User talk:Loren36/Archive1

Read this first if you're about to complain about me modifying one of your edits
I've recieved some feedback from people whose edits I reverted or modified about this, let me state first that I believe that the whole goal behind Wikipedia is to provide unbiased facts for the reader to come to his or her own conclusions about the incident in question. Editorializing is not a NPOV. I will revert or modify any edit to contraversial articles that I happen to come across which I believe violates NPOV regardless of whether or not I agree with the sentiments expressed by it's author. If I end up being bashed by extremists on both sides of an issue, then I'll take that to mean that I'm doing a good job of being neutral.

Having said all that, if you still feel that I am in error in reverting your edit, feel free to let me know about it on my talk page. Just a friendly suggestion: I tend to take your complaints more seriously if you express them in a civil manner.

The exception to this are math and science related articles. If you disagree with the Theory of Gravity, you can go walk off a balcony. ;) --Loren 11:19, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Flames archived for posterity
Gotta love vandals and trolls. I shoulda saved the old ones where I got called "a Taiwanese Japanese lacky and Chinese traitor sucking America's ****". I guess all trolls regardless of political affiliation aren't very creative or original when it comes to insults. -Loren 08:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Some more recent ones:

FreedomFighter228 Related
Why are you two communist clowns so annoying???--FreedomFighter228 05:12, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Amusing how easily extremists on both sides immediately construe a neutral viewpoint to be diametrically opposed to theirs.
 * response here --Loren 06:03, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Changlc, you should recognize the NPOV!!! Is Jiang your sockpuppet??--FreedomFighter228 05:13, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * response here

GrandCru Related
YOU'RE A COMMUNIST BASTARD. -CarlosNoriegaDos (GrandCru sockpuppet)
 * You need to come up with more creative insults. -Loren 08:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

REDIRECT Kuomintang -Changlc is on the Shit List (Yet Another Sockpuppet)
 * Funny, I seem to recall being a DPP supporter since 1999, but hey, if you want to redirect all your complaints towards the KMT be my guest. -Loren 08:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

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UC Irvine
Thank you for adding the picture descriptions to the photos and help expand the UCI article. --[[User:AllyUnion|AllyUnion (talk)]] 12:24, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

please recognize the NPOV!
-- I've noted your most recent changes to the Taiwan article with interest. What gives me huge red flags is a use of language which I would agree with in its entirety. I've reverted it because there's no point in including the sections about how there were no Han Chinese settlement until so and so time; a non-biased point of view would be to state that the Han Chinese settled at X time instead...

Buoren 06:18, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Point duly noted, thanks for the feedback!
 * Loren 06:24, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bubble tea article edits
I am unsure if your edits are correct as they change the meaning of the original Chinglish.

use the name -> are known as -- perhaps "use the name" refer to brands or product descriptions

removal of _much_ w/ reference to 1 cm diameter -- perhaps there really is a large difference; note recently added pearl sago section

skills of making -> quality of resulting product -- although the former implies the latter, these are not equivalent (e.g. the latter could result without the former due to differences in the quality of the ingredients)

Trivia section -- Your editted version is far off from the version you replaced; esp. in that you deleted the "once per week" part

-- UTSRelativity 00:24 2004-12-13 (UTC)


 * Trivia: Yes, apparently I neglected to add the once per week part when I edited that section. It was an honest mistake, thank you for pointing that out. I've fixed it. However I stand by the rest of my edit. The original contained incorrect information (see the linked news articles) and was decidedly nonneutral in it's wording.
 * use the name -> are known as: As far as I know, most of the names in the list are general product descriptions and not brand names. i.e. "photocopier" as opposed to "Xerox".
 * removal of _much_ w/ reference to 1 cm diamete: Not sure if pearl sago is regarded in the same catagory as the more farmiliar large variety. Will look into this.
 * skills of making -> quality of resulting product Agree with your point. But "skills of making" sounds a little odd. Perhaps "skill in making"? Also, most people care about the quality of the final product be it by skill or ingredients.-Loren 01:15, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

228 incident
Hello. I have noticed that you have revampted the article 228 Incident and I would like to say thank you for your good work on this topic. I accidentally found this person on Times magazine cover: K.C. Wu. and I am quite interested in finding out who this person is as he also appeared in Kerr's book's appendix.

