User talk:Kudpung/Archive March-June 2012

Concerning Janet Turner Stilson page
Hello, Kudpung. Please let me know what I need to do to keep you from sending me comments concerning the page I am creating. This living person, who happens to be my mother, is a well-known author in my area and within organizations that I am a part of. Information I am providing on her comes either from two books she wrote, self-financed, and owns rights to or from a personal interview I held with her. I made references to all three on my page. What other types of references do you imagine that I may need? If you delete my page then I am not exactly certain what the purpose of this Wikipedia service is if a layman can't contribute legitimate and accurate information. Please let me know what I am missing here.

Do I need to have my mommy call you and give permission? ;) Finnbi (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep your facetious comments to yourself and see the warnings I will shortly be posting to your talk page. Please also see how to use talk pages. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Administrator Numbers by admin's account creation date
Hi Kudpung,

You asked me about a graph concerning admin numbers about 5 months ago. I just made a new graph. See User:SmokeyJoe/Administrator Numbers by admin's account creation date. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi!
There's a discussion on my talk page where you're mentioned. I'm really interested to get your feedback, and invite you to join us there.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

NPP survey
Hello, can you look through Wikipedia Signpost/2012-02-20/Special report to make sure I didn't screw anything up? Thanks, Res Mar 16:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

The Doon School
Hi Kudpung, Would you be interested in reviewing the Doon School page here:- Peer review/The Doon School/archive1. We are seriously working/improving/editing this article to make it a Good Article. It's the first potential good school article from India. Thanks! Merlaysamuel (talk) 17:18, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


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Happy Adminship Anniversary
Wishing Kudpung a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 00:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And from me. → Σ  τ  c . 01:56, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * me too, albeit a day late Pol430  talk to me 12:19, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Be back soon
You could drive me nuts sometimes, but you were always arguing on arguments, not emotions. So I valued your edits and sometimes pointed me at another viewpoint. I hope to clash again soon, for the better of Wikipedia. Night of the Big Wind talk  09:28, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:GreatMalvernSign.jpg
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:GreatMalvernSign.jpg, has been listed at Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 23:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It clearly says the photo was taken by himself -- Kudpung. Back off. N124BC (talk) 14:50, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It clearly says in the possibly unfree files discussion that this has nothing to do with identifying the photographer. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!
Same here! Voceditenore (talk) 15:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, for everything, I suppose. → Σ  τ  c . 03:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Interview
Hi, my name is Pedro Rodriguez. I am a student at Michigan State University, working on an exploration of the Wikipedia adminship process under Jonathan Obar. You had previously showed interest in being a interviewee for our study. I can conduct the interview via Skype or email, whichever you prefer. I can be contacted at my email: rodri397@msu.edu to set up a time to Skype or, if you wish, to obtain your email to conduct the interview that way. Thank you for your participation in our study. SirGuybrush (talk)

Hello
I just thought I would wish you a happy Easter (although four hours late) if you return. → Σ  τ  c. 03:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

 * It's great to see you back. Take things slowly, there's no need to do as much as you were doing!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks guys! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:18, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung
I have'nt been on Wikipedia for a long time. Just coming back to bring new infos. I hope you are well...:)

I read your message and I really appreciate your help. Another thing, I don't know how to remove the message stripe on the top of the article... so would you please remove it for me? If you want to bring some corrections to my English and style, you are totally welcome.

Thank you for writing,

Amité, C.C.--Kanata944 (talk) 14:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

hi thanks
thanks for helping me about ..that ..could u please explain more on it Neeraj.r.nair (talk) 09:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't recall what article/issue you are referring to. Perhaps you could provide a link.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:32, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

on adding/uploading photos to wiki articles and adding tag to it Neeraj.r.nair (talk) 09:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Evesham
hi edits were made tpo create a subsection for sport as the main section sport wasin was lost, so it makes it easier to find from menu at top. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babylon77 (talk • contribs) 06:29, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Please read a person's talk page
Please read the issue that is occurring just above on my talk page before you tag this article for deletion. Thanks Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 00:29, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed your tag. Give this a week. I see you are an ambassador? Thanks -- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:31, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am  an ambassador. With  all  due respect, as an admin you  are probably aware that  we do not  create live pages for experimental  purposes -  especially  when they  simply  duplicate existing  content. Because your current practice does not  encourage good editing habits with  new users, please consider using  a sandbox for the instruction  of your class and move the article to  mainspace when it  is ready,  Thanks.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * New content has now been added. We typically nest article (with an overview article and than sub article providing further detail). This class is struggling with respect to how to edit. This is not my class (I do not teach using Wikipedia). It is one that could definitely use an ambassador. May be you could volunteer. I agree that this class and maybe all classes should be editing in a sandbox rather than having them play within featured article. I consider this however a compromise with those who disagree with the above mentioned position. Please give more than 15 minutes for something to develop. I have edited here long enough to know Wikipedia's fifth pillar and wish to apply it here for a week. If the content the students generate is poor I will nominate this article for deletion and if consensus exists will delete it myself. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 00:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As an ambassador and an admin, I do  not  agree with  some of the principles and work  of the GEP and the Foundation's negative approach  to  the new-page patrol system which I have tried for a long  time to improve.  I  therefore prefer not  to  get further involved. If you  have a moment, do  feel  free to  explain  some of our editing  principles to  this class. Cheers. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:51, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. I try my best to explain and guide students who edit within my area of interest. It however is often slow, frustrating and sometimes time consuming. Happy editing. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:20, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Irishfriesian behaviour
Kudpung why are you vandalising and removing my paige while i'm working on it Irishfrisian (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

