User talk:Kudpung/Archive Jan 2014

WT:WER
I think you placed your comment on the wrong section, maybe? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 02:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Rollback abuse concern
Hi, I wish to raise a concern regarding an editor misusing Rollback to revert good faith edits, rather than vandalism or banned users. User:117Avenue performed two rollback reverts on 28 December for edits on two different articles:, as well as previously for which I cannot identify the need for rollback in each case. I believe this editor is abusing the rollback tool and should have it revoked. His edit history shows a great use of revert "Undid revision" actions, though I have no doubt that some may be legitimate vandalism reverts, I sense a lot of non-collaborative WP:OWN-ish behaviour here, and especially a lot of WP:BITE-like reverts against IPs and new editors. I think an admin needs to advise that he tone-down and be a little less apathetic. Ma&reg;&copy; usBriti sh  {chat} 18:42, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the PRODs
For better or for worse, there are some poorly-written articles about actually-notable companies in that group. The article that is now TXI started off as one such article. That means more work for us if we want to avoid throwing out the baby with the bathwater. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  03:16, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm in  the process of PRODing  them  all. The community  is still smarting  from  having  to  an (in)voluntary  clean up of the hundreds of articles resulting from  the  IEP  so  rather than let  it  take weeks or months for the issues to  be addressed, at  least  PROD leaves a message on  the creators'  talk pages and will  give them  7 days to  react. It's not  up  to  us to  rescxue such  mass creations that  are the result  of simply  going  through  SE listings. Those that  are at  AfD are already  deleted or most  likely  to  be, so  there is little to  be gained by  overloading that  system  either. The creators must  surely  be getting  the message by  now, and if they  continue to  produce such  articles, we'll just  have to  start by  giving  them some friendly  warnings. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:23, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * IEP?? davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  03:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * India Education Program - a massive cleanup  I initiated and  spearheaded coming  up to about 2 years ago. I  blocked the university's IP  address in  the finish. A bunch of senior Foundation  staff finally had to  jump  on  a plane and fly  to  India to  sort the mess out  locally. In  the aftermath, some staff  were reshuffled, and I  believe there were also some sackings. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait, you are telling me that donor money that could've been spent elsewhere had to be spent flying people halfway around the world just because some people wouldn't play nice with Wikipedia? By "staff were reshuffled" do you mean WMF staff, WIE staff who were supposedly well-versed in Wikipedia rules, or do you mean staff members at the university or universities in question?  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  04:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC) Update Okay, I read enough of the archived talk page to get the general idea of the headache that "failed pilot" put the project through.  Sigh.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  05:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I mean that  donor money  was spent  on another Foundation  staff  junket. I  offered to  go  to  India at  my  own cost to  sort it  all  out because India  is only  a 2.5 hour flight  from  here, and I  have lived and worked there and understand the cultural  dichotomies, but  of course it  was declined. Following the IEP  debacle, they  flew an independent US consultant to  India to  do  a thorough  investigation. She did a great  job, and we ducussed many  issues together over Skpye, ut  all  her report  really  did was to  reiterate almost  verbatim  what  I  had been telling  the Foundation  for weeks - which  included veiled suggestions that  heads should roll.  There had also  been a lot of cronyism  among  the local  India Foundation management Foundation  staff were finally 'retired', while there were some reshuffles in  SF and I  believe one senior staff member was also  'retired' (saying  this euphemistically  of course. If  you  dig deeper into  the IEP  you'll  find the consultant's report somewhere, but  most  of it  -  and my  participation -  is on the  meta site.Now you  understand that  I  have concerns that  if the WMF gets wind of this China issue, they  will  fly  out  there under the pretext  of engaging  the university  in  an education  experiment. One of the perks of working  for the Foundation  is the large amount  of senseless foreign travel (and commuting  by  air within  the USA), and believe me, it  is a huge budget, especially  on  GEP. (Are you  aware that  the staff  are also  flying  around in  Thailand right  now on some obscure thing  about  getting  local  mobile telephone operators to  offer free Wikipedia access to  primary  school  children? I  was asked to  volunteer to  participate -  you  can probably  guess what  I  had to  say  about  that). I  get  on  well  with  the senior staff  when I  meet them, but  there is nevertheless somewhat  of an 'We're paid, and we have privileges; you're a volunteer and don't' attitude, which  among some of the more junior staff comes across quite arrogantly, not  to  mention  the appaling behaviour of one of them towards me and other well  established admins at  Wikimania in  DC.  Fortunately  I've been on  the Wikimania Scholarships committee for the last  2 years and at  least  that  helps to  ensure some of the money  is spent  in  the right  areas, although the budget  for scholarships in  comparison with  the overall  Funding  of Wikimedia is a tiny  drop  in  the ocean and the Foundation  doesn't  fund  my travel  expenses. Not  only  do  we spend hours contributing  content  and keeping  the site clean, but  we are expected to  do  a lot  of outreach  work  at  our own cost -  but  I  guess that's a choice we make as dedicated Wikipedians. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:49, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I've now completed the PRODing. Some had already been previously  tagged but  the CSDs had been removed or declined; these I  have sent  to  AfD because that's  what  we have to  do  as the next  step. It  might  be an idea to  check  the users to  see if they  are still  creating  pages. If  after a week  they  are, it  might also  be an idea to  do  an SPI  with  CU because although  some creators claim  to  be part of a university  project, the picture will  look  different  if their IP adresses are not  in  China. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy 2014 from Cyberpower678


