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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Revoking NPR
Thanks; I think it was needed, I didn't entirely feel comfortable doing it myself. I realized later that there was yet another article I'd found issues with that I didn't post on-wiki, and consequently didn't mention to you; now mentioned here. Uncomfortably similar to what Praxidicae found. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's not something I like doing, but I think in this case both autopatrolled and NPR had to go. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 18:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Concern over an autopatrolled permission
There is a comment within Articles for deletion/Loyse de Pury you may be interested in seeing. ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  23:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


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You were right about. Perhaps surprisingly, the master was not stale. I G5ed a couple of articles, can I leave you to perform any further clear-up that's needed, I've got to run. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  14:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah sure, thanks for the check. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 14:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Hey Joe, just wanted to thank you for all the great maintenance work you do at NPP. We're really lucky to have you around. Big thanks!

– DreamRimmer (talk) 15:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC) 


 * Thanks very much! –&#8239;Joe (talk) 17:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Ldm1954
Hi Joe,

Hope you're well. Ldm1954's recent spree of draftifications after becoming a reviewer is a bit odd, reflecting their limited experience with the guidelines. They use a strict interpretation of WP:NPROF, which is okay, but they should aim for RfC and change the guidelines rather than doing it this way.

The article on Draft:Steven Detweiler was a perfectly valid one, but they chose to draftify it. Draft:Shyam Gollakota is another article they draftified, akin to soft deletion, considering this article had been up for more than 3 months and is a direct violation of WP:ATD-I (i.e. discussion you closed).

I should also point out that they are also an AfC reviewer and they are similarly declining valid academics and researcers' drafts. Can you please revert these spree moves and give them some specific advice? Thanks. 109.180.245.108 (talk) 21:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look, thanks. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 10:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about dispute resolution venues
Hi, I am unsure if this is the correct place for this (and admittedly I'm mostly here since I have not interacted with any other administrator for a while), but there is a somewhat difficult situation unfolding over at Talk:Budapest. I do not think I can give you a full explanation of the issue -- there's no way I can explain all 70 comments in a talk page message, though I'd be very grateful if you could take a look at it if you have time.

I am unsure as to where to carry this dispute. The two other editors in this dispute have violated WP:QUO by insisting on the new version without the discussion ending, cast aspersions/did not WP:AGF on multiple occasions, while also creating WP:LISTEN-related problems. I don't know if this is severe enough for a report to ANI, but I am also unsure of what other venue is appropriate for this. I have alerted the Weather WikiProject and Talk:Köppen climate classification to no avail, as well. Could you please take a look?

