surtsicna (talk) 13:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help, Surtsicna. I'll do an article on her one of these days.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Friends of mine had planned to see Michael at the 02 in London. Can we have some M Jackson music on at your club, Jeanne? --David (talk) 15:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course. I've always liked Don't Stop Till You Get Enough. It has that exciting late 1970s disco sound. I also like Jackson Five's first song I Want You Back.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I'll do an article on Philippa tomorrow. She sounds interesting. Thanks, David.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * David, I created a skeleton article on Philippa of Champagne. I have to go out now, so cannot work on it at the moment. Could you add some information on her, and tomorrow, I'll try to finish it. Thanks. It looks so bare at the moment.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, as for Agnes becoming Queen of England - very unlikely. The rules of primogeniture were very weak back then; King John's accession to the throne is a proof. John was crowned although his elder brother's son and daughter had precedence over him according to male-preferance primogenture. So, had John died childless, a civil war would've started with all of John's nephews claiming the throne. Given how many sisters he had and how many sons each of them had, that would've been an interesting scenario. Surtsicna (talk) 19:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Philippa of Champagne and family
Your most welcome Jeanne. Tommorow I'll translate the french article of her husband since that has alot of information. I am going to focus on the Visconti family for the time being and on the other children of Beatrice and siblings of Taddea, Elisabetta and Agnese. Of course I'll let you know when I am done! Cheers--David (talk) 15:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, David would you happen to know Philippa's exact birthplace? Was it Tyre or Acre? I haven't a clue, so I used Holy Land for her birthplace on her infobox. Do you think that's ok? I know it was the Holy Land but that's all.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it was Acre but I'm not sure, just leave it as holy land. You could change the infobox from person to royalty. I am also going to be creating articles for Duchessess of Bavaria since the new article has been made. You could help if you want Jeanne--David (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we should ask Surtsicna's advice before we change it. I thought it prudent to use the Person infobox, even though she was a Princess of Jerusalem; however, she had no actual titles. I believe she was born in Acre too, but we need a ref to back it up.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll have a hunt soon to find her birth place. Are you interested helping with the duchessess of bavaria, I'll ask Surtsicna as well because I think he is good with German history. Though I must warn you the inheritance was messy with some of them like Agnes. Thanks --David (talk) 18:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Abbesses of Quedlinburg
Hello! Few days ago, I was reading something about Quedlinburg Abbey. I found out that its abbesses were very powerful women, whose only superior was the Pope. Not only that: the Abbess of Quedlinburg was a Princess of the Holy Roman Empire (thus entitled to seat in the College of Princes and a vote at the Diets). She was the only woman allowed to perform episcopal functions such as crowning queens of Bohemia. They were very wealthy and powerful and some of them led exciting lives (secret marriages and such scandals). Are you interested in helping me dig out something about these women? Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ooh yes. I am very interested. History reminds me of exploring Venice on foot. Once you step off the beaten tourist paths, you discover all of these secret, fascinating canals, and alleyways that you never knew existed. I had never heard of these Abbesses, just as I had never heard of Philippa of Champagne nor the Champagne War of Succession, until David drew my attention to it. By the way, how does my article on Philippa look? I completed it this morning. I'll have a look arond Internet and see if I locate anything on these abbesses.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How does the article look? Well, you'd never guess that it was created just few days ago, given how informative it is! Can you speak German? I found a list of the abbesses at the German Wiki, but I can't speak German. I guess I'll have to use Google Book Search as well as German Wiki. By the way, David is welcome too! :) Surtsicna (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is very good. No, unfortunately I cannot speak German. I do think some of the abbesses should have their own articles. I'll do a google search now and see what I can find.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just created a stub on Anna II, Abbess of Quedlinburg. It needs to be expanded.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Once I discovered that she is also known as Anna von Stolberg and Anna of Stolberg, the information just started popping out! Surtsicna (talk) 20:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Visconti
Hi Jeanne, true to my word today I created a page on Maddalena Visconti and I start one on Viridis Visconti. I find it hard to find info on Viridis so I thought you may be able to help. Cheers--David (talk) 10:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Semi-Retire
Hello Jeanne.I have to semi-retire today since I am going on Holidays tommorow.I wont be active as much.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Have a nice holiday, Henry! Take care.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Getting boring
Hi Jeanne, I am getting a bit bored at the moment, I have put article making on hold for the time being because I think there are plenty more discussions and adventures to be had. Is there anything you want to discuss?--David (talk) 18:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you read about the Princess-Abbesses of Quedlinburg Abbey?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Anna II, Abbess of Quedlinburg sounds really interesting. Anna and the rest of Princess-Abbesses didn't really live a quiet life like you would normally expect--David (talk) 18:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it sounds like there were lots of interesting going-ons inside the abbey walls. I wonder if Anna ever met Martin Luther?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just found out that Princess-Abbess Anna Sophie II was a notable poet. See here, here and here. Oh, I can't stop reading about these women - rulers of their own little state! Surtsicna (talk) 22:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, imagine the power they wielded. I wonder if Anna II ever met Martin Luther?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Henriette de France
Bonjour Jeanne! The three paintings by van Dyck are so beautiful! I am going to miss the one in the white dress. Can't we have all three??? Passez un bon weekend. Frania W. (talk) 11:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course we can have all three.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 20:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

cat or rat
Jeanne, your second alter-ego, is it a *cat with a rat's tail* or a *rat with a cat's coat*? FW/Frania W. (talk) 03:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jeanne !
Hey! Thanks for the compliments Jeanne! You're so sweet. The country-side is beautiful, isn't it? I spend a great deal of the summer here. It's a very pleasant little village. Regards, (Jack1755 (talk) 17:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC))
 * The countryside is georgeous. Cheers, Jack.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Jeanne, Could you please fix the notes on Louis XVIII? Regards, -- Jack1755 (talk) 17:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Peek-a-boo
"Peek-a-boo, I see you, hiding behind the chair. Peek-a-boo, you rascal you, I see you hiding there. GoodDay (talk) 19:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You sure you don't see me floating on an air mattress here? Because I've transferred to my beach house located in the place you see in the image on the right.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoa, far out. GoodDay (talk) 16:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Jumpers, the Wiki-servers are sluggish today. Things are sure quiet at WP:HOCKEY, perhaps the servers aren't working in other areas. GoodDay (talk) 19:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Agnes of Austria (1281-1364)
Yo Jeanne! A while back in created a page on Agnes of Austria. She was married to Andrew III of Hungary? Aldebaron69 has uncovered some new evidence thatmakes her appear I my view a bit evil. Aldebaron69 is expanding her predecessor and first wife of Andrew, Fenenna of Kuyavia, who bore him a daughter, Elisabeth. When Fenenna died, Andrew married Agnes but her died without having children with Agnes. Agnes went to live in a nunnery but took Elisabeth with her. Elisabeth was the final sole surviving heir of the Arpad dynasty and she was forced to become a nun. In a way, it was Agnes' fault that the Arpads died-out. Elisabeth was going to marry Wenceslaus III of Bohemia, but he instead married Viola Elisabeth of Cieszyn because she was apparently a great beauty. At one point though Wenceslaus was thinking of abandoning his great beauty Viola to marry Elisabeth, but she had become a nun thanks to Agnes. Elisabeth may have married and had issue, so the Arpad dynasty could have carried on up to this day, but Agnes prevented that. What are your views, Jeanne?--David (talk) 17:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Arpad dynasty died with Andrew III. Elisabeth, being female, was not able to continue the dynasty anyway, so Agnes can't be blamed for the extinction of the Arpads. Surtsicna (talk) 16:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

But Elisabeth could have married and produce an heir to carry the line of sucession, maybe even a close relative.--David (talk) 17:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Jeanne, did you miss my message a while back, I created pages for Maddalena Visconti and Viridis Visconti, but Viridis' needs expanding, I wonder if you could help the expansion.--David (talk) 17:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Matilda, Princess-Abbess of Quedlinburg
Hello, Jeanne! If you are not too busy at the moment, could you please check the article about Matilda, Princess-Abbess of Quedlinburg? As you probably already noticed, English is not my first language, so I'd appreciate your help with copy-editing. The article contains links to the pages of books where I found the information; if you think that a sentence in the article is too similar to a sentence in the book, feel free to make neccessary changes in order to avoid plagiarism. Matilda and her immediate successors, Adelheid I, Beatrix I, and Adelheid II, deserve good articles. Thanks! :) Surtsicna (talk) 13:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Surtsicna, the article is perfect as it is, and doesn't require any copy-editing. Congratulations on an excellent article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Sicily
Ciao Jeanne,

May I ask, what brings you to Sicily? I came across you through a photo of your daughter on the Sicily Wikipedia page.

My family is from Sicily and I've been there three times, in the last five years. I hope to some day relocate there, although it's quite difficult due to their economy. So, I'm curious if you're working there or, if by chance, you're one of the many Americans stationed at Sigonella.

