User talk:Karmafist/Archive11

Wiki-break
You have 138 edits today. You're not on wiki-break anymore. --TantalumT e lluride 23:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the barnstar. No problem on the RfA...water under the bridge. As for help on FUC, that's what I'm here for :) Doing what he did is just very incorrect. If we let that go, that'd be a bad precedent. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 23:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep I know. #1 rule admins don't seem to realize. It's how Ed Poor got into trouble...and Tony...and others. Just no reason for it. If you have a good enough reason, other admins will do it for you. I just saw Tony's RfAr request. *shakes head* Just no reason for it. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 23:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * "BJ" refuses to accept that he's wrong STILL, though. See here, he's talking shit behind peoples' backs now -_- - User talk:Kelly Martin -- Mistress Selina Kyle  (  Α⇔Ω ¦  ⇒✉  )  23:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Mistress, neither you nor Karma nor Phroziac have produced one shred of evidence that I have attacked them, but i have told them what they respectively have done that is wrong and Karma, in particular has violated wiki civility rules multiple times as a result. and now you're bringing stalking into it?   these are public pages, and when falsehoods are written about a person, at least that person (and even others) has every right to respond. r b-j 01:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Jeez. Well Karma, I know you've had some drama on here lately, but you know, just stay out of the way for awhile, do non controversial stuff and you should be ok. Don't make the mistake that Ed Poor made and that Tony is making, which is to just keep at it until they've alienated most of the project. We need you. Stick around. :) --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 23:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Don't need to tell me! :) I know we haven't crossed paths, but I seem to attract the worst of the POV pushers. I got hit just last night by a sockpuppet attack after making an innocent comment to someone who was accusing me of personal attacks when I did no such thing. I'm telling you. It's a gift. :) --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 23:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yep. Had to block over 2000 IP addresses to stop Gibraltarian. No complaints so far. I'm guessing I'll be able to extend that to 1 week and maybe further. We literally tried everything else. He just won't go away. He's now literally sending me 25 emails in quick succession that just say "unblock me!". Yeah he's not a vandal. ;-) Yeah USENET is not good for us basically because what we call vandalism is considered "cool" there, so it's transplanted over. I do wonder if there is a specific spawning ground for the Willys of the world. Wish we could find it. :) --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 23:51, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Woohoo, i know that you're a good admin. before buying into Karma's secondary tripe (that because i post to a couple of USENET newsgroups, that i'm some sort or congenital flamer), check out comp.dsp or sci.physics.research (the only newsgroups i post to of late, the first had been named one of the top five for signal-to-noise ratio and the second is a moderated newsgroup populated by some world class physicists, names you'll see in titles or wiki articles) and tell me those newsgroups are cauldrons of vandalism or incivility.
 * also, for comparison, i would challenge the dishonest Karma or any other admin (you have access to IPs, i presume) that i have used any sockpuppet or any anonymous IP (except for to contact Nicholas Turnbull for help when Phroziac blocked me illegitimately) since Sept 2004 when i first created my account. i refuse to accept any label associating me with the real illegit editors of WP, which is why i was so pissed off by Phroziac's and Karma's bad behavior. r b-j 01:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * All I said was "Yeah USENET is not good for us basically because what we call vandalism is considered "cool" there, so it's transplanted over. I do wonder if there is a specific spawning ground for the Willys of the world. Wish we could find it. :)". Your name did not come up. I didn't even imply that I was talking about you. I'm not involved in this spat. I was making general comments. Assume good faith. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 04:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Help
Hi, thanks for your help in right-to-work! Would you be able to help elsewere as well? There is desperate need in the pages of conservatism, where a few individuals wish to remove all reference to fascism, claiming that socialists were the true fascists. In War on Christmas, one of the same individuals (and some other here and there) are reverting to change the tone to a Fox news perspective, with straw-man style criticism on the side. If you were somehow able to sort this out, I would be forever greatfull. It seems whenever I point out how they are wrong, they simply start up a new method of attack! Drives me insane! Thanks for reading this, hopfully you can check it out! (: --sansvoix 01:15, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Tax Resistance Edit
Can you please attempt to justify your edit for the tax resistance article? There was no explaination of the edit in the summary, nor in Talk, so before I consider it vandalism or somesuch, I'd like to know why you made the edit. Thanks.
 * MSTCrow 05:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Just noticed
Not being nitpicky, but I notice you missed me from your list of admins voted for on your userpage ;) :P Early Happy New Year mate! NSLE  ( T + C + CVU ) 10:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