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Thank You
Thank you for keeping me from getting into something I was not ready for. I will come back when I have sufficient experience. Have a wonderful New Year. I applaud you for your contributions to the Wikipedia community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msmonkeybean (talk • contribs) 04:44, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!


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Siam Center and Siam Discovery Center
Hi Kudpung. I saw that Siam Discovery Center was redirected to Siam Center. They are 2 different shopping malls. Shall I create them separately? Jianhui67 talk ★ contribs 11:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The two buildings are actually  linked into  one complex so  probably  one article to  treat them  both  would suffice. Happy New Year :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to give Siam Center a huge modification. I would want to remove all the advertisement and peacock statements and add the necessary things about Siam Discovery Center in. Jianhui67 talk ★ contribs 11:30, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Kudpung
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Computer vision award articles flagged for deletion
To briefly respond to your comments about the articles on computer vision prizes that you have flagged for deletion:

These articles are about very important scientific prizes that are awarded to significant researchers in the field of computer vision. I have created the articles as part of an initiative by the computer vision community to increase the amount of knowledge related to the field in Wikipedia. Several of our other prizes already have longstanding articles (for instance, the Helmholtz Prize is the international equivalent of the Longuet-Higgins Prize). I have followed your instructions, adding text about the significance of the awards, and a citation to the official IEEE Computer Society webpage in each case. I hope this addresses your concerns. Let me know if you have others.

Wscheirer (talk) 21:40, 1 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Good morning Dr Scheirer. Thank  you  for your valuable contributions and thank you  for looking  into  these articles again. While I  am personally  convinced of the notability  of these awards, the articles still  do  not  meet  our criteria for inclusion. These can be found at  WP:GNG for all  articles, and WP:RS which  is a guideline for acceptable sources. While I  have accorded you  the benefit of doubt and have not  sent  the articles for community  discussion, I  would ask  you  please to  find further citations; from  your  academic background I  am sure you  understand the importance of sourced references. In  the event that in-depth 3rd party  sources may  not  be available, I  would suggest  merging  these articles to  the one about  the IEEE Computer Society, leaving  a Redirect.  I  have also  tagged Marr Prize, and Longuet-Higgins Prize, a much  older article that  appears to  have escaped our attention,  as needing  further attention. Kind regards, and best wishes for 2014. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:24, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of RebornInfo
Hi Kudpung,

Thank you for your suggestion. But there are some detail information.

1.RebornInfo Ltd. has been a company of serial entrepreneurship. Its previous entrepreneurial project is one of China’s earliest micro-blogs - Follow5. Follow5 is the only Internet product headquartered in Dalian with the largest user base. Unfortunately, Follow5 was shut down by the government in 2011. It is included in the following entry: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%BE%AE%E5%8D%9A

2.RebornInfo Ltd. is located in Dalian Software Park (DLSP). Dalian’s software industry mainly relies on BPO, which is in urgent need of transformation. The industry is built upon intensive and low-cost Blue-collar Software. It needs to embrace the new economy and welcome the era of mobile Internet. RebornInfo is the very first one in DLSP to enter the mobile Internet industry. We hope that Wikipedia could be the one to witness the growth of the company as an epitome in the transformation of the BPO city of Dalian.