If you dont remove your block i will report you for abusing your adminastrative powerIrishfrisian (talk) 01:27, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I am not the one at fault here i have commited no offence and am meerly making a new way to make a paige you are over reacting commiting vandalism and abusing your power once again remove your block or i will report you and have you blockedIrishfrisian (talk) 01:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, that whole reply is entirely wrong (see WP:VANDALISM, WP:CSD). And you haven't been blocked; if you were, you would not have been able to edit this page. → Σ  τ  c . 01:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Just because my comments were critical of you dose not make them innappropriate i used no insaults and am trying tokeep it civil it's a talk page i am allowed to express my opinion on them if you can' handle criticism on your talk page then don't criticise other people on their talk pageIrishfrisian (talk) 02:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Irishfrisian
To answer your question: User talk:Irishfrisian already posted on my tp. I reverted his edit. Eeekster (talk) 01:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Wyche, Worcestershire
Hi Kudpung, I thought you might like to know about this comment in a recent Rootsweb email (not mine and not to me): "Unfortunately the Wikipedia entry for "Wyche" somewhat confuses the issue in that it states that the Wyche Cutting "defines" the border between HEF and WOR. It doesn't... What it does do is cross the border at an approximate right angle! ". Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 10:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Anyone and everyone is welcome to edit this encyclopedia for accuracy. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, I don't know the right answer and I just thought you might. Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Re:New Page Patrol
Ok. For the next time, i will read it before adding a tag. Thanks. Mbak Dede (talk) 13:30, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back
I see you've slowly started to feel better about coming back. Glad to see it. Hope to see you around! -Scottywong | comment _ 14:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks SW :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Signing
You do not appear to have signed your !vote correctly. Seeing the notice at the bottom of your talk page made me smile. :) -- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 18:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out  that font software glitch. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Question about Sourcing on Neville Farmer submission
Sawadee Kudpung - you left comments on a submission I made earlier today concerning Neville Farmer. I have some questions but am not sure if those go here, or on my Talk page. Would you be so kind as to see my questions there? Thanks. Regards, Munkyboy80 (talk) 23:31, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk  page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Well, thank you! :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

La Sera
La Sera was featured in several NY Times articles, as well as in other articles in notable papers. She has toured nationally and internationally, both by herself and as an opener for bands such as Tennis (band), Dum Dum Girls, and Screaming Females. She is signed to a record company Hardly Art. I find your deletion far too premature. Please allow me to recreate the article and give me some time to make it up to Wikipedia's standards, which can certainly be met.Thriley (talk) 22:45, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The page has been userfied to User:Thriley/La Sera (draft) where you  can continue to  develop  it. When you  feel  it  is ready  for inclusion, please request  an admin to  review it  and move it  to  main space for you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

RfB
If there is anything you would like me to try to further clarify, I would be happy to. (And as an aside, I don't recall if you've been around in the discussions where I've explained why I created those questions in the first place, but if you would like a recap, I would be happy to do that as well.)

In the meantime, I need to find the various RfA RfCs they did to finish answering one of your questions. (And as I recall, Durin (among others) used to make some very nice charts.)

Anyway, all that aside, I sincerely appreciate your comments. they were obviously well-researched, and sincere. Thank you. - jc37 04:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * We do need a few more 'crats and I'm  actually sure you'll go about it admirably. - when  I  get  back into  full-time editing  I'll  probably  run  myself ;) There were no cryptics in  my  questions, I  was simply  interested in whether you were aware of the enourmous work  we had done throughout 2011 on  research  into  what  is wrong  and corrupt with  the RfA system, and to  offer some proposals for reform. The huge project  was finally  scuppered by  the trolling of the same  regular contributors to  the RfA  process who  create most  of the drama. My  own  RfA  was a classic example of how lies and deceit (some of it  unfortunately  by  other admins) can destroy  a good user's reputation. Fortunately, I  passed with  flying  colours. Many  of the opposes came from  having  been a very  busy  editor, and just  doing  the right  thing, so  there is as much  danger in  applying  for the bit  late in  one's Wiki  carreer, as trying  for it  too  soon, and that's one of the reasons why  the seasoned editors of the right  calibre are refusing  to  run. RfA voting  seems to  have calmed down of late following  some major Arbcom cases and blocks of disruptive participants, but  the damage is done. Other users and admins won't  generally step  in  to  keep  order, as you  have seen so often yourself, and probably  the 'crats are the only  level of authority  that  could/can do something  about  it. However, a recent  'crat discussion dried up  with  a general  consensus that  it's not  their mandate - problem is, there are too  few active  'crats to  make a representative quorum  in  such  discussions. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:34, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, with apologies, I think I missed the 2011 discussions. I did find RfA Review, and Adminship poll. (I'll add them to the RfB in a moment.)
 * Besides that though, there have been a TON of discussions at WT:RFA.
 * A lot of what you're talking about is why I created my standard questions. At the time, there was a trend to create rather ridiculous questions, or pit trap/trick questions, or personal grudge/pet peeve questions. It got so bad that I thought I would see if I could create a set of questions which followed the suggested advice concerning questions at the time: That the questions deal solely, directly (and more importantly neutrally) with the tools and responsibilities of adminship.
 * I'd like to think I succeeded in that attempt. Though I understand that there have been others who feel that answering at least some of them is merely a exercise in rote response. In my experience, that's not always been the case. And I have found that the way that an individual responds can be just as informative as the answers themselves.
 * Anyway, I'm sorry I missed out on the 2011 efforts. It looks like a lot of work went into that.
 * If in the future there are any discussions you think I might be interested in, please feel free to drop me a note. I appreciate such friendly notices. - jc37 05:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There is always a ton of discussion at  WT:RfA. Unfortunately it's completely peren and unfocussed, and more akin to  a discussion  in  the local  pub about  last  night's Coronation Street  episode. That's exactly  why  WP:RFA2011 was created. It  did more research, analysis,  and structured discussion  on  RfA  matters in  8 months than had been done in  the previous 8 years. What  people misunderstood was that  contrary  to  their belief (or hope) that  the project  was designed to  make it  easier for everyone to  get  the bit, the goal  was not to  make it  easier, but  to  transform  RfA into  a venue that  would attract  not  only the serious, experienced editors to  run  for office, but  also  encourage more serious and clueful  voters to  take part. The project  had the personal support  of Wale,s and the WMF. One of the suggestions for reform, among  the many,  for example, was that  a panel  of 'crats should grant  the bit  to  adminship  contenders who  would be proposed and seconded by at least two  admins, instead of the anarchy of voting on the present  system.    There are plenty of draft proposals lying dormant in that  project, but due to  disruption  from  trolls, none of them actually made it  to RfC. . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * WT:RFA wasn't always like that. Once upon a time there was a lot of fairly intensive discussion there. However, then as now, little ever got out of discussion to be implemented.
 * If there is a discussion you'd like to see an RfC on, propose it. There are few topics that are so awful that they cannot be discussed : ) - jc37 06:28, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The work was supposed to be a team  effort in order to hone the proposal statements to  perfection  before launching  the RfCs. Membersof the team  were being  insulted, attacked,  and slandered by  trolls around the site behind their backs for their work on  RfA reform and weren't  prepared to  post  an RfC as an individual. The trolls had their way, Arbcom decided that  if trolls do  good content  work, they  can be excused for being  abusive and disruptive, and the 40-strong  task force went  home. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:58, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Pershore High.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:Pershore High.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:59, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Erroneous tagging: file is in use and has FUR. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

