User talk:Jonesey95/Archive2019

Dates and locations for the invention of writing
Citations have been clarified for my suggested edit to History_of_the_world. Thanks for your diligence! More sources can be provided if you have any more concerns.

Thanks

Vasukhani (talk) 15:43, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Consensus
The point is that there is a consensus as this is the sourced information on the "flag of X" articles on this very site for the different flags i try to change the template off (including the sources i link to in my reasons for change), the previous version is not the agreed upon situation I want to change because of my opinions, but the unsourced mass-edits by one man going against the information on the flag article (who has now even has his template editing license revoked because of this...) --Havsjö (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Please make a list of templates where you believe that has made inappropriate edits. I have seen (and reverted) a few of them, so I understand the basics of what you are talking about. I will take a look at each template's history. Some of your proposed edits have not corresponded with the information in the articles about that country's flag, which has cast doubt in my mind about your other proposed edits. I am sure that you have some valid requests, but since I am responsible for any edits that I implement, I feel an obligation to proceed carefully.


 * In the meantime, please be careful to avoid deleting other editors' contributions to talk pages. And you might consider having your own talk page set to archive, rather than deleting messages that other editors leave for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

The templates I have seen so far (and made requests on) are:

Template:Country data Australia

Template:Country data Brazil

Template:Country data China

Template:Country data Empire of Japan

Template:Country data France

Template talk:Country data Netherlands

Template:Country data Germany

Template:Country data Italy

Template:Country data Mongolia

Template:Country data Nazi Germany

Template:Country data Ireland

Template:Country data Russia

Template:Country data Russian Empire

Template:Country data Portugal

Template:Country data Spain

Template:Country data South Africa

Template:Country data United Kingdom

Template:Country data Finland

Template:Country data Weimar Republic

Template:Country data West Germany

Other than requesting reverts of Illegitimate Barrister's changes, I have only made these 4 minor requests (or rather "suggestions"), more than that:


 * not include the NSDAP party flag, but instead have the national flag on "Germany" template. Though I can see how this particular point could denied.


 * To make the disputed "1949" variant from Barrister named "gold" to make into an actual variant, in order to still preserve it in some way


 * to use the oppurtunity also add the common "state" version of the current german flag to an alias, as I noticed it was missing when doing the request


 * Link "qing" to the chinese qing dynasty flag as well as the year (like both "1866" and "empire" on Germany)

Other than these minor changes I have only request the removal of the unsourced colour variants and CIA factbook versions

--Havsjö (talk) 18:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I added to your list above, based on your edit contribution history. Some of them may have already been edited to your satisfaction. In those cases, you are welcome to add  tags to those entries. I have posted a link to this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Flag Template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:33, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thought I should maybe just point out that the ones you added, like empire of japan and mongolia were kind of just "normal requests" separate from the whole barrister-edit thing though, but why not I guess :P--Havsjö (talk) 21:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. They all looked like the same sort of duck to me (someone who doesn't really know flags, but who edits templates a lot), so I figured that I would include them in case you forgot them, or in case any flag project members wanted to comment on any of your proposals. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have added some more links to the list I found as well--Havsjö (talk) 21:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm hesitant about implementing the requests. "This flag should not have been added" is not the same as "This flag is not used and it's safe to remove it". The requests need to show they're non-breaking. Cabayi (talk) 14:47, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I have moved the above discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Flag Template, since the scope has expanded beyond the above list of requests. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Problem related to coordinates in infoboxes
I am facing some problems related to the coordinates which are present inside infoboxes. Firstly I would like to inform you that the help needed is mainly in malayalam wikipedia where, in my view are no active regional bots present. In the case of English wikipedia, when I searched with the keyword 'insource: latd', I was able to find around ten thousand pages. Among them, I was able to find some of them with blank values like those present in the article South Africa. My doubt is whether those needs to be removed or not. Because when someone has found the coordinates and when he/she tries to add it to the article, I guess he will be adding directly into latd instead of replacing it to coord. So my suggestion is to replace those values like  with. My actual problem related to malayalam wikipedia will be mentioned after solution/decision is made to this problem.Adithyak1997 (talk) 06:24, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Removing blank template parameters is almost always a cosmetic edit (no change in the rendered page), which bots are generally not allowed to do here at en.WP. Anyone who fills in a lat and a long on those articles will find that it does not work and typically generates an error message and error category. You may decide to do things differently on the Malayalam WP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

About translating citation template parameters with Auto Ed
Hello! Not sure if you remember me, but I contacted you two years ago regarding using AutoEd to translate citation templates parameters. Just thought I should let you know that I only tried to set AutoEd to do it several months after our initial contact, and that it didn't work at first and I ended up forgetting about it. It wasn't until today that I realized this very silly mistake of mine was preventing the whole thing from working. By the time I first tried to make it work I didn't know a thing about programming, but now I know what "//" is for. I've just performed my very first edit with the script. Thank you very much! Victão Lopes Fala! 16:16, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Parabéns! Good job figuring it out. Remember that AutoEd scripts are not perfect, and check every edit before saving. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Can
you kindly prepare the statistics for 2017 and 2018; as you did over here? Thanks! &#x222F; WBG converse 11:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that the 2017 requests were analyzed, though I can't put my finger on them at the moment. Maybe remembers. As for 2018, we have to wait until the December requests are completed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:19, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I ran a search and that seems to be the most recent for that type of chart.  I published some data like that in the GOCE's 2016 and 2017 annual reports.  If you look, there's a little line chart of the frequency for each duration-to-completion (noting each number of days instead of grouping into blocks of 10 days).  I'll probably do that for the 2018 annual report, but the data won't be ready until the last request from 2018 is completed. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:52, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Sandboxing
I understand your good intentions, but please do not make intermediate edits in my task. At least it is very confusing, at worst I get mad*. -DePiep (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * * when behaviour changes inexplicable, looking like bug to be researched
 * You're welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 09:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia Editathon: The Visibility Project - Saturday, January 19
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Michael Mastro
I would like to know why my edits were reverted, as only some of the words changed meaning of the sentences and also I would like to know why you didn't remove the words with links which doesn't exist in wikipedia. Thanks, Balasubramanianrajaram (talk) 13:49, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This may come across as a bit harsh, but I hope you take it as constructive criticism from which you can learn.


 * Your edits removed many commas that were necessary for proper grammar, including four in the lead alone. You capitalized "real estate", which is incorrect. You changed "he listed assets in excess of $249 million" to "he listed his assets in excess of $249 million", which is not correct usage. You changed "They were accused of hiding assets from creditors" to "They were accused of hiding their assets from creditors", which significantly changed the meaning of the sentence. You removed two section headers for no apparent reason and shortened another one, removing useful context. You changed "Michael Mastro and his wife had been wearing surveillance devices" to "Michael Mastro and his wife wore surveillance devices", which was an incorrect change of verb tense. You made a few good edits as well, removing and adding a couple of necessary words and commas, but on the whole, it made more sense to revert your edits and start over rather than try to start editing from your version.


 * Even your message above is not grammatical. Here's an edited version: "I would like to know why my edits were reverted, as only some of the words changed the meanings of the sentences. I would also like to know why you didn't remove the words with links to articles that do not exist in the English Wikipedia." It may be that you are not yet proficient enough in English grammar to be a copy editor on the English Wikipedia. That's fine; recognizing your actual skill level can be challenging, but it is a worthwhile human pursuit. There are many other tasks that editors can perform to improve the quality of Wikipedia articles.


 * As for the words that are linked to articles that do not exist, red links to plausible articles should generally not be removed; see Red link for more information. And the words themselves should certainly not be removed just because articles about those words do not exist yet.