RfC / Dispute philosophy
I'm sure you must find me exasperating at times, but no I wasn't talking about myself in the 'has crossed him' bit. Though... is now a bad time to point out that I've been a Usenet regular for over a decade? :]

The Public Defender / District attorney analogy is workable, but my essential problem is that I feel you as 'District attorney' are going out and provoking people into committing the 'crimes' you then charge them for. You can't go after people for incivility while engaging in it yourself. It creates an immediately obvious difference in the standards to which admins are held vs 'regular users'. This is grossly unfair and people subjected to it react predictably... very few are going to have the ability to handle your 'interventions' the way Mailer Diablo did. That doesn't make them 'worthless trolls'... it makes them regular human beings. As you ought to understand given your own reaction when you were blocked.

The problem I see with your Kmweber example is that you weren't 'trying to reform him'. You called him names and said he'd "never learn". You blocked him for four months and then extended it to indefinite when other admins shortened the block to conform with the limits of policy. You can't take credit for him 'flying straight' when your actions would have made that impossible. Yes, since he has been unblocked he has been making alot of constructive edits... but that only happened because others gave him a fair shake. You would have kicked him off Wikipedia permanently.

Your continued bad-mouthing of Pigsonthewing is another clear violation of civility (we won't talk about the subjective nature of WP:NPA in this regards). You've repeatedly painted him as this fiend who was running around viciously attacking innocent people, but the fact is that poor 'martyred' Leonig Mig is really no angel himself, and your campaign to "indefinitely block" Pigsonthewing began, not over his treatment of others, but when he challenged you over a clearly improper block. If you had remained civil, apologized for blocking him/protecting the page over a content dispute that you had gotten involved in (or not done it in the first place), and otherwise 'followed the rules' THEN you could politely criticize his actions with 'clean hands'... but without the provocation you provided chances are he wouldn't have reacted the way he did. Insults breed more insults.

My position is that your 'not pulling any punches' violates Wikipedia's civility policy and infuriates or drives away many contributors whose only fault is that they fall short of a standard of 'angelic calm' which you yourself (along with most of us mortals) could not meet. If you would just be nicer to people they wouldn't get so upset / disruptive in the first place. The first sign of bad temper should not be taken as reason to respond in kind. That sort of escalation creates the very problem you are seeking to stomp out. Take a look at my interactions with Alcantar / 212.195.146.243. He was rude. I stayed polite. He eventually came around. Every insulting or hurtful comment which is made has a strong likelihood of being answered in kind. Thus, the best way to keep Wikipedia 'nice' is to rise above it... especially for the admins. WP:BITE, WP:BNTV, and WP:CIV are the pages most in keeping with my credo.

Believe me, I understand exactly where you are coming from... and exactly what it will result in. Many years ago now, when most of Usenet was a happy friendly place (I believe it was the Mesozoic era), I 'pulled no punches' on someone who was harassing and threatening another user. I called it 'disgusting behaviour' and the 'worst abuse of netiquette I have ever seen'... and that person went from being considered a very valued contributor to one of the most disruptive on Usenet. I could say 'I was right' and use his subsequent behaviour to defend my action, but that'd be denying my own responsibility for the result. Eventually this, 'Usenet Balrog' (so labeled by others - wreathed in flames wherever he goes) will inevitably put in an appearance here and you can sit back and have a good laugh watching me try to deal with a catastrophe of my own creation. But the point is I've learned from the experience. It doesn't matter how nasty someone is... responding in kind (to whatever degree) just makes things worse. --CBD &#x260E; &#x2709; 13:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I haven't made a study of who is/isn't a long-time Usenet regular, but I know Morwen is. As to the rest of your response, we'll just have to disagree. --CBD &#x260E; &#x2709; 21:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your kind welcome. Ardenn 21:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I decided to dispute the neutrality of University of Ottawa. Is someone supposed to remove the tag if they think the claims are invalid? Ardenn 23:18, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

You guys have to prove with facts. And we have already voted 2 months ago on the same information.