3.Many software companies in Dalian have been included in Wikipedia, including Dalian Hi-Think Computer Technology Corporation, Neusoft Group, hiSoft Technology International Limited, etc. Being the only company that has been in the Internet Industry from the beginning to the end, there is no reason that RebornInfo is excluded from Wikipedia.

Please reopen the RebornInfo item. Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FelixWang0828 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Help
Hello, Kudpung! I really appreciate you saving the Shane Proctor page from deletion. I just recently added a reference page to the L. J. Jenkins page, but the page still says there is no reference. Please tell me the problem as soon as you can. Thanks, Uricarrillo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uricarrillo (talk • contribs) 02:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Hollyfaith
I'm confused why the Hollyfaith page I created about the Atlanta band was deleted. They are mentioned on the Creation Records discography Wikipedia page along with many other bands that do have pages. Why would you single them out for deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteOak2006 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Pine River Capital article
Hi Kudpung,

I agree about the primary sources, listings, etc. on Pine River Capital Management. I think it’s notable though. Found some sources through GNews that look good and can replace about half of that references section. I proposed deleting the subsidiaries from the History. Please let me know.

What makes Pine River notable is that it was the first to, in August 2009, launch a $250 million real estate investment trust that was the first to be formed through a merger with a special purpose acquisition company. http://www.iijournals.com/doi/abs/10.3905/JSF.2009.15.3.073?journalCode=jsf#sthash.8N39Uvww.dpbs

and

http://www.structuredfinancenews.com/news/-199076-1.html

After the housing market and RMBS market fall out, this was a big and rather contrarian play to see Pine River not just invest, but wade in in such a permanent way into the RMBS market. Later, we saw big finance firms follow suit. Thus, Pine River had a seminal impact on the RMBS market from 2009-2014. From an financial academic standpoint this is a page to keep tinkering with. It needs a bit of TLC from structured finance academics. I wrote something similar to this section for DGG. 172.162.49.167 (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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Guido Alkemade
Hi, I just saw your changes in the topic of Guido alkemade. It's okay for me but earlier this week I was corrected in the topic of Kees Jonker to do it the way i coded the Alkemade topic. Since all duch olympic sailers are coded the way as done in Jonker (from 1900 to 1988) I will undo your changes if you do not mind.NED33 (talk) 11:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi. I think  you'll  find that  what  I  have done is correct per WP:MoS  and WP:Cite. The problem is that  when you  create articles that  do  not  have a references section  and a reflist  template, the new Pages Feed give a red alert for an unsourced article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I think  you  will  find that  you  were wrongly  advised but I'm  not  going  to  start  an edit  war by  reverting  you  again. You  are welcome to  obtain  a further opnion  from  another admin.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:59, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, there are enough war's in the world:-). If they need to be changed I'ts okay with me, but I like to finish the entries of the Dutch sailors first. Now completed 1900 - 1988 Olympics. I hope to finish 1992 - 2012 in the next two weeks.NED33 (talk) 12:10, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I see that you  are still  reverting  my  edits. The WP:CITE is quite clear. Our policy  requiring  articles to  be sourced is also  clear. There is a big  difference between WP:reliable sources that are required to assert the notability  of an article, and WP:External links that  are  simply for providing  non essential but  further information. As I  mentioned before, I  will  not  revert you  reverts for the time being, and you  are most  welcome to  obtain  a further opinion  from  another and highly  knowedgeable  editor (perhaps ), because sooner or later, someone else probably will. You might  also  wish  to  raise your concern at  WT:SPORTS and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics, although  the response time may  be somewhat  slower. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)
 * Dear friend, I'm not interested in policies or other opinions. I Value yours and will respect it. What I ask you is to keep the topics as they are for a week or two so they all in one similar style and state. Then it is quit easy for me to change them all. So please hold your horses:-)NED33 (talk) 07:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