 * I encourage you to find a task or project here on the English Wikipedia that a is a good fit for your desires, your skills, and your level of competence with those skills. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for talking your time to explain in detail about my errors in that article. Yes, I'm not a native speaker as it is a secondary language to me and I hope to improve my language proficiency in English. Thank you for your inputs,Balasubramanianrajaram (talk) 03:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and after-merge discussion enquiry
Hi Jonesey95, hope you had a good Christmas and Happy New Year, thanks for doing my edit request. It's been a while since the Infobox school merge discussion - really glad it was a success, UK schools are benefiting from the improved look and additional parameters. I have a few new ideas on country-specific parameters I'm thinking of adding in order to cater the infobox for the other countries that make up the UK, and also for Ireland; Infobox UK school was more Infobox England school. But before I start a new discussion on this, what are your thoughts on continuing the after-merge discussion, which we had started but left it for a while haha - well, I guess we could say we deserved a break after the lengthy discussion and process it took to make the merge a success, but it was done swiftly in less than a month and super pleased everything is working well. I just think it's best the infobox is cleaned up first before any new parameters are suggested (SAT and ACT parameters for example were recently removed which can be added for removal in the after-merge discussion bot run). Please let me know, thank you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:42, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I won't have time for about five days, but I'd be willing to continue that discussion and work on the template. I have that page on my watchlist, so feel free to post your suggestion there. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:18, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thank you and that's ok, at the moment there are two lists, the one above is more about the merging of parameters with some removal, whereas my one is more about removing the proliferation of aliases/synonyms which are pretty much uncontroversial but there is some full removal/merge, so there is a bit of duplication and I'll work on merging them together and then you can make any changes before we start the discussion, hope this is ok Steven (Editor) (talk) 23:28, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Jonesey95, already merged the two lists together, added a few comments and more parameters under "Delete completely" section for complete removal. Whenever you are ready and if you can have a look at how I've done the merge to make sure you're ok with it before we start. I've already posted at the WikiProject Schools but doesn't look like anyone is interested, so might just be me and you - I will greatly appreciate your input which will help with consensus. Once discussion has finished and there's no objection, there will definitely be a bot run. Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:08, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Linter
If you are willing to take a look, I'm pretty sure there is a lint error at Lampshades made from human skin. (If nothing else, that's got to be an eye-catcher of a pagename!) Some editors added some quote boxes recently, and it messed up the page in bizarre ways. I fixed it by adding a "clear" template, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the real fix would be. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * And I should hasten to add – thanks for your help at my user talk. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:47, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything wrong with that page, except for the moral issues. It has no Linter errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:48, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks anyway! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Still interested?
Hi Jonesey95, hope you're well. Not heard from you for a while, are you still interested in the Infobox school cleaned up discussion? Everything is ready, just waiting for your comments in the discussion. Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:58, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've got it on my window of browser tabs to look at when I get an uninterrupted hour or two. That doesn't happen too often. I haven't forgotten about it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I see haha, thank you and whenever you're ready Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:47, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

GOCE 2018 Annual Report
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Old DYK Linter errors
Hello. I've noticed you've been going around the old closed DYK nomination pages and fixing Linter errors. While I recognise the effort but I would like to ask why are you going through the old DYKs to fix minor errors on pages that no-one is really going to look at again?  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 11:00, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Short answer: Because it's there. I am a gnome. I fix errors, even minor ones.


 * Longer answer: Linter errors in Template space can cause there to be errors in pages that transclude those templates, sometimes thousands of pages. For that reason, I have been paying special attention to Template space in cleaning up Linter errors. Template space is almost all cleaned up, except for obsolete HTML errors, which I am generally ignoring until there is a consensus that  and  and their ilk are truly deprecated for use on Wikipedia. As I go through the lists of errors in Template space, the DYK pages, which are inexplicably in Template space instead of a namespace that makes sense for those pages, clutter up the lists. I ignored them for a while for the reason you cite (nobody looks at them), but my patience finally expired, so I decided to start fixing them. I'm almost done. If DYKs were in a sensible namespace, I wouldn't be looking twice at them. I'd leave them for a bot to handle, since they are essentially Wikipedia space or Wikipedia Talk space pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:12, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested edit attribution
Hi, I noticed you merged my sandbox edits to Template:BillboardURLbyName in response to this edit request - thank you! Pedantic note: I think you forgot to attribute the changes in the edit summary? Just a heads up for the future. Colin M (talk) 17:27, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice work by you. I think my edit summary provides the necessary information for a reader to determine that I implemented your changes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Oregon State University Black History Month Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, Friday, February 8
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Re:How to use nowrap with ubl
Many thanks for the tip; didn't realise that ubl in that way would cause lint errors, but I have come to expect the unexpected! Cheers again. Craig (talk)  20:36, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep. It worked fine until they removed Tidy. Dealing with change is part of editing on Wikipedia, as it is with life. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Women's March on Portland
Hello, and Happy New Year! So, I just finished expanding Women's March on Portland, and I've requested a copy edit from GOCE and nominated the article for Good status. After soliciting feedback at WikiProject Oregon and Women in Red, I got some talk page feedback that kind of turned sideways. I'm not looking for any favoritism here, but if have any interest in the subject, I'd appreciate any thoughts you have about the article's content and the concerns raised on the talk page. Figured I'd ask since you tend to check in on my GOCE articles now and then anyway. Either way, happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:19, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I gave it a once-over, and it looks like you've done a good job with it. I would prefer not to wade into the back and forth about content. WP drama gives me a headache. – Jonesey95 (talk) 09:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You and I, both. Thank you very much for taking a look at the article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Help in editing an article
Hello!I ask for help in editing an article about the composer Rudolf Schumann, help me to make the article good and help with a good translation. I took information from other Wikipedia in other languages. Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shumann_Rudolf 91.205.239.8 (talk) 13:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The article has been deleted repeatedly. I suggest that rather than trying to evade that consensus decision, you build an article at Draft:Rudolf Schumann and submit it through the normal Articles for creation process. You will get good feedback instead of having your work deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:19, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

 * Thanks for the burger! If you're interested in fixing Linter errors (it's pretty tedious, but I find tedious gnome work satisfying and relaxing), take a look at my workflow and the LintHint tool. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

RfX report
Regarding this edit, I hope you should contact with the bot operator instead of editing directly Hhkohh (talk) 10:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You are too fast! I have pinged the operator. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

"Half the size of houses"
Hi Jonesey95! Thank you again for doing the copy edit of the Orenco station (TriMet) article. Much appreciated. However, if I recall correctly, the thing about the houses was that the article cited indeed mentioned that they were built "half the size" of typical homes built at the time (to fit more houses, and thus people, per acre). --Truflip99 (talk) 15:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The sentence would need more context then. Perhaps typical houses in exurban Portland were 8,000 square foot mansions at the time? Perhaps the lots were half the size of a typical lot? Something doesn't smell right. 4,000 square feet for a house is large, nearly twice the size of the average single-family house in the US (reference). Perhaps the size of the houses should be left out entirely, since it is two or three degrees removed from the nominal topic of the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Taking you up on your offer
I finished copyediting Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare and would appreciate some feedback. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 07:53, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well done! You greatly improved the prose (and other stuff). I made some additional minor changes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the help. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 21:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Help?
Any chance you could help me turn Template:Infobox Town AT/key into a template that can be substituted? I'm working on some template conversions and being able to substitute those values would same me a but load of work but I suck at the safesubst stuff... -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Me too. I needed a bunch of help to write the safesubst parts of Template:GOCE award. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

WPCleaner 2.0
--NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 08:33, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I tried for a while, but I was never able to get it to work on my Mac. I use it only for updating the list of ISBNs (I've never been able to figure out how to use the tool to edit articles), and the old version works fine. If it stops working, I'll work on figuring it out again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 08:38, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok. I plan on creating an installer for 2.0 that will be a lot easier to use than the manual procedure, I will tell you when it's ready. List of ISBN are now updated daily by User:PkbwcgsBot, so updating it is less relevant. I also plan to change the output of the list to avoid categorizing the page in Pages using ISBN magic links, the old version won't be compatible (this change is the todo list, but I really don't know when I will be able to do it). --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 08:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've created an installer, and I'm looking for people to test it. Would you be interested to give it a try? See WPCleaner/Installation. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 14:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I got it to work this time. I had already downloaded it, but I couldn't make it work last time. I don't know what happened differently this time. I added some more instructions to the page for Mac OS people. – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