A presto,

Mikè —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.227.46.1 (talk) 08:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I used to work at Sigonella (many moons ago), but now I live here with my Sicilian husband and children. Ciao for now.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Input needed
Sorry to bother you again but any input you could offer (for or against) at would be greatly appreciated by me. Thanks. Daytrivia (talk) 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Bit of News
Hi there, you have made it to news, at this site. Though not through WikiRage. lol.) Tfz     15:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Ludmilla of Bohemia
Hi Jeanne, today I created an article on Ludmilla of Bohemia. She was a Duchess of Bavaria, wife of Louis I, Duke of Bavaria. Her first marriage was to Albert, Count of Bogen, someone whom I've never heard of. Ludmilla had three sons with Albert and one son with Louis, Otto II Wittelsbach, Duke of Bavaria whom married Agnes of Palatinate. When Louis was mysteriously murdered, Ludmilla founded a nunnery where she lived for the rest of her days. She live to see four or five of her grandchildren by Otto and Agnes. She lived a strange life and suffered many tragerdies. Cheers--David (talk) 16:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Elisabeth of Poland
Hello Jeanne. Over the last couple of days I've worked on the expansion of the Hungarian Queen Elisabeth of Poland. I cannot believe that she only had a stub! She was queen of Hungary, she fought for her son's right in Poland. It was thanks to Elisabeth that Jadwiga of Poland could sit on the throne of Poland besides the death of her sister, Mary of Hungary. Elisabeth was also regent of Poland during her sons absence, though it only caused outrage among the polish and they started fighting and would've murdered Elisabeth if she hadn't have escaped back to Hungary. I also found part of her final will on polish wikipedia, although I'm not sure if it's true! Cheers--David (talk) 18:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I've completed Elisabeth now! Her husband, Charles I of Hungary married three times, his first wife was Maria of Bytom, second was Beatrix of Luxembourg and thirdly was Elisabeth of Poland. Charles had one of two daughters, Katherine of Hungary and Elisabeth of Hungary. The mother of the girls is unknown, they were legitimate I think but it's unknown which of the three wives they belonged to. They couldn't be children of Beatrix of Luxmebourg because she was only married to Charles for a year and had one pregnancy from which she died along with her baby. This leaves Maria and Elisabeth. A date of birth hasn't been found for the girls but a date of death has. If Katherine was daughter of Elisabeth, she would have had to have been born withn the first four years of the marriage, otherwise she would have died rather young, noting she did have a daughter and did raise and educate her. Elisabeth of Hungary's life is more or less unknown, she did marry but it is unknown if she had issue. Please do you know anything? There are references to this case of Maria of Bytom's and Elisabeth of Poland's articles. Thank You Jeanne--David (talk) 16:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * David, I'm sorry I cannot help you. I haven't a clue about the mother of Charles' daughters. It's so annoying when there is confusion over identity. Have you tried Medieval Lands?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I've tried all sorts of websites even in other languages! They all have mixed opinions on the matter. Medieval Lands claims that neither of the daughters ever existed orthey gave them a diffrent parentage. Other websites claim that Katherine existed and was daughter of Elisabeth. Thanks anyway--David (talk) 15:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The article on Maria of Bytom may help you, but there is mixed opinions on the matter of the references. I've spoken to Aldebaron69 about the matter and I'm waiting for a reply. I think you'd get along great with Aldebaron69 and Elizabeth II's Little Spy, Jeanne. Thank You--David (talk) 15:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Margaret of Huntingdon
Hello Jeanne, I think I've found an article that's right up your street! The mother of Constance, Duchess of Brittany was Margaret of Huntingdon, whom styled herself as Countess of Hereford. She was married to Conan IV, Duke of Brittany and Constance was their only child. Margaret's parents were Henry, Earl of Northumbria and Ada de Warenne. On the death of her husband, the Duke of Brittany, Margaret remarried to Humphrey de Bohun and had issue, the only one I could find was Henry de Bohun, 1st Earl of Hereford. I think you would make more sence out of her than I could! Cheers--David (talk) 13:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, David. When I return home from the beach in August, I'll do some research and set about creating an article on her. Thanks again.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

FW needs help
Dear Jeanne: I hope you & yours are having a nice summer. Could you direct me to someone who can help with archiving my talk page which is long enough to go to the moon? Merci d'avance!/FW Frania W. (talk) 03:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You could ask User:BigDunc. He's very helpful. I'm having a lovely, hot summer at the beach. Merci.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just thought of returning to your talk page for your answer. Summer heat must be going to my head!  Thank you & continue having a good summer.  You have the best of life!  Merci & Ciao!  Frania W. (talk) 02:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Parentheses in the article Anna (name)
I found there are many parentheses in the section Variant forms. Some of the languages are in parentheses(e.g."Anabel" line, "Spanish"), while others are out of parentheses(e.g."Anabel" line, "English"). I saw you were the main editor of this article, so could you please tell me what do those parentheses mean? Thank you.-- Frank  LSF95  04:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Jadwiga of Żagań
Hello Jeanne, I hope you're having a great holiday! Yesterday I created an article on Jadwiga of Zagan, fourth wife of Casimir III of Poland. Their marriage was bigamous because Casimir was still married to his second and third wives. Casimir forged a papal dispensation so he could marry Jadwiga.--David (talk) 10:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jeanne, I forgot to mention I'm back from Yorkshire. Sorry, I didn't make it to Middleham Castle but I did visit some other interesting places. I stayed near Pickering. I went to Nunnington Hall, Rievaulx Terrace & Temples, Robin Hood's Bay and Whitby. I did want to go to Castle Howard, but it wasn't on the british national trust so it cost alot of money to get in, my family and I decided not to bother. Bye for now!--David (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jeanne, thank you for you kind words. There is a page on Margaret of Huntington but it is the wrong one. Myself and Surtsicna have been working on an article, it's about the mother of Elizabeth of Bosnia, we're keeping it in my sandbox because it may be deleted. Do you know aything about Elisabeth of Kuyavia (have I already asked you?) we need more information about her. I've also created another article which is just as interesting as Jadwiga of Zagan, that is Kunigunde of Bohemia. Kunigunde became a nun twice, she was abandoned by her husband and became an influence to her niece, Elisabeth of Bohemia (1292–1330). Well done with Yolande de Dreux, Countess of Penthièvre and of Porhoet, do you want me to add a family tree for her, she seems to have had some interesting ancestors. Welcome back and thanks again!--David (talk) 09:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jeanne
Hello Jeanne.

I just wanted to thank you for being so friendly, and easy to talk to here at Wikipedia. You were a pleasure to interact with ... alot of fun. Now that my (uumm-teenth) ban has been lifted, I've decided that I just don't have the temperment for this place, and I shouldn't participate here anymore (the Dominion of Canada and the British Isles debates). Anyways I just wanted to say "Best Wishes".

Your friend Don ArmchairVexillologistDonLives! (talk) 15:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words. Good luck and best wishes to you, Don.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)



I'm baaaaaaaack in the saddle again
I'm home from the beach and ready to edit on a regular basis again. Tally Ho!!!!! You've all been warned, God dispose the day!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I've kept my promise. Another medieval lady Yolande de Dreux, Countess of Penthièvre and of Porhoet has arrived at Wikipedia.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow wee Wow. I feel like the 'big bad wolf'. GoodDay (talk) 16:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And why do you feel like the big, bad wolf? Or is it too dangerous to ask that question?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's too dangerous. GoodDay (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Some women find danger appealing as did Lady Caroline Lamb.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, the 6th Baron Byron. GoodDay (talk) 17:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Mad, bad, and dangerous to know just like GoodDay, eh?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed, ha ha ha. GoodDay (talk) 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ooh la la.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jeanne!
I didn't know you were on holidays. How was it? You got quite a tan. Let's she hope gets it! Today Miss Kerry... tomorrow the world! - hehe - Jack1755 (talk) 12:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My holiday was great, thanks. Lots of swimming in the Ionian Sea which was warm, and roasting on the beach, hence my tan. Alas, it ended all too soon, although I was at the beach for over 6 weeks. Oh, she is already Miss Kerry? Hopefully she'll bear the title of Miss Ireland. Good luck. What's her name?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Bonsoir Jeanne! It was so nice of you to leave a note on my page.  I am fine.  Thank you.  Heureuse que vous ayez passé un bon été.  Comment vont vos gentils & handsome enfants? To your question "are how you", I answered on my talk page "under attack from windmills...".  My God!  Some people!  Anyway, je suis sauvée maintenant que Jeanne est de retour!  Amitiés,  Frania W. (talk) 19:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh that sounds delightful. My mother is a sun-junkie; my parents sail around the Ionian every year. It is beautiful. Her name is Adele O' Herlihy, this is the only decent image of her I can find at the moment . -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What a georgeous girl.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, wowsers. GoodDay (talk) 20:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * She's not just a pretty face, hehe, she is a trainee lawyer. -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * While we're on the sbuject, my other brother's girlfriend was the runner-up in Miss Bebo Ireland 2008. Pic: She's is on the left  -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Jumpers, I'm feeling so lonley. GoodDay (talk) 20:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww, why are you feeling lonely, GoodDay? -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Cause those gals are so far away & most likely wouldn't be interested in me. GoodDay (talk) 20:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, Jeanne! David and Surtsicna are no longer going to be loooonely :) I can see you're already being productive ;) Surtsicna (talk) 20:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Oh, have you seen any shark? I was on vacation some weeks ago and there were warnings about schools of sharks coming to the Adriatic to spawn :/ Last year a tourist was attacked by a Great White in the Adriatic! You know, they have to go through the Ioanian sea to get to the Adriatic sea... Surtsicna (talk) 21:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh GoodDay, do not fret! -- Jack1755 (talk) 21:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * GoodDay might be feeling lonely, but after looking at those photos, I can tell you how I feel: OLD!!!!!!!!!!Oh, Sursicna, I'm glad you didn't tell me that in early July. I swam out into the open sea everyday. I did not see one shark, however I was bitten on the arm by a jellyfish (nasty glutinous things). Last year a jellyfish bit me on the side, I couldn't swim back to shore, and I needed a lifeguard to rescue me.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello Jeanne, I've created an that article on Elizabeth of Kuyavia, with the help of Surtsicna of course! We have no idea who her mother was.--David (talk) 16:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that must have been scary, Jeanne! As for the old, you shouldn't fret either! While not very decent words of comfort, I think the point gets accross. You have a good memory, Jeanne! Were the reactions to the graveyard pregnancy very egregious? -- Jack1755 (talk) 17:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, there was a huge outcry against the Church and Irish society in general.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Jeanne! Your commons images are being used by media outlets! -- Jack1755 (talk) 02:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Where is our HENRY? Frania W. (talk) 03:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Does anybody have his email address? Back to school today... consoled myself by going wild in a pâtisserie - cream everywhere. -- Jack1755 (talk) 13:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great way to console oneself, Jack! BTW, did you have any glazed donuts? Or cheesecake? No, I don't have Henry's email address. I was also wondering about him. I hope he hasn't left Wikipedia.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is the official banner for the Where is Henry V campaign, Frania. User Henry V.jpg
 * It is - hehe! I'm eating a queen cake as we speak. I bought brownies, queencakes, and some pastries, and before you ask... they aren't all for me! We have a new vice-principal, she is known soley for her unpleasantness. Hope all is well in beautiful Sicily, Jeanne! -- Jack1755 (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey Jeanne, well done with Margaret of Huntington! I knew you would create a great article on her.--David (talk) 16:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I promised I'd do an article on her. I just did one on her great-granddaughter, Yolande de Dreux, Countess of Penthièvre and of Porhoet. I love creating new articles. I've got about three medieval ladies I want to do articles on.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I have just created another article Eleanor de Braose, and now I AM OFF TO GET SOME SLEEP. Needless to say, I'm very tired. Goodnight......--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 21:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I've created an article on Euphrosyne of Opole. She was bad in ways, she tried to poison her step-sons so her own children could inherit their father's lands, she failed though and the step-sons rebelled. One of her sons was later King of Poland though--David (talk) 11:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Bonjour Jeanne et les autres: Where are you going to hang the official banner for the Where is Henry V of England campaign?  Should you put it on his... talk page or would this be considered an invasion of England by Vandals?  Frania W. (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe she does! Her granddaughters: Elisabeth of Poland and Kunigunde of Poland have a lasting lineage, Elisabeth only does if Katherine of Hungary and Elisabeth of Hungary were her daughters. Her grandson Casimir III of Poland has a surviving lineage that lasts up until todays pretending Habsburgs. Her other two sons did not leave a lineage, her daughter Euphemia did have children but I don't know how long her line lasts for.--David (talk) 09:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Elizabeth II is a direct desendent of Euphrosyne through Euphemia! Check out this, this website is great! Type in the name of one royal and the name of another and it will show you their relationship with eachother--David (talk) 10:29, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. So Charlotte of Mecklingburg-Strelitz was a direct descendant of Euphrosyne. Thanks David. How do you think one pronounces her name? Frania, we need your help here, please.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