The picture is extremely interesting and I wonder if we can also integrate this picture into the encyclopedia. Unforutnately, I am not familiar with the copyright regulation and I am not familiar with this person either. I would like to seek your opinion on the possiblity of integrating this piece of photo into current version of 228 incident.

I would be looking forward to your suggestion. Many thanks and Happy new year.Mababa 05:01, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I have just realized that I have raised a dumb question. Wu was introduced in Kerr's book, the chapters I skipped.Mababa 05:24, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Taiwan Notice Board
Hello,

Just for your information, I am comming to advertise the Taiwan-related topics notice board that I have just created in the hope that contributers on Taiwan related topics can have a place to discuss on different proposals.

I also made a page List of Taiwan-related topics (by category) so that we can keep track on the topics by category. I hope this would be useful for us. Mababa 05:41, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for comming to the notice board and signing in. Thank you. I hope this could be a good start for the Taiwan-related topic contributer's communitites. Let's pray for our prosperity. :) Mababa 06:36, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Taipei 101
Thanks for restoring that. I noticed it was gone but didn't have to time to do it myself. Bbpen 13:52, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

228

 * Original discussion

You are more than welcome. During the discussion, I was addressing to the other participant. I am not an expert on these topics either. :) Everyone is still learning.Mababa 08:06, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

President building of ROC
Hello. I uploaded your nice picture, Image:Taiwan presidential bdg.JPG at. Thank you.--Mochi 06:58, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Remark
Hi. I have just a remark about style. On Wikipedia, one should write

== See also ==

instead of

== See Also ==

and so on, that is, one should not use capitals in the middle of the section. Also, it is good to use a spellchecker, misspelled articles look kind of unprofessional. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov 20:40, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the encouragement. I saw a lot of politically motivated minor changes that really destroyed the unity of the intros as a whole, so I thought I might give it an overhaul. Hopefully it reads a lot more smoothly and makes more sense logically.--DownUnder555 21:18, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

KMT
I don't think Lee is just pro-independent. He tries to erase the Chinese influence from the cultural prospective as well, so I believe calling him separatist is rather neutral and more appropriate. Please comment on this. bobbybuilder 22:38, 03 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Response here --Loren 4 July 2005 05:06 (UTC)

Particularly on adding the section on criticisms. Very appropriate given the section under Democratic Progressive Party.--GrandCru 8 July 2005 03:39 (UTC)
 * Response here -Loren 8 July 2005 04:06 (UTC)

Given the history of GrandCru, being praised by him maybe less than desirable. I've just noticed that you sent me that message. I have included the response from KMT to those issues. However, I do believe some of them are too detailed and should be discussed on a separate page. The entire KMT page becomes tediously long. p.s. toss the discussion on whether to use "localisation" or "desinisation", GrandCru changed it back to pro-independence. Bobbybuilder 8 July 2005 04:16 (UTC)
 * Response here -Loren 8 July 2005 04:24 (UTC)

Loren, I've changed all of GrandCru's edits, that spiteful little man first stole Wilfried's name then mine, I've reported him already. (He even used my name to post threats on his page, but the language was consistant with his works, what a pathetic loser). Sorry for all these troubles, I've deleted all of his messages and your responses as well, I don't believe those kind of creatures are worthy to respond to, we both are too noble for that thingy. ;) Bobbybuilder 00:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Since you weren't the one who made the posts, no apology is nessecary. Thanks for helping with the cleanup. -Loren 01:12, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Whatever, that wasn't me.--GrandCru 05:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Loren, Thanks for the cleanups recently. Bobbybuilder 09:31, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Taiwan Vandal
Yeah, because the person won't stop, I say we report it on Vandalism in progress or something else. --Hottentot
 * The same person is also reverting Template:Taiwan infobox Should we just delete that page? --Hottentot