MOS change
Do you dispute this? If not, one of us needs to make the same edit at the other location. ― Mandruss  &#9742;  22:54, 26 February 2019 (UTC) The RfC was specifically about code in infobox templatesand, as clarified during the RfC and in its close, code in "templates that are used primarily or exclusively in infobox transclusions". That's distinct from what your average editor does, which is not template code. Had I chosen to widen the scope, I think the odds of a consensus would have been greatly reduced; or at least that was my judgment when I started the RfC. One might infer one from the other, but not to the extent of citing the RfC in that guideline (even in a hidden comment). The long-standing guideline itself represents at least a strong de facto consensus, and most likely there is a old discussion buried deep in some archive to back it up. But, if necessary, we can always run another RfC to affirm the guideline, and then cite that one in the hidden comment. I think your case was an outlier involving an editor who doesn't know that Wikipedia never outright forbids anything. I'm not aware of much resistance when I link to the guideline; certainly no reverts that generate a notification. The main hurdle is increasing awareness of the guideline, and new smalls are no doubt being added every day. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  05:57, 27 February 2019 (UTC) remove "small" from infobox per MOS:SMALLFONT ;; this is an accessibility issue &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  06:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I do dispute it, but not enough to revert it. It does not make sense to me that the instructions, or the RFC, would apply to the infobox templates themselves but not to the actual articles they are used in. If small tags and templates are used inside of infoboxes, they cause accessibility problems, so they are not allowed. I've gotten pushback, most recently at User talk:Neutralhomer, so I wanted to be as explicit as possible about the instructions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:29, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * What you had there was a routine content dispute, at least in the prevailing community view. I took a dispute like that to ANI once and it immediately became a low-participation discussion about the guideline (a different guideline). Lacking any ANI will to enforce the long-standing guideline, other participation at the article, and a desire to start an RfC over such a minor issue, I was forced to give up and move on. I'm over it now. I note that you linked to the RfC in your opening comment and that did not prevent the pushback.
 * This is my standard edit summary (I think it also helps to mention accessibility and link to that).
 * I use a similar edit summary, though I could probably improve it a bit using your example. I have removed quite a few small tags from infoboxes in articles and from infobox/navbox templates, and it is rare to get pushback. It does happen, though, so I added the text about tags in order to clarify the accessibility issues. Reasonable editors will read the guideline text as it is currently written and understand; I don't expect every single editor to be reasonable or to be willing/able to read and understand English prose, however. Competence is required exists because someone had to write it, after all.
 * As for ANI, I try very hard to stay away. I was taken there once and encountered a series of editors, including multiple admins, who either refused to read the relevant policies or were unable to understand what those policies said. It was a nightmare. As I told the editor in this case, I am not going to continue reverting over a couple of tags that another editor is likely to remove someday. The arc of editing is long, but it bends toward accessibility. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I have reverted at WWNR and commented very briefly at the UTP. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  13:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I have reverted at WWNR and commented very briefly at the UTP. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  13:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Damn you
The following is said with TONS of sarcasm.... So I step in to defend your honor and you make me look like a TOTAL ass... Thanks a lot! :-p You are, of course, correct in your assessment of needing to AGF. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, if the (donkey) shoe fits.... Life is too short. If you want to see additional fun, take a look at my contributions in the User Talk space a few days ago (I'd rather not link directly, for reasons you will see). Good stuff. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Pounds head on desk.... People like that make me weep for humanity. Reminds me of a certain user who is highly involved in Chembox... -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:53, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

PNCA Art+Feminism Wikipedia Editathon, Saturday, March 9
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International Women's Day Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, Oregon Jewish Museum, Thursday, March 7
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Basil II
Hi Jonesey; This was my fault; thanks for fixing it. I was a bit tired last night, so 'duh' to me for that one! :) Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  18:36, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No trouble at all. I usually take a look at each Request to see if I can give it a quick once-over for easy MOS fixes before copy-editors get to work. When I saw you were already working on it, I made a mental note to come in when you were done and see if anything needed tidying (I really don't like causing edit conflicts if I can avoid it). I didn't even look at your edits; I just jumped in and fixed my usual easy MOS things, which took only a couple of minutes. Teamwork is good. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:48, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

White Owl Social Club
White Owl Social Club has been nominated for speedy deletion as well. I've asked Graywalls if they can slow down with the merging and deletions. Logging in and finding I have to scramble to rescue many articles at once is difficult. They have even hinted at deleting article which have survived AfDs: Talk:Nuestra Cocina. No need to take action unless you feel inclined, but I think AfD is more appropriate than speedy deletion here. The Elephants Deli article should never have been deleted. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, this is ridiculous, but I feel like I need to walk away from this discussion, which is clearly going in circles. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:05, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * G11 was clearly not applicable, and the article as written passed WP:GNG. I have removed the speedy tag.
 * It may be worth contemplating why you continue to get notices and deletion nominations from multiple editors about the stub articles that you have been creating. It has been going on for a while, and it may be worth asking about it at a place like Wikipedia talk:Notability or some other forum.
 * It is unclear to me why they are so hot for your articles, which are stubby but always have at least a couple of reliable sources, since there are (just to pick one example) thousands of articles about pop and rock singles that are essentially unreferenced and make no claim of notability (see this discussion for a little fun). Unfortunately, the claim that other (much worse) stuff exists never goes over well with deletionists who are apparently monitoring the new pages feed instead of working on backlogs of old cruft. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , I understand stubs can easily be mistaken as pages about non-notable topics, and that perhaps I should put more effort into new pages. But, I also see value in creating stubs when that's what time and energy allow. I just wish concerns could be raised via talk page discussions and redirecting before immediately jumping to speedy deletion or even AfD. I don't mind having these discussions, but having several at the same time is tricky. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:20, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It is unclear to me why they are so hot for your articles, which are stubby but always have at least a couple of reliable sources, since there are (just to pick one example) thousands of articles about pop and rock singles that are essentially unreferenced and make no claim of notability (see this discussion for a little fun). Unfortunately, the claim that other (much worse) stuff exists never goes over well with deletionists who are apparently monitoring the new pages feed instead of working on backlogs of old cruft. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , I understand stubs can easily be mistaken as pages about non-notable topics, and that perhaps I should put more effort into new pages. But, I also see value in creating stubs when that's what time and energy allow. I just wish concerns could be raised via talk page discussions and redirecting before immediately jumping to speedy deletion or even AfD. I don't mind having these discussions, but having several at the same time is tricky. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:20, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Bit House Saloon has been restored (thankfully). I've started a discussion at WPORE re: whether or not this draft should appear in the main space. Looks good to me, but I will let others weigh in. Thanks again for your help across several articles recently. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:23, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you want to keep creating sourced stubs, and if editors are putting CSD notices on pages like White Owl Social Club that (technically) pass WP:GNG and do not meet the speedy criterion that has been applied, you may need to post warnings on those editors' talk pages explaining that they are misapplying the CSD templates. If they continue to do it, you'll have a valid case for a dispute. The editor in question clearly failed to apply the CSD criteria correctly in this case. Also, if admins are deleting articles that pass WP:GNG or do not fit the CSD criterion in question, you should post to their talk pages ... carefully. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I can't thank you enough for following all these different conversations. Graywalls and Deb really leaned in hard, and in some cases I'm not sure they are fully understanding guidelines. Setting that aside, I'm glad you're willing to weigh in at so many different places at once, especially given I'm struggling to keep up myself. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:21, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Unfortunately, this is not my first encounter with editors who simply refuse to read the relevant guidelines/policy or are unable to understand the words in them. It is doubly disappointing when those editors also have the administrator tools, but again, it is not my first encounter with admins who either can't read or won't read. I know that being an admin is a lot of drudge work and involves a lot of negative feedback from pedants like me, which is why template editor permissions are as much as I am willing to take on, and why my edits are almost exclusively gnome/cleanup edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

sigh. I'm really looking forward to this little wave of frustration ending hopefully sooner than later. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:12, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The editor is very new, just having passed 500 edits. We'll see if they burn out or move on to some other obsession, as editors sometimes do. From their edit history, I think they are very interested in Portland topics, however, so your paths will probably continue to cross. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