Thank you, Uness232 (talk) 16:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . That's an interesting discussion. My read, with the large caveat that I don't know much about the topic at all, is that it's probably not one that is going to be solved through the user-conduct route with ANI etc. You're quite right that "humid subtropical" is the status quo version and that it really ought to have remained until a consensus develops, but in general I see three editors arguing in good faith over a genuinely tricky issue. Or issues, actually, there are at least two that I can see:
 * Is deriving the a Köppen classification from weather summaries a routine calculation? On the one hand, as you've argued, the calculation itself is trivial. On the other, there seems to be some expertise involved in deciding which variant of the Köppen system to use, deciding whether to use local or regional weather data, how to account for climate change, and so on, which might tip it into WP:NOR territory.
 * How do reliable sources describe the climate of Budapest? Or failing that, of Central Hungary, or of Hungary as a whole?
 * It might be worth having an RfC on #1, just to clarify things, but I think focusing on #2 would be your quickest route out of this particular dispute. Something I've often noticed is that if sources and/or editors disagree about something, the way to resolve the dispute is to describe the disagreement in the article itself. So in this case, it might be wording along the lines of Central Hungary has a [W] climate, but in recent years the climate of Budapest has shifted to Köppen [X], which is described as [Y] or [Z], that everyone can agree on?
 * By the way, this is sort of the opposite to my take on the Turkish placename dispute: I think you're right about the guidelines being contradictory there, but I don't think that particular editor was applying them in good faith anyway, so that's why I took it to ANI. I didn't mean to ignore or dismiss your point. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you for your thoughts on this. While I suppose I have a different view of their conduct -- perhaps due to the unyielding and stubborn way of argumentation, i.e. calling Köppen "fringe", accusing me of "POV-pushing" (I do not even know what POV I would be pushing in terms of climate classification), arguing with repetitive assertions rather than responses to questions -- I understand that a report to ANI would be misguided.
 * Re. your other suggestions, I would like to offer some clarification; not as "rebuttals" or anything like that; but rather because I think the issue is even more tricky than these solutions would allow:
 * For the former issue, I am willing to discuss, in a more general venue, the correct way to use Köppen. I do think that our current way (using the weatherbox) would be WP:CALC not only due to the high level of standardization that Köppen has,1 but also due to the fact that I'd say we have no choice (for data insufficiency/resolution reasons), however I am willing to listen to opposing arguments. I am not willing to accept Budapest as the singular case where this matters, though. The world is full of similar cases, where climate change or an urban heat island has changed the Köppen type of a city (Zonguldak, Lyon, New York City, and many more) and for all of them we take climate change into account and use weatherboxes, not maps. This was why I repeatedly asked these conversations to be moved to Köppen climate classification, or somewhere similar; because Budapest is far from the only example of this, yet it seems like Budapest not being called humid subtropical is all that is being cared about. I would assume that to be nearly tantamount to WP:IJDLI unless generalized to other cases.
 * For the latter issue, this is a constant and intractable problem of climate classification on Wikipedia. Currently, all -- and I mean all -- climate articles on this encyclopedia are based on Köppen. Humid subtropical climate speaks of Cfa in Köppen, Oceanic climate speaks of Cfb in Köppen, with very rare exceptions. I had actually challenged this status quo about 6 months ago, but the community does not seem to be for changes to this Köppen-centric way of climate classification on Wikipedia.
 * The problem, then, is that emic/local classifications often have little overlap with Köppen, so somewhere that would be one class by a local classification could be a completely different one by Köppen. This would cause serious problems if we were to include local classifications with no systematization.
 * For example:
 * Portland, Oregon is generally described as an oceanic climate in local literature, but Köppen describes it as Mediterranean, because according to Köppen, oceanic climates can not have a dry summer.
 * The oceanic climate article exclusively uses the Köppen criteria, which would exclude climates like Portland from the climate page.
 * This would cause a glaring discrepancy; the climate and the city article would conflict with each other. Portland would have an oceanic climate, a climate zone which should, by its only given definition, exclude Portland.
 * Obviously we can diversify both types of pages, but 'one but not the other' seems unrealistic and highly problematic. And again, we arrive at the same problem; these editors seem to argue, highly persistently and stubbornly, for this change to be made only for Budapest, and ignore (not even reject, simply ignore) my attempts to carry the conversation somewhere more reasonable (so that problems on broad/local consensus are resolved). This is why I referred to user conduct.
 * About the placename dispute; the reason I wrote that comment over at ANI was because Omnibenevolence claimed that I had 'a point' that you 'failed to answer', which deeply bothered me. I suppose I then sneaked my thoughts by the end; but I did not mean to say that you ignored my point, simply that you took a different approach, which is completely fine.
 * 1 While there are changeable rules in one or two places, we can and do note them when they matter, i.e in Boston. Conversely, Budapest is Cfa no matter which variant of Köppen we use. Uness232 (talk) 14:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Uness232, Joe, I would like clarify the thing
 * I did not say Köppen is fringe, morover Köppen does not use those terms. I said only that Hungary would be "subtropical" country I found that term is fringe, by good faith, as I am a local Hungarian person I never ever heard about this (JSoos also a Hungarian user), and no any Hungarians know about this. Just I am looking out my window and I see a big snow... in that allegedly "subtropical" country. I also provided many Köppen maps which does not support that claim. Morover I see Hungary and even Budapest has more Köppen color in the maps, which means even a city has more climate. For example Buda-Pest (united city) is big, Buda has mountains, Pest is flat, Buda is always more cold than Pest, they have very different climate within the same united city, that is my personal experience, and all Budapest citizens know that. The provided Hungarian wiki writes also different and provide a complex situation of the country, and we learn that our climate is continental in general according to our knowledge. I contacted with the Hungarian meteorolgy service and they cannot confirm that "subtropical" thing. Köppen does not use those terms, Uness232 also mentioned that "subtropical" term was accepted by some users in the past for wikipedia, that is why need to follow that, I rather think we need follow academic sources regarding the exact definiton of the climate of a country instead of voting and rendering terms to temparetures.
 * In the Koppen maps I can see many areas in Hungary even in Budapest as Dfa Dfb Cfa Cfb patches, so the climate map is not unified, so I do not understand why it needs cherry pick only one and emphasize this that the cherry picked one would be true for the whole area. Morover Koppen does not use that term for these codes https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-023-02549-6/tables/1
 * I suppose in Hungary the local Hungarians know better the climate than others who are not living there, I also do not think that it deserve ANI because we the Hungarian local people does not know or does not understand that our country would be "subtropical"... I also do not understand why we need use those terms (what I found fringe) and why not enough just use the official Köppen numbers. Do you think all Hungarian users are wrong or deserve ANI just because they does not understand this?
 * Uness232 mentioned "status quo version", so I rolled back the page manually to discover when happened that change, and I see recently the climate was not that
 * Another Hungarian user reverted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Budapest&diff=prev&oldid=931162653
 * IP edit changed to that "subtropical" "status quo version":
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Budapest&diff=next&oldid=975010444 OrionNimrod (talk) 11:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I do not want the dispute to spill over here, to the talk page of an uninvolved admin. I had already made my response to Joe Roe too long and too content-related; that was my mistake. Sorry. Uness232 (talk) 13:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Another long term Hungarian user who is not involved has the same opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Borsoka&diff=prev&oldid=1194443375 What is your plan? Thinking to report 10 million Hungarians in Hungary who do not understand why their own country would be "subtropical"? OrionNimrod (talk) 14:51, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Welcome to the drive! By searching Archaeology incategory:"All articles lacking sources", I was able to find a lot of archeology journals and sites that are completely uncited. I think you might be interested looking into them because these are your topic of expertise and is an excuse to test out your citation skills. See you at the drive on February 1st! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Nomination of Archaeology of the Holocaust for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Archaeology of the Holocaust is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Archaeology of the Holocaust until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Conflict of interest management: Case opened
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48 hour block of Tewdar by Sandstein
Thanks for closing this. I agree that everything had been said and the discussion had become unproductive. Would you please record in your closing statement that one of the outcomes of this XRV was to make a corrective entry in Tewdar's block log? I hope to make this correction normal when we overturn a block.—S Marshall T/C 09:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Gladly, thanks for pointing it out. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 09:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Good wishes @Joe Roe and safe talking. I just wanted to clarify an issue with your decline of my request for Autopatrolled. Not being blameful but just a pure inquiry. Your statement mentioned "prelude" and it got me, "So, it's impossible.for me to be Autopatrolled because of one of my article being deleted via AFD. I consider you may see other articles; I don't believe one could hold me from Autopatrolled. Just a real time enquiry (ping if any case: I want to learn more also) All the Best!  Otuọcha   (talk) 11:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Pages created by autopatrolled users don't receive the scrutiny that normal pages do so there's a very high bar when admins are evaluating such requests. It's incredibly reasonable for an admin to decline granting autopatrolled because the user in question has had article(s) deleted. I will note that autopatrolled isn't like other permissions in that it doesn't really have any bearing on what you can do (apart from quicker search engine indexing). Its main purpose is to reduce the backlog of pages that need to be reviewed. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 12:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Exactly, it's a high bar. We're basically looking for 100% of recent articles not being deleted and close to 100% being free of anything covered by a maintenance tag. The AfD doesn't mean you'll never be eligible for autopatrolled, just not for a while; six months to a year, though there's no hard rule. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 12:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
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Closing the Thinker78 ANI
Hi, Joe. Thanks for closing the Thinker78 ANI. I've been watching it, worrying a little that someone might close it before the 24 hours were up, but of course you didn't do that. I was wondering, though: in your close, you mention the possibility of waiting 72 hours. I didn't know that was even a thing; I thought the principle was to wait 24 hours before enforcing a CBAN, both to accommodate all the timezones and out of respect for the individual being banned. Is the idea of waiting 72 hours mentioned anywhere? If so, surely it's more honoured in the breach than the observance?