SilkRoad, Inc. question
Hi, I corrected the spelling error that you referred to with the new SilkRoad, Inc. page I recently created, but could you give me some pointers as to what I can do to make it less like an advertisement? Thanks - WmLawson (talk) 14:54, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi William. I  suggest  that  you  may  wish  to  start  by  removing  the 'brochure' effect by  closing  up  some of the short sentences into  paragraphs and removing  the multiple mentions of the subject's name. Also, on  another issue, when I see such  articles, it  does lead me to  consider whether they  have been created on  behalf of the subject. I'm  absolutely  not  inferring  that  this is the case here, but  you  may  wish  to  read WP:COI. When you  have addressed these points, don't  hesitate to  ask  me to  review the article again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:31, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Li Renhan
The reason why I didn't create it in user space (and generally don't with my Chinese-history related articles) is that I do think that these articles are at least (except in rare cases) minimally useful to users even in the very short stub form, and therefore really should be "pushed" out to users in such form at the time of creation. --Nlu (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Ultimately, where you work  on  your articles is your choice of course, but  it  is expected that creations by  autopatrolled users will not  light any red flags at  New Pages Feed -  that's the whole principle of this user 'right'. It  is never certain  that  other editors will  pick up  and improve articles that  are tagged for maintenence or search  for sources, and it's not  within the scope of the work  of patrollers to  stop  and improve articles beyond some very  minor issues of format and typos, and adding  'stub' templates, etc - if indeed they  even bother to  do  that. . There is therefore  a real risk that  some patrollers will  tag such  articles for deletion  without out  further ado, and that  some admins may  take them  at  their word and physically delete the page.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:23, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

maria dumlao nomination
What? Did you even LOOK at the references? Reasons on Talk page please.--38.105.132.130 (talk) 16:18, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Any discussion  regarding  this article is currently  taking  place at  Articles for deletion/Maria Dumlao which  is the normal  process where there are doubts as to  the notability  of an article, and where the community and not  a single editor  will  decide on  the outcome. Please also  exercise some restraint  in  your comments and refrain  from  making demands or personal  attacks on  other editors - it's not  the best  method to  to  encourage sympathy  for an article about  which  you  may  have strong  feelings. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Orphan question
Hi Kudpung, I have a question. Over at WP:NPP it says:  If the article has less than three incoming links (from actual articles, excluding pages in other namespaces like User talk, Talk, Wikipedia, etc.) add {Orphan} to the top of the page.  However, I find that when I apply the orphan tag to an article with 2 links, it is often removed or objected to by other editors because their standard is if it has 1 link, it's not an orphan. Any suggestions or insights on this? -- — <b style= "color:#085;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 17:04, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * There was recent discussion  about  orphan tags here and here. In  my  opinion, an article is either an orphan or it  it  not, so  perhaps that  is a section  of NPP  that  needs to  be revised. On  the actual  worth of orphan tags, there are many  mixed opinions -  you  may also wish  to  look  at  more background at  WP:Orphan and template:orphan and their talk  pages. I  will  not  attempt  to  influence you  with  my  own opinions.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks I'll take a look at those. Cheers! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#085;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 22:44, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Removal of biography section
Hi Kudpung, I would like to know the reason behind the removal of biography section in this article was it a mistake on your part?--Mishae (talk) 20:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't remove any content. I removed a superfluous level 2 header. This is a short article which also had a very short, single sentence lead. Sub-sections in short articles, or for very short section content are generally to be replaced with running prose divided into paragraphs. The use of a 'Biography' Level 2 heading is doubly superfluous - the article is a biography. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion review for QMobile
An editor has asked for a deletion review of QMobile. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. <font style="color:#008000;background:white;">UBS <font style="color:#ffffff;background:green;">talk 22:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:36, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Valery Kritskov
I think you didn't read my comment on the top so I repasted it to bottom. Just now I have written another article on a notable Russian conductor, but someone tagged it with an orange tag. Although I agree that my source was primary and single, I don't think that the rest does apply to the article, or if it does its exaggerating. Can you check which part of the tag is belong here? Many thanks!--Mishae (talk) 00:23, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I did read it -  see my  reply  above. The tag bombing  of Valery Kritskov is a classic  example of what  is wrong  with  our WP:NPP process in  allowing  totally  new and inexperienced users to  patrol new pages. The user has been warned. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Riverview Elementary School, Silver Lake, WI page deleted
Hi,

I am a teacher at Riverview Elementary School, of which the deleted page was intended. My goal is to establish a student club that will research and gather information about our school's history, including biographies, and link it to other databases that can verify statistical data about demographics and academic performance. I understand that the site has been dormant since I first reserved a page last autumn, but plan on starting the work this spring.