you right/me wrong
Bonjour Jeanne: 1971 was not a mistake, simply the publication date of the reedition of Michelet's œuvres complètes by Paul Viallaneix published by Flammarion in 1971. I first thought your source was of an earlier edition during Michelet's life. taratata, Frania W. (talk) 18:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello Everyone!
How is the Wikiblitz club going? School occupies so much of my time now! -- Jack1755 (talk) 22:42, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's going well, thanks Jack. Yes, I well recall how Irish schools kept a person rather busy. My first husband went to a Christian Brothers school, in Dublin. The final results are well worth it. The Irish certainly know how to educate their young people. I believe the Irish are the among the best-educated in the world.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm back at school as well--David (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya know folks, we've all went to different schools together. GoodDay (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats good to hear, Jeanne. Did you live with him in Dublin? How are you finding it, David? True, GoodDay. -- Jack1755 (talk) 21:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, we lived together in Dublin; first at Harold's Cross, then Clontarf, and aferwards in Baldoyle. David, which year are you in? GoodDay, what was your high school like? I know you failed to stand during the playing of the national anthem. Oh, you rebel you! This reminds me of the Beach Boys song Be True to Your School.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

School is good I guess but some things have changed since last year. I'm in year ten, it was good because last year they abolished the year nine sats so that saved me alot of time. My headmaster has become tougher on all sorts of things and the scohhl now has a wirless network and new computers! Jeanne, I've expanded the article of Elisabeth of Tirol. Thanks again guys!--David (talk) 17:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

It's also my birthday next Friday, it is a real shame because for me it's a happy day but for many it is a sad day, rest all those souls lost eight years ago--David (talk) 17:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * May I inquire as to your age, David? Yes, it's a very sad anniversary for the entire world, not just Americans. A very sad day indeed.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

School was a hassle, I was often bullied up until Senior High (then things were calmer). My sympathies go out to all those families, who's children committed suicide due to bullying. GoodDay (talk) 20:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Just dropping by the Wikiblitz club to say bonjour to all of you wikiblitzers. Are you school kids all Irish?  We are expecting you to come out with flying colors at the end of the school year. Has anyone heard from our dear HENRY?  Frania W. (talk) 21:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry for my late reply, everyone! That's awful to hear, GoodDay. I hope you weren't perturbed too much by it. I think one of my cousins is in year 10 also. Is it true that you only have 2 months Summer Holidays? My school got a new vice-principal; she is anything but pleasant. I think David is from Great Britain, Frania. As for HENRY, not a word. I adore Dublin, Jeanne. Was there any part of the city you particulary liked? I, myself, am partial to St. Stepen's Green. And I can't talk about Dublin without expressing my profound love of the Bewley's Oriental Café. What was your general impression of Ireland? Speaking of which, the government has just uploaded the 1911 all-island census. It's brilliant! I was able to find all my ancestors.  -- Jack1755 (talk) 22:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I adore Ireland, Jack! I am about 75% Irish. I love Kilkenny in particular. Meath, Cork and Clare are also lovely as is Mayo. I am drawn to the North, Belfast in particular, however I have to say Dublin is my favourite city in Ireland. I like Grafton Street and St. Stephen's Green. The latter is even more attractive on a rare, warm summer's afternoon when one can lie on the grass and gaze up at the white, skittering clouds. I prefer the quays myself. Nothing like walking along the quays, especially Bachelor's Walk, with the sun sparkling on the Liffey, and the view of the Ha'penny Bridge. St. Michan's Church, just off Church Quay is absolutely fascinating with all the mummies. Have you ever visited there, Jack? You should; it's well worth the visit. As for Bewley's.....Just thinking of their delicious coffee and donuts makes me want to hop on the next flight out of Catania for Dublin!!!! P.S., how did they find the 1911 census? I thought all the records were destroyed when the Four Courts was blown up during the Civil War.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna fifteen Jeanne, I haven't really been bullied, I've made enermies but the few insults off them are nothing. Sorry to hear that GoodDay. But in most cases I've always believed that life is good for the bullies at that time but when you get older life will probably be nasty to them because they'll pick a fight with someone really nasty and they won't be as lucky as they were in school. In other cases they just find problems with themselves.--David (talk) 10:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

My maternal ancestors are from Ireland. They left during the potatoe famine and went to live in my home of Liverpool. I wondered if they considered going to live in America?--David (talk) 10:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't be inclined to think so, David. A voyage to America was infinitely more expensive than one to Liverpool. As a matter of fact, more Irish people emigrated to Liverpool than the United States. Hope that helps! I'm not sure how the cenusus survived, Jeanne. I haven't been to St. Michan's. I'm going up to Dublin pretty soon; I will definitely check it out! Recently, they completely renovated Bewleys. It had been closed for five years before that. The outlet in Cork closed in 2000. Personally, I'm in love with their teas. -- Jack1755 (talk) 13:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that makes sense Jack. My gran told me that my ancestor, named Anne had lost her husband during the famine and I don't think she had much money, plus she had a good few children. We don't know the name of Anne's husband though--David (talk) 13:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Lament for the Bullied Underdogs

 * When I've heard bad news about my 'past' tormentors, I never felt any sympathy for them. Anyways, I've survived (ha ha). GoodDay (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You know what I always say, GoodDay, looking well is the best revenge. From the way you describe yourself, you look pretty damn good. I myself was often beaten up after school, also lots of people in my high school made fun of the way I dressed (glam rock style: lamé tops, glitter in my hair, and paper stars at the corner of my eyes). I wonder if perhaps Wikipedia is a magnet for those who were formerly bullied at schoool? Hmm, it's well worth a ponder....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, there was one bitch in my class at high school, her name began with the letter G. She absolutely hated me. Well, I wouldn't shed any tears if I heard bad news about her. She hung out with a gang, need I say anymore? There was another girl in my high school who often, along with her group of friends, made fun of me and my clothes; she was two years ahead of me, so wasn't in my class. She became quite famous a few years later. She's still well-known, but I cannot say her name here.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We've survived (ha ha). GoodDay (talk) 16:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We sure have hee hee hee (Cheshire cat grin)--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Henry VI
Hello everybody I missed you all very much.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 14:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Howdy, you still haven't convinced me about 'Henry VI' being 'King of France'. GoodDay (talk) 15:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well look who just strolled into the joint? Hello Henry, how are you doing? It's been quite a while since you were in our neck of the woods. Anyroad, welcome back.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC
 * LOL.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 17:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * HENRY, on commençait à s'inquiéter dur! Now, aside from your other endearing petites imperfections, you're going to have to learn about spacing between paragraphs 'cause we have to dig so far down to find your impeccable writing.  Do you believe that you are going to convince Casio?  La suite au prochain numéro.  Aurevoir!  Frania W. (talk) 20:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * He (HENRY) hasn't even convinced me. GoodDay (talk) 20:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Is anybody interested in what the French think of Henry VI as King of France? Frania W. (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I had previously mentioned works from French academics.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 22:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

HENRY, here is the answer to a question I asked on whether Henry VI was considered king of France by the French:  Son couronnement ayant été invalidé par l'histoire, on ne doit pas le prendre en compte dans la numérotation royale, de la même manière que les antipapes ne sont théoriquement pas compris dans la numérotation pontificale.  Which means that yes, he was crowned king of France, but after the Anglo defeat, the French removed him from list of their king (no numerotation as Henri II of France), because the French considered void anything decided by the Anglos, y compris the signing of the Treaty of Troyes (under duress + Salic Law). It is similar to Maréchal Pétain, head of the French State during the German occupation of France in WWII: yes, Pétain was the head of the French State, however, he had not been elected by the French people, in other words, he was a puppet of the Germans, and although the French do not deny that he headed the puppet government of Vichy from the summer of 1940 to August 1944, Pétain is not in the list of the Présidents de la République française:  he headed no French Republic, with him the Third Republic went dormant and after him, there was another Republic. Pétain governed in a Void State.

In other words, In a similar manner, like Pétain, Henry VI of England is not ignored in history books, but he is no more considered a "King of France" than Pétain a "President of France": Pétain was Chef de l'État français during the German occupation of France, and he disappeared with his government in August 1944 as he was taken away by the Germans, just like the young Henry VI could not stay in France after the English had lost the war, as his French throne disappeared from under him.
 * French Third Republic = Kingdom of France before the English put their own king on the throne/
 * Pétain = Henry VI of England crowned King of France during English occupation/
 * non recognition of Henry VI of England as King of France by great number of Frenchmen while Charles VII is in Bourges = French Resistance during WWII/
 * de Gaulle = Jeanne d'Arc/ (naturellement!)
 * Vichy government = Henry VI of England reign while King of France (not accepted by Frenchmen but forced upon them)/
 * August 1944 = end of Hundred Years War/
 * re-establishment of French Republic = Kingdom of France under a French king: Charles VII.

