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Greetings from WikiProject Open Access
Dear Lquilter, it is now one year since WikiProject Open Access was started by User:Bluerasberry on January 10, 2012. Since then, the project has advanced modestly, but we have not interacted much. For the coming year, we certainly want to improve on that.

We also plan to overhaul the project pages to make them more conducive to collaboration, and we are pondering the idea of expanding the concept of a WikiProject Open Access to projects other than the English Wikipedia, e.g. to other languages or to Wikimedia Commons. You are warmly invited to add your voice to all that. We would also appreciate if you would share some of your OA-related activities by way of our news ticker or via the monthly Open Access report that is part of the GLAM newsletter (to which you can subscribe here), or as you see fit otherwise.

As a visual token of the anniversary, I am adding today's Open Access File of the Day. Feel free to nominate files yourself. As of today, commons:Category:Open access (publishing) contains more than 15,000 files, of which about 2/3 are video and sound files uploaded by the Open Access Media Importer.

Thanks for being part of the project, and looking forward to more interaction. With a smile, -- Daniel Mietchen - WiR/OS (talk) 23:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * thanks for the notice. I dropped a line about my thinking. --Lquilter (talk) 20:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_1#Category:Rape_victim_advocates
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FYI
Related to our discussion from WP:WikiProject Freedom of speech:
 * United States v. The Progressive is now a candidate at Today's featured article/requests, you can discuss it there under its entry for 2 May 2013. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Thanks for dropping me a line -- I always like to hash out the best ways to organize categories. (-:  Just for context, my work came from cleaning up various legislative and organizational categories, including Category:Consumer rights organizations and Category:Consumer protection.  It looks like you've been going at it from yet another related angle, and it seems like a great time to integrate it all.

It looks from the contents of Category:Consumerism that it's related to anti-globalization/anti-corporate activity, although I think of consumerism more from the perspective of critiques of the effect of capitalism and mass marketing on consumers. Category:Works about consumer protection have to do specifically with the laws and movements around consumer legal rights: health-and-safety issues and financial regulation issues. Does that seem like a reasonable description? I was toying with how to categorize these various related concepts at Category talk:Consumer rights organizations -- Shall we move this discussion to there, or to some other place (is there a WikiProject?), in order to facilitate broadening the conversation? --Lquilter (talk) 18:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no WikiProject. I was thinking of setting one up. One problem here is that there are a lot of terms that mean the same thing - consumer protection, consumerism, and anti-consumerism share a definition but have nuances to bring in other meanings. See Template talk:Consumerism. There is talk about this in lots of places, but no one place has a community around it. I propose talking on that template, because it should be on most of the articles describing concepts of the movement, and because it is an old name for the concept. I do not care what name gets applied to the books or other media, but I do think that probably there should be only one category for works on this topic. Thoughts?  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   19:53, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll copy all this to the template. --Lquilter (talk) 19:56, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

The World Forum
I just saw that you've made a minor edit to The World Forum. I've Afd'd it and any comments you have would be welcome. Bromley86 (talk) 08:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

New category related to freedom of speech
I want to make a new category for films, not sure if it should be: What do you think?
 * 1) Freedom of speech-related films
 * 2) Films about freedom of speech