There is a second reason for doing this project. I believe in the credibility of Wikipedia. I have colleagues and went to colleges that have nothing but negative skepticism to its format. There also tends to be a high level of blind faith when it comes to other resources, especially when it is a site sponsored by one of our curriculum providers. The collaborative format, which Wikipedia provides, can be one of the purist forms of information, even "self-correcting" misinformation at times.

A third reason I would like to construct this page is that we are a small rural school. This is one way to empower my students and surrounding community with a voice and representation that cannot feasibly occur in standard printed resources.

If there is a better method to construct a page, please let me, a novice, know. Otherwise, please be so kind as to reinstate the page.

Sincerely, Jason Shumway (Paintflake) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paintflake (talk • contribs) 00:43, 13 January 2014‎


 * Hi Jason. Unfortunately with the exception  of very  rare cases, generally all  primary (elementary) schools  and middle schools do  not  meet Wikipedia criteria for inclusion per notability  which  you  can read by  clicking  these links: WP:GNG, and WP:ORG. That  said, the page was deleted as having  no  substantive content (WP:A1); pages that  have little or no  content  and/or do  not  meet our requirements are usually  deleted in  a matter of hours or even sooner. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Jone Baledrokadroka
Hi, Kudpung, I just deleted the article per your tag. I'd like you to take a look at Baledrokadroka incident, an article created by the same editor and essentially suffering the same defects as the deleted article, although it supposedly pertains to the incident rather than the person. Rather than nominate it for deletion, I slashed it to nothing. I'd like your thoughts when you have a moment. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had seen it  and was going  to  return to  it  to  take a closer look  later. I  have deleted it per A7: No explanation of significance (real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event): Completely unsourced since creation in 2006. Content was a BLP violation before being stubed by an admin.  It  might  not  be 100% percent the right  CSD criterion but  I  think your opinion  and mine are sufficient. If  anyone complains, I'll  be happy  to  restore it  and send it  straight to  AfD. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:35, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable, thanks, Kudpung.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikimania 2014
Hi! You have new messages at wm2014:Talk:Accommodation. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 11:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

ModeAudio
Hi Kudpung. It'd be great if you could give me some more detail as to why you asked for the ModeAudo page to be speedily deleted. I tried my best to follow the rules regarding advertising/spam and thought that what I had submitted was suitably fact-based. I used the following page as a reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopmasters. I also understand that the first thing an article needs to do to be included on wikipedia is be about something notable, but I felt the references to popular, established websites such as producerloops.com and flstudiomusic.com would count as reputable sources.

Any more guidance would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Articulate-silences (talk • contribs) 13:56, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi. Sorry to  have to  disappoint  you but the article was tagged for WP:Notability, WP:Primary sources and WP:Reliable sources by  an experienced page patroller, tagged for deletion  by  an admin, and physically  deleted by  a second admin. Generally  three concurring  opinions won't err. Unfortunately; the sources you  supplied are either not  considered sufficiently  reliable and/or do  not  provide in-depth  coverage of the subject; in  particular, please see WP:ORG  for the notability  requirements for companies.  Other Wikipedia articles may  not  be used as sources that  attempt to  assert notability. Hope this helps, for more discussion please contact  the deleting  admin. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:33, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014
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Natalya Antonova
For the record, she is not an academic but rather a musician, and according to WP:Music she fits in the #6 notability criteria.--Mishae (talk) 01:30, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Mishae, it fails that  too for lack  of substantial  sources. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Just now I removed the prod and added a source, whether its verifiable or not, I don't know. Humboldt State University News should work, but more sources are definitely needed. As of now I checked the criteria, I meant #4.--Mishae (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Specular Interactive and Proposed deletion of Batman (2013 arcade video game)
Hello Kudpung, I'm new to Wikipedia editing/contributing and thought that I would start an article for a new Batman game that I've been playing and credit the company (Specular Interactive) that created it. The company has other games (which have Wikipedia articles) but there wasn't an article that existed for the company itself so I created it. Again being new and naive/ignorant, I just assumed that since there were product offerings from this company that had Wikipedia articles that seemed to have been created years ago, there should at least be an article for the company itself? Is this incorrect?