No subject
HI, I'm trying to edit an article in my sandbox because it's a somewhat major revision and I want to allow other editors to comment before making it live. You just deleted it from my user space. YOU ARE NOT HELPING. If you would like to discuss, I would be happy to, but You have caused me to lose several hours of work and I am EXTREMELY unhappy with you. I will try to be civil, but what you did is simply unacceptable and copntrary to the spirit of cooperation that I find (almost) everywhere else on wiki. Please leave my user space alone. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Bondi Beer
Happened to come across the page and rewrote it a bit, post your deletion. Could you check it now, please? Buggie111 (talk) 14:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've corrected some grammar. You might  wish  to  add stub tags, cats, a prohject  banner to  the talk  page, and expand the article a bit. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

TimberTech
You recently deleted my article on the composite decking company TimberTech. I was just wondering what I need to do to make it a viable wikipedia article. Thanks Deckinginformer (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:ORG and WP:COI, and WP:RS. Unfortunately there is probably little that  can be done to  assert notability  of this organisation for  an inclusion  in  the encyclopedia. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC).

lol
re: Chedzilla/common.js ... you funny :). Chedzilla (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Need some eyes
Hi Kudpung. If you're around, I could use some administrative eyes on Adeena Karasick. There are two obviously COI editors (or maybe only one, if you get my drift), who insist upon adding puffery, OR, copyvio, unreliable sources, you name it, to the article. See for example, the history and the talk pages of this user and this one. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed the article, left messages on  the article talk page and the talk pages of the creator and the major contributing  IP, and removed the unfree photo and listed it for deletion. I now have it all on my watchlist but do give me a nudge if I  miss anything. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kudpung! Hopefully the message will eventually sink in. Actually, Karasick is a fairly notable Canadian poet. I plan to expand the article with proper references in the next couple of days and remove the remaining puffery. It's funny... the kind of nonsense and obvious puffery the editor(s) kept adding only served to make her look ridiculous, although perhaps that's all part of her ...er... "pre-Flarff, neo-Fluxus performatics." :) By the way, how come you don't have a ToC on your talk page? Voceditenore (talk) 10:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * PS Check your email x 2. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * TOC - fixed. I  took it off while I  was on  'leave of absence'. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:57, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, much more convenient, and thank you for my shiny thing. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

TfDs
What? Using Twinkle to nominate a template for deletion is a minute operation--just viewing a long article like Abraham Lincoln will cause more strain. If you feel like informing of this is a waste of time, why did you do it? I just don't get your post at all. What do you want from me? What do you want to be different? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm more concerned about the extra work your Twinkle operations ultimately cause for others who may have to take part in why might be generally unnecessary discussions and eventual admin work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Work No one is obliged to participate in TfD. If it goes a week without any feedback, then they will be deleted. The actual process of deletion is not terribly difficult, either, so I'm still not sure what your beef is: is it about server strain or the fact that admins are responsible for deleting things? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:30, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That's precisely the problem - too few active admins and most of them are concerned with the more necessary issues of really needed page deletions (and/or keeps). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * RfA The solution is to promote someone at RfA--I'm sure that there are several admins-to-be who can help. Your responses are frustrating and borderline useless because you can't seem to answer the straight-forward questions I posed: what do you want me to do differently? If there are templates which should be deleted, then that's not my fault. Finding them is the first step in having them deleted, so it creates less work for me to do that. Statements like "you might wish to take more notice of what goes on at Wikipedia and follow some of the recent cases where Arbcom chooses to condone some of the most blatant personal attacks and vile language" come across as vague threats: tell me something explicit that you mean here or else I have no idea what you want but I get the impression that you're using the specter of your administrator privileges and ArbCom intervention to scare me into not editing. Or something. What are you talking about? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

reply
Thanks for your input. I was negligent in the case of the three schools in New Brunswick. At the school district's article, the one school I asked to withdraw was listed in with the middle schools. However, I stand behind the other two that I made at that time. Am I incorrect in my reading that middle schools are not notable on their face? Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The general consensus arrived at  through dozens of perennial discussions (started anew every  time a newcomer starts nominating  schools for deletion), is that  while not  'inherently' notable, secondary and high schools that  provide education up to the level  of a national  school  leaving  certificate, will  be kept  if they  are at  least  proven to  exist. Primary (elementary)  schools and middle schools on  the other hand, must meet our criteria for notability, that is, they must  have something really special about them. that  can be sourced.  That  said, they  still  escape deletion if they are not notable: the normal accepted procedure for non-notable schools is to blank  and redirect them to an entry on their school district  article (USA schools) or to  the education  section of the article about their location. If an entry isn't there already, it should be made. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I get it now. I understand you to say that I can go ahead and do the redirect on the other two middle schools, leaving the Academy as it is.  If that is not correct, please let me know on my talk page.  If I don't hear from you, I shall proceed as above.  Sorry to be such a pain in the butt.  It was never my intention to nominate a high school; instead that was just a case of my lack of due diligence, if you will.  It won't happen again.  Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's actually less complicated than it sounds: We  keep  secondary/high  schools if they  exist and are not  blatant  adverts for private schools. Primary  and middle schools can generally be summarily  blanked and redirected unless they  have some extraordinary  reason  to  be notable. So  nothing  needs to  be deleted or nominated fore deletion. If  the creator of a redirected school  complains, the redirect can easily  be undone, without any need for admin tools, until the matter is settled -  which  might at  that stage mean going to AfD. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Request for undeletion
The page I made, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARLT_Foundation was deleted under Section A7 under the Criteria for Speedy Deletion (No indication of importance), however this section states, "with the exception of educational institutions", and ARLT Foundation is a non profit educational institution, so I believe the page was wrongly deleted. Thank you Cathp147 (talk) 15:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In its current  state it  is an unreferenced advert and does not  demonstrate importance or reason  why  it  should be included in  the encyclopedia. Educational  schools are not  inherently  notable. I can restore it  to  your user space where you can work on it  until  it  has correctly  referenced and has been reviewed by an admin  for reinsertion  to  main  space. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see, could you return it to my user space please? I will work on it. what sort of references would be required? Are you looking for founder names, or headquarters addresses? would these things help? Thank you Cathp147 (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have restored the article to  your user sub-page at  User:Cathp147/ARLT Foundation (draft). Please see WP:ORG for the required criteria for inclusion which  should be supported by  independent  Reliable Sources.  In  the case of a genuine red-brick school or college, which  the deletion exception  is aimed at, the recommendations at  WP:SCH/AG will  also  help. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great, thank you very much. I will do my very best to fix the article to adhere to the guidelines, and hopefully we can get it included. Thanks! Cathp147 (talk) 15:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