map caption template
Thanks for the fix. Looks good in the couple that I've checked out (Irish Free State, Pakistan). Others including Angola and Bolivia use, which appears to use px instead of % to specify tiny text. That looks a bit more complicated; would you accept a vaguely-worded edit request there? ― Mandruss  &#9742;  21:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That template is a bit of a mess. I don't know why it has so many forced spaces in it. I have removed the small font size formatting, and it looks fine to me (except for the extra spaces, which I didn't mess with). – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks again. In my next life I plan to learn template coding; if I were younger and not burned out I'd do it in this one. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:25, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Quick request
Aloha. When you have a moment, can you please review my edit request on Template_talk:Infobox_university? GeekInParadise (talk) 22:01, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Emily Heller has been accepted
<div style="border:solid 1px #57DB1E; background:#E6FFE6; padding:1em; padding-top:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.5em; width:20em; color:black; margin-bottom: 1.5em; margin-left: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> Emily Heller, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! Bkissin (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_talk/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Emily_Heller help desk] .
 * If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider.
 * Thanks, ! And thanks also to for starting the draft. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Emily Heller
I won't userfy it in a normal fashion, since your creation of the page would make everything rather awkward: I'd have to move the existing page, delete the redirect, restore the deleted one, move the formerly-deleted one, delete the redirect, move the existing page back, and delete the redirect. So instead, here are the entire contents, written by User:Msahai94. Emily Heller is an Actress, Stand-Up, Writer, Podcaster, and Voice-Actor from the San Francisco Bay area. She is related to Marielle Heller and Nate Heller. Emily has acted in the show Ground Floor on TBS and has provided voices for characters on Season 2 of Bojack Horseman. She is a stand-up comedian who has been featured twice on Conan O'Brien as well as on he third season of John Oliver’s New York Stand Up Show on Comedy Central. She has been named a comic to watch by both Variety and Comedy Central. Emily Heller has worked as a writer on the Fox show Surviving Jack. In 2015 she recorded her first comedy album, to be released in the near future.

Alongside Lisa Hanawalt, Emily Co-Hosts a podcast on the Maximum Fun podcast network called Baby Geniuses, which is dedicated to sharing niche knowledge and featuring improvisers who pose as experts on bizarre topics. Segments of the podcast include One on Fun (A.K.A. "Ask Me Ask You") in which Emily and Lisa ask one another a question about themselves often in 'would you rather' format, Wiki of the Week in which they feature an obscure wikipedia page sent in by a listener, Chunch Chat in which they discuss updates on Martha Stewart's horse Ben Chunch (debatably referred to as Ban Chunch on Martha's blog), and feature a guest and an "expert" (improviser posing as an expert in a bizarre field).

Emily has mentioned on her podcast that she has autonomous sensory meridian response (ASMR) and often enjoys watching ASMR videos on youtube to calm herself down. Anything else? Let me know and I'll do my best to help. Nyttend (talk) 02:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . That is helpful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. It was easier because it was all written by one person, so attribution compliance would be satisfied with written by User:Msahai94.  I would have considered the complicated move-pages-around process if it had been useful content, but...clearly not :-)  Nyttend (talk) 11:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Klang Valley area lines
Template:Klang Valley area lines has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kb03 (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

BMI Awards
The source says the song was among the most performed r&b/hip-hop awards so it is not a false claim just needed editing on my part and I've added again. --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

GOCE requests
Thanks for correcting me. Somehow I read "one in time". Eurohunter (talk) 12:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

/Ruben Katsobashvili (businessman) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect /Ruben Katsobashvili (businessman). Since you had some involvement with the /Ruben Katsobashvili (businessman) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:58, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox music festival
The change you made to the template appears to have broken it for some pages, where the text "" is now appearing when no entry is specified. See Hardly Strictly Bluegrass for example.

-- AtomCrusher (talk) 14:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Fixed. -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sloppy work by me. My apologies, and thanks to for fixing it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Ping
Sorry, I forgot to ping you here, if you care to add any comment. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

How did you create this maintenance category? I'm curious!
I'm astonished how quickly you pulled up a maintenance category. What tool did you use to create it? How would you go through the members and fix all the errors, by hand one by one or is there a tool you recommend that can speed things up? I'd like to learn how to do maintenance in an efficient way with some coding, ideally. Any reference material appreciated! Micronor (talk) 21:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I added parameter checking to the template in this edit. As for fixing these errors, I think one-by-one is the best method in this case, because editors have probably put all sorts of values in the wrong places, and resolving the problems will require a human brain. 162 errors is not that many. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

ISBN errors
Hi. I done a an update of the ISBN errors with PkbwcgsBot today. However, it deleted all the pages on the list. Is it true that every single ISBN error is fixed? It done the same with ISSN errors as well. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:05, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging, who may know why this is happening. I tried running WPCleaner 2.0, and it said it ran fine and updated the page, but it did not update the page. Instead, it popped up a window called "Information", containing the contents that should have been put onto the page. I copied and pasted the contents manually, but that is a workaround, not a solution. Strange. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:57, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. I didn't have much internet access lately, so I couldn't check. First, I thought it was due to the damages done to the configuration page by Metalwolf877, but apparently not... I will try to check what the problem is during the week. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 12:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , . I've found that the update of the page was returning an error due to docdroid.net being forbidden: I modified Girl, Interrupted so that it wouldn't be reported as an ISBN error, and reran the update of the list and it worked. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 19:21, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well done. I made a note on the talk page for the ISBN error page, in case it happens again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:38, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Country data Lebanon
Hi, I've made a request at Template talk:Country data Lebanon regarding the addition of another flag variant. Could you please take a look at it? Thanks, <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;color:#27B382">1499</b> (<b style="font-size:80%;color:#a9a9a9">talk</b>) 14:38, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Drive graph oddness
Hi Jonesey; I can't seem to get the progress graphs in the current Drive page to render properly. I did the midnight update and it's all gone a bit screwy, displaying '0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1' under the horizontal axes. What am I doing incorrectly? old version. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  01:29, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I've fixed it; it seems necessary to define the min and max parameters for the axes. Odd. I'm clearly wearing the juice today! :) Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  06:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I had added xtype=string to the graph parameters to prevent this problem, but it was removed somewhere. I have re-added it, which appears to have fixed the problem, at least in my browser. Your addition of xaxismax parameters also does the trick, but it looks like my addition of the type=string parameter overrides the fixed maxima. The max parameter makes the blue line very short in the early part of the month; that may or may not be what we want, I don't really care either way. If you want to re-add the max parameters (and remove my string parameters), go for it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:22, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the graphs, I couldn't find out what the problem was, even after looking at (and copying over) graphs from older drives. I'm happy as long as it works properly... now let's see if I mess it up again tonight! :D Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  21:56, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Userspace draft reference error
Hi Jonesey95. An article I'm developing in my userspace, User:Lord Bolingbroke/John Bunny, is currently placed in the hidden category User pages with reference errors. I can't figure out what is causing the cite error—would you be willing to look at the page to see if you can spot what's going on? I see you're currently on a wikibreak, but I'd like to leave you a note before it slips my mind. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:26, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I couldn't figure it out. I posted a note at Help talk:Cite errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:49, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Found and fixed (worked around, really) with some help. Apparently, the error message would have appeared in red once the page was moved to article space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:54, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help! Do you know what exactly was causing the error? Placing a quotation in the  parameter of sfn is described as a valid usage in the template documentation. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 22:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * In User:Lord Bolingbroke/John Bunny you had this:
 * and this:
 * The former renders this html:
 * the latter renders this html:
 * In article space these will result in the glaring red error message (reduced here to be less glaring):
 * Reference that share the same name must have the same content.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:38, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the detailed explanation . On taking a second look at the sfn documentation, I see that this error is described in a note beneath the examples of the  parameter. I'm not sure how I missed this note the first time; sorry to trouble you! Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 00:46, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It wasn't there until I added it as I wrote my reply to you.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:56, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I could have sworn it wasn't there! I was confused because I was looking for your diff in the revision history of Template:Sfn/doc; I see now that the note is transcluded from Template:Harvard citation documentation. Thanks again! Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 01:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:38, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the detailed explanation . On taking a second look at the sfn documentation, I see that this error is described in a note beneath the examples of the  parameter. I'm not sure how I missed this note the first time; sorry to trouble you! Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 00:46, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It wasn't there until I added it as I wrote my reply to you.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:56, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I could have sworn it wasn't there! I was confused because I was looking for your diff in the revision history of Template:Sfn/doc; I see now that the note is transcluded from Template:Harvard citation documentation. Thanks again! Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 01:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Maintenance cats
Hey, I think I saw a edit summary once where you restricted articles in a maint category to article-space only. If that is non-controversial, can you do that for some templates that I am monitoring? My list is here and some (but not all) of the non-zero ones are due to errors in testcases, drafts, other misc stuff. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB (talk • contribs)
 * , I posted a request on two Module Talk pages, since I don't know enough about Lua to make the change you seek. I didn't see any other templates that need changing. If you know of one that is still not limited to main (article) space, please list it here, and I'll see what I can do. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I managed to adjust Module:Infobox body of water tracking. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:48, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Category:Pages using infobox body of water with a non-automatically converted dimension