Anakinskywalker 23:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

How? You came in also and started changing info without researching the history of the page to see there were multiple parties that solved it. I have provided sourced links to prove my claims.

Anakinskywalker 23:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Calm down, and please refrain from personal attacks. Provide proof is you want to change things. Multiple parties have already discussed the same issses months ago.

Anakinskywalker 24:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

The guy there, Anakin, is acting like a little child and reverting. How can this be prevented? Ardenn 00:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually I proved my self with sources, and you keep on reverting everything that has been voted and settled on 2 months ago. Anakinskywalker 24:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Anakin, are you talking to me or Ardenn? Because if it's Ardenn, you'd best be heading over to his talk page. Let me know if I can give a third opinion, i'll try to remove all the unsourced claims now. karmafist 00:22, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

That Anakin person is claiming I attacked him when I did no such thing. I guess maybe editing here was a bad idea. Ardenn 00:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

He's not being nice about it to me, he's being quite mean. Ardenn 00:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

In the history of the talk page, it looks like he's been mean to other users before. Isn't there a way to prevent his trolling? Ardenn 00:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I feel overwhealmed and unwelcome by his actions. I also feel that article is incredibly biased, and some of it is hard to put into words. Ardenn 00:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

You do have a fan club like that...
See User:Karmafist fancies Pigsonthewing and User:Cool Cat is a gay man who had sex with Karmafist :) Ral315 (talk) 21:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * He's a regular Wilt Chamberlain, he is :) Ral315 (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Mistress Selina Kyle
I think I've seen that you are on good terms with User:Mistress Selina Kyle. She's having a spot of trouble with 3RR / her talk page which you might want to look into. --CBD &#x260E; &#x2709; 22:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

University
I figured that's what you were up to, and I was already looking into it anyway. I saw the note about it on this page when I was writing to you before. :] It has already gotten hostile and the page is protected, but should be able to sort something out. --CBD &#x260E; &#x2709; 01:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Now karma :)
I've seen you do this twice now, so I better say something. :) Requests on RfP go to the TOP not the bottom. :) --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 01:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Fair use criteria
Please stop removing content   that are supported by consensus. It's downright vandalism and it's rely not becoming of an admin and member of the counter vandalism unit to behave in such a way. I get that you have some sort of philosophical problem with fair use not beeing allowed on userpages, but that doesn't give you the right to simply remove rules you don't agree with. If you want the guidelines and policy changed go though the propper channels and get a consensus to do so first. Thanks. --Sherool (talk) 02:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC) Reply found here. karmafist 03:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Second that. You should know better. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 03:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

''Also, if you could, please answer these two things that the Fair Use people don't seem to want to tell me...
 * 1) What is the legal reasoning behind this user page/article space stuff?(And don't give me "wiki-policy", we both know that can be changed with a click of a button and a mob.)
 * 2) How would the Democratic Party suing Wikipedia be anything other than cutting off its nose to spite its face? karmafist 03:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)''