By the way, also, I believe you're supposed to log the ban. This would be the place. Bishonen &#124; tålk 13:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
 * Per this RFC from 2020.   ——Serial Number 54129  13:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Minimum times mentioned at WP:CBAN, which also seems to suggest that full site bans don't require logging. It wouldn't hurt. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Fortuna. Like Hamlet, I still don't think it's usually what actually happens, though. And I'm looking at the RFC, noting the arguments, and the users urging them... hmmm. Yeah, that's what I think: hmmm. Firefangledfeathers, I do see it's suggested site bans don't require logging. How strange. I would definitely log this one, if it was me. It's not like it's a horrible scarlet letter on the user; the editing restrictions page is pretty obscure. Something for the cognoscenti only. Bishonen &#124; tålk 14:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
 * They were the days! :) Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi  14:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * O Fortuna, velut luna! Statu variabilis! Bishonen &#124; tålk 23:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
 * The pocketings were frequent too :)  Muffled  Pocketed  11:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I noticed the early close and was going to point back to that policy too, since I've been whacked with a wet trout about it before, but I think this is a good use of WP:IAR. There was obviously only going to be more hard words for the editor that they probably wouldn't hear anyway. As for logging: I wouldn't bother personally, EDR ought to be for editors with restrictions from certain things, not for editors who can't edit at all. It would be a very long page otherwise, and we have Category:Banned Wikipedia users. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't even think it's IAR because WP:CBAN says "must be kept open for 72 hours except in cases where there is limited opposition and the outcome is obvious after 24 hours" and this seems to fall squarely into that exception. Levivich (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the editor is much better off banned, given what they've said about their issues and the behavior they've shown which was a bit disturbing.  Doug Weller  talk 16:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As Levivich says, I was following the instructions from WP:CBAN: for site bans, the discussion must be kept open for 72 hours except in cases where there is limited opposition and the outcome is obvious after 24 hours. Feel free to log it somewhere; I don't really see the point. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 07:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Leeds Wikipedia meetup on Saturday 4th May
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Flowcharts
If you just want one-word responses feel free to delete my comment. Ingratis (talk) 13:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * No that's exactly what I had in mind, thanks. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 13:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Changes to the functionaries team, April 2024
Following requests to the Arbitration Committee, the CheckUser access of Joe Roe is restored and the Oversight access of GeneralNotability is removed. The Committee sincerely thanks GeneralNotability for his service as a member of the Arbitration Committee and Oversight team.