 * Category:Pages using infobox school with deprecated parameters


 * Category:Pages using infobox school with multiple external links


 * Category:Wikipedia page with obscure country


 * Category:Pages using infobox shopping mall with unsupported parameters


 * all have non-article "clutter". <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 16:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Category:Wikipedia page with obscure country is done. I'll take a look at the others. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I added another to the list above. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 03:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

✅. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * New one Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 00:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * May not be possible. It looks like the category is sometimes assigned by Mediawiki, not by the coord Template or Module. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Also Category:Infobox military person image param needs updating <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 23:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Dylan O'Brien
On the talk page for Dylan O'Brien's webpage, you claim that the Daily Mail is not a reliable. While the Daily Mail is not peer-reviewed, no peer-reviewed source would have information on Dylan's personal life. I did not make the original edit, or use the Daily Mail as a source, but for pop-culture references the Daily Mail is a reliable source, it's error rate is no greater than any other major western paper.
 * See this discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:08, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

May 2019
Thank you for your edits on Miss Panamá 2015. I just wanted to take a moment to deliver a more personalized extension of my gratitude for your work on the article than just the push of a button. I had started into it thanks to Typo Team's MOSS project, but just didn't have the time to go through it all and pull out all that extra bold formatting. Answering the call of the Copy/edit tag is always a great kindness. Your patience and thoroughness is appreciated. Cheers! Elfabet (talk) 16:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I didn't have the energy to give it a full copy-edit, as I did with Miss Panamá 2016, but I got it started so that the eventual copy-edit would not be as daunting. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:50, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Template:DE metadata Wikidata
Hi Jonesy95, the tracking cat you setup has caught a lot of errors with this template. I didn't make it and don't fully understand the interactions with Template:Infobox German location where it is embedded. Everything seems ok, for example in this test diff I added the template directly into the article and it returned empty strings ie. nothing available on Wikidata. But the Infobox thinks there is data available and when it gets none generates a red error on the area field. Do you have any ideas what might be happening? -- Green  C  14:20, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Fixed. -- Green  C  15:21, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks like this edit stopped those area errors from putting articles in the category. Now they just need to be purged out. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Book talk:Crag martins
In Book talk:Crag martins, your edit "Hack to work around Linter error and keep the genus name reverse-italicized" is successful in not having linter errors, but it un-italicizes the genus name. The rules of nomenclature require genus and species names to be in italics whether or not the surrounding text is in italics. My markup is:

generating

or in short, :  The genus Ptyonoprogne 

Your markup is:

generating

or in short, :  The genus Ptyonoprogne 

To follow the rules of nomenclature while still having the italics stand out, I'd recommend

generating

or in short, :  The genus Ptyonoprogne 

—Anomalocaris (talk) 18:52, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I have always seen straight text used within italics to indicate that the straight text would have been italicized normally, as in this WP page's explanation. I don't see it mentioned at all in MOS, which seems like an omission, but I might be missing it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:48, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I thought I saw somewhere on Wikipedia that the rule is that genus and species stay in italics even where embedded in italics. However, the two sources referenced from the page you linked to, as well as other sources outside Wikipedia, support flipping genus and species out of italics where embedded in italics. So at this point, I support any version that (1) has the genus and species in the opposite italic state from the surrounding phrase and (2) is lint-free. Your version satisfies both, so I'm OK with it. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

add TFD notice
Could you add the TFD notice to Template:Infobox_Ukrainian_raion, see Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_May_22. 89.12.75.224 (talk) 19:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please consider registering for an account so that you can use the Twinkle gadget to easily perform these edits yourself, create and follow a Watchlist, and more. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:25, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Not a nationality
I agree, but clearly people aren't getting that memo, like the editor doing this: Jayjg (talk) 13:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That disruptive editor has been reverted and told to stop making those invalid edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Chaim_Rumkowski
Your second response to edit-protected is confusing. It says "already done". You wee probably thinking "already answered", but the edit was not done. I think you must make the second answer the same as the first one in this page. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:28, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Koya
I saw your reversion over at Kingdom of Koya; Moribu Kindo was created today which may be related. Just an F.Y.I. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 21:20, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of link language wrapper templates (June 2019)
A discussion has started about wrapper templates of Link language. You may be interested in participating because you participated in a related previous discussion. E^pi*i batch (talk) 03:05, 10 June 2019 (UTC) ( is my main account.)

GOCE June newsletter
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July 2019 GOCE drive bling
The drive had the highest editor participation since May 2015, and brought the copy editing backlog to a record low of 585 articles! Much thanks for taking part! – Reidgreg (talk) 23:50, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Did you ...
... consider the impact of this change. On pages with sports events it's common that templates like, , , , and many more variations are used. E.g. now results in, where in the past it resulted in. As you can see I can change the linkname. This by using the name parameter. The default linkname, displayed is the name defined in. So "North Macedonia". Adding the {para|name}} parameter, as in, sets the linkname to "Macedonia". But that isn't all. In case of the link name is a link to the page North Macedonia national junior handball team (page doesn't exist). In the past this was the page Macedonia national junior handball team. By using the name parameter I can change the linkname displayed, but I cannot change the actual page to where the link goes.

In June 2018 the country name was changed from Macedonia (actually Fyr Macedonia) to North Macedonia. So we have over 20 years with sports events in which teams/players/athletes from Macedonia compeated. We have just over 1 year with sports events in which teams/players/athletes from North Macedonia compeat(ed). By changing the template there are an awfull lot of pages which now show wrongly North Macedonia instead of Macedonia. By using the name parameter the name displayed can be changed. However a lot of work. And furthermore changing the display name is not enough. Also something has to be done about the page the link results to. In some cases redirects might solve it. But not by definition you want a link from a ".... North Macedonia ....." page to a corresponding ".... Macedonia ....." page or vice versa. In case the redirect is undesired, there's, as I see it, no way to correct it unless all the templates like, , , , are changed. Besides the name parameter, there should be introduced an extra parameter to change the target page.

All in all, yes Macedonia is now North Macedonia. There should be a solution for this name change as of April 2018. But a simple change of the template causes a lot of incorrect pages. Maybe we should introduce a template, similar like. For sure, changing only the template is not the answer. --Sb008 (talk) 20:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Apparently you don't care since you don't bother to answer. --Sb008 (talk) 13:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * @Sb008: perhaps you didn't notice that Editor Jonesey95 is away on wikibreak. See the top of this page
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:57, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Then why did he/she make an edit on 26 July, 3 days after my post? --Sb008 (talk) 14:41, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't know. I just wanted to point out that Editor Jonesey95 is away.  It is not for me to know the reason for or explain another editor's actions.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:20, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * --Sb008 (talk) 14:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sb008, Jonesey95 is on an extended wikibreak while travelling. He'll be back in a few days, according to his page header; while you're waiting you might want to read this page. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  06:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the note. I was simply implementing a requested change to the template based on a talk page edit request that appeared reasonable to me. I understand that historic teams could reasonably be referred to using the former country name, but the template does not currently allow for that. There is probably a better talk page where this could be discussed, since I do not have any subject-specific knowledge that will help you. Perhaps Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Macedonia) would be appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I've been a bit inaccurate. The problems are not caused by your change but by this change (redirect). I've seen the naming convention discussion. North Macedonia is the correct name right now. But prior to June 2018 it doesn't apply yet. At that time the name was still Fyr of Macedonia. The change of the redirect causes that even for sports events prior to the name change not the at that time accurate old name but the new is used. --Sb008 (talk) 22:15, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

August 2019 blitz bling
Hope this finds you well. FYI, we've had a bit of discussion at REQ talk about having a bot archive requests. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

CS1 errors
I found this hilarious. While I support the change that was made, clearly we got some surprise elsewhere. =) --Izno (talk) 14:11, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:43, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

dead-url?
Hey I see you auto-fixing some url-status parameters. Did the community ever come to any conclusion on dead-url and the "must have website=" or whatever it was? Many thanks. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 22:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The requirement to have a value for website was reverted pending further discussion. dead-url is deprecated and is being replaced with url-status. See this discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
For a second I was suddenly very afraid I'd broken something.