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I just started pulling together Category:Works about freedom of expression; maybe start with there, and see how large it grows. At this point it may not be necessary to split into films and books? --Lquilter (talk) 22:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * We already have Category:Books about freedom of speech, I'd like to keep that one separate, but I'll dump the other related stuff into the "works" category, and we can go from there? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added ten films, including fiction and non-fiction, into the category. I think that's enough to split that into a separate category, something like suggested above, films about freedom of speech, what do you think ? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, splitting by medium seems fine.  I'm curious to know if you think the distinction is best made at the "freedom of speech" or "freedom of expression" level.  It's a pretty fine line, and a lot of the works are likely not just about "speech", per se.  --Lquilter (talk) 00:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I like "Freedom of speech", better. Anyways, forms of expression (including wearing a jacket through a courthouse) have been ruled to be forms of "speech", as well. :) &mdash; but should the category be named "Freedom of speech-related films", or "Films about freedom of speech" ?? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * "Films about ..." would be the better construction. ... Yes, expression is broader than speech.  But that's my point: "Freedom of expression" includes speech and press as well as expressive-behavior.  The various documentaries and books are rarely just focused on "speech", per se.  --Lquilter (talk) 01:54, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So ... how about ... category name: "Films about freedom of expression" ? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, if it works for you too! --Lquilter (talk) 13:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Please see Category:Films about freedom of expression. Look good so far? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 15:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: I've added some more to Category:Films about freedom of expression, please check over those films I've added to the category, let me know what you think? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Fuck
You may be interested in this freedom of speech-related topic, I've done a quality improvement project recently on the article, Fuck (film), would be interested to know your thoughts? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 19:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Fuck (film)

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NGO/charities/etc
Hi. Your input would be welcome here: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_12. I'm also here to ask if you'd be interested in getting back into this: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Organizations/Taskforce-Categorization - this is still quite a mess and potentially quite confusing, and I'm quite sure many orgs are poorly classified as a result of the overlap between NPO, NGO, and charity in this tree. What should we do about it? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed -- it's a mess and has been for a long time! I'll try but although I've got more time for WP than I did over the past few years, I'm not sure I've got enough time to untangle this!  But I'll try.  (-:  --Lquilter (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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Barnstar
Incidentally, did you know about the CatScan tool? http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php They're using that on the German Wikipedia (a link to it is present on every category page there).

Basically, the German Wikipedia has a very different categorisation system. Man and Woman are attributes applied to biographies, just like Poet or American. To search for American women poets in Catscan, you simply combine these three attributes. For that reason, the German Wikipedia does not have categories like American women poets; it is users running a query who combine three or more attributes like that to construct a query.

It strikes me that this system avoids a lot of needless madness, and removes most of the opportunities for sexist (or racist) systems to arise where users consider straight white males the default, and seek to "diffuse" everyone else. Happy editing. Andreas JN 466 07:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! for the barnstar & the info about the catscan.  I wonder why it's not used here on en.?  Is there discussion of it?  --Lquilter (talk) 11:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know the history, but I found Category intersection (started in 2006 ...!) and CatScan. Andreas JN 466 11:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Please also drop by the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Category_intersection when you have a moment. Andreas JN 466 01:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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on this? Wikipedia_talk:Category_intersection. cheers, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 04:00, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. It's probably more than I can really dig into right now -- I try to stay out of Wikipedia copyright stuff for several reasons -- but I'll keep an eye on it. --Lquilter (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