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Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Blmmta
Hello, Joe,

Just thought I'd drop a note to you to remind you that category redirects are not created like article redirects. Please check out the code/template on this page so if you want to create more in the future, you won't have to go looking for the information. That's it! Have a great weekend! Liz Read! Talk! 02:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks. For some reason I thought that worked for categories too. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 07:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Just for the record
I just want to say that my wording was not great over at the conflict of interest discussion. In no way do I think you are unfit to be an admin or acting in bad faith. With all due respect, I do think there was a bit of bad judgment there, and I should have phrased it that way. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 15:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * No worries, and thanks for taking the time to clarify. As Floq has just wisely observed, messages sent through AN/I seem to come out in the worst possible way, no matter how carefully you try to word them. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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NPP Requests for Permission
Hi Joe, I just wanted to thank you for having a look at my recent application for NPP. I know it takes a lot of time to review this, so thanks!! Apologies also for not replying earlier, things suddenly got busier in real life than I had expected; sorry! Jtrrs0 (talk) 13:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

"Framming"
I'm not sure how Fram felt about it given that they chose to reply to TheAnonme rather than you, but I felt "framming" to be a disrespectful verb. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I expect Fram knows how I have developed my understanding of their unique role in the project. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 12:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Didn't want to derail the ANI
(See above. It's far too serious!) but your reminder was a blast from the past. Did you ever see that episode of Brass Eye where Gerry Adams's deputy, being interviewed, has to "inhale helium gas so as to detract from his credibility"? Fantastic stuff. ——Serial Number 54129 18:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes! I rewatch Brass Eye through at least once a year :) –&#8239;Joe (talk) 12:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2024).