 * I'm not a lawyer so I can't speak to your first question. However, if the consensus is for the text to say that, you shouldn't alter that. period. The fact that "wiki-policy" can be changed with a click of a button doesn't mean it should be changed. We as Administrators must work to determine and uphold consensus, especially on policy mattters, and if this means frequently patrolling and reverting changes to policy pages, so be it. But you as an editor shouldn't change the section if there is consensus for the section to remain in. Second I don't think it's an issue of whether or not the Democratic party or any other group would actually sue Wikipedia, it's an issue of making sure we are nonetheless compliant with the law and with Wikimedia policy. Even if it would happen to be legal to use the image in the User space, current policy on Wikipedia is against that, so as such, you should respect that. You're welcome to question the policy, you're welcome to encourage discussion of the policy, and you're expecially welcome to ask someone who is more familiar with copyright law and policy than myself your second question. I'd suggest Splash or Deathphoenix. Either way, removing the text itself is not the most productive way to pursue this issue. Best regards, &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 16:48, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikibreak
As evidenced here, you are weak. :P As someone who tried to quit, I can sympathize. ;) —Locke Cole • t • c 05:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Re Locke Cole's rfa
Hi Karmafist - as someone else once noted on my user talk page, the fact that the arguments on talk and project pages often get heated is a sure sign that the people involved care a lot about Wikipedia. I've no doubt that you are right behind wikipedia, as am I, and there's bund to be occasional friction when our views on it don't exactly mesh. In any case, disagreements or not, I'm very glad that people like you are involved in this project! Grutness...wha?  05:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Karma
I love you, and wish the best for you in the New year! I am a secret admirer, Guess who?....XOXO.....No relation to evil, Order of the phoenix 05:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

re:WP Bite
was that in reference to me or anakinskywalker since I don't think I have bitten him, I was just trying to enforce policy equally. Jtkiefer T 05:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Karmafist
Since you're awake, trustworthy, and you just visited the page, I'd ask you (if you have time) to read my comment there at the Richard Norton RfA regarding Brian0918, and also the message I left at his talk page. Am I being too harsh? I really just think his action was uncalled for. Thanks, Xoloz 07:16, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

If anything, you just have a talent for making jerks angry, and that's something to be applauded. So yes, you are trustworthy... and trustworthy... and trustworthy... and trustworthy... and so on. :) Xoloz 07:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedians With A Massachusetts Accent
xD Acetic Acid 08:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Us Wicked Pissah Easterners think alike! I just noticed the results of the election and voted for you. Not that I have any doubts in Mero, but I don't want any new Ryans taking RN's and my places. :) Acetic Acid 08:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I sure am flattered
Regarding. Thanks! Was it something in particular that I did, or I'm just a cool guy all around? :)--Sean|Bla ck 09:33, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Locke Cole
Thing is, he has been a little snippy (IMO) to both Splash and Radiant in various deletion debates, and I am quite loyal to those I respect. Of course, since I respect you, I will strike my vote, as you asked. :) I can't quite bring myself to support, though. Best wishes, Xoloz 16:34, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Back early!
Hi, Karma! I was going to take more time but I couldn't do it, and then Fayssal was so enthusiastic about nominating me I couldn't resist...otherwise I would have waited a couple weeks and then let you know when I was ready to give it a crack. Regardless, thanks for the support, and we'll see how it goes this time 'round! Babajobu 16:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Harassment of Pigsonthewing
I am concerned about this edit. You may not like Andy Mabbett but he is entitled to vote the way he pleases, and it is for bureaucrats to decide whose vote is struck off. Furthermore, it seems that you are in breach of the spirit of the Arbcom finding that you should not be involved in administrator action in relation to Andy. It just seems like you are goading him again. Is it too much to ask that you revert the effects of this edit? David | Talk 16:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

This is getting old.
How many times do I have to tell you to leave Pigsonthewing alone? How many? I know he voted in Locke Cole's RfA, when he almost never votes in RfA's, but give it a rest. Removing his vote from the RfA simply will not answer. . I'm blocking you for 12 hours because of this, and please, sometime soon learn how to leave him alone already. I hate having to do this, but this is getting old. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 17:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

userpage
You dont have one?? OMG! OMG! -- Cool CatTalk 17:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Chat
We need a chat. Talrias (t | e | c) 17:36, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't let the RFA get you down
And whatever you do, don't let POTW's actions egg you on. Wikipedia wouldn't be the same if you were gone. Besides, we both know you can't quit; you tried a wiki-break and you were still editing like mad. :P So be calm, damnit. If this RFA fails, I expect you to nominate me again anyways. :P —Locke Cole • t • c 18:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Advisory Council meeting
First, let me congratulate you on becaoming a member of the new Advisory Council. I would like to arrange a meeting with the Advisory Council in IRC either on Saturday or Sunday and wondered when it would be possible (taking time zones into account). Please could you respond on my talk page as soon as possible. Thank you. --Cel e stianpower háblame 21:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Issues
First, congrats on making the AC for Esperanza. Get your butt back here and make me proud.

