User talk:Kevinbrogers/Archive 10

iCarly - Season 6
I read that you weren't entirely convinced that a Season 6 exists. But I just want to assure to you that it will happen. On the link on the episode page next to the sentence in the Season 6 section, it features Dan Schneider's blog entry written by Dan himself who states that he's producing more episodes of "iCarly" back-to-back with Season 3 of "Victorious" sometime in early 2012 since he's been prepping for it for about a month now. Season 5 ended production back in July, so this would be Season 6. - Jabrona - 00:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well you can find all the information you want regarding the seasons on the show's main page in the "Season 5 and Onward" section through each of the links you find on there. You see, Dan shot 13 production episodes for Season 4 from May to September 2010. In October, Nick ordered 13 more episodes to be added to the season which was to start production in the spring of 2011. Then in April 2011, they renewed the show for a fifth season of 13 episodes to start production in 2012 and air in that year. Well the episodes meant to have been part of Season 4 Nick ordered back in October; the 13 production episodes Dan shot in this year from May to July 2011 were marketed as the show's fifth season. So the 13 episodes renewed in April 2011 to happen next year would be the show's sixth season since it was a separate renewal of episodes meant to be Season 5 before Nick decided to split the second half of Season 4 into it's own season. - Jabrona - 02:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * See Talk:ICarly (season 4). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:39, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Not sure if you read my latest defense regarding the split season iCarly above. I know you had have gotten a message pop-up regarding that, but I didn't get your feedback on it. I know you're probably getting tired with me debating this with you, but this just has to happen. Now if what I have to present you with now doesn't satisfy you then I'll dig for something else if I could. - Jabrona - 20:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't think you would be too fond of the Nathan interviews, but the iTunes and Amazon defense is something I thought would have been convincing. What got me about your response regarding that is the fact that you responded how they were listing the episode lists as volumes instead of seasons. Well, as far as I'm concern, each of the volumes are basically each individual season containing the episodes in that season. Volume 1 is Season 1, Volume 2 is Season 2, Volume 3 is Season 3, Volume 4 is Season 4, and Volume 5 is Season 5. If you can let this slide for "True Jackson" then I don't see why it can't be the case with iCarly that has a more well-known status of having a split season. You're sticking by this production label a bit too much. We get that Seasons 2 and 3 were technically one season. But we have sources that list them separate for broadcast reasons. Of course there will be sources that will still label them as one season and the succeeding seasons as their production ones. It doesn't mean it have to stay like that. Plus, a lot of those "external sources" that refer to the production labels are copy-overs from press releases. - Jabrona - 21:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh I've provided evidence. I can go about citing sources that talk about the split, but how would you be convinced that they're reliable? You only cited one source from what I can recall and others that back it up are simply copy-overs. I'm probably not going to get anything by press release sites considering they go by the production labels. But that doesn't mean the split didn't happen since it's clear a broadcast cycle is different from a production cycle. As for the volumes on these sites, the fact is they each have the full broadcast seasons as listed. So if I can convince you that the seasons were split then you have no choice but to assume everything is not about the production cycle. I'm starting to think you just don't want to believe this no matter how obvious it can be. - Jabrona - 21:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Volume DVDs
You say that a "Volume" release isn't the same as a "Season" release? Well take a good look at this. Here's the DVD releases of "Futurama" in it's first four seasons in which they were each labeled as "Volumes". So the terms doesn't always mean a split in the season.


 * Season 1: http://www.amazon.com/Futurama-Vol-1-Billy-West/dp/B000083C6W (contains all 13 episodes)
 * Season 2: http://www.amazon.com/Futurama-Vol-2-Billy-West/dp/B00008YGRS/ref=pd_sim_mov_1 (contain all 19 episodes)
 * Season 3: http://www.amazon.com/Futurama-Vol-3-Billy-West/dp/B00013RBX0/ref=pd_sim_mov_2 (contains all 22 episodes)
 * Season 4: http://www.amazon.com/Futurama-Vol-4-Billy-West/dp/B0002B15J2/ref=pd_sim_mov_1 (contains all 18 episodes)

Of course with Seasons 6 (since Season 5 was all DVD releases of four episodes each) there was a gap between the first 13 episodes and the next 13 episodes. So both batches were released on separate volumes. But still, we have the first four seasons DVDs labeled as "Volumes". So this throws out your view of how "iCarly" is listed on iTunes and Amazon. - Jabrona - 23:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * But Volumes aren't always labeled as parts of the season. That's where I was getting at. Boy you never stop amazing me. Plus, if you check out those "iCarly" labels on Amazon again you can see that the page listings say "Season" for each one apart from the volume covers since that term appreciates you more when describing a full season. - 23:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It depends on how you're looking at it. You're looking at it from a "split of a single season" view. But in cases as I've shown it doesn't always mean that and can also indicate the whole season itself. iCarly may not be Futurama, but a volume can certainly mean a whole season. - 24:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You are surely in denial aren't you? As I kept telling you, of course they'll be sources on that from Nick press releases and of course they won't likely reference anything regarding the broadcast labels. Doesn't mean a thing other than the fact that they follow the production cycle. Now here's my evidence to you:


 * Dan Schneider, the creator of the show talks about what the network had said. You think he was told by some stranger or misinformed somehow? He wouldn't have made a new opening sequence for them for these episodes if he wasn't sure about this all, which he was by the way he ended his blog in considerable confirmation.
 * Nick having so many episodes from the second season production? They sure never aired that many in a season before. Seeing how far it was going to spread, it makes sense why they would want to split it up for broadcast marketing.
 * Many web sources refer the seasons by the broadcast labels. You can look them up. We have people interviewing with cast members referring the seasons as these. You think they would have corrected the interviewers if they were clearly misinformed?
 * I gave you examples regarding how "iLost My Mind" was labeled as the season premiere episode, but the next episode was. Of course, that episode was made before "iLost My Mind" and the first one of the season, hence why that one was labeled as the premiere. It makes sense they go by the production cycles hence why the DVD release labels would be labeled as so even if there is a split season.
 * There is such a thing as a production season and a broadcast season obviously. A production season is how the filming of episodes work out by their codes, while a broadcast season often follow this, it can also change how the marketing works on TV in cases if an episode is shelved and aired in the next season, or if a show is cancelled and the few episodes produced for a new season are added onto a previous one, or if there are so many episodes like iCarly had in it's second season production the broadcast marketing of it can be split to air a "new season".


 * There is much evidence of a split season. But what special evidence would please you to think otherwise since nothing I've said or shown you have been satisfying enough? Are you really anxious at keeping Season 2 as a single season? But don't you worry, I'm not giving up on this and will make sure I have things changed back. - Jabrona - 00:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the way I acted. I'm just so paranoid to set things straight again. I am convinced there was a season split like a lot of people were and wanted to prove that as much as I can since apparently Dan's blog isn't reliable under your eyes. But I do present you with this article about Noah Munck written last year by a media writer by the name of Kimberlee Mitchell who credits the episode "iPsycho" as a Season 3 episode supporting the assumption that a season split took place in Season 2. http://www.cisionwire.com/noah-munck/r/noah-munck---gibby--on-nickelodeon-s--icarly-set-to-host-orange-carpet-pre-show-at-2011-kids--choice-awards,g558884. Here's a link to a iCarly that's labeled being the "best blog to stay up to date with iCarly" where if you scroll down you'll come across a status written on September 12, 2009 before the airing of "iThink They Kissed" where it talks about the plot of the episode and how it was the Season 3 premiere of the marketed third season: http://www.icarly-show.com/blog/tag/icarly-notes/. Here's another web source from 2010 about an "iCarly" contest that launch after the airing of "iGot a Hot Room" where it references that episode as the start of Season 4: http://tv.spreadit.org/icarly-iwin-igot-a-hot-room-www-nick-comiwin/. - Jabrona - 03:22, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've recently contacted a Nick press writer Marianne Romano and is currently waiting for a response I will share with you, and even link you to her response so you can know it was written by her. Soon after, I came across this from the Nick press page from the Nickelodeon website I think was rather interesting: http://biz.viacom.com/sites/nickelodeonpress/NICKELODEON/Pages/showsdetails.aspx?NewId=6&ShowName=iCarly. Here you'll come across the "iCarly" section of this page. I scrolled down to the "Consumer Products Press Release" section where it says something from May 2011 about the release of the "i<3 iCarly Collection" that was set to be released on July 19, 2011 (which it was). Now if you click on the link and read about it which you'll find on this link: http://biz.viacom.com/sites/nickelodeonpress/NICKELODEON/Pages/showpdf.aspx?FileName=iCarlyCollection-PRfinal.pdf&ListName=Consumer%20Products%20PressReleases&ItemID=86, it gives great details about it and states how it includes specials and favorite episodes from Seasons 2 and 3. I repeat, SEASONS 2 AND 3. Now, take a good look at the episodes listed here from those seasons:


 * iSpace Out, iWas a Pageant Girl, iEnrage Gibby, iFix a Popstar, iWon't Cancel the Show, iBelieve in Bigfoot, iSaved Your Life, iQuit iCarly, iThink They Kissed, iTwins, iMove Out, iFight Shlby Marx, iDate a Bad Boy, iLook Alike, iCarly Awards.


 * Now it seems to me that the "Season 3" episodes listed here are from that of the apparent broadcast marketing season that we've been aware of after all this time that the Nick press has listed here. So I believe this supports there being a broadcast cycle. - Jabrona - 03:17, 14 January 2011 (UTC)