See Me Not
Hi, Kudpung. You deleted the article for See Me Not just now. I understand you did it because you thought the article was "Unremarkable musical recording where artist's article doesn't exist." Right? But the artist's article Saroos already exists now. So I want you to put it back. Thank you. 122.29.121.121 (talk) 15:21, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the the references provided for the Saroos article do not  contribute to  the required criteria for music groups at  WP:BAND and is  also  slated for deletion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In the "History" section of Saroos, it is written that the band has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour. So the artist's article satisfies the notability guidelines. 122.29.121.121 (talk) 15:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Written, but not  supported by  independent  articles in  the established music press. Unfortunately  the references provided are simply release and/or pre-release notices and basic reviews. These alone do  not  establish  any  reason  why  this band is particularly notable. Please note that  if you have a Wikipedia account you must remember to log in to avoid your IP address being blocked from editing. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)
 * I added a review for Saroos' Europe tour. So it's notable now. 122.29.121.121 (talk) 16:22, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * We"ll let  the community experts decide. Please don't be offended if I  ask for a check  on  all  users who  connect  from  your IP  number.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll just  add that  that's not  a review. It's simply  a tour  date list. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Look at the 6th reference. It's a review. The 5th and 7th references are tour dates, though. 122.29.121.121 (talk) 16:31, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I just  happen to  be perfectly  trilingual  in  English, French, and German. (fact). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If the community experts decide that Saroos is notable and AfD template are removed, I want you to put See Me Not back as soon as possible. OK? 122.29.121.121 (talk) 16:50, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid See Me Not is forever gone, because it takes time to create a page like that... 122.29.121.121 (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If the Saroos article is kept  at  AfD you  can ask  any  admin to  restore your See Me Not  article -  politely  of course,  or just  recreate it after ensuring  that  all  claims in  it  are correctly  referenced. And FWIW, a page like that  is created in  5 minutes. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I got it. But please keep in mind that a newcomer like me can't create it in 5 minutes as you do. 122.29.121.121 (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You won't  be able to  create it  anyway -  unless you  log in. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I know. But I just wanna tell you that saying such a thing hurts me. Don't laugh at me writing slowly. 122.29.121.121 (talk) 17:43, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
'bout time you  had autopatrolled rights! Shall I give them to  you? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It's worth reviewing some of the discussions about that at his talkpage first. TAP is currently barred from requesting any form of rights, however in theory he's not barred from accepting any. (Latest discussion was here I think, the discussions are a bit all over the place). Might be a good idea to check with User:MBisanz, who some while ago unblocked TAP with the requirement that he not request rights. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:59, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive editing notice
You recently gave a me a vandalism notice stating I would be blocked if I continued, yet provided no evidence of vandalism. Was this an error? Nicokroeker (talk) 18:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite right, and it was not  an error. The evidence is in your editing history, the history of the vandalised pages, and the messages  and warnings on  your talk  page. I'm  sure you  won't  mind either if I have  check  run on  other 'users' who  may have connected to  Wikipedia from  your computer. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * So what did I vandalize? Nicokroeker (talk) 19:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Check your editing history and that of any other accounts you may have been using. Please remember that if you continue to disrupt this encyclopedia or create inappropriate pages you may be possibly be risking a block of your IP address. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:34, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 June 2012

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Talkback
Thanks,User Talk:W.D. 14:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Southgate College
Professor Geoffrey Goodson......I linked this to Towson University website......I assumed that to be verifiable source?

regards.......Alistair Harley  alistair@alistairharley.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alistairharley (talk • contribs) 16:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Goodson does not meet  our criteria at  WP:ACADEMIC. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

What is the criteria then. Professor Goodson is a real person who attanded the college and is an Alumni. I also attended the college and am also an Alumni. I can give links to commercial website www.alistairharley.com/so obviously I am not doing this. I could put a link to friends reunited website or Linkedin........is that ok? Alistair Harley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alistairharley (talk • contribs) 09:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No Alistar, I'm afraid you can't - social networking sites are an absolute no no. The criteria are listed at WP:ACADEMIC and WP:RS. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Professor Geoffrey Goodson...........I cant see anything on the link you gave that says the source I linked him to was not allowed. The link was to verfify he was a real person, not that he done some verifyable research. How does one get onto wikipedia as an alumni? Geoffrey Goodson and I were both attending Winchmore School and Southgate College at the same time. What do you want.....a copy of the teachers register saying we went there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alistairharley (talk • contribs) 15:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Declined CSD
Concerning User_talk:Mithunc: Thank you for the advice; I am still learning on many levels. Doin' my best, Mithunc (talk) 18:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Nonsense
hey! why are you deleting my page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamgauravkumar1 (talk • contribs) 08:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