Also, I'm unclear on what it means by the article having "No indication of importyance or significance." Again sorry for the ignorance, but importance and significance seems to be pretty subjective to me. Thousands of people (tens of thousands? or hundreds of thousands perhaps?) must have played the games by this company and that seems like its significant enough to those people? I suppose the real question is how does one justify significance of something where it is significant enough to deserve a Wiki article?

Thanks for your help and feedback! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 11JimmyWall (talk • contribs) 07:04, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately there are a lot of things that  are probably  important  or significant but  this needs to  be demonstrated through  compliance with  Wikipedias's criteria for inclusion. To  do  this we need to  add reliable, third party  sources that  treat  the subject  in  depth. You  can find out more about  this by  clicking  on  these links: WP:NOTABILITY, WP:ORG, and WP:RS. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:26, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of Anjan Chowhury Pintu's page
Hello. I have received a message that says Anjan Chowdhury Pintu's page was deleted because it was promotional. Please be informed that it was not a promotional attempt. Mr. Anjan Chowdhury is a very renowned personality of Bangladesh. His contribution in several industries have been remarkable. He is a key stakeholder of Square Group which is one of the biggest conglomerates of our country. Not only that, he is also a freedom fighter who fought for Bangladesh in the 1971 war of independence. Also, his contribution to establish several sports in Bangladesh was splendid. He was honoured with CPI award for his tremendous contribution for the industrial development of this country. Such figures are truly rare in our country. There are lots of people who want to know about this person. A lot of people are there who want to know about his background, his contributions, ventures, management styles etc. For that reason, this page was uploaded so that whoever wants can search with his name and get a good idea about him. You can search on the internet with "Anjan Chowdhury Square Group", "Anjan Chowdhury Square Toiletries", "Anjan Chowdhury Pintu" etc. to know about him and his contributions.

Also, please advice how can I upload the page that will not be deleted. Thanks
 * First of all, your page need to meet Wikipedia's guidelines for creation. In this case its Neutral point of view. I don't know what CPI awards are but according to Google its a business related award which is based in Colorado or Center for the Polyurethanes Industry. Whatever it means, keep in mind that not all awards are considered to be notable on Wikipedia, and if he is notable in your country doesn't mean that the majority of people on Wikipedia will agree on it. Like, was he mentioned in any Bangladeshi newspapers or foreign press?--Mishae (talk) 15:05, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

In my earlier post I have mentioned about CPI mistakenly. However it is not CPI it is CIP. CIP stands for Commercially Important Person which is awarded by the Government of the Peoples Republic of Bangladesh to only those who have significant contribution in the country's commercial development. Mr. Anjan Chowdhury is the son of Samson H Chowdhury. Samson H Chowdhury's wikipedia page. Also, please note that he has been mentioned countless times by several national daily's of Bangladesh such as Dailystar, Dailysun , Newage , prothom alo. etc. for his outstanding contributions. Please assist me how can I upload the page without being deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chow.asif (talk • contribs) 16:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The subject must  meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability  at  Notability (people). Claims to notability  must  be supported by  references to  independent 3rd-party WP:Reliable sources. Please note however that  notability  is not  inherited. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:05, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

List of foreign Ligue 1 players
I have moved the discussion to that article's talk page. Op47 (talk) 08:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