GrandCru
Yeah, but hopefully he's not mad at me. Check this out. I have worked with him before and I was able to resolve the brief conflict that I had with him. Of course, this was before he got into the conflict with BobbyBuilder which eventually got him banned. :-( I was very supprised to see that all these sockpuppets belonged to him. --Hottentot
 * response-Loren 06:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

VFD/Chang (surname)
Hello Loren I'd like to notify you that I've requested for an extension to to the VFD, as new and important arguments are presented. It would be nice if you can reconsider your vote. Thanks. &mdash; Instantnood 11:11, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Taiwan relaed articles

 * sigh* more New South Wales IP's being used, i'm adding to the list of permablocked IP's. We have way to much trouble from there for be worth it. Sasquatch &#08596;&#35762;&#08596;&#30475; 21:46, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

I think the probable cause is that the vandal is using dial up connection. It will be meaningless to block the IP once the connection is reestablished, just FYI. BTW, cheers Loren for the helps again. Bobbybuilder 05:40, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. I was surprised and humbled by the number of positives votes. I'll be monitoring RfA regularly from now on and will look for a chance to "pay it forward". Cheers, --MarkSweep 02:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

adminship
I've nominated you for adminship. Please accept at Requests for adminship/Changlc. --Jiang 07:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Uncyclopedia link
I've listed Template:Uncyclopedia link (which you created) for deletion, as I really don't think we should link to Uncyclopedia, especially not through a template resembling those used for sister projects. I just thought I'd let you know, in case you wish to defend this template at WP:TFD. &mdash; Itai (f&t) 14:40, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 07:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) 00:57, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

For The New Admin
You're welcome, you deserved the vote! I wanted to wait until I took a new picture, but eh, whatever. You see, in my thinking, anyone who takes on the role of being an administrator deserves far more than a barnstar, they deserve an entire barn. So, I hereby award you this barn from the barn article -- i'm sure they won't miss it ;-). Sorry about the gender mishap, btw. Karmafist 01:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations. keep up the good job. Bobbybuilder 01:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey, you're welcome from me too! I'm certain you will be an excellent admin. Happy editing and adminning, Antandrus (talk) 01:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Hall Monitor's RFA
Thank you for the taking time to comment on my recent RFA nomination. Your confidence and support is greatly appreciated. Hall Monitor 19:17, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Republic of China infobox
hi, Changlc, thank you for your notice. i have explained in detail on the discussion page of the template. bascially, this is a new version of Image:LocationROC.png that is not to be confused with the 1947 map. i initially uploaded this file under name Image:LocationROC.png onto commons, but later found that on en, there is already an image with the same name containing the 1947 map, so i changed this old one to Image:LocationROC full.png, so that the commons name can be retained.--R.O.C 08:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * read your second notice. thank you too for all the friendly reminders. --R.O.C 08:25, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * ya, i read that part in the template talk page, and i realized that we also have crazy people here on en (i had been more active on zh). please do not feel bad for anything, i actually appreciate your attention and fast response on edits of these articles. btw, i suppose you live in US, are you staying up this late? --R.O.C 08:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * drawing this new image took me several hours, since it was not an easy job to overlay different maps and find out the locations of those minor islands on the world map (esp. pratas and itu aba). then, it took some time to update all the pages in different languages. thank you for encouraging me, but i will probably continue to spend more time on zh since it still needs much attention -- it is not as lucky as en to enjoy so many reasonalbe and capable eidtors yet. but i will try to edit en more often, so i can also improve my english. anyway, nice to know you, and after updating all the pages, i can go to sleep now. --R.O.C 09:26, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Re:Collateral damage from blocking
Thanks for dropping me a line. I understand how these things happen, so its O.K. What I did was file my work, shut off my computer and restart and "bingo" problem solved. Let me tell you that vandal going under the name of "Mickey", is starting to become a real pain in the butt. Thank you Tony the Marine 06:57, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Taiwan independence article
"I was concerned mainly by the fact that you deleted the original account (admittedly contaning some ideas from the pan-Green side) and replaced it almost in it's entirety with a new account skewed slightly to the pan-blue side."