plz help me to defend my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamgauravkumar1 (talk • contribs) 08:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not the place to  promote yourself or your hobby. Please stop  disrupting  the encyclopedia now or you  may  risk being  blocked from editing  it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Get It While It's Hot
Hi. I noticed that you redirected the page to Nodesha — first of all, you should give a rationale for that in the edit summary, and secondly, I am working on the article by expanding it. Interrupting (such as tagging for speedy deletion, like another user did, and redirecting) aren't very helpful and seem kind of disruptive. So can I work on the article first, and if you still feel that it's not worthy of inclusion, you can AfD it. Thanks. Till I Go Home talk  stalk 13:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Precisely why I redirected it - if I had been doing my job properly I would have deleted it. Pages should be worthy  of inclusion  before they  are posted to  mainspace. Perhaps you  could consider working  on  a copy  of it  in  your user space until  it's ready, and then you  can rv the redirect.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:34, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Too late, I've already reverted the redirect and am currently expanding the article — which to me is always the better option. Okthanksbye. Till I Go Home talk  stalk 13:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Mitlaufer deletion
Please explain to me why "mitlaufer" ought to be deleted "according to WP deletion policies." There already is an article on its translation "fellow-traveller" and another editor has tried to create a non-existent link (because there is no article for "mitlaufer"). The word has an important historical use in English. Given in particular that it is already in use in other WP articles (e.g., Heidegger and Riefenstahl), why would you simply propose the article for deletion and not at least explain yourself? Indeed, yes, just fantastic, arbitrarily propose an article for deletion. Do you at least have a recommendation on linking a definition of "mitlaufer" in articles that use it? Mfhiller (talk) 01:16, 12 June 2012 (UTC)mfhiller
 * I have not  deleted the article. In  my  opinion  it  s a dictionary  entry, but  in keeping with  policy  I have offered it to the community who will decide through due process. You  are welcome to  add your explanations to  that  debate. FWIW I  am  also  bilingual  and am  aware that  the word  is also  used in  a much  broader sense in  everyday  parlance. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:20, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. We'll see what the decision is. Mfhiller (talk) 03:15, 13 June 2012 (UTC)mfhiller

Socially Useful Productive Work page deletion notice
Hello

I got a message that the said page will be deleted. While I agree that my contribution to the page is minimal, I must add that SUPW is a very important part of India's school curriculum. While most schools have done away with it, all schools affiliated to the Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations have it as a compulsary subject till last year of school. The idea behind starting a page dedicated to it was to make a start. I am sure other contributors will be willing to help out and expand the page. I am, myself, right now not in a position to add anything beyond what I did.

I rest my case. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memamia2005 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the page doesn't  stand much  chance of survival  if it's importance for the Wikipedia as an encyclopedic article cannot be established. We  need to  note that  an encyclopedia does not have articles about every  subject  that is in the national curriculum  of every  country - whether they  are being  taught  right  now or have been abandoned. Maybe there would be more use for an article of this kind  in  one of the Indic Wikis. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi!
Hey! Thanks for deleting the 'D.J. Kennedy' topic so fast. I was just about to mark it for deletion, but you got it before I did. :-) At32296 (talk) 02:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Big Air School
Hello Kudpung. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Big Air School, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article claims coverage in reliable sources. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:54, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't agree, but far be it from me to argue with a fellow admin ;) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:00, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Ridgewell
I am writing to ask why you have deleted the reference to Thomas Ridgewell.

Thomas is a bona fide filmmaker and co-creator of Edds World, a popular Youtube channel. Given the nature of Wikipedia it seems perverse to remove his listing, when the very sphere that he works in is the internet.

Thomas graduated from University of Lincoln in 2010 with a Degree in Media Production. During his time at University he was very active in film making and towards the end was the 200th most subscribed YouTube user.

Since then he has appeared as a guest on several News and Factual programmes discussing the wider implications of the internet, and is also responsible for inspiring a younger generation of content creators.

It just seemed very odd to remove his entry., as he is mentioned elsewhere on Wikipedia, and I do not understand the logic in removing the page. Could I ask that the page be re-instated so that perhaps people can improve the content and include more citations.

Many thanks

CPH

80.229.246.153 (talk) 07:11, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The deletion of the article was a recent community decision at Articles_for_deletion/Thomas_Ridgewell. The large number of deletions by  other admins confirms (see: Article Deletion Log) and maintains this decision. In  deleting yet another recreation, I am in turn also upholding that community decision. The page can eventually be Userfied for development by a  registered user if another administrator agrees, but it will not be able to be posted to mainspsace until it has been reviewed for notability according to policy and meets the criteria.. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Re:New Page Patrolling
Sorry. I think it's a blatant advert, so I delete the wikify tag. Dede2008 (talk) 13:11, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Help with My Article
Hi I recently created an article titled "Raj Goel." I edited it and I was wondering if you could see if it is any better? Thanks!