just found this
Category:American writers by ethnic or national origin. Ugh. This one isn't about last-rung, it's purely about notability of intersections. Some of them seem clear, and others seem, well, quite muddy indeed. Ukrainian? Russian? hmm. thoughts welcome. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The thing is, identities start to get very important to people.  So it's hard to say that X identity is important and notable but Y identity isn't.  So the specific identity can't really be the focus.  Damn, I wish we had Wikidata and category intersections and a few other helpful tools. --Lquilter (talk) 13:53, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This has also come up here: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_May_13. The general rule I've understood is that each intersection is judged on its merits. Having doesn't imply you can have  - is this not your interpretation of WP:EGRS (which by the way needs a total rewrite...). Have you look at my prototype here ? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's totally correct that each is assessed on its own merits. But practically speaking it's really hard to draw the lines, and it always ends up pissing some people off to even try.  I mean, one is saying "this ethnicity/nationality is just not very important compared to X" or one is saying "there's just not enough worth writing a head article about X" or something like that.  People invested in that identity take it very personally.  And I can't say I blame them!  And frankly it becomes really difficult for people not invested in that identity to intelligently and knowledgeably say that, indeed, that topic can't exist.  I mean, I can talk about African-American writing because I have the basic familiarity with it that most liberal arts-educated people in the US have.  But I couldn't really speak, to, say, Russian-American writing, because I think it's a bit more niche-y.  But it seems completely plausible that there's a thing there.  I just don't know.  ... Will go check out your prototype now. --Lquilter (talk) 15:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah. I had checked it out -- just forgot.  The problem is that while it can look good on the WP side, once it gets to the toolserver side, it looks really terrible.  How much formatting can be done on the toolserver output page?  Could we at least move all the options below the results? --Lquilter (talk) 15:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm talking with the developer about that - he actually is thinking of somehow moving it within the wiki. He wrote some of the first wiki software, so he apparently knows what he's doing. I will ping him again to see if he's made progress. Like I said, it's a little ugly, but besides the UI issues, what do you think of the approach overall? It wouldn't require drastic restructuring of our cats, we could do it in a bit of a piecemeal fashion, starting in one tree and then spreading out from there - focusing on EGRS cats - and editors can do 99% of the work without having to understand programming magic/etc - we could just create a template that deals with certain things for them. If/when we move to wikidata intersections, the data will be cleaner, as it will already be faceted (e.g. american novelist + american women vs american women novelists). --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it'll be great if it can get moved into WP space and look cleaner. ... Frankly I'd love to get rid of categories like "by nation" because it's so irrelevant to many aspects, and ends up being greatly redundant: American writers, American teachers, etc.  The "by nation" subcat is just to sort out the parent cat.  If we could instead just have major cats (American; writers; teachers) and let intersections handle it, it would be great.  .... What do you think would be a good way to handle the lists of possible intersections?  "American writers" is pretty big.  If we subdivide all the ethnicities, genres (science fiction, romantic, etc), forms (novel, essay, short story), gender identities, sexualities, and so forth, the list of possible intersections is going to be quite unwieldy.  Maybe sub lists?  e.g., "Click here to see possible intersections with this category, such as gender, sexuality, ethnicity, and genre; then include things with finite & small variants on that page in show/hide windows (gender, sexuality), and things with large numbers of possible options (ethnicity, places they are "from") on a separate list?  --Lquilter (talk) 17:43, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I was really thinking much simpler, as a start. (1) Don't undo the division-by-nation. This has two advantages - first, it is a natural division of people, people usually strongly identify with a given nationality, though there are of course edge cases. Secondly, it makes the search space much smaller, so would increase performance. if all men were in, then you'd have to troll through hundreds of thousands every time you did an intersection. Grouping by nation cuts down on the search space, and would be a much less dramatic change to extant categories. (2) For the intersections, again, I'm thinking that we start just with EGRS - leave the rest (novelist genres, centuries, etc) - let those play out as they are. In the future, if we had budget and time for programming, we could get so checkboxes and droplists, etc, but for now I was thinking that at the top of each cat that needed it (say, American writers) - editors could add intersections- show me all American women writers, show me all African-American women writers, etc - the intersections could be collapsed or multiple-collapsed, so regular browsers of the cat aren't bothered by it). I agree in the long term just specifying "american" and "woman" and "novelist" would be ideal, but that should probably wait for wikidata. This proposal is more of an incremental step, that would disarm much of the current drama around these EGRS cats.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * One more point - due to the recursive nature of the intersection algorithm, you *could* in my solution pull up a list of all men - you'd just intersect with  - it's just that would be very slow I think, and would have tons of results. Intersecting  with  should be much faster, but by classifying a man as "American men" we can still get him in broader intersections - just keeping performance in mind and utility (how often do you need such a list?) --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:43, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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random thought
What if we had "category creators" and "categories-for-creation" - so certain people would have permission to create new cats, others would have to submit it for creation - the submit process would be lightweight, and two positive votes would suffice? This might serve to filter some of the massive category cruft by providing a bit of a vetting mechanism, while allowing those who are responsible category-creators to go about their business. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh, I don't know; I think bottom-up creation of new content & categories is probably good. But a better review process would be good.  In an ideal world, maybe an automatically generated list of new categories, with a quick-click to see the tree, and a quick "vote" log:  endorse the category as-is; endorse the concept but propose a name change; recommend against the category ... with items flagged into the last two categories automatically going to CFD. --Lquilter (talk) 17:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The real problem is that WP does not have a "tagging" system, which is what people sort of intuitively think of categories as being. If we had a tagging system & highlighted it, then the ad-hoc category creators would mostly go away, drawn into the honey-pot of tagging.  That would just leave the dedicated category-creator/maintainers.  I don't see how to get rid of disagreements among the members of our little subset!  The whole women writers imbroglio was done out of good faith interpretations of categorization by frequent categorizers.  --Lquilter (talk) 17:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My problem with CFD is, it's drawn out and rather tedious. I think a lot of cruft could be trimmed by just stopping it at the source - even something like a cat reviewers group, so a single "yes" vote from this group would allow the cat to be created/populated. If someone tries and gets a "no", then we have a CFD to CREATE the category - which would be much more interesting I think - to debate cat creation, rather than debate cat DELETION. And yes, having tags would be nice also... --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe expediting or broadening "speedy" would serve. I hate to be old-school but I worry about interposing new "approval-first" regimens on creation. You know, actually, simply a Special:NewCategoryPages that focused on categories & gave a few options specific to categories would be pretty helpful. current special:newpages  --Lquilter (talk) 17:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