 * I agree with you on not deleting things. I was in fact, editing and in moving things around, dropped a few things but kept most POV if not all the verbiage, if you read carefully. I don't thnk that it is more narrowly biased than before, just taken in a different topical direction. What I mean is, the section heading was "History", which I took to mean the "history of the Taiwan independence movement," not "history that drives the movement according to Taiwan independence people." I have no problem with an exposition on the latter, but if it is the latter, it should be noted so clearly, and if anybody cares, have other major POV added as well, in keeping with NPOV. Maybe you can clarify which kind of "history" we are talking about. Both can be on there.


 * In any case, I really hope you can take some of the things from my edit and use it to augment the article, whether it be in a history section or in some other sections. I think there are seeds in there for a number of topics that are relevant but completely overlooked currently. The content is there, I trust you to do it right.


 * If you don't want to do anything to reorganize things, then let me at least point that the one objection I DO have that is not related to organization and content addition is to this very POV sentence:


 * The Taiwan independence movement began under Manchu rule in the 1680s which led to a well known saying those days, "Every three years an uprising, every five years a rebellion".


 * This is simply false. There was no "Taiwan independence" movement at that time -- by that I mean whatever you want to call rebellions, they aren't at all related to "Taiwan independence" as you know now. There is no relationship. This one is really out there, a minority view in a minority view. If nothing else, I would revert that away. BTW, I did include this view by more accurately characterizing it as an inspiration.

On being spanked for posting to Hurricane Katrina Page
RE: Posting of blog sites to Wikipedia

Sorry. I've added my blogsite to Wikipedia twice before without any problems. Once, when I covered a wide variety of news of the Tsunami in Southeast Asia (I was prominently displayed here, and was one of the first sites to provide video of the tragedy) and again when Pope Benedict was selected (again, prominently displayed as a massive news resource). Suddenly though, I'm being punished. Pity. - Bill
 * reply -Loren 06:13, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism
Thanks for the quick revert of the ASCII graphics. I got an "edit conflict message" when doing the same - you beat me by three seconds! ;-) --Janke | Talk 07:09:57, 2005-08-30 (UTC)


 * Good. I was wondering how to report this to "higher up", but it's good to see you've already taken care of it. --Janke | Talk 07:16:45, 2005-08-30 (UTC)

70.242.105.26
Perhaps you will be interested to read 70.242.105.26's contribution. Bobbybuilder 04:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: NPOV dispute on political status of Taiwan
I have made numerous minor changes to the article, part of it was to address the problem mentioned at its talk page. Let's see if it has made the scenario a bit clearer. :-D &mdash; Instantnood 18:13, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Welcome~ :-) Let's see how we can further improve the article. &mdash; Instantnood 17:52, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

It appears your arguing with someone who has a very clear bias and who doesn't like the current administration. I might look at it more a little later, but you might simply try slowing down in the talk page arguing. SchmuckyTheCat 20:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

repeated vandalism by User:68.0.152.204
You blocked User:68.0.152.204 yesterday, and he is back today doing exactly the same thing. Can he be blocked for a longer time (like forever?) Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 07:47, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Taiwan and ROC
Hi, I'm having some problems with Jiang. He's following me around reverting my work regarding Taiwan and the Republic of China. Also see reverts to Republican China and Chinese Republic. Would you take a look and give an opinion where you have one? It'd be appreciated.--DownUnder555 15:55, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

User Categorization
You were listed on the Wikipedians/Taiwan page as living in or being associated with Taipei. As part of the User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Taipei for instructions. Rmky87 21:15, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Ashida Kim
What in the name of all that is good and sane is this new hoo-haa? I've gotten this guy's e-mails as well and I couldn't seem to rationalize with him. I'm glad I'm not alone in this! - Lucky 6.9 17:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

谢谢！
Thanks for responding so quickly to my block request on 64.21.118.219. | Keithlaw 23:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

What's up with the guy who keeps erasing what he doesn't like on the Taiwan site. There is a source for the info. It keeps being deleted as vandalism. Erasing without giving a reason should not be allowed. The author tried on several occasions to explain the validity of the post, but was called a vandal. What gives?