Klorourke07 (talk) 14:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it is not any better. It's slightly  less promotional  but In fact after having checked all  the references, I  felt it  had to  be proposed for deletion.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:16, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Edmund Roberts (diplomat)
Edmund Roberts (diplomat) started off in Wiki's new workspace format, where it was immediately thumb-downed. I copied it to my sandbox before appealing. Another admin merged the two and moved it to article space. Unfortunately, I've done a lousy job with it since then, and have received no help at all, though I did get a thank-you on my talk page. I'm limited by the way my mind works. I've not even finished reading his book, which I got from Googlebooks as such a horrible mish-mash that my brain makes me re-format in Word to read it. Doing that, however, makes me hare off to many other articles to post Roberts' comments; for one of many, History of Bangkok. Roberts also says natives usually refer to the new capital simply as "Krung" (capital,) and my wife says so did she, as a child. On another page other that the reference given, he gives the origin for what he spells "Bang-kok," as coming from orchards (kok)nalong both banks of the river that supplied fruit to the old capital. He doesn't say "Bang" means "haven," or "bank" where a canoe can be moored, but I stumbled across that in a history of the founding of Mukdahan that I have lost. Since you are a hard task master, maybe you can help me be more focused, and whip this appalling article into better shape. If you're so inclined, please put remarks on Roberts's talk page, to include remarks on what you've changed. You might also check "What links here" for what I put in other articles. --Pawyilee (talk) 05:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Paw. Nice to hear from you. I'll  take a look  when I get  a moment. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've had a very quick  look  at  it and corrected a couple of typos. On the whole I  think there may  be too  much  background that  is not  strictly  related to  the biography  of the subject. Do  bear  this in  mind when adding  new content  so  as not  to  make too  much  work  for yourself. Otherwise it seems to  coming  along  nicely. I'll  take another look  when you've filled some of the empty  sections. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:20, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Dimitri Gutas
Very disappointed to see you add that PROD so quickly after I created the article. Did you do a search? He gets quoted in the New York Times, etc, see for a book mentioning his expertise, and how about  Islamic philosophy, science, culture, and religion; studies in honor of Dimitri Gutas. Would that have been published if he wasn't an expert? Maybe you could add that for me? I'm surprised at this reaction of yours, if anyone else had done it I might have made a formal complaint. Dougweller (talk) 05:50, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * As it happens, I'm all in favour of academics having Wikipedia pages: Quote from my user page: Why does every sports person who has played one professional game, every street musician, every bit part actor, every kid who went on X Factor and Got Talent, and every small town hack and painter merit an article on the flimsiest of sources, while life-long academics have to jump through a whole page of hoops? If  I'd checked who was the author (which  for some reason  I didn't  this time) I would have left  it  alone. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, that does make me feel better. I'm not a brilliant writer but I couldn't understand why you'd delete something I wrote. Dougweller (talk) 06:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Today's featured article/June 13, 2012
you wrote to me, that this article "Today's featured article/June 13, 2012" would be deleted, but i did not create it, why are you informing me? thanks, mike


 * Please sign your post and provide a link to  the article. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:54, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Notability of academics
See User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 107 Dougweller (talk) 08:22, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: HLD Club
Hello Kudpung. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of HLD Club, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: not unambiguously promotional - also suggests that it may be notable. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you weren't an admin, I'd probably warn you for removal CSD template ;)  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

MfD nomination of WikiProject Schools/List of school article creators
WikiProject Schools/List of school article creators, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/List of school article creators and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of WikiProject Schools/List of school article creators during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Calu2000 (talk) 16:44, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleted it myself per G6 & G7 . --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:28, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

you're a bad admin
that is all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legodudemook (talk • contribs) 18:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above user is rather suspicious so I have started a sock investigation. Egg   Centri  c  18:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ably blocked by one D Brown. Egg   Centri  c  18:44, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: User:Kudpung/RfA criteria
Kudpung, the dot point I removed was an exact duplicate of a preceding dot point. You can see that from this version from before my edit – points 2 and 5 under "Deliberately misleading" are identical. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 01:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Central Group COI
Hi. I've looked at each of the articles you recently tagged for COI, and didn't find improper advertising or NPOV in any of them, so I've removed the tags for now. I agree, though, that the articles could benefit from expansion based on secondary sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:44, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree Paul, but  not  by  the current  contributor who  IMHO  has a massive COI and ostensibly edits  simply  to  promote business in  which  s/he has a vested interest as a shareholder.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I know you have reasons for suspicion, but I think you're coming across as pretty harsh and accusatory in your comments. Personally I don't think having in one's portfolio possibly something like 0.01% of shares in a publicly listed company is a solid indication of "massive COI". If we're going to have zero tolerance then any average person who has contributed earnings to a pension fund will have to be barred from editing the majority of business articles. Perhaps a little more good faith could be assumed here? Regarding images I don't see what could remain of issue since the disputed fair-use images have been deleted. As for the Commons images, what I see is failure to verify the veracity of the original uploader's ownership claims; nothing at all seems to indicate sockpuppetry is likely involved. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair comments Paul, but I will admit to having llearned  to  have a very  suspicious mind on Wikipedia - perhaps it's why I've discovered so many socks and COI in the past. It's not a lack of GF, it's just my way of helping to keep the place clean. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

User:KANYABIGEGA Silas
The sockpuppet user User:KANYABIGEGA Silas has returned with another account, User:Silas Kanyabigea. Would you block this new account? Thanks, SwisterTwister   talk  03:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Blocked without hesitation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 Eastlaw  talk ⁄ contribs 03:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

reply on edit
The edit I made on Guide to requests for adminship, was a edit to change an unnessesary comment, about someone writing, "I want to be an admin so bad", now i'm paraphrasing but that needed to be taken off.

Dominicskywalker (talk) 13:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)dominicskywalker

Left by the ship
you're right I will tag appropriately, cheers Alphaswitch91 (talk) 14:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Stranded opera composer navboxes
Hi Kudpung, Remember the mass opera composer navbox TfD? Anyhow, the list of 2 and and 3 opera navboxes was closed as "Keep". I now discover that the nominator had nominated another 15 composer navboxes on the same day (May 30) but forgot to list them in the deletion discussion. Consequently, they are still languishing with TfD templates on them and no linked discussion. All of them are 2 or 3 opera ones and would have been kept had they been listed properly. I'm happy to remove the TfD templates from them with an edit summary referring to the deletion discussion. Just wanted to check if I could do that or if it needs an admin. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm  not  quite sure. Perhaps the best thing  to do would be to vote or comment on those TfD with a keep rationale linking to the one that  was kept. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is there is no TfD discussion where I can comment. He failed to list them anywhere. See What links here for Template:Viardot operas. All fifteen on the list above are the same. All the articles they're transcluded in now say: "The template below (Viardot operas) is being considered for deletion. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus." I think I'll try contacting Plastikspork, the admin who closed the original TfD. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:33, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's something odd going  on  there, but  I  haven't  a clue what  it  is. These are XfD areas I  very  rarely  venture into  and I've never really  understood how they  work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:45, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * All's well. Plastikspork post hoc added them to the closed TfD, then removed the templates. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Question
hi, I really don't understand why you keep deleting my new articles. Maybe "like a boss 2" was a bit wrong, and I didn't know that wikipedia already had an article on pi, but the article on Fernman was a perfectly good short biography of an important biologist. Please put the article about Fernman back up, or at least give me a good explanation why it is inapropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thediamonddealer2 (talk • contribs) 06:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should follow some of the many links in  all  the messages on  your talk  page, especially  the one in  the welcome message about Biographies of living persons, and then WP:A7 which will tell you why that short, vague, unreferenced article that makes no credible claims of notability will almost  certainly not be accepted. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:22, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the tip- but please stay calm and don't get angry for no reason. I will check the links as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thediamonddealer2 (talk • contribs) 07:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

West Rome High School AfD
You transclused Articles for deletion/West Rome High School onto AfD twice. KTC (talk) 09:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly, the first one went haywire due to a Twinkle glitch so I deleted it and started again. The first AfD shouldn't  exist. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:47, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Joey shaw (photographer)
Article was been deleted before via AfD under the article's title of Joey Shaw. I added a CSD tag.