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Guideline and policy news
 * Phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship review has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including creating a discussion-only period (3b) and administrator elections (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as creating a reminder of civility norms (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the full report.

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Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C
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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins
Hi there! Phase I of the Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

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 * Proposals 2 and 9b (phase II discussion): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA and Require links for claims of specific policy violations
 * Proposal 3b (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only
 * Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
 * Proposal 14 (implemented): Suffrage requirements
 * Proposals 16 and 16c (phase II discussion): Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs and Community recall process based on dewiki
 * Proposal 17 (phase II discussion): Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions
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"Rule of thumb"
Hello, in relation to this revert, and the use of the phrase "rule of thumb", many academic institutions consider it best not to use the phrase due to its history. I am easy either way with whatever you wish to do, I just thought I would let you know the rationale behind my edit. — GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes thank you, David Eppstein also explained it to me. I'd not heard it before. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 05:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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Sock
I was looking for admin/check user to review and block this accounts. 1. User:MaartenEdieg who joined in less than a day, created a talk page reading WenguiGuo#WashingtonFarm The Kwok scam only pits the ants Guo Wengui touted things to the sky all day long, from farms to Xi Yuan, he declared, "Xi Yuan's encryption capabilities and future payments, as well as the future exchange with the US dollar, will create history, is the only stablecoin, floating, modern crypto financial platform." The ant help to fool the head, but after dozens of broken promises.... These are the diffs and was blanked here. 2. User:LigonJudd who joined almost the same time did the same here, and after a welcome message blanked the talk page as usual. To show they aren't here to build an Encyclopedia, they recreated it on same TP here until they got a warning by Viewmont Viking here. After the warning, they blanked it again. This same user created a sandbox here of same content. 3. There comes User:ColbyIjazvHtE who joined at same time with the rest and created this sandbox with the same content. Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 11:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I am taking this to another admin. I do think you are going to attend to it soon. Thanks. Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 16:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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Notice of reliable sources noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Reliable sources/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is The Telegraph and trans issues. Thank you. Raladic (talk) 03:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Typo
Typo, should be nous.  starship .paint  (RUN) 14:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * See nouse, also the OED. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 14:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oh? I did not know that. Thanks for educating me. Though, OED says it was used from 1779–1859. You've been around a while, it seems!  starship .paint  (RUN) 14:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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NPR activity requirement
Hey Joe, I saw your comment which said "That's strange. NPR isn't usually subject to an activity requirement." Per WP:NPRREVOKE, if an editor has been inactive for 12 months or longer, the right may be revoked. Just wanted to point that out instead of responding to the comment directly at WP:PERM/NPR =) Hey man im josh (talk) 13:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks. said the same at PERM. I don't know how I managed to miss that over all these years! Maybe the heat is getting to me. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 13:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2024).

Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * Phase II of the 2024 RfA review has commenced to improve and refine the proposals passed in Phase I.

Technical news
 * The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. T43351

Arbitration
 * The arbitration case Venezuelan politics has been closed.
 * The Committee is seeking volunteers for various roles, including access to the conflict of interest VRT queue.