You are allowed to smile at my simplified view of History. Frania W. (talk) 23:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well put Frania, and a great example. Another example could be the Confederate States of America from 1861-1865 with Jefferson Davis as President. They considered themselves a separate nation from the United States; however upon their defeat in 1865 the C.S.A vanished from the face of the earth, and neither historians nor Americans recognise them as having been a legitimate nation. Jefferson Davis is never listed as an American president. So Henry, you can see why Henry VI was not an actual king of France.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey thanks Jeanne, I did already know about this website but I didn't know how to access it--David (talk) 13:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Isn't this absurd?
Next we're going to ban chocolate and force people to eat lead. -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just one of the myriad reasons why I absolutely detest the tyrannical farce known as the EU. We should ban them instead of non-frosted lightbulbs. God knows the latter are certainly more useful to people.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. I can't belive the Lisbon Treaty is going to be forced on us again. It's an upfront to democracy! -- Jack1755 (talk) 11:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I wonder how many jobs will be lost as a result of their blatant and outlandish stupidity?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite a few I'd think. Not to mention the fun new cfls - full of perfectly benign mercury. I recall at the outset of the 2007 General Election that the current Fianna Fail government explicilty declared they would not enter a coalition with the Green Party, and of course, they did. What's even worse is the minister of the evironment, John Gormley, deplored old technology as being "obselete". The media retored that the telephone on the minister's desk isn't obselete! Worse again is the toxic waste dump on Haulbowline, the government is still to do anything about it, but they have no problem devoting days of work to banning cheap, safe lightbulbs! Sorry, I'm getting into a rant! Ireland is such a nanny state. -- Jack1755 (talk) 13:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If Ireland is a nanny state then Italy is a ninny state. You should try living here if you want to see absurd bureaucracy in action or I should say inaction as nothing ever gets done here.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

The EU is annoying how can people make laws about a country they don't come from or never been to. Britain had the worst numbers of imagrint EU workers, we need to get rid of them because they are stealing all the British people's jobs, I'm sure it's the same everywhere else. My dad said the Romanians are the worst for it and round theat area--David (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My forefathers came from Ireland and "stole" Scottish (British) jobs. Glasgow is full of descendants of Polish workers who came after the war and "stole" jobs. The one thing I and they have in common is that we are all proud Scotsmen. You see, immigration has been going on for centuries. Most of the country could trace their family tree and find someone who comes from somewhere other than   Britain. Should we look at this retrospectively and throw out those with a foreign heritage? Jack forbes (talk) 19:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Why is the EU proposing light-bulb banning? GoodDay (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Halogen light bulbs use 80% less energy than the old ones. Jack forbes (talk) 20:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume the Halogen bulbs are costlier. GoodDay (talk) 20:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * a little bit but they last an awful lot longer. I have one in my kitchen and although a little bit duller (you get used to it) it has lasted for what seem like forever. You'll also get a cheaper electricity bill. Just a little cheaper mind. I personally have no problem with them. Jack forbes (talk) 20:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Admittedly, I'm a sceptic. In time, the Hologen bulbs will become quite costly. GoodDay (talk) 20:27, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They are actually cheaper to manufacture so I don't think that will happen. It's really funny some of the myths put forward by the British press concerning new EU rules coming in. The funniest one I think was the one were a national newspaper reported that a new EU regulation was being put into effect that would restrict bananas being put on sale in the EU to those with the perfect bend in them and that any outside the norm could not be sold. It turned out it was a bored reporter in Brussels who made it up to find out how gullible the British public were. The British public fell for it hook line and sinker. They were outraged. That's just one of the funny ones, there have been a few. Jack forbes (talk) 20:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Now, that reporter was peeling for attention. GoodDay (talk) 20:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I know he's still making up stories. I believe he writes for the Daily Mail, a right wing newspaper. Jack forbes (talk) 20:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * How lucky you are to be living in a democratic country, GoodDay! The E.U. is forcing Ireland to vote on the Lisbon treaty, again, next month. My father, a scientist, is concerned about the mercury content of the cfls. Wiki-hello to you, Jack, I don't belive we've met. -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And a wiki hello too you too, Jack. If we had met I'm sure I'd have remembered your name. :) Jack forbes (talk) 20:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * How is everybody at WikiBlitz tonight? -- Jack1755 (talk) 21:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It appears I'm the chief bartender. I'll pour all the drinks and you can help yourself. Ahem! Sorry sir, can I see some form of identification please. We don't want to get closed down you know. Jack forbes (talk) 21:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, if you know the boss I'm sure we could wangle something. Jack forbes (talk) 21:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait until the EU calls for Ireland (the republic) to re-join the United Kingdom, then woah nellie. GoodDay (talk) 22:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * GoodDay, I think you have the wrong idea about the powers of the EU. Jack forbes (talk) 22:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just kidding. Anybody can join or leave the EU, whenever the wish. GoodDay (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Spot on GoodDay. If a person doesn't like the EU then they can vote for parties that wish to leave it, Like UKIP. That doesn't happen, so the people as a whole must be happy for their countries to be members. I guess you would call that democracy. Jack forbes (talk) 22:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Which country has the highest number of MPs in the EU? Or is each country equally represented. GoodDay (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It all depends on the size and power of the countries. The UK has the highest at 72 of which 6 are Scottish members of the European Parliament. Jack forbes (talk) 22:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. GoodDay (talk) 22:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me correct myself there. The UK has 72 along with Italy and France whilst Germany has the most at 99. Jack forbes (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Vell vell. I'd of thought it would've been France or Spain. GoodDay (talk) 22:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't tell the "We won the war, why should those damn Germans have the most" brigade. Jack forbes (talk) 22:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 22:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Jack1755, as Mick Jagger said in Stray Cat Blues: "I can see that you're 15 years old, but I don't want your ID". Well, that applies to WikiBlitz. We don't require IDs to enter; however one must remember always to pet the Cheshire cat who acts as the club's chief bouncer. The cat can get rather shirty on occasion, y'know.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This bartending thing is easy. Anyone for a Guinness? Jack forbes (talk) 08:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Jack dear, that wasn't er....quite what I had in mind, thanks all the same.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

It's been 5-weeks (and counting) since I've had a Pepsi. Fear of an ulcer, will do that. GoodDay (talk) 19:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There's always coca cola, Good Day. "Things go better with coke...."--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:07, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Be true to your school
Sorry for my tardy reply, went back to school; over the flu! I adore cats, Jeanne, but my parents won't let me get one :P. My class made our German exchange teacher cry today. -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd rather have a cat than a dog. I once had one and still remember him fondly twenty years on. Never had a pet since. Your class making the teacher cry brings back memories of a poor music student teacher of my schooldays being made to cry. All these years later I still remember it vividly and truth be told with a little bit of shame as I was one of the culprits. It's strange how little things like that stay in your memory. I guess it must be some kind of guilt complex. Jack forbes (talk) 20:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww, let's hope the emotional bruise you gave them wasn't too poignant, Jack! The female student teacher cried, but we didn't see it, and the male just sweated like a pig in a sauna. Somebody asked him "Do you know any of Hitler's relations?" I asked him, since he is studying history in college, "Who is your favourite Holy Roman Emperor?" Very different questions - ha ha. -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember in my bad old days as the school's recurrent nightmare, I got booted out of the classroom when I was in the 7th grade for showing the teacher a rather naughty Christmas card. I was 12 years old at the time.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wire sent to Jeanne's café c/o Wiki International: Frania has to semi-retire for a while. Please feel free to leave msgs/biscuits/cookies/champagne/cats/roses on her talk page, which she will check once in a while.  Naturally, will always be there if someone needs help.
 * Aurevoir! Frania W. (talk) 19:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, Frania. Take care and hurry back soon. We'll miss you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

thank you Jeanne, I had a great day yesterday!--David (talk) 08:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