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my favorite category of all time
This might be it. Maybe I'm just of a mood. But that's a winner for sure. Can you imagine if we extended that approach more broadly? Cities with stone bridges in them. Villages with 12c century churches in them. We could go a step further - Villages with windmills near historic houses with stone bridges in them. Borges may have been right, after all - is this whole thing madness? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 22:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You have to not just apply it to the villages. You're not thinking big enough.  People who visited villages associated with houses of historical interest.  I'm starting to think that we're wasting our time writing encyclopedia articles; we should simply be creating an ever-deeper web of every article connected to every other article. --Lquilter (talk) 00:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW I'm pretty sure there was a CFD some time for something like "cities with stone bridges in them". Some time I'll try to dig through CFD to find it ... --Lquilter (talk) 00:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice - made me chuckle. Don't you think, based on this, we should have at least a category-drivers-license? Something that shows that you know the rules of the road before creating these things, that cannot be speedied, and are painful to get rid of? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 00:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Places where Mohammed gazed pensively toward the west." omg you're killing me! --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 00:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Both developers and users have made these complaints for years, but any reform would take collaboration between developers and users. Historically, when developers make changes users protest, so they are not likely to do anything without a lot of community support. Some of us have been talking about what to propose for reform and how to introduce reform to the community. Some recent talk is at Beyond categories. In summary, many of us would like to do away with most intersections in categories and be able to search by multiple general attributes rather than single highly specific categories.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   19:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

WisCon this year?
Hoping, hoping, hoping.... -- Orange Mike |  Talk  17:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * It sucks, but there are going to be false positives, because of the hundreds of stupid mirrors there's not much of a way around it. Of course now the bot's down so there will be hundreds of copyright violations send in today, but oh well. I'd rather have a false positive occasionally then see the site destroyed. Wizardman  02:26, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:African-American films now needs purging
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Category:American Latter Day Saint hymnwriters
The ERGS rules apply to ethnicity, RELIGION, gender and sexuality. Why are you ok with a last rung subdividing of Category:American hymnwriters by religion? How is this acceptable? Especially when people are clearly in the discussion of Category:American Latter Day Saint hymnwriters saying that "Latter-day Saint hymnwriters are not real hymnwriters". If people said dismissive and marginalizing things about women writers that they have said about Latter-day Saint hymnwriters there would be an outrage. Thre fact of the matter is that the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is one of the most listened to choirs in the country, and so sworks by people like W. W. Phelps are being heard by many people who are not latter-day Saints. The attempts to dismiss and marginzalize him as just a Latter-day Saint hymnwriters and not an American hymnwriter are truly outrageous.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The solution for "last rung" problems is redundant categorization. If "LDS hymnwriters" is being used to refer to the religion of the hymnwriters (rather than writers of LDS hymns) then American LDS hymnwriters should be classified as American hymnwriters *AND* as American LDS hymnwriters.  --Lquilter (talk) 04:39, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