NB&T Financial Group
Hi Kudpung, I've removed the PROD tag from the above article as it had previously been deprodded by User:Davidwr. The relevant policy suggests that the tag should not be re-added and another avenue for deletion (such as AFD) should be tried instead. Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:16, 19 January 2014 (UTC).
 * I know the rules ;) This article is one of 90 or so  that  are part of some kind of education project at  User:Uttsinghuajoint2014/Course Page. Most  of the articles are now already  red-linked. Because it  involves so  many, I  didn't  realise that  I  had in  fact  first  PRODed this article myself! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:59, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries, I just thought I'd let you know in advance so you weren't wondering why I de-prodded it. No criticism was intended :).  Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:22, 19 January 2014 (UTC).
 * Davidwr here: I deprodded the page on behalf of another editor who explicitly declared support for keeping the article.  Because the editor added his support for keeping the article to the top of the article itself, there was good reason to think that the editor was not familiar with Wikipedia processes including the PROD/dePROD process.  See [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NB%26T_Financial_Group&diff=589349682&oldid=588464347 this edit] by that editor.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  02:56, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we should send it to  AfD along  with  the others. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:42, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that would be best; I've done a search through various business and news databases for this company and have only pulled routine coverage. I don't think it'd survive AFD.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC).
 * ✅. Can't argue with a concurring opinion  from another admin. See Articles for deletion/NB&T Financial Group. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

New editor with COI
Hello there. I was alerted to User talk:Medbak72 (who seems to currently be offline) by another new editor who wanted my opinion on one of Medbak's edits.

So far, Medbak seems to be mostly adding one specific source to a couple of economy-related articles, as well as some statements supported by that source, and I have (both because of that and because of a similarity in username to author's name) a suspicion that he is that author.

I do believe that he so far is acting in good faith (for example, he has only added the reference to a bunch of articles that do seem to be related to the source he's adding; he has not made an autobiography or an article about that book), just not aware of the relevant guidelines, but some of his edits are mildly problematic (such as changing the definition of Globalization in said article's lead based upon his reference, though that was fairly quickly and quietly undone by yet another editor).

I have left a message on his talkpage explaining some things to him, but I would appreciate your input here, mainly on if I forgot to mention important stuff to him and on if you agree with my conclusion. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 04:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I would suggest first waiting on  a response from  the editor. If no  reply  is forthcoming  and/or the editing  pattern does not  improve, then the venue to  raise the issues would be Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was what I figured. Glad to see it confirmed by someone that knows a fair bit more about the guidelines than I do. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 04:23, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Reviewer rights
Hi, Thanks for giving me the nod. I will do my best to use my new right for the good of Wikipedia. Davidelit (Talk) 10:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Insaen Venom
Dear Kudpung: Would you mind looking at the history of the above page and this thread on my talk page and give your opinion as to whether this article should be in userspace? Maybe if it's a hoax it should be sent to Mfd or just deleted? I am not sure what the policies are once an article has a submit template. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:01, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Deleted as a hoax/possible attack page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:50, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Noel Shaw.
This article was placed yesterday on the Wiki. The article cites several published books by this author each book has on it's dust cover a profile of the author. You have not challenged the content of the article. The article was placed in memory or a pioneer Conservationist and writer in Australia. There have been several challenges to to this article. Each was with drawl after the challengers actually read the content. Also checked the books referred to. These books are cited in the text and the reference section. It might be best to read the article before challenging the veracity of sources. Rowe street 7.02 20 January 2014. Rowe street (talk) 00:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not a question  of the veracity  of the sources -  there aren't  any (please see WP:Reliable sources). The notability  of the article was challenged several  times and you  simply  removed the deletion  notices without  providing  sources. The article has been sent  to  WP:AfD  where the community  will decide if it is to  be kept. The debate will  last  for 7 days during  which  time you  are welcome to  provide reliable, 3rd party  sources that  discuss Noel Shaw in  depth. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