Looks like last go around was full of fun filled sockpuppets. So, I filled a new SPI case.

I wonder what the odds are on when a sockpuppet removes the CSD tag? Bgwhite (talk) 05:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. Looks like I actually did one of the earlier deletions myself. Page has already been deleted by another admins so I've closed the AfD as a speedy, and protected the page and its derivatives. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm lucky to remember what I did yesterday. With all the work you do, I'm surprised you aren't in the same boat as me. Oh, you forgot to send me the ฿10,000 baht I was owed.  I'm sure you remember that.  Bgwhite (talk) 17:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oof! ฿10,000 is a lot of money here and somehow I have to make my way to Washington in a couple of weeks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I crossed paths (in a good way)
with you recently and wandered over to your page to check it out. Something do when I know that i won't have time to do serious editing because my partner is about to say "Let's go. Now." Anyway, I was intrigued by your discussion of New Page Patroller, thought that I might be interested, but when I went to the page it scarred the crap out of me. Is it really as complicated as it looks? (to be cont.) Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really complicated, but it does require a good deal of competency and a reasonably thorough knowledge of policies. Unfortunately, there are no official requirements to be an NPPer so the system is more or less broken by newbies who want to play policemen without having gone to cop college first - and they appear to make up the majority of patrollers,  until they get it wrong so often that they are asked to stop.  So, yes, the instructions are, I  suppose, designed in a way to  scare people away from it unless they are prepared to thoroughly read and digest the instructions. That said, anyone with a genuine desire to help out at NPP can be sure of massive support. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I think I'll wander back to the New Page Patroller stuff and try to digest it. I have a pretty comfortable knowledge of what should and should not be included in wikipedia, though, I must admit to being perhaps too much of an inclusionist and anarchist to always do what needs to be done. Still if I catch one or two needless articles a week that is a couple that someone else does not need to do. Thanks for your prompt, informative reply. Carptrash (talk)

Water Music Publishing
Hey kudpung, in regards to the Water Music Publishing page, what are the the exact reasons so we can work to fix this and get the page up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcaliotta (talk • contribs) 18:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see the comments on the deletion notice on your talk page - in particular, do  take a moment  to  follow the links in  the welcome message. In  short, all  Wikipedia articles must  make a clear demonstration  of notability. The rules for this kind of  article are at  WP:ORG and WP:RS. Hope this helps. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Water Music Publishing
Appreciate the response Kudpung, for fixing the page would you be able to fill me in on the specifics as too what actually needs to me more notable because there is plenty of information on the page so we're not too sure what exactly has to be fixed. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcaliotta (talk • contribs) 19:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Please click the link in the title that I have added above to your post to read the community's decision. We have done our research and unfortunately your company is unlikely to meet our criteria at the present time. Please note also that you  may not edit as a group or represent your own company on Wikipedia (see: WP:COI). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:54, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Saroos
According to WP:CSD, "If a page has survived its most recent deletion discussion, it should not be speedy deleted except for newly discovered copyright violations." So why don't you remove the notice? Cvlwr (talk) 08:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It did not 'survive' the deletion discussion,  the AfD was closed as 'no consensus'  because not enough people voted on it. It should have been relisted. The article is still not exempt from providing sustainable references that assert notability, which  it does not. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:51, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, you should read Criteria for speedy deletion carefully.
 * A7 criterion "does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The criterion does apply if the claim of significance or importance given is not credible. If the claim's credibility is unclear, you can improve the article yourself, propose deletion, or list the article at articles for deletion."
 * Also, "It is irrelevant whether the claim of notability within the article is not sufficient for the notability guidelines. If the claim is credible, the A7 tag can not be applied."
 * Last but not least, "Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion." See also Notability. --Cvlwr (talk) 20:57, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm quite annoyed
Why is the page CROSS GENE being considered to be deleted! I'm just really annoyed because I spent a lot of time on it -__- I seriously don't see the problem. I want direct point of what is wrong, not some one telling me to read something that I've already read, what I want is a clear point as to what is wrong with this friggin article. Should I just add more articles? Because Cross Gene has been gaining attention from China, Korea, and Japan because of each member being from a different country, if the problem is that it isn't "important." Which is really dumb to me because that's basically an opinion. I wish the admins here would learn about a topic before thinking it isn't important immediately. The only problem I can think of is expanding, and if that is the problem then please don't delete it, I'm working on it at the same time but I am having internet problems in the temporary area I am forced to be. I will be moving tomorrow so I basically can work on this again on Friday. I guess I'm annoyed because earlier a bot deleted it because I was in the middle of editing and I added a ton like this but by the time I saved it was all gone, so sorry if I come off rudely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukiss13elieve (talk • contribs) 22:35, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * More reasons to prepare articles in the user space we give you before publishing them to mainspace. Like anything else in life, there is no substitute for reading instructions. If your artuicle meets our criteria it will not be deleted. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Um...That didn't answer anything to be honest, and you a addressed something that kinda made no sense. I asked what was the problem, and I never got the answer. Also, to the instructions part, like I said, I read all the pages before when I edited another article, boring but helpful, though not always clear. I wasn't asking for a substitute, because there isn't anything to substitute, I just asked for a clear answer, which isn't what I got. The reply I was kinda looking for was: The problem is... lol More like guidance. I don't understand the point of the talk page if you aren't told what is wrong and are always referred to the wiki pages. I've read them before, I'm asking you because I don't understand the problem. Obviously it wont be deleted if it met the criteria, but what is it not meeting? Yeah, I realized that after the deletion, but that doesn't really excuse the flawed bot, which should be fixed. Why must there be such a patronizing tone? Anyways, please just tell me if it isn't meeting the importance matter or what ever, 'cause that can be easily fixed. Ukiss13elieve (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:15, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not my fault that Wikiopedia has become such a maze of bureaucracy that the instructions have to explained over and over again. I'll look into it for you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a very short article that does not indicate any importance for a Wikipedia entry. If the band has charted, it might have been worth the mention  and it would not only have expanded the article, but relived us of the effort of having to translate the only reference that was provided. Please note that AfD is not a deletion process per se, it is the fairest method to decide if an article should be kept or deleted,  but The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Perhaps clearly intoning in the article text that the band has charted, and adding some references will help. As it stands, there is one vote for keep, and one for delete. As the band apparently meets a notability criterion, it unlikely to be deleted. Hope this helps. See: WP:BAND, WP:GNG, WP:RS, WP:AfD. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you! That's what I was looking for lol, oh, and some one deleted all of my references for some reason... and they moved the page to Cross Gene, I don't know why, is there a way to make it go back? I've been trying to change it. The group's proper name is CROSS GENE, not Cross Gene. Thank you! :D They've been charted now, I was waiting for the charts to released and they finally have. Thank you, sorry for being annoying lol. Sometimes it feels like a personal attack, I was hostile, sorry! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukiss13elieve (talk • contribs) 18:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to bombard you with links again, but it's really much easier than me simply paraphrasing the instructions again here. Also, by doing  it your self, you'll learn the editing rules more rapidly -  there's nothing like hand-on experience. See WP:MOVE for instructions on changing a page name, but first read WP:CAPS and then the parent guideline at WP:TITLE. Oh, and please remember to sign your messages. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Max Viwe &#124;  Viwe The Max  10:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Nathan2055talk - contribs 20:04, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Justin Rodhe
Hi,