I'll keep plugging away, and if it's OK, since I'm not a programmer and I'm feeling my way through this, do you think it'd be alright if I gave you a progress report every so often? That would be an added layer of protection. And thank you for watching out for things.

You know, I've been on Wikipedia for 12 years, some 140,000 edits, created well over a hundred pages and a few shortcuts such as WP:DATED ... but this is something new.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:41, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I admire your ambition! Remember that as with the main article space, things you edit and create in Template space are a live part of Wikipedia. Creating documentation for a feature that does not yet exist is fine, but it should be hidden from readers, or (in the case of Cite organization) clearly marked as a sandbox, or draft, or experimental page until it is ready to use. Keep going, but keep in mind the naive editor who stumbles across your work and thinks that it is something real instead of a test or a draft. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:23, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * That's nice of you to say ... thank you.


 * I've put in a request for a technical move to restore the sandbox page I'd originally had. Hopefully they'll do that in a day or so.


 * Question: An editor who codes — and who seems to agree in theory that a template should be allowed for those who want to use the mainstream Chicago Manual of Style though he himself dislikes CMOS — is saying that CS1 cannot be adapted to CMOS. This confuses me since CS1 itself says, "Wikipedia does not have a single house style" — giving me the impression CS1 can be used for different styles. I've asked for clarification, but he seems to be getting impatient with me since, and I understand, not everyone has time to help an editor with questions. And I certainly don't want to abuse your own graciousness and take undue time, but might you be able to clarify? Could an existing CS1 template be adapted to change the names and punctuations of two fields? Or is that technically impossible?


 * Thank you again for taking the time to answer a question. With regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 12:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's a different phrasing that may help. The English Wikipedia does not have a single house style for citations. This means that many different citation styles are in use on Wikipedia articles, though each article should have an internally consistent style. Citation Style 1 (CS1) is a style that is in use on many articles. The Chicago Manual of Style (CMOS) recommends a style that is different from CS1. This means that CS1 templates (cite web, cite book, etc.) cannot be used in articles that use strict CMOS styling. Editors are welcome to use CMOS on articles, but not CMOS and CS1 at the same time on a single articles.
 * My understanding is that modifying CS1 modules to render CMOS style based on a parameter is technically possible (cs2 is used to render a slight variation on CS1 called Citation Style 2), but then they wouldn't really be CS1 modules – they would be all-purpose multi-style citation modules, creating additional demands on the only person who is both willing and able to program the CS1 modules at this time. Someone who knows how to program Lua modules could probably copy the CS1 code to "Module:CMOS", modify the italics/bold/punctuation and parameter names as needed, and use those Module pages to create "Template:Cite book CMOS" or something similar. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that modifying CS1 modules to render CMOS style based on a parameter is technically possible (cs2 is used to render a slight variation on CS1 called Citation Style 2), but then they wouldn't really be CS1 modules – they would be all-purpose multi-style citation modules, creating additional demands on the only person who is both willing and able to program the CS1 modules at this time. Someone who knows how to program Lua modules could probably copy the CS1 code to "Module:CMOS", modify the italics/bold/punctuation and parameter names as needed, and use those Module pages to create "Template:Cite book CMOS" or something similar. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Again, thank you (with italics!). I think if I could start at the root, I could figure how to build it out. I see there are many "Module:Lua" pages. Which should I start with?
 * This is an odd feeling ... I've helped so many editors who come to me for advice or to learn how to do things, and I feel sheepish asking for help myself. I appreciate your kindness.--Tenebrae (talk)
 * The CS1 module pages are at Module:Citation/CS1. You would want to copy them to something like Module:Citation/CMOS/sandbox. A warning: they are not simple to understand. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:21, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

er?
yeah, thanks, but he's dead... 184.101.152.80 (talk) 21:52, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I was just trying to fulfill an edit request from the talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:13, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Mpemba effect
Hello Jonesey95, in last February, you removed two pictures from Mpemba effect stating that "photos are not related to this effect". Could you tell me why these pictures are not related to the Mpemba effect. They are inside the Mpemba effect category on Commons. So I would like to know what do you think about these pictures. On which effect are they related, if not to Mpemba effect? Thanks in advance. Pamputt (talk) 14:40, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Your question is answered in detail at Talk:Mpemba effect and many other places on the web. The categorization on Commons appears to be incorrect. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:07, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

A Request
Hi Jonesey95, recently I was working on the article India national football team at the Olympics, nominated it for GA status, which was turned down because of certain reasons which you can see at the article talk page. All other reasons are solved working with the other editor. But one major problem for the article is grammatical errors for which it was turned down. The editor also asked to go for copyedit. So I think you have been one of the prolific copy editors here. Can you please do it for the article. Will be thankful to you. Dey subrata (talk) 14:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * For best results, submit a request at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've requested there. Dey subrata (talk) 16:16, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

September 2019 GOCE Newsletter
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More than the citations
After looking at your comment about the film 2001 this seems to be more than a citations only issue. I had accepted the GA rating in good faith, though the article itself may not meet these standards. Possible contacting the top editors at that page might help in re-doing the citations in an organized way and updating the supporting prose for updated citations. Are there editors at Wikipedia that specialize in citations and making them all consistent that could join the editing? CodexJustin (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to help make the citations consistent, but I can't help with things like missing page numbers. Someone with access to sources needs to clean those up. Let me know if there is nobody at the article's talk page who is willing to clean up, and I'll come by and do what I can. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:48, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks like most of the cites do have page numbers; only #34, #37, #44 appear to have cite page number requests. These page numbers appear to be for #34 Agel (1970), pp24-25; for #37 Clarke (1972), pp31-38; for #44 Richter (2002), p135. If you need any more then ping me and I'll see if I can find them. Maybe this can give you a start to make all of the citations consistent. CodexJustin (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have made a bunch of corrections. More are needed, and I found a bunch of book cites with missing pages. Find some friends with access to sources, or who are at least willing to add dates to citations without them, and make it better. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:30, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Its possible for me to start this, though there appears little assist from the top editors of the article there. From my first comments, if you can start to update the different formats in the cites, footnote #186 is page 3 which I added in the References section, and appears to be in harvard format. Footnote #171 by Leonard Wheat now has the page number added and appears to be in sfn. I can keep moving through the list of page number requests a few at a time, though there appear to be contrasting formats in the cites I encounter there when I add page numbers. Most of the page numbers do come up automatically on Google Books if one pulls up the cited book with selective key words added. Possibly you can start to merge the different formats for consistency. CodexJustin (talk) 15:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Add the page numbers to (or near) the sfn or harvnb templates, or into the plain text citations that are left, and I'll clean it up for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * More added today. The aggregator scores were all done retroactively, and neither site time stamps their scores, although they both appear to have been taken sometime in 2019 if that helps. Are you keeping both sfn and harvard cites side by side. CodexJustin (talk) 14:48, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * My plan is to convert the sfn cites to harv cites so that they will be consistent in their punctuation and so that the code is easier to read. Some harv cites are used in-line inside <ref ></ref> tags, unlike sfn cites, which are stand-alone and include their own <ref ></ref> tags, so I think that will make harv cites a better option overall if we are choosing one. I am open to other options; your input is welcome, and we should probably mention the plan at the talk page in case someone wants to object on CITEVAR grounds. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * There are alot of "when" notations on footnotes 195-205 and around there... what dates am I to update, accessdates, retrieve dates? Let me know which dates you need verified. The cites are largely all to AFI lists of which 2001-the-film is one of the entries. CodexJustin (talk) 17:13, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The "when" notations indicate that the date parameter, indicating when the cited article or other item was published, is missing from a citation. Fix them like this. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:01, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The Awards table at the end of the article had many tags, which I think are now taken care of. That was the last tag to my view, let me know if I missed any, otherwise the article looks like its ready for conversion to all harv cites. CodexJustin (talk) 19:27, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice work. I'll get to work on it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I'm done. The only error I see right now is a missing article title in this citation: "Houston, Penelope (Spring 1971). Sight and Sound International Film Quarterly. London: British Film Institute." – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