My comments
May I begin by offering my sincerest apologies for my comment to you yesterday. It was genuinely not meant to question your integrity, merely noting that my application wasn’t the strongest and so would require a show of goodwill and the exercise of a degree of latitude by whomsoever was to review it. Goodwill that was hardly likely to be curried by being seen to criticise they or one of their fellow reviewers. That is the honest truth, but I can completely understand why it did not come across that way, and so I apologise. More generally, I also apologise for the terseness of my comment. It was unwarranted. I imagine that you have enough idiots to deal with without me adding to them. Sincerely, <font color="#339900">da <font color="#009900">nn <font color="#006600">o _<font color="#336633">u <font color="#003300">k 01:51, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. There was no need actually  for an apology, but  thank you  also  for your  candour and sincerity. Happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Mitek Systems Inc.
I deleted this article per PROD, just thought you might want to know I did a tiny bit of digging. I've done so much work with COI that I couldn't help it. Turns out that the author and sole major contributor of the article has a username that matches a "Marketing Intern" who works for Mitek Systems per LinkedIn. So in addition to the issues you already outlined in your nomination, there are serious COI problems. Just thought you'd like to know, thanks! --  At am a  頭 21:38, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I see he was actually already  indeffed  5 June 2012. Chheers. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:43, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Hi, any chance you can respond to my two requests? Cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld  07:24, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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List of social networking websites
Hi Kudpung. Would you be willing to reconsider your re-protection of List of social networking websites? I actually thought things were going pretty well this time. Before I reduced the protection the list was getting quite badly out of date, and when it was semi-protected we saw Instagram added, and some of the Alexa rankings updated. And the latest red link was reverted after just 12 minutes, which doesn't seem too bad to me. I see that the user who added it had previously added it in 2012, but it doesn't look like anyone had tried to explain the reasons for its removal to them. I think making the effort to explain things to good-faith users like that would result in a better article than if we used full protection. With full protection, I'm concerned that we simply won't see any updates to the list at all, which is basically what I observed during the last period of full protection, judging by the frequency of the edit requests I answered. Let me know what you think. — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 16:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Strad. If you  look  at  the protection  log, you'll  see that  I  have protected this article many  times over the years. If  you're watching  it  as regularly  as I  am  you're welcome to  revert  to  a semi but  I  think  you'll  find it  will  be an uphill  battle. During  FP all  genuine edit requests were accorded while all non  serious requests despite the blatant  warnings I repeatedly posted on  the talk  page  were denied (see archives). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:26, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep, I've seen the protection log, and I put the page on my watchlist after I reduced the protection. I don't doubt that you're right that semi-protection will mean more administrative work, but I think it might be worth it for the end result. How about a slightly longer trial period to gauge how things go in 2014, say a month or two? — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 16:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll leave it entirely  up  to  you, I  don't  mind at all what you decide if you  want  the extra work -  it will save me having to watch it  for a while ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:47, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

YGM
Hi Kudpung - I dropped you an email, take a look at it when you get the chance please and let me know what you make of it. Best, Kevin Gorman (talk) 05:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Replied. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Count of how long one has been on Wikipedia
May I copy it from you? How do I copy it, I can't find it in your source? --78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * This tool http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pages/ will provide you  details of of user's edit  count and when they  made their first edit. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I have restricted access to websites. May I correct typos on your talk page?--78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you have restricted access to  to  certain  pages on Wikipedia, this may  be because your registered account  or IP  address has been blocked. Please do  not  correct  anything  on  my  talk or user pages or any other talk  or user pages. If you  wish  to  experiment, please consider using  the Sandbox. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I wish you could tell this user user talk:200.219.132.104 the same thing. He is now under user talk:200.219.132.103 and still does destructive editing. Check his edits here and here and many where else. And over here someone gave him a right to revert, so he reverted a bot. Could be so kind to intervene, as this his edits look a lot like destruction.--Mishae (talk) 01:09, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Only two of these IPs locate to Brazilia. Best thing to do is to file reports at AIV, and request semi page protection at  WP:PP if they are interfereing  a lot with  the same articles.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I am writing a report right now on ANI because many Messerschmitt Me articles are at stake from their edits as well. Their because user user talk:189.61.0.190 is doing the same thing. I guess its a ring of anonymous users trying to disrupt the peace and quet of this place. To be frank, we are not talking just Euromaidan articles we are talking deeper. We need to put under protection every article because they edit articles on airplanes as well.--Mishae (talk) 04:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not  sure ANI would be particularlmy  helpful - discussions there take ages to  resolve. To  stop  any  disruption  as quickly  as possible, file the reports at  AIV and RFPP wher admins are very  quick  to  react. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The same thing?--78.156.109.166 (talk) 10:16, 29 January 2014 (UTC)