In my country, a classroom is described as Model T Ford: 'full of nuts, with a crank up front'. GoodDay (talk) 17:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought I saw you lurking in the back of my class, GoodDay.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * lurk, lurk, lurk, indeed it may have been me. GoodDay (talk) 20:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of cats, this is my outdoor kitty. She's had five kittens in March, but stray dogs killed them all in one night. I can't stand he canine race since then. Since she is very promiscuitive, she's had another litter of five at the end of July, all females this time: a calico that died weeks ago, a fat blue-white-orange kitten, an agressive black-orange kitten, a sickly tabby and a tiny tabby. Is anyone interested in virtually adopting one? :) Surtsicna (talk) 21:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer canines, not felines. GoodDay (talk) 21:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am, Surtsicna! Cats are so adorible. -- Jack1755 (talk) 01:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your cat is beautiful, Surtsicna. Is she a Burmese? I'm sorry about the kittens. I don't like dogs either. They are so clumsy and intrusive. Cats are graceful, mysterious and almost self-sufficient.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I suppose she is just a domestic shorthaired cat with manners of a purebred Russian Blue. (Then again, I'm not so far away from Russia, so who knows...) Surtsicna (talk) 08:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya'll should check out YouTube & hear George Carlin's observations on Dogs & Cats. GoodDay (talk) 13:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Doppelgangers
There is a discussion on Sarah's talk page regarding doppelgangers. Well, I have a doppelganger as well, na na na na na na na. In fact, I have uploaded a couple of images of my doppelganger.
 * Who's the imposter? GoodDay (talk) 14:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The new entertainer at WikiBlitz.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But what's his identity? when not doppelganing? GoodDay (talk) 20:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh my God, did anybody see the VMAs? Kayne West pulled a distasteful stunt. -- Jack1755 (talk) 21:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Trust me, that was staged. We're living in the world of Reality TV. GoodDay (talk) 22:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Note that KW will be a muscial guest on the opener of The Jay Leno Show tonight (Ratings). GoodDay (talk) 22:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * GoodDay, he's nobody famous, just a local guy. We went to a car meet on Sunday, and afterwards at the restaurant where we ate, he performed. I can tell you he really put on a great show. We were all highly entertained.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (outdent)Oops, for a momment I got the subjects mixed-up. I thought you were speaking about Kayne West. GoodDay (talk) 14:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Never heard of him.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nor had I until yesterday. GoodDay (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think my wonderment goes without saying, but, what the hell; really??? -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * RIP Patrick Swayze (1952-2009). Spooky, that he played a cancer strickened soldier on a M*A*S*H episode ("Blood Brothers"). GoodDay (talk) 21:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's another celebrity death this summer. Three big names gone: Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett and now Patrick Swayze. All of them were born in the 1950s-uh oh, I'd better take care.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2009 has seen alot of celebrities pass on, old & young, Hollywod & Newscasters. GoodDay (talk) 15:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We all fade to grey.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:01, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, it's inevitable. GoodDay (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) RIP, Mary Travers (1936-2009) of Peter, Paul & Mary. GoodDay (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the group who sang Puff the Magic Dragon. Well that's two now, I wonder who'll be the third? Creepy how deaths always come in threes, just like plane disasters.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A catholic explanation could be the '3' crucifixtions, Jesus & the other 2 guys. GoodDay (talk) 15:45, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Dismas and Gestus? There is also the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and the Holy Ghost).--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Bouncer/Moral guardian
Hey guys, I just hired a new bouncer/doorman for WikiBlitz. What do you think of him?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya need somebody over 6'6 & weighing over 300 Ibs. GoodDay (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but will he pull in the ladies? I think my Baywatch friend just might tempt even Sarah to enter WikiBlitz!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe - I hope you're paying him well, Jeanne. What's everyone reading? -- Jack1755 (talk) 16:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd have preferred Jennifer Aniston as bouncer, I sure wouldn't mind being carried out by her. GoodDay (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, I'd prefer Britney. That way, I can be serenaded as she carrries me out. -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but those ladies haven't got the muscles nor the ability to perform mouth-to-mouth. His fees are, shall we say, reasonable.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Seeing as we have someone to take care of physical security, I thought WikiBlitz needed a guardian for moral security.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * How about Benny for blessing the drinks? GoodDay (talk) 18:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And if he falls over during the benediction? Crystal is very expensive these days, GoodDay.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 03:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Antonia Visconti
Hello Jeanne, I have created an article on Antonia Visconti, a sister to the others (Taddea, Agnese, Elisabetta, Maddalena, Viridis and Caterina). According to some sources she did play a notable part in history, even bringing the gene for mental disorder into her family. Do you know anything more on Antonia?--David (talk) 18:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's interesting that the Visconti family allegedly brought the gene for mental illness into various royal families. You will recall that Henry VIII, known for his ungovernable rages, was a descendant of Bernabò Visconti through his great-grandmother Catherine of Valois who also had a gene for madness from her father Charles V of France!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought Catherine's father was Charles VI of France. -- GoodDay (talk) 14:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's most strange, what about the daughters who became duchesses of bavaria? Did any of their children or descendants have a mental illness? I think that Maddalena Visconti's son had a problem--David (talk) 09:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Taddea Visconti's descendant was Henry VI of England. He was certainly mad.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Again though, King Charles V was Catherine's grandfather. GoodDay (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Double-barrelled madness. Insanity ran on both sides of her family.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm behind the bar again (part time)
Sorry, Jeanne. I was in the cellar changing the barrel. Actually, I was sitting on top of Ben Lomond on my quest to climb all the Munros. As I climbed Ben Nevis years ago I've only 281 to go (sounds easy if I say it quick). It'll probably take ten years to complete them by which time I should either be the fittest person in Scotland or a shell of the man I am now. Can't wait. Gulp! Jack forbes (talk) 12:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh welcome back, Jack. As you can see, we've even got a priest on hand to bless the drinks. Good luck with the mountain climbing. The Highlands are magnificent.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Good, as long as we don't have to go to confession. The shutters would be going down by the time I finished. 500 Hail Mary's and a thousand Act of contritions would just about do it. Jack forbes (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Oh da lee hee, Oh da lee hee, Oh da lee hee hoo..." Remember that fellow from Price is Right? GoodDay (talk) 14:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Mont Blanc(15774ft), Ben Nevis(4409ft). No yodeling for me thanks. I assume the fellow from the price is right was a bit of a yodeler? Jack forbes (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I heard Heidi.....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Ya'll know how Tarzan got his yell? Jane was being chased through the woods by a tiger, when Tarzan noticed, he swong over on his vine & yelled to Jane (translated to english) "Grab onto my vine...". She grabbed onto the wrong one. GoodDay (talk) 20:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh...Monkey business on a sunny afternoon.....Gimme the other--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Busking
You would have enjoyed Dublin yesterday with Ronnie Wood busking on Grafton St. for Arthur's Birthday. BigDunc 11:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Really?! Whereabouts on Grafton Street? I adore Ron Wood.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:58, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure of exact spot but covered in the papers today also had Tom Jones in the Brazen Head. BigDunc  13:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I loved the Brazen Head. I remember they always had live traditional music. Back in 1986, I once saw the singer Paul King, lead singer of that group King, on Grafton Street. We were literally walking side-by-side up the street. He didn't look as good in person as he did on TV, I recall. Oh, BTW, Dunc, have you had a look at Kevin McGrady? If so, what do you think of it?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a coincidence because I recall seeing him walking down the same street think he was over for a gig and I was on the hop from school, we might have walked past each other. On the article I had a quick look at it as I am busy with a research project I am working on at the moment, but looks good.  BigDunc  14:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * .Thanks. It was in the summer of 1986 that I saw him. It was so weird because I'd always liked him and was disappointed when I saw him in the flesh. He's from Galway originally even if he's constantly being described as British. I mentioned that fact on his article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Isabella I
Well there was really no point in it I think, you can only just identify the image as a person, I found the tapestry if was off and that says it was an image of Isabella's half-sister, Sybilla--David (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh well if there's doubt as to its true identity in that case leave it off the article. I had assumed it was a verified image of Isabella.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:33, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I've been adding info boxes to some articles, like Isabella's mother and one of her daughters (both called Maria) and Beatrice of Provence. I've noticed Jeanne, you've used a person infobox for nobility (I have too) there is a special info box for nobles, it's on an article I created, Eleonora de' Medici--David (talk) 15:40, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Who is it Jeanne, do you mean the paragraph about their families? An editor removed a large portion of an article of mine Agnes of Aquitaine, Queen of Aragon and Navarre. It does always help to know about their family because then it can give the reader a sense of what the person may have been like and there diffrent origins--David (talk) 15:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I konw who you mean now, it's Agricolae, he does my head in! He wrecked my article on Agnes of Aquitaine, Queen of Castile. Just take a look at the talk page! I thought it would be interesting to note she was an aunt of our old friend Eleanor of Aquitaine. I also wrote other stuff, he removed alot of it and the article became half it's original size! I see you've been using the nobility box, we need to divide the nobles from other people--David (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

OMG! He's just trashed three of my articles: Blanche of France, Duchess of Orléans, Blanche of France (1253–1323), Isabella of Braganza (1514–1576), can you report people for doing this?--David (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yas have to be careful with statements like my & our articles. Anyways, I've left a compromise proposal on the Agricolae article. GoodDay (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * As long as we are complaining about me, I thought I would join in with my own comments. First, they are not your articles, as GoodDay has pointed out. Second, there have been complaints about my not having discussed the deletions, but you never discussed the additions, so I don't see the moral superiority of your position.  Remember, it is recommended that editors 'be bold'. If an issue arises, there is plenty of opportunity to then discuss it, but the editing of your text is not, in and of itself, and act of aggression or the initiation of edit warfare as you seem to imply.  Third, the removal of the names of grandparents is not 'trashing' an article.  You cannot be so emotionally invested in your contributions, or you will have a hard time dealing with the collective nature of Wikipedia. Next, many of the details I have removed represent original research, as defined by Wikipedia. Take the lamented Agnes of Aquitaine article. Find me a published reliable account of Agnes, Queen of Castile, that explicitly calls her great-aunt of Eleanor of Aquitaine.  Find me one.  More of the removed material has been speculation from unreliable sources (just about everything that you can find on Agnes that isn't recent and in Spanish). A shorter article is not, but this sole criterion, inferior if the difference is the removal of unreliable guesswork and invention.
 * Finally, the justification for including the names of grandparents in everyone's articles is the claim that knowing the names of someone's grandparents, no matter how obscure those names may be, reveals something about the individual. Tell me then, either Jeanne or Daviiid, what useful information you learn about Agnes of Aquitaine from the statement that the parentage of her mother in unknown to modern scholars - a comment put right in the introduction of the article, suggesting it is one of the most important facts about this person? Or that Sir Thomas Weston was maternal grandfather to Alianore of Louvayne? Or that Cecily Bonville's father's mother's mother's mother was a woman named Dionysie Durborough?  For that matter, given that you know that Blanche of France was daughter of Louis IX, how does one reach a better understanding of Blanche from the further information that her grandfather was Louis VIII? What do you know about these people that you didn't know without that extra nugget? This claim that genealogy automatically provides understanding is, in and of itself, POV (and not that of your sources, hence leaning toward OR as well), the alternative view being that it gives undue weight to irrelevant trivia and clutters up the introductions that should be a concise summary of the person's notability and immediate context. If you really think a particular relationship is relevant to understanding a person, perhaps some effort could be made at incorporate the relationship into the flow of prose rather than the cookie-cutter format the two of you seem to have adopted - "Person X was daughter of Y.  Her paternal grandparents were A & B. Her maternal grandparents were D & E. Her siblings were M & N." This choppy, fill-in-the-blank boilerplate reads like you are going down a checklist rather than writing a paragraph. Such relationships are usually given at least the appearance of greater relevance when they are linked to the flow of the article, related to the other data presented rather than simply inserted as a stand-alone factoid devoid of connection to anything else. I hope that I have now made my position more clear on this, and leave you to go back to your discussion of my behavior with this greater insight. Agricolae (talk) 18:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

You don't need all of it to be sourced, all you need to do is look at the parents and see what other children they had and then look at their children and their children's articles to find this out, you can use information within Wikipedia itself. Anyway Agricolae I want to try and put an end to this, but have you ever looked at Medieval Lands before? We rely on this website for alot of sources. If this is how it's gonna be, you may as well delete half  the articles I've made. What about Elisabeth I of Bohemia then, is non ofher childhood worth mentioning because it clashes with geneology. I agree with what Jeanne said on a talk page, people maybe related to thses people and instead of going through lots of records and stuff, they could just go on wikipedia and see their ancestors in black and white and they would benifit alot from the Family paragraph--David (talk) 18:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I hadn't planned on going into detail here, but since you asked . ..
 * I don't follow your first comment. By one interpretation, it seems in line with my own thought. If you know someone's father is Louis IX, and he has a page, then anyone who cares about the grandfather can use Wikipedia and find out and so you don't need to mention the grandfather when the father is already linked. On the other hand, if you mean that rather than having a reliable source for material in an article, you just use Wikipedia as your source and draw your own conclusions, this violates an explicit statement of what is (and what is not) a reliable source WP:RS and in conducting your own research to reach a conclusion not explicitly found in a source, you are violating WP:NOR. As tempting as it may be to connect the dots (and I can't deny having done it myself in weaker moments), the role of an editor is to report the dots and of no reliable source connects them, leave them unconnected.
 * Medieval lands - a monumental undertaking that has all of the benefits and all of the deficits of such a project. With its broad scope, it covers a vast amount of material, and frequently gives reliable sources for the conclusions presented.  However, exactly because it is so broad, the compiler lacks the expertise of someone knowledgeable in each specific area, and thereby makes some outrageous errors and misinterpretations and accepts unreliable material that no expert would.  A perfect example is another Agnes, wife of Ramiro II of Aragon. Cawley, due to his lack of familiarity with the relevant scholarship, presents a solution based on material that is universally dismissed as a forgery by scholars familiar with the question.  Likewise, contrary to the claims of complete documentation, there are many instances in which he simply falls back on family mythology. As such, while it may be an avenue by which to find reliable information, it is not, in and of itself, a reliable source and should only be used with extreme care. If the lack of reliable peer-reviewed source material prevents speculative details from being entered on a page, then Wikipedia is better off having it left out.  It is the inclusion of this type of material, 'common knowledge' dismissed by those with expertise, that gives Wikipedia a bad name.
 * As to Elizabeth of Bohemia, I am not sure what clash you mean. Because of her role as the person through whom the British crown would pass, I do not think the genealogy in the text is excessive, at least for the most part. The main exception: I am of the opinion that the reader learns nothing useful from the accounting of how many great-etc-grandparents came from Sweden or where ever - this ethnic accounting has been popular in the past, but at best it is misused as representing a cultural inheritance, which has a lot more to do with how and by whom one is raised than the fractional contributions of a particular ancestor. Worse, any use of ethnic genetics to characterize a person belongs in the dustbin of history.  However, I recognize that such a form of presentation has in the past been used in encyclopedic sources for people of special note, so I could be convinced to give it a pass. As to the pedigree itself, this one is probably so well known as not to be a problem, but some of them repeat undocumented material that has little reliable foundation, but escapes the need for documentation because of the form of presentation. In other cases, such as for the kings of Wessex where all that is known is the direct male line, I don't see the point.
 * Finally, it may be that there should be a place on the internet for one-stop genealogical shopping. There already exist several Wikis that aim at exactly that, WikiPeople being one. However, this is not what Wikipedia was ever meant to be.
 * Maybe if you want to continue this discussion, we should either go to one of the specific pages in question, your Talk or mine, so we don't clutter Jeanne's Talk for our conversation. Agricolae (talk) 23:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Charts
There are two types of ancestor charts that can be used, the three generation and the five generation one, that still needs some work. Take a peek at the other kind and see if you prefer that one: See at Hector Og Maclean, 15th Chief. I usually fill in both and hide one. It depends on how complete you can fill them in. It makes navigation much easier and readily shows important ancestors that you would otherwise not be aware of. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 07:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you know anyone that can do a coat of arms in SVG format? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 07:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You might ask User:David. He has done excellent work on historical articles. As for the format, I normally use another (which is hidden), but your looks fine to me. I'm trying to fill in some of the blank spaces. thePeerage.com has her maternal great-grandmother as Princess Margaret Stewart.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Catherine Fillol
Hi Jeanne, thought you might be interested in looking at this new article. I'm afraid the references are pretty poor at the moment, I'm having trouble finding out any solid details about her. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 11:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Slow response
If I do not reply to people today it's because I am having server problems due to the stormy weather we've been experiencing here in Eastern Sicily for the past week. I apologise for the inconvenience if a speedy response is required from me.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I assumed you'd left Italy, last month. GoodDay (talk) 17:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Re-join the community soon, we haven't forgotten you. GoodDay (talk) 21:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm still here and no I didn't leave Italy. My beach house is here, and my regular (boring) house is near here.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Heavy vibes
There are some really heavy vibes around this joint at the moment. Summer has certainly gone.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:13, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Catherine of Hungary
Do you mean my article on Catherine of Hungary, Queen of Serbia or her daughter Elizabeth of Serbia? I've found an image of Catherine I'll upload it--David (talk) 10:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I've got the image, it isn't the best image but it's alright. I've seen images of this style before, most of the queens of bulgaria and the latin empresses have these--David (talk) 10:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