WP:BOWDLERIZE
Hi. I'm reaching out regarding your update at Idalia Ramos Rangel. If you consult the source, the quote actually reads with the censored version, using the (***). From what I understand from the guideline, the original quote is always a priority. Technically speaking, writing it as you wrote is is no longer a direct quote. MX ( ✉  •  ✎  ) 20:43, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I consulted the source linked at the end of the sentence, but I was unable to find any direct quotations. I looked again, and I see that you are absolutely correct. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:56, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

GMO topics
Kingofaces43 (talk) 19:46, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * As the above alert says, the template is entirely informative since you've drifted into editing some GMO related topics and not implying serious wrongdoing in this case. That said, some of the text you edited was right next to the notice that said not to change anything. In short, the WP:GMORFC was held to "lock in" text under the discretionary sanctions. That includes any change, so that's why I had to revert your edits even though they were good-faith corrections. The linter errors came up with some previous recent discussions, and are being included in corrections worked on to the RfC language, so they're on the radar for future fixes at least. Sorry for the confusion. Kingofaces43 (talk) 19:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the note. There are a number of editors working on high-priority Linter errors in article space, so don't be surprised if the harmless changes I inflicted on Genetically modified food and its ilk are repeated on all of those GMO articles.
 * I didn't see any mention of Lint or Linter (I did a Find on the page) in the RFC; can you please point me to where that discussion of "corrections worked on to the RfC language" is happening?
 * In other news, there are 344(!) Linter errors on that RFC page, which I would normally fix, and which are negatively affecting the rendering of the page, but I'll let someone else handle that prickly porcupine. Also, there was one in your message above (I have fixed it, since this is my talk page). Good luck with everything! – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised that template threw an error, but at least that one I can go fix right now. Thanks. I don't think the RfC page can be altered at this point, so the errors might have to remain there.
 * For the GMO articles, this isn't the first time this has happened. Discussion has jumped across a few pages, but most recently ended up at Tryptofish's talk page at User_talk:Tryptofish and edits in my sandbox. My time is erratic this week, but I might look into starting the process at WP:AE next week to get it fixed. There wouldn't be anything on the RfC page itself at this point. It's kind of an odd process I know. Kingofaces43 (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. At this point, the way I see it is that editors who are fixing minor stuff but not otherwise involved in GMO content should just go ahead and make the edits. At the same time, and somewhat contradicting myself, I think that it will be important to follow the DS procedures at AE for making the more extensive corrections that KofA and I have been planning, so that there won't be wikilawyering when someone else comes along and wants to change the content without consensus. I've been apologizing to KofA for the fact that I haven't had time to do the AE request, and in fact I'm now getting ready to travel to the Society for Neuroscience meeting, which will keep me completely away from WP for about a week. I hope that when I get back from that, I'll be less distracted from editing issues. If anyone thinks it's important that I get it done before I leave town, please tell me and I will try to. But otherwise, I hope to get to it when I get back. KofA, even if you want to do it yourself, I'd prefer to be around to respond to questions while it's going on. OK? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll entirely hold off until you're ready as I know how meetings go (I have a month until my big ones start). I just thought I'd throw the idea out there since I had time in case you just wanted someone to get the ball rolling, but I'd rather we both be available when the time comes. No rush. I for one won't mind not having to be in the odd position of reverting error corrections anymore, so I agree if those types of changes are made again before the AE, I'll leave them be. Kingofaces43 (talk) 21:42, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. At this point, the way I see it is that editors who are fixing minor stuff but not otherwise involved in GMO content should just go ahead and make the edits. At the same time, and somewhat contradicting myself, I think that it will be important to follow the DS procedures at AE for making the more extensive corrections that KofA and I have been planning, so that there won't be wikilawyering when someone else comes along and wants to change the content without consensus. I've been apologizing to KofA for the fact that I haven't had time to do the AE request, and in fact I'm now getting ready to travel to the Society for Neuroscience meeting, which will keep me completely away from WP for about a week. I hope that when I get back from that, I'll be less distracted from editing issues. If anyone thinks it's important that I get it done before I leave town, please tell me and I will try to. But otherwise, I hope to get to it when I get back. KofA, even if you want to do it yourself, I'd prefer to be around to respond to questions while it's going on. OK? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll entirely hold off until you're ready as I know how meetings go (I have a month until my big ones start). I just thought I'd throw the idea out there since I had time in case you just wanted someone to get the ball rolling, but I'd rather we both be available when the time comes. No rush. I for one won't mind not having to be in the odd position of reverting error corrections anymore, so I agree if those types of changes are made again before the AE, I'll leave them be. Kingofaces43 (talk) 21:42, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Explaining my recent edits in 1994 onwards so you can understand
They may not mean anything to you, but its to signify the logos are only seen at the end of said movies The only exceptions would those where all the logos are only seen at the end like Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbor iirc, whatever that 2007 movie was called that involved Revolution Studios, Beacon and Walden Media (i forgot the name)

I hope you can why i did this Quintonshark8713 (talk) 23:53, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about your edits to articles like 1998 in film, the reason that I reverted your edits is that they were unsourced and full of broken wikicode. If you insist on adding unsourced material, which you should not do, please forgo the <small ></small> tags. If you insist on <small ></small> tags, which you should not do, please ensure that you have at the start of the small text and  at the end of the small text. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Alright I get it

Next time I do it again, I'll do the suggested thing to do with the small tags

Also, about the so called "unsourced material" I double check by either remember correctly if I seen it before or look up "closing of *insert movie here*" on YouTube to see if there's any logos at the end Quintonshark8713 (talk) 12:41, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

And by remember correctly, I mean remember correctly by heart - EDIT: and to be fair, i only didn't bother doing the "<small ></small>" tag thing because i was lazy lol Quintonshark8713 (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hyphens in cite template
Hi Jonesey95, just letting you know that in fact for the page/pages parameter in the cite tag, the documentation encourages us to use hyphen. "If hyphenated, use to indicate this is intentional". - Chris.sherlock (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are citing a single page whose number is "69-70", then you should use page. If you are citing two pages numbered 69 and 70, then an en dash is needed, per MOS:DASH. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * And yet the template documentation says differently, I quoted it to you above - see Template:Citation. My understanding is that where there is a conflict in the MoS then the template documentation generally wins over. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 05:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Read the documentation again. pages: A range of pages in the source that supports the content. Use either page or pages, but not both. Separate using an en dash (–). The bit about the hyphens is for esoteric page numbering systems, not normal page ranges. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:57, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

New message from Path slopu
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How to notice bad ISBNs
Hello Jonesey95. I notice you doing useful work on the ISBN templates. Are you aware that it is possible to watchlist Category:Pages with ISBN errors‎? This allows you to notice immediately when one of your edits has uncovered one or more bad ISBNs in an article. Each bad ISBN can then create one new entry on your watchlist. When I have time, I can fix these manually by searching in Worldcat or possibly Amazon, but it is possibly faster for a person such as yourself to fix everything in one go. At present my watchlist shows:

Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I do not watchlist categories, especially maintenance categories; it creates far too much noise in my watchlist. I recognize that my edits, which wrap ISBNs in the ISBN template, sometimes make previously unlinked invalid ISBNs display big red error messages, hence my edit summary: "Fix ISBN error or other ISBN error using AutoEd (or wrap invalid ISBN in template to show error message)". Right now, I am working to reduce the size of WikiProject Check Wikipedia/ISBN errors, which shows ISBN errors that are often invisible to readers and editors. Making the errors visible makes them more likely to be fixed by other gnomes. I try not to make work for others, but the ISBN was invalid before and after my edit; I'm just making the error more visible by adding the template. I hope that makes some sense.