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History of rice cultivation
Hi Joe, noted your edit at Domestication. I've tweaked Rice and History of rice cultivation with the same source, but I fancy that the History article is using a lot of old sources, all added at the same time a decade ago, and probably in need of a bit more updating. If you fancy taking a look, it'd be appreciated. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll try to take a look. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Robocritic
Hello. You granted new page reviewer status to Robocritic and immediately he has blanked 2 of my pages and redirected them without going through the nomination process. 1 is this allowed? 2 can I appeal? 3 this guy is clearly unsuitable to be a reviewer so can I appeal against him getting this status? Shrug02 (talk) 07:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Yes, it's a common practice called blank-and-redirecting. There is no need to appeal to anyone; if you disagree, just revert it. If (courtesy ping) disagrees with this, they can then start a discussion. I realise that the sudden disappearance of your article can feel drastic, but the logic is that because blank-and-redirecting is easily reverted, it can be handled using the normal bold-revert-discuss cycle. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 08:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Shrug02 (talk) 08:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * How can I access the pages to turn off the redirect as when I click on them they just go to the redirected page? Shrug02 (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There should be a link at the top of the page which allows you to get back to the redirect. For example, if you click on WP:REDIRECT, there's a note just under the title that says:
 * Clicking that link and then clicking history will allow you to revert RoboCric's edit. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 08:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Shrug02 (talk) 08:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Shrug02 (talk) 08:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Question
Hey, I hope you are doing well. I have a small question in mind. If I revert someone’s edit that is under “Pending Changes,” should I notify the user or just leave it without notifying? I am asking because I have noticed that most people do not post warnings.

Also, I am deeply sorry to you, Josh and others for the previous mess I created at the PERM and on my Talk page. I promise never to do anything like that again. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks. Grab Up -  Talk  03:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . As long as you leave an explanatory edit summary, a notification isn't needed. They should get an echo alert automatically. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 07:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, now it is clear to me. Grab Up  -  Talk  08:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey there, I have other questions on my mind. Since I am blocked because of what happened, and you said I can apply for permissions after the ban ends, will I be declined any requests in the future citing this block? For example, WP:NPPCRITERIA’s fourth rule. I am not only referring to NPP but also other permissions such as WP:PMCRITERIA’s fourth rule. Will I be declined because of this block?
 * Also, you blocked me from all PERMS, which is okay, but I am currently on trial for Rollbackers and using the Antivandal tool to counter vandalism. How can I apply for it after the right expires?  Grab Up  -  Talk  08:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll lift the block on WP:PERM/R. Whether it is relevant to any future requests is up to whichever admin processes that request. I would say that the purpose of this block, beyond stopping the immediate disruption on the PERM pages, was to encourage you to focus on things other than collecting rights – applying for them again shortly after (i.e. less than six months) your block expires does not exactly show that. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 09:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I will keep that in mind. I would also like to confirm that I was not just collecting rights. If that were the case, I would not have used any of the rights I have, such as AfC, Pending Changes, and Rollbackers. I wanted that right because I wanted to patrol. Anyway, I will focus on other areas as suggested. Happy editing.  Grab Up  -  Talk  09:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Mass IPBE request
Dear User:Joe Roe,

We kindly write to request for IPBE for our university students ahead of an adit a thon which will be hosted on the 5th and 12th July. All the users are new and this unblock will be helpful as we will mostly be working on English Wikipedia. Find link to the event page- https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Event:WikiForHumanRights2024-Ghana_W4SAFRICA. Your support is greatly needed and appreciated. Kindly see the list of user names on the event dashboard or find here;

Best,

Ruby D-Brown (talk) 11:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . That sounds like a great event. Can I ask why you're requesting this from me specifically? Are these users caught in an IP block I placed? –&#8239;Joe (talk) 11:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Joe, there is not specific reason, I used this tool to find you https://apersonbot.toolforge.org/recently-active/?admins. I'm not sure if i contact the right person but i was hopeful i can get someone to support me or direct me. I am requesting Ip Unblock for these new users because they are new. From our previous campaign edit, our new editors could not edit English Wikipedia as they were all blocked which really impacted the event. That was not the only case; it always happens when new users who are enthusiastic get blocked and cut short on their expectations. We will like to mitigate this experience ahead of time. We believe that getting them unblocked ahead of time can facilitate a smooth experience. Also, they are being guided by experienced editors to ensure that the content put on Wikipedia is guided. Ruby D-Brown (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh I see, no problem. I've never actually granted IPBE before, though, so I'm afraid I'm not the best person to help you directly. You could try Wikipedia talk:IP block exemption. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 11:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much will check it out. Ruby D-Brown (talk) 18:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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