As for Elisabeth the Cuman's mother, check out this- it's her article on that geneology website I often use, it may be wrong but check out the father, I believe that Elisabeth's mother is descended from Agnes of Germany. They also go through the Bohemian line through Agnes' daughter Gertrude, but the bohemian princess which Elisabeth's mother is descended doesn't appear to exist on Wikipedia, Gertrude had a daughter who became a nun, maybe she got up to something before she went to live in the nunnery or maybe she left the nunnery. Whatcha Think About That?--David (talk) 10:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jeanne, I'm expanding Constance of France, there is lots of information about her and she only had a stub on Wikipedia. It's a shame that people ignore the likes of Constance, have you seen her entry on Medieval Lands? It's massive--David (talk) 09:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I've finished, Constance of France (b.1078)--David (talk) 12:13, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice one, David and she even has an image to go along with it. Good work.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Look a likes?
Jim Flaherty & Lou Costello; Roman Polanski & Danny Kaye; John F. Kennedy & Stephen Harper. -- GoodDay (talk) 19:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Speaking of Ponlanski... -- Jack1755 (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I never did care for Polanski.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Server problems-again!
I am once more experiencing server problems. I apologise in advance if I am unable to respond to messages left on my talk page.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Close, but no cigar!
Adele O' Herlihy, Miss Kerry, came second in the Miss Ireland Pagaent!! So close. Miss Derry won. -- Jack1755 (talk) 10:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Number 2 isn't bad at all. Miss Derry always did win, though. I remember a Miss Ireland from the 1980s-Kathleen McCrory, she came from Derry.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 5 out of the 8 judges told her that she would win, but, alas, she didn't. She said she's gonna try for Miss Universe Ireland now. I have something horrible to tell you, Jeanne; brace yourself! The Lord Mayor visited my school last week and told us that "Ireland won't be great if we don't vote for the Lisbon treaty", these sentiments were reitterated by the principal and the school captain! Talk about a partisan school!!! -- Jack1755 (talk) 21:47, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember back in high school when a teacher showed the class films of the Russian Revolution! Why not create an article on the new Miss Ireland, and you can mention that Adele was the runner-up?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:28, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * XD, really? - Hmm... maybe I will! :) Just curious - Would you support the restoration of the House of Savoy? -- Jack1755 (talk) 17:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I would support them but only if Emanuele Filiberto took his father's place as king. EF has a lot of intelligence, charm and charisma, and man can he dance!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? I would have thought you were a Bourbon-Two-Sicilies kinda girl! - hehe - Has the bad weather subsided yet? -- Jack1755 (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Mais où est donc passée Frania?
''Bonjour Jeanne! Je ne suis pas de retour,'' just dropped by for relaxation & read some of the revisions on articles on my watch list. Am still busy outside Wikiland & will drop you a note when I am back for good. By the way, *Angoulême* needs an accent circonflexe on the first *e*, which I intend to put on when I am back, unless you want to do it yourself. Here are a few to put in you accent bank ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ !!! Aurevoir!
 * Alas, my Italian laptop doesn't have the key for the accent circumflex which is used for Angouleme.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't come back until you write me a song, Frania. :P -- Jack1755 (talk) 17:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Elizabeth of Hungary
Hi Jeanne, I've created the article on Catherine's sister, Elizabeth of Hungary, Queen of Serbia. She was very interesting, she was lost in love, poor thing. Her first husband was executed and her second husband did love her but he had to dissolve the marriage because Elisabeth's sister, Catherine was married to his brother. She had two sons, her youngest was eventually executed and nobody knows what happened to the eldest or what his name was, even though he did survive infancy and I think early childhood. Her sister had it all but Elisabeth had nothing in the end--David (talk) 18:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

This whole thing is doing me head in Jeanne! One article of mine, Isabella of Braganza has been used on another website which isn't Wapedia or something that usually copies from Wikipedia. I'm also surprised at Srnec for referring to us as genealogy hobbyists. Is this gonna get better?--David (talk) 15:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Adele
Uh-oh, I have a nasty update. My brother was a little entusiastic in his "runner-up" conlcusion. He seems to have gotten caught up in the moment; he only though she was going to be runner-up - lol. Apparently, she was only in the top 10. Sorry about that, Jeanne! -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Alianore de Lovayne
I have nominated Alianore de Lovayne, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Alianore de Lovayne. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Agricolae (talk) 15:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Equality and monarchy? Your opinion is needed!
WikiBlitz Club members, I'd like to know what's your opinion on gender equality in the House of Bernadotte.

I suppose that you support equal primogeniture because equality is cool. I like equality, but my favourite type of primgeniture is cognatic (male-preferance) primgeniture. I do not like agnatic (male-only) primogeniture because it is nice to see a female monarch from time to time; however, I do not like equal primogeniture either because it is not equal enough.

The engagement of the Crown Princess of Sweden made me think about the future of the House of Bernadotte. Daniel will not be Crown Prince of Sweden and I can partially understand that (though wives of heirs apparent share their spouse's title), but how is that justified? Daniel will probably not be king either (though wives of kings are queens and Carl XVI Gustaf's wife is queen). That's why I don't like equal primogeniture - it's not equal. Husbands of queens regnant are not styled as kings because it is presumed that the masculine title of king outranks the feminine title of queen. Is that gender equality? Is this inequality of equality somehow justified?

Also, the Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland's future husband won't be prince of Sweden. On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for her brother's wife not to be princess (assuming her brother marries with the consent). However, if the future Duchess of Värmland is made a princess, the issue of inequality will (or should) definitely arise.

So, what do you think? Surtsicna (talk) 21:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm...that's one stickler of a question, Surtsicna! Before I make a crack at answering it - I'm away all weekend everyone, off to the funland that is Northern Ireland :(, so if you leave me a message, and I don't reply, you know why. Hypothetically, yes, there is gender inequality in the House of Bernadotte, but monarchy in itself is sexist. For instance, Mary I delegated many of the monarchs ceremonial roles to Philip II; roles which contemporary society deemed unbecoming for a lady: leading troops in battle, creating knights of the Bath etc. Our Maria Theresa was forced to bear arms to protect her dominions; just because of her gender!

A more contemporary example is Prince Albert; Victoria willed him to be king, but her advisors coaxed her otherwise - it wouldn't sit well with the public! They don't wan't a non-dynastic crown prince or king. I think the days of "King consorts" are long bygone. Even Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, depite her female gender isn't safe. Clarence House stated that she will be delcared "Princess consort" upon her husban's accession, not queen. If that isn't enough, the poor lady can't even be Princess of Wales! It's all in public opinion, without it, the monarchy would flounder. - that's why the Bernadottes aren't taking any chances. -- Jack1755 (talk) 23:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Mary, Queen of Scots granted her husaband, Lord Darnley the Crown Matrimonial, making him King of Scotland which was just one of many disasters that royal lady made during her turbulent reign, which as you well know cost her dearly. Elizabeth I didn't want any husband of hers demanding the Crown Matrimonial, so she solved the problem by refusing to marry. (BTW, have fun up North Jack. Whereabouts are you going?) Surtsicna, I personally believe in primogeniture that is not sex-biased, the eldest child inherits irregardless of their sex. For example, Anne of France acted as Regent for her incompetent younger brother Charles VIII; however, had there not been Salic law as well as male primogeniture, she would have been Queen of France. I believe it did not sit well with Albert when Victoria refused to make him king.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The Baron Stockmar advised Victoria not to make Albert king also, per public opinion. I'm off to the countryside between Cookstown and Maraphelt. About to leave now. The turnout is only 21% in Dublin! Pray no wins by a landslide. -- Jack1755 (talk) 15:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, you're off topic. We're talking (actually, I thought we would talk) about monarchy in modern times and equality that is being forced into monarchy. As we all know, monarchy is based on inequality and it's all about inequality, so trying to make it (only partially) equal can only ruin the whole concept of monarchy. Besides, Jeanne and David, I'm sure that medieval heiresses wouldn't have been nearly as interesting if women inherited as often as men inherited - male preferance primogeniture is what makes having a female monarch excitin. Having female monarchs is exciting because they are rare and extraordinary.

I'll repeat again: Husbands of queens regnant are not styled as kings because it is presumed that the masculine title of king outranks the feminine title of queen. Is that gender equality? Is this inequality of equality somehow justified?