 * Right now, I am working on the easy-to-process entries on that list, where semi-automated find-and-replace makes a big dent in the list and adds links to hundreds of previously unlinked ISBNs. When I am done with that, I will be ready to join you in looking at the individual ISBN errors that require research. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:55, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Infobox school cleanup discussion
Hi Jonesey95, hope you’re well, can’t believe it’s been almost a year now since the Infobox UK school merger and cleanup discussion. Are you still interested in continuing the cleanup discussion? I can ping you there? Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 07:10, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , feel free to ping me from there. I don't know if I have the energy to go through a giant process again, but I'll watch and contribute as much as I am able. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Jonesey95, thanks for replying. I know what you mean, this would be pretty much I'd say a final cleanup because it is of the whole infobox. The rename and delete section is pretty much uncontroversial as it is for consolidating the proliferation of aliases/synonyms, renamed via bot and then deleted from code - no objections in this section and only the years taught and free label just needs your comment.


 * The delete completely section has a list of parameters to be deleted completely, there is no need to comment under each parameter, just a comment at the bottom of the list with your support will be good, you will be able to see the supporting comment provided by . I wouldn't comment here just yet as I'm going to add a few more for deleting completely and if you have any that should be deleted please add. The other section I think it is best to postpone as this section is of suggestions and issues which would be better handled after the unnecessary aliases/parameters are removed. The merge section has only a few bullet points that just needs your comment on, I'll ping you there and we can get this section out of the way.


 * I just want to get done and dusted, it's already been almost a year, have posted on WikiProject and multiple talk pages and no objections. So after you've commented, plus the comments already provided by WhisperToMe, there is consensus and this can go through Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:00, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Bumping to keep this from archiving. I still need to get to this. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

 * , you are welcome! And thanks for the strawberries. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:56, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * cheers-- D Big X ray ᗙ  06:43, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Wolf
Hello would you be able to copyedit the wolf article? See here. LittleJerry (talk) 02:05, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , we're all volunteers with lives here so don't expect anyone to jump to it PDQ. You've listed it at GOCE/REQ so someone will get to it eventually (usually about a month or so); please have some patience.  Baffle☿gab  02:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What BG said. I've been working on the references though. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:41, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , please see my comments at Peer review/Wolf/archive1. I can't do much more work on the citations until I know what the preferred citation format is for the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:46, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay. Can you please move that to the talk page. The peer review is closed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:37, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

November 2019 GOCE drive bling

 * I am a modest man, with much to be modest about. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

GOCE December 2019 Newsletter
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Thank you for your work to fix lint errors
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, including your your de-linting work. I noticed that in of Kënga Magjike, you left obsolete   tags. Do you use lintHint, and if so, do you usually ignore the low-priority errors? Also, I noticed that in of List of NCAA college football rivalry games, you left standing numerous obsolete   markups for table cells; this markup has been replaced in HTML5 by. Even though it is not currently flagged as a lint error, I think it's worth fixing this markup. Also, I noticed that your edits of List of NCAA college football rivalry games replaced multiple   with. Is there a guideline in Wikipedia calling for this? I thought that  is XHTML markup and is not needed for HTML. —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:29, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I am ignoring obsolete tags. I tend to fix all other errors, except those that I don't know how to fix yet (or can't be bothered to fix yet, because they are just too tedious). I am skeptical that obsolete tags and outdated centering techniques will cause any problems in the next few years, especially given the slowness of the MW coders to acknowledge the need to prevent new occurrences of Linter errors. That is why I asked for obsolete tags to be excluded from the report at User:Galobot/report/Articles by Lint Errors. All of the other errors, even the low-priority ones like missing end tags, can cause actual formatting errors on pages, but as far as I know, the obsolete tags do not cause rendering problems (yet).


 * I change br to br / to make the syntax highlighter work. There are a lot of tired arguments in both directions about br tags, but without the closing slash, manual delinting is nearly impossible for me. I use LintHint in combination with the syntax highlighter and Special:ExpandTemplates to track down individual errors that can be difficult to find visually. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * BTW, if you are looking to make a big dent in the obsolete tag count, I recommend looking in the template namespace. I just did a simple update to Uir/idoc, which fixed Linter errors in 977 template pages. Last year, I was able to make significant reductions in Linter error counts by fixing templates and hundreds of userboxes. There is still some low-hanging fruit left outside of article space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:42, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like most of these errors are in documentation pages or Did you know nominations, neither of which have much impact beyond themselves. —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed, but I just couldn't resist fixing 977 pages with a single edit! Those /doc examples might have to be cleared out for us to be able to see the actual templates with errors, but looking through one page at a time gets tedious. All of this sure would be easier if these errors were put in categories. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Don't just delete self-closed tags
Your recent edit to HP Roman was not a ‘fix’. Please be more careful in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A457:9497:1:9CA0:C331:A0E6:C1F7 (talk) 06:49, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. It beggared belief that someone would purposely add a self-closed span block exactly 13.7em wide as a way of formatting an ellipsis on a line of text that can vary in width, so I didn't see any harm in deleting it. If you want to center some text, just center the text. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Hurts 2B Human
Hello:

My apologies again for the work I caused you at Hurts 2B Human. I've been trying to encourage new GOCE editors by pointing out e few MOS issues that would improve their edits. I'll be more careful with the conflicts.

I wanted to ask you because you seem to spend time fixing curly quotes etc... Are you using a script for this? Doing it manually must be tediously challenging work.

I must admit I don't check for them in references but do try to catch them in the body of the article. My bad.

Thanks,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I was grumpy for about eight seconds, and then I realized that edit conflicts are no fun for anyone, and I should just quickly redo my edits. No problem.


 * I fix curly quotes by copying and pasting the whole wikitext into a text editor (BBEdit for Mac; Notepad++ for Windows can be persuaded to do something similar) that has a "straighten curly quotes" feature as one of its menu items. It takes just a few seconds, no matter how long the article is. I then preview the changes to ensure that I didn't automatically convert something like a prime mark or ʻokina into a straight quote mark by accident (extremely rare and may have never happened, but I am paranoid about automatic find and replace). – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Nor Here. Thanks for the info on Notepad++ - I will check it out. Cheers, Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:04, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The synapsid
Hello, well, I have already asked this question and I'm looking for the answer: 1) And what can Synapsida rank shift to the class category for all non-mammalian representatives? 2) And what can you move the Dinosauria rank to the rank of Super-order and not as a vulgar clade?

P.S the taxa concerced must have the following model:  | always_display = true  except for the aves class Aves (for the Mammalia class it will be the only one to have the Synapsida taxon as a clade) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prehistoricplanes (talk • contribs)
 * I do not understand what you are asking, but as I explained, you should create a new section at Talk:Synapsid. If you can find a native English speaker to help you phrase your question, you are more likely to get a helpful answer. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Footnotes at GAN
There is currently a GAN at Herman Melville here which has asked some footnote questions about format. Any chance that you might be able to give item #15-#16 a look at bottom of the GAN assessment, and maybe give the article a "once over" look? Seasons greeting for the New Year. CodexJustin (talk) 17:50, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The note about the foot matter is out of scope for a GAN. The GAN criteria do not cover citation style or minor inconsistencies like a text note being in a references section. I have attempted to make arguments like this in the past, saying that the citation style of a GAN was terrible and inconsistent, and I was pointed to the criteria, which (unfortunately, in my view) make no mention of citation style or consistency. At FAC, that becomes something to worry about. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia Books
Since you participated in the discussion on Wikipedia Books I herewith inform you that a decision has been taken.

See Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_176 Dirk Hünniger (talk) 20:36, 31 December 2019 (UTC)