Second, I hear there were problems earlier today. To quote someone...hmmm...I think it was you: "We want you to stay. The people who want you to leave, which is likely either vastly overshadowed by those who want you to stay if they exist at all, can go [remove word I won't say, but generally means to copulate roughly] themselves." Now, get the heck back here and get back to work before I have to come hunt you down. -- Essjay ·   Talk 21:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hear hear. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 18:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!



 * Big congratulations on your winning the ESP council election. Best wishes from me too.--Dakota ~ ε 22:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Once Moore
Hi, could you unprotect this page? I think it's been created by an overenthusiastic fan and it needs deleting. It could be speedied actually because it's already been deleted once. There's no sign that I can find that Mandy Moore's album has a title yet and the fan in question seems to have created the page on the back of a rumour that he himself "no longer believes". I'm a bystander not a partisan but I've edited the Mandy Moore page to reflect the lack of title but I need Once Moore so I can take action there. I'd actually be most pleased if you'd speedy it as recreated material but I'll understand if you are cautious about that. James James 21:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Food
Forget the cake and cookies. Here's what you really need&mdash;diced pork! Disclaimer: Consuming raw or undercooked meat may cause serious illness. Enjoy! --TantalumT e lluride 22:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)



Esperanza election
Thank you for your support in the Esperanza Election. I was unsuccessful in the end of the election but I would like to thank you for having confidence in me to be a future admin general/ advisory council member. — M o e   ε  23:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
Thanks for voting for me in the Esperanza elections. I've been appointed to the Advisory Committee, thanks to your show of confidence in me. I'll do my best to make you proud, but please feel free to ask me for help at any time or to give me tips as to what you would like to do. Thanks for being an active member of Esperanza! I'll see you around. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 00:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure. Just stay out of trouble, all right? ;) Tito xd (?!? - help us) 00:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, you're welcome. Good luck with your new post!  Ban e  s  06:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Anakin Skywalker
Please don't troll on me, following me everywhere on Wikipedia. I am respectful to you and except the same from you.

Anakinskywalker 03:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC))

I happened to notice, in passing through, that you misspelled your own name three times, as well as "User", so I fixed the errors for you. By the way, there's a difference between "trolling" and "stalking". You're welcome. Aumakua 22:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza council election
Thanks for your vote for me in the Esperanza council election. I sincerely appreciate it Brian | (Talk) 08:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, and I look forward to working with you! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 16:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations from me too. Deb 17:34, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Karma
I think you are a great person for standing up for what is right, Beware of evilphoenix as he is a hypocrite and a liar, May you have a healthy, happy, and prosperous 2006! I love you, Guess who.... As pergers son, remember? 207.190.155.115 00:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

BoSox template
We cant use a fair use image... Hence the text... feel free to change it back to some other text, but do not reinstitute the image, and for the love of god read WP:AMT substing is to reduce SERVER LOAD. This is POLICY. ALKIVAR &trade; 01:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Do all user boxes have to be without an image? -- Eddie 01:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No merely without a "fair use" image. GFDL, CC-by-SA, PD, etc... are all acceptable on a template.  ALKIVAR &trade;Radioactivity symbol.png 01:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/NDecember 2005
Mate, you misspelt December? NSLE ( T + C + CVU ) 01:43, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Bah Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/December 2005 exists. [/lazy] :P (Happy New Year!) NSLE  ( T + C + CVU ) 01:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Admending the E Charter
Hey, just wondering about the thoughts on amending the Esperenxza Charter. How exactly does it work? What changes are being proposed?

Thanks!

Wikizach 06:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)