In the end, I would rather have a republic than an equal monarchy. Surtsicna (talk) 18:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There were the rare cases of joint sovereigns such as William III and Mary II of England, and Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile, etc. In the former union, William was the dominant ruler; however in the latter, Isabella made all of the important decisions, even the catalystic decision to finance Christopher Columbus. The problem with female sovereigns in the medieval mind was that a monarch also had to be a warlord, and women weren't perceived as being capable of leading troops into battle. Ironically, plenty of men chose to follow Margaret of Anjou who headed the Lancastrian contingent in the Wars of the Roses.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Disagree with gender neutral levelling when it comes to monarchal succession IMO, as a general rule. European history would be much worse off (and society much more anarchistic) without the Capetians, Plantagenets and Habsburgs ruling in an uninterupted line. In a monarchal society, a woman already has a respectable enough role; as Queen she is mother of the nation. I could only agree with tinkering with the succession laws in that way, if it meant we could get a paternal Stuart back on the throne, then legally change the succession laws back to male preference again straight after. - Yorkshirian (talk) 15:10, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There was also the case of Matilda of England who had many adherents, although that was probably in large part due to the assistance of her illegitimate half-brother Robert of Gloucester. Had there been equal-gender primogeniture succession in the Middle Ages, the younger brother would have simply tried to wrest the crown from his elder sister, thus provoking countless civil wars. We have the example in 16th century Scotland when James V's illegitimate son James Stewart, 1st Earl of Moray continously plotted against his legitimate half-sister Mary, Queen of Scots hoping to become the de facto ruler of the kingdom. He did achieve his goal following Mary's abdication in 1567 when he was made regent for the infant King James VI until he was assassinated in 1570.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:42, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

 * Appreciate your informing me of the rules of succession affecting the British crown!
 * I'm not a Scot, but can you tell me where in NYC I could go to purchase kilts?
 * And what's the Scottish equivalent of Anglophone or Francophone?
 * Have a beautiful day.--Ludvikus (talk) 11:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Ludvikus, thanks for your message. As I have never been to NYC save for JFK Airport (which doesn't count), I couldn't tell you where you might be able to purchase a kilt. Try a Google search. As for the Scottish equivalent to Anglophone, I haven't a clue. The only name that I can think of which could be used is Caledonophone, seeing as Caledonia was the Roman name for Scotland. That is only my invention, however as I really don't know what the correct word is. Why not ask a Scottish editor? Have a nice day yourself, seeing as it's before noon in New York. It's almost 5.00 PM here. Take care, and thanks again for your message.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for standing up for me at Dai's page. He was likely kidding anyways. GoodDay (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant what I said. I have a lot of respect as well as genuine liking for you. You always know when to move in at a crucial moment to defuse explosive situations or lighten the mood; besides you are extremely funny yet I also believe you are deeply sensitive beneath all the joking. I used you as a classic example for Talleyrand on my subpage. I've added more people BTW.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't recognize me at WikiProject Ice hockey. One of the administrators there, no longer AGF concerning me (and my despising of diacritics). I've resigned from that Project 'bout 2 months ago. He & I, no longer seem to click. GoodDay (talk) 16:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * We all have our secret selves, GD.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Haaa ha ha ha ha ha (the sinister laugh of so many villians). GoodDay (talk) 16:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Sophia of Poland
Hi Jeanne, I've created an article, roughly translated from Polish on Sophia of Poland, she was an interesting charactor, she had 17 children with her husband. I'm going to focus on her sisters now, what do you think?--David (talk) 19:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi David. The article on Sophia is good; it contains quite a lot of information which is well-sourced, plus an image. The section on Betrothals is a little unclear, though. It could do with some rewriting. For instance, the insertion of the family's claim to Austria needs to be elaborated on.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello Jeanne, I've rewritten the paragraph on betrothals the best I could. That was what it said on polish wikipedia, though I find it unlikly that a daughter of Elisabeth of Austria and her husband could just take Austria. They'd bypass the claims of their siblings, aunt and cousins. I'm now going to focus on Sophia's sister, Hedwig. Hedwig's marriage was said to be one of the most stunning ones of Medieval times. Then there is Sophia's two other sister, Barbara of Poland and Anna--David (talk) 08:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I've expanded the page on Barbara--David (talk) 09:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * David, you'll need a citation for the claim of the precise number of guests at Barbara's wedding.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:47, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Usage of British Isles & alternatives
Howdy Jeanne. I see you've enter the discussions at the Taskforces Specific Examples page. Indeed, you are brave. GoodDay (talk) 17:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I am brave, but that's because I've borrowed the same suit of armour Henry V wore at Agincourt.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Images
Hi, no problem... the original uploader has specified the PD licence ( for example). Bye :) --Francesco Betti Sorbelli (talk) 16:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Fantastic! Cheers, Francesco.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Just letting ya know
I deleted your comments at my Userpage, 'cause I didn't know how to transfer them to my User talkpage. Please, feel free to re-add (at my talkpage). GoodDay (talk) 23:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Clarifying: You may certainly add poems to my main-page, as that's what the section's for. GoodDay (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Lisbon
R.I.P. Irish Democracy 1916-2009 -- Jack1755 (talk) 20:24, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * All hope is not lost!

I'm having fun! Im in my cousins' house as I type. She's fallen asleep; my parents are out; my msn is malfunctioning; and I'm exhausted. We stayed in Malahide last night; it broke up the journey, had a great time. My God, the is place is tiny! Dyk that Cookstown is home to Ireland's longest main street? This slumbering cousin told me some zany stories. For instance, a girl in her school said "All Catholics go to hell." And apparently most children aren't allowed out on Sundays. They demolished the obselete border bunkers. -- Jack1755 (talk) 22:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remember when I used to go to Belfast, everything was closed on Sundays. But I don't recall children being kept inside their houses. This girl's family members are obviously religious fanatics.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 03:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

My dad was annoyed when he heard the news about Ireland and the EU. I Britain I don't even think we're aloud to vote on it! The government just say yes every time--David (talk) 09:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Bye bye transparent lightbulbs!!! It was nice knowin' you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's time to incite rebellion in Giardini-Naxos, Jeanne! There is still hope, guys. All you need to do, David, is tell your Dad to vote Consevative. The towns were abandoned in N.I. today. In Dublin, however, I rejoice to say that I say that some teenagers were riding rather lovely ponies in Drumcondra :P. It was a rough drive; six hours. And, to add to my dismay, I just found out Kathy Sinnott's son is dead.  -- Jack1755 (talk) 23:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I see were you're coming from Jack, but my dad doesn't like the conservatives either, he votes UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party). My dad doesn't like the tories after that stuff in the 80's, he reacons they haven't changed their ways--David (talk) 15:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Flooding in Giampilieri
I've made the changes in this article as you suggested. Would you like to take a look to my edits (you can find them here)? I'm not sure I wrote everything correctly, my English is a little rusty... Thank you! -- Von Vikken (talk) 18:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks good. I'm glad you removed the Cosa Nostra stuff.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 03:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I hate when people thinks that here in Sicily Mafia rules everything... it's not true! Have a nice day, goodbye! -- Von Vikken (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I also live in Sicily, although I'm not Italian. I experienced the storm Thursday night-there was lightning, thunder, very strong winds and lashing rain. It was truly frightening.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I experienced it too... My father works in the Protezione Civile, he's there for days, by now, he said it's a true nightmare... -- Von Vikken (talk) 18:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That was so sad about the woman who lost her two sons. They were found underneath the mud embracing, which indicates that they were buried alive. So many tragedies seem to occur in the Province of Messina. I have a dear friend who is over 70 years old. Her two uncles were both killed in the 1908 Messina earthquake. They were at school when it happened; the building collapsed and they were both crushed to death. So very tragic.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

That's right. We are in a seismic zone, and sometimes Mother Nature treats us bad... But this is my land, and I love it! ;-) -- Von Vikken (talk) 16:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I didn't sign the Union Acts
Howdy Jeanne. Fear not, as I hold no ill will towards Daicaregos. GoodDay (talk) 14:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Pretties For You...
Good Grief! I came here to thank you for writing so many nice things about my family, and the first thing that popped out on the page was the name "Lene Lovitch ," and my first thought was, "Now there's someone who really deserves something nice..." Hope you like it. They look good on black leather jackets. Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 02:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Alas, Hamster Sandwich, I haven't got a black leather jacket to pin the medal on. I shall seek to remedy that lack of essential cool attire by checking out the prices of leather jackets next time I go shopping in town. I do have a black leather skirt which I could pin it onto, but it's a couple of sizes too small. (I bought it in the Reagan era when I was a walking skeleton.) I am pleased that you like the articles I wrote on the Lusignans. Which branch of the family are you descended from? The Lusignan family had at least six different branches:in the Holy Land, Armenia, France, England and Ireland. Quite a family!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny...I have a black leather jacket that I bought in the Reagan era that is at least two sizes too small for me! Ahhh, the rockin' that jacket has been exposed to... My family is a cadet branch: Jerusalem/Krak Des Chevalliers -> Cypruss -> Malta. The family crest is half Lusignan (bottom). Our motto is "Les champs bien, entre tenu." I am extremely curious as to the Irish connection! It seems much easier to trace family histories when they originate from island nations. Especially when the national libraries (Malta in particular) keep records that reach back into the mists the very distant past. Keep up the good work, and I hope to be seeing you around! You're a good egg! Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 20:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have two Maltese friends. Mnay genealogists believe that the Irish Brownes are descended from the Lusignans as the variant (Le Brun) was also used by some of the Lusignan members.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