Criteria used for defining links
What's the criteria being used to define a link as "linkspam" or "essential" on the Japan page? I've read your response to Bill and you mention "commercial sites" as being defined as linkspam. On the Japan page, there is a link to JapanToday which is mostly a commercial site. There is also a link to AJR Newslink which provides just some BROKEN links to supposed Japanese News sources (most of them with content in Japanese by the way, not suitable for the english wiki) - the link I added with syndicated news being labeled as "linkspam" and the AJR newslink being labeled as "essential" doesn't seem to follow any reasonable criteria. Also I can't understand JapanToday as essential unless you're considering how big a site is to determine if it's essential, which is a flawed criteria, besides it being rather a commercial site(thus contradicting yourself reading your response to Bill)
 * response -Loren 16:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Please block 72.128.21.61
Loren, could you please block this IP per your final warning on the Oklahoma Christian University talk page. Thanks, Danlovejoy 20:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 * response -Loren 21:27, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

One "China" parent category for militaries of PRC/Taiwan
I don't see why anyone thinks it is a good idea to glom together the separate militaries of two sides of an old war. SchmuckyTheCat 01:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

24.15.73.202
Are you sure 24.15.73.202 is a shared IP? I use Comcast here (in California) and the IP numbers don't appear to be shared here. Is it different in Illinois? --Nlu 05:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
 * response -Loren 06:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Requested moves
Hi Changlc, I've listed a couple of pages on Requested moves, but somehow it didn't go through, and some admin said I had to file the whole thing again. However, since I noticed that you're an admin, I was wondering you would be able to move some pages for me:


 * John Jordan "Buck" O'Neil --> Buck O'Neil (You never have full name for title unless it was the name by how the person was most known)
 * Robert Morrison (Scottish) --> Robert Morrison ("Robert Morrison" already redirects there)
 * Abkhazians --> Abkhaz people (Proper naming)

Thanks. Sorry to cause you inconvenience. --Hottentot
 * response -Loren 05:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks! That was really helpful. I just noticed that I have one more: Friesian --> Frisian. But thanks again. --Hottentot

Edit on "Paris riots" page
How is a link to ABC News SPAM?? -- SCZenz 03:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * response -Loren 03:37, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Please block 68.14.162.172
The user at the above IP keeps vandalizing the Oklahoma Christian University article. Could you block him per your final warning on his talk page? Thanks, --Ichabod 13:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

24.15.73.202
Loren, can you discuss the situation at Talk:24.15.73.202? Thanks. --Nlu 17:14, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * response -Loren 20:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Jakewater
24.15.73.202 is the ip adress that is used by Jakewater, so if 24.15.73.202 makes changes to Jakewater, let it be and do not count it as vandilism

Thanks
Thanks for supporting me for adminship. The RfA passed today. I look forward to working with you to make Wikipedia a better place. --Nlu 05:28, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Content Problem my foot
You should try looking at the page next time. They repeatedly add links to websites having nothing to do with the war on christmas. Make personal attacks in the edit summary. And change the text around. Chooserr
 * response -Loren 03:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

ROC history
Hello, thanks for reminding me :) BlueShirts 01:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: IP block
Thanks for the warning! :) Grutness...wha?  09:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

How can Chinese jokes be considered appropriate in a University article?
The vandalism is in the presence of these jokes, not the absence.

--141.211.202.162 09:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * response: I would beg to differ on that one. Fiirst of all, you deleted more then that particular joke and second, UCI's large Asian student body is one of the unique aspects of the school and is made fun of even by Asian students at UCI. Many of us even consider that particular jab a point of pride. There are places where one should be concerend about racism, but this is not one of them. -Loren 19:24, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks for your notification about Taiwan. I just made the article Chinese world (and the map), if you have some comment about this that's welcome :]. I'm happy to see you are Taiwanese and from Taipei, I'm nowadays in France, because french, but I was in Lukang Hight school for the year 2003-2004, nice place this little Lukang ^-^. I hope the chinese Wikipedia will grow fast, that almost the only one which, in some years, will be able to be bigger than the english Wikipedia.

Last thing : do a bike trip on the East cost of your island was a really naive think. (=> taiwan montain => >0<)

Merry Xmas to Taiwan Yug   20:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)