Justin Rhode will compete 100% sure at the 2012 Olympics, he is a top 10 ranking world class shot putter. I don’t even understand why you want to delete this.

TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 20:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you'll check again. The IAAF entry might just have saved his bacon - but I'm not a specialist on sports. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What does it mean? You want to erase it because you know nothing about some sports? Please be positive in your edits or stay away.

Justin Rhode current rankings: http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=o/age=n/season=2012/sex=M/all=n/legal=A/disc=SP/detail.html TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 20:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Where do you  see that I want to delete it. Please check  the article history. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:08, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * "Welcome to Wikipedia" message on my talking page????? I'm contributing regularely for 6 years at Wikipeida, and this is the first time an administrator like you cause me trouble like this. I dont understand your point, please clarify. This article has no reasons to be deleted at all.

TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 21:16, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * FWIW I'm not the only editor who doubts the notability of this subject, and it may soon be sent to AfD for a community  decision. It's a shame you can't check up on the article history before you come here being rude. Please see the header template of this talk page. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:26, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Encore Atlanta article
Hi. If you look at the page's edit history, you'll see that the article was indeed a copyright violation when I tagged it; the page creator, when notified, put the text into his/her own words, noting this on the talk page. Compare the version I tagged with this page, and you'll see that they're practically identical. As an administrator, could you delete the infringing revisions? Thanks. Chris the Paleontologist (talk • contribs) 20:24, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, the new user Kris3011 has removed your PROD; time to take it to AfD? Chris the Paleontologist (talk • contribs) 20:30, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've already done that. The reason I removed the CSD was because the issue of COPYVIO  had been addressed. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Restore See Me Not
I think it's time to restore See Me Not. Cvlwr (talk) 20:32, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What's stopping you? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You wrote "you can ask any admin to restore your See Me Not article" above. But you don't want to restore it? Cvlwr (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please discuss this with admin Drmies - s/he declined the CSD. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:47, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you refusing to restore it? I guess you are one of the administrators. Cvlwr (talk) 20:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not 'refusing' to restore it, I just don't want anything more to do with it because the decision has been taken out of my hands by the admin who believes the parent article passes our criteria for notability. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:57, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether if you want anything more to do with it or not. You are a administrator. And you once wrote, "you can ask any admin to restore your See Me Not article". Cvlwr (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's right, 'any admin' - and far be it from me to tread on a fellow administrator's toes. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:26, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of James Simanthi
I am sorry ................... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simanthi (talk • contribs) 20:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

James Simanthi deletion
can u please send me a copy of my page James Simanthi, that you deleted
 * This was an article you wrote about yourself. Please contact admin JohnCD who deleted it. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Justin Rodhe
Curious about your change of heart at Justin Rodhe – do you think the IAAF ref indicates he meets WP:NTRACK? If so, which criterion? If not, then why not leave it prodded? I would go ahead with an AfD, but I don't want to be too hasty in case he actually does meet the guidelines. Thanks. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 21:15, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think it does, but I don't know if the IAAF source alone is sufficient  and I  prefer to  err on  the side of caution. I still  never understood -  even as an admin - why  sportspeople get WP articles on the flimisiest of sources while chair professors and leading  research academics have to jump through  a whole load of hoops before they  are allowed a mention. WP is fast becoming a sports almanac -  if it isn't  already. Maybe someone would like to AfD the article and let the community  decide.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:22, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I somehow missed the above section on the same topic earlier. I'm going to talk to the creator and maybe proceed to AfD. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 00:16, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Concerning Joanna Clapps Herman
Srdemuro (talk) 22:10, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Anuj Tikku
You're right. Jumped the gun. Thanks for the boot in the butt. I'll watch timestamps more carefully. Regards, -- Man way  18:14, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

SPECTRE (artist collective)
You PRODded this: I don't know whether you noticed that the article author removed your PROD almost at once. I only noticed because XLinkBot, in reverting a link addition, restored the PROD, which put it back in the list. At a glance, I share your doubts about it, but I cannot be bothered to investigate further - over to you to decide whether to AfD it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * AfD'd. Thanks for the heads up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)