BORED
Are there any articles that need creating, I'm bored of all the translating, even though all those polish nobles should have articles in my eyes, even half of the Dukes and Counts don't have an article. If there's anything let me know!--David (talk) 18:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Charles II: The Power & the Passion
Have you seen this Jeanne? Think you might enjoy it, much better than The Tudors. I wish the neckbeards would hurry up and invent a timemachine, Nell Gwynn is crying out to play scrabble with me. ;) I wonder if Henrietta Maria was really as rad-trad as shes presented in the film though. - Yorkshirian (talk) 22:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds just up my alley. My favourite of King Charles mistresses was Barbara Villiers. Henrietta Maria caused a lot of trouble IMO.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Prize 2009
What will he do for an encore? GoodDay (talk) 15:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * WTF?!? Are you kidding GoodDay? Why should he get a Nobel Peace Prize? Oh my God, those things are over-rated. In other news, wikiblitzers, Im looking for constructive criticism on my new article Cosimo III de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, thanks and have a nice day everyone. -- Jack1755 (talk) 16:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course he doesn't deserve it. Retroactively, all those involved with the Middle East peace process don't aswell. Afterall, there's still no peace in the Middle East. PS: Why does CNN & other networks describe the 'newiest' M.E. peace attempts as Breaking News? GoodDay (talk) 17:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * GoodDay, what do you mean by peace? The 1969 hippie-at-Woodstock type of peace or the Can't a man get a bit of peace and quiet in his own home type of peace? Explain.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 01:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * John Lennon's version: "All we are saying, is give peace a chance". GoodDay (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Jack, your article on Cosimo III is excellent. I made a few minor changes, but otherwise it is well-written, informative and very well-referenced. Nice job. Oh, by the way, thanks for your support on the Alianore de Lovayne article which was nominated for deletion. I'm sorry to say that it was, alas, deleted. Oh well. Thank you again for your support, and keep on creating good articles like the one on Cosimo.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 02:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Jeanne! It's a shame, I guess we have to be conscious of cultivation from now on. As for Obama, dyk that nominations were closed 11 days after he became president? P.S. Thanks for all your efforts on Cosimo, Jeanne. :) -- Jack1755 (talk) 11:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I love Wikipedians and their historical counterparts - hehe - I wonder which one I am? -- Jack1755 (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Any suggestions on the naming of this article Eleanor Gonzaga, Duchess of Rovere and Montefeltro? I know by putting her title in the name I am implying she was sovereign - which she wasn't - but somehow I feel Eleanor Gonzaga 1686-1741 doesn't impart much info. Thoughts?
 * Jack, you are definitely Leonardo Da Vinci! Eleanor's full title sounds good for the article's name.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "Vlad impales new articles before reading their contents" - LOL - 'Tis a very amusing piece. Must have taken ages! Aww, thanks! I don't deserve such compliments! -- Jack1755 (talk) 11:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you do deserve the compliments.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Done It!
Hello Jeanne, I've made articles on those three Polish nobles, it is easier to translate the french rather than the polish. Casimir II of Kuyavia, Casimir I of Kuyavia and Ziemomysl of Kuyavia. Casimir I was husband to Euphrosyne, who tried to poison Casimir I's sons by Constance of Poland, who I am now planning on creating a page on. What do you think?--David (talk) 12:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Davy Payne
I'd probably get worked over 'Chuck Norris/Bruce Lee/Charles Bronson' style by other editors, if I changed Payne's birthplace from Northern Ireland to United Kingdom, eh? GoodDay (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * GoodDay, I like you a lot so as a friend, I am begging you not to do it, even as a wee joke. Please.BTW, what do ya think of the article?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I won't. The article looks great, congrads. GoodDay (talk) 15:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It makes a change from Maud de Braose, Baroness Wigmore and Joan Fitzalan-or does it?!!!!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatcha mean? GoodDay (talk) 15:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Read the articles and you'll dig what I'm sayin', man.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * He didn't have as many children as Maud or Joan? GoodDay (talk) 15:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * How would I know? All I can tell you is he sure as hell never had any by me (Shudder)!!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll figure it all out (eventually). Dai & Jack have put me in a state of exhaustion. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll give you a clue, none of them would have been awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I gotcha. GoodDay (talk) 15:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi (and thank you for your contributions to Robert Bates and William Moore!). The Payne article describes him as the UFF's no. 2. As I noted in the UDA talk page, with ref. to McMichael being described as the the UFF commander, the structure of the UDA was such that each brigadier controlled his own areas and the UFF within it. So McMichael was UFF commander for Lisburn/Southern area but not the overall UFF commander, since there wasn't one [I recall a ref. to Tyrie saying this in a TV interview years ago, possibly after McMichael's death]. In the same way, Payne was probably the no. 2 man on the Shankill and could be described as that brigade's UFF no. 2. But to say that he was the UFF's overall no. 2, as the article implies, is incorrect. Unfortunately I lack a detailed knowledge of that particular loyalist organisation to be able to substantiate my points but am satisfied they are correct. Perhaps you'd care to think about this and I won't make any edits to the UDA or such pages. Regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 09:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that you are right. John White was the Shankill UFF's number 1 man, and Payne was the #2 man. Thanks for pointing out my error. I'll change it now. Cheers.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:27, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Article reads well now. Regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 10:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Favorite movie lines...
Reporter: Are you a "mod," or a "rocker?"

George: "I'm a "mocker.""

Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 06:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That was Ringo who said "I'm a mocker". I recall a great line George did say though during a televised Beatles interview. When a reporter asked Lennon why The Beatles found success whereas other groups from Liverpool did not, George interrupted and replied: "Because we got a record contract". Brilliant!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Har! The misquote was my mistake! I thought Ringo had the line about the haircut..."What do you call your haircut?" "Arthur." But I think I've extrapolated the circumstances. My step-mum is from "The Dingle" BTW.... Hamster Sandwich (talk) 06:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been to Liverpool, the people are some of the nicest and friendliest I've ever met anywhere.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, aye! Cheers on ya! Hamster Sandwich (talk) 23:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Epinotia Immundana
Did you know that the flying season for the Epinotia immundana is from April till June in the north? LOL. No, neither did I until yesterday. Amazing what a discussion over the term "British Isles" will teach you. :) Jack forbes (talk) 09:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Can You Help?
Hello Jeanne, I am making an article in my sandbox. It's about Agafia, wife of Konrad I of Masovia, she was titular queen consort of Poland. I found an article on her on a medieval lands related website, I translated it but alot doesn't really make sense, could you help me? Everyone else can help if they wish. Agafia had been compared to Jezabel. Do you think you can help me Jeanne? Thank You--David (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It needs to be less essay-like. At the moment it's not very encyclopedic. I'll see what I can do.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:55, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank You Jeanne for all you have done, I just don't understand what the apparent crime was that the John guy commited, I know it had something to do with her son Casimir and his wife Constance, but I don't know what it is--David (talk) 15:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

It's alright, I've finished, Agafia of Rus--David (talk) 16:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Robin Jackson
Hi there, I've updated the above a bit re his birthplace and murder of Billy Hanna. I can't rem. the citation for the latter but will find it and add it in. I noticed that you have cited websites without adding in the url (e.g. the Troops Out Movement). References and links are tricky in Wiki but will you see if you can add the relevant urls otherwise there's no way of verifying the information. Good work! Regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 07:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Nevilles
Thanks, to be honest I was a bit surprised myself when I read into their origins. Seems ironic that they protected Northern England from Scottish invasion for so long, when they themselves were technically an extended part of Scotland's royal family! Got to love the dodgy they all seemed to have haha. The Howards have to be my favourite English noble family though. - Yorkshirian (talk) 13:32, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Same here. The Howard women have always played prominent roles in English history. I must tell you a strange story concerning the Howards. Back in 1975, I visted Arundel Castle, and there was a portrait of one of the 19th century Howard women-I think it was Lady Adeliza Fitzalan-Howard; anyway, she was the exact image of how I looked at the time. Truly, it was uncanny. Even our hairstyles were the same.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:07, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * M. Boleyn, have you ever been to see Berkely? If I ever get back over to England, I'd try to see Chatsworth House, then Badminton House, stopping at Berkeley on my way to see some old friends in Devon. I wonder, if they've taken the fences off from around Stonehenge? (*Goes to read an article...) Ta ra! (P.s. I see that the Duke of Westminster has built a new Eaton. The old ones were so dreary, in my opinion. Although the chapel remains as a tour de force amongst private family edifaces.) Hamster Sandwich (talk) 01:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I only visited Gloucestershire once, and that was to Cheltenham where I visited the grave of Brian Jones. It was a drizzly day and I was the only person in the cemetery. The grave seemed rather lonely and forgotten, no souvenirs or mementos left by fans, etc. I took a few photos of the headstone, stopped for a while and then returned by train to London. I have been to Devon and Wiltshire which were both lovely. I would like to visit Cornwall and Dorset one day.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Spooky! Anne Boleyn was half Howard too. :p I think thats one of the best strengths of living here (making up for the horrendous weather and food), theres so many castles still in good shape and medievalism for anyone who wants to seek it out. The other week I did a pilgrimage to see the relics of Thérèse of Lisieux at York Minster, surrounded by effigies of Plantagenet monarchs (including a tomb of one of Edward III's sons) and various other saints. Gloriously reactionary I thought and that was just in a cathedral belonging to the Anglicans. I can't imagine Cromwell would have been too pleased haha. - Yorkshirian (talk) 07:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Just as well he didn't get his claws (or should I say paws?) on York Minster. Look at the devastation his troops wrecked upon Middleham Castle!!!! What a shame. There is no tomb of Richard III and his home is a ruin!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:05, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Attention seekers
The things people will do, to get a Wikipedia article about themselves. GoodDay (talk) 21:47, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha -- that's sad. -- Jack1755 (talk) 23:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A classic case of a Wikipedia article about a non-event. The child wasn't even up in the balloon, so why is there an article about the "event"????--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is current going through an AfD. GoodDay (talk) 18:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not any more, GoodDay! How does everyone find my new signature? -- Jack McNamee 23:32, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * How'd I find it? I read it (he he). Seriously though, 'tis cool. GoodDay (talk) 14:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop making fun of my Hiberno-English :P. I ruled against it; as you can see, the novelty wore off. As for the barnstar, there is no need to thank me, Jeanne, after all, you garnered that reward through your own actions. -- Jack1755 (talk) 15:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Wikiblitzers, I nominated Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici, an article I've been working on, for a GA review. I'd appreciate some feedback. -- Jack1755 (talk) 19:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Jack, I think the article is very good; it's well-written and well-sourced. However, to achieve GA status you'll need to stick with one style of dating system; for European people, the American style should be avoided. Another thing, peacock words such as alas, aghast should be replaced by more neutral words. I hope you don't mind this constructive criticism, I would like to see it achieve GA. Good Luck, Jack. What is your opinion, Frania? GoodDay?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Au contraire, I love the constructive criticism! I've taken your suggestions on board. -- Jack1755 (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Merci Jeanne for dropping by & checking on me! I have been extremely busy lately & have not participated much in Wikipedia.  I plan on going over Louis XVIII, which I have not read in a while.  I agree with you on your comments to achieve GA status & believe that there should never be any rush to get there.  Aurevoir!  Frania W. (talk) 17:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not very good at which words to use in articles, I'm more of a spelling fixer. GoodDay (talk) 15:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of attention seekers, have ya'll noticed my IP stalker? He/she's range is 166.205.xxx.xxx. It may be the Draper syndrome. GoodDay (talk) 15:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Dave, I'd love a coke.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I likely be signed-out for the rest of the day. 4-yr old niece showing up soon & staying over-night (in otherwords she gets the computer). GoodDay (talk) 15:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I got a 2-hr window (7:00pm to 9:00pm AST). GoodDay (talk) 22:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)