A fix to this mess
Category intersections. LQ, plz take a look at this: User_talk:Magnus_Manske - the last entry by Magnus - you need to add one line to your commons javascript file as outlined, to import a new library, then check out the demo. Super fast. It's just a start, but let me know what you think. I think we still should have a solution for those who don't edit their javascript files, but it's a great prototype, no? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Fuck peer review

 * 1) Fuck (film)
 * 2) Peer review/Fuck (film)/archive1

I've listed the article Fuck (film) for peer review.

Help with furthering along the quality improvement process would be appreciated, at Peer review/Fuck (film)/archive1.

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:51, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * (talk page stalker) - admit it - you are doing all of this just so you can write "Fuck peer review" as a (valid) header for a section. :) --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hah, well I suppose it's a side benefit... &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Women free speech activists

 * Category:Free speech activists

Thanks very much for creating Category:Free speech activists.

After reading secondary source reporting about the dearth of quality coverage on Women and female related topics on Wikipedia, I decided to improve in quality a page on a woman from Category:Free speech activists.

Therefore, the quality improvement project for Judith Krug is inspired by your freedom of speech-related category creation.

Thanks again,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties
If you enjoyed Freedom for the Thought That We Hate, hopefully you might also like Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties.

The book is quite a fascinating read.

I hope you're doing well, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 07:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

CFD
Hello; you recently participated in a discussion about Category:Reissue albums, which I closed as "no consensus". The category has now been re-nominated for deletion; you may be interested in participating in this second nomination. The discussion is here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Help with CCI article
Hi Lquilter, A while back, you were involved in a discussion about improvements I'm hoping to make to the Center for Copyright Information article. I had to focus on other things for a bit, so it took me awhile to get back to this, but I've now addressed the feedback, and posted an updated draft of the article in my userspace. A list of the changes that I made can be found on Talk:CCI. If you have a chance, could you take a look and, if things look okay, replace the current draft of the article with my draft? Thanks! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 16:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi again, just wanted to let you know that another editor has dealt with this, so it's now ✅. Thanks for your feedback on the initial draft, though; it certainly helped improve things! Cheers, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 13:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Category:KPMG
Hello, I just recreated a category you successfully nominated for deletion back in 2008. The original discussion is located here. I think the articles have now been developed to justify the cat but, if you have any concerns, please let me know. Thanks RevelationDirect (talk) 09:53, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

professionals - notice of discussion
Hi,

As a lawyer and a librarian you may be interested in this deletion proposal: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_22. Regards, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Sock complaint per your comments
I just requested a sock investigation here: WP: Sockpuppet investigations/Craigsender. Lquilter, I copied almost all of your comments on the CCC talk page into the complaint, and have attributed these comments to you. I added some of my own words for syntax purposes. But I made it clear that I copied from this section almost verbatim. I hope you don't mind. Also, feel free to add to the complaint as you see fit. --- Steve Quinn (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

P.S: However, just to be clear, I filed the complaint, I just used your comments, attributing them to you. I hope this makes sense. --- Steve Quinn (talk) 02:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Whisperback
14:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Category_talk:Women_and_death
You are invited to join the discussion at Category_talk:Women_and_death. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Freedom of speech - for peer review
I've placed Portal:Freedom of speech up for portal peer review. Comments would be welcome, at Portal peer review/Freedom of speech/archive1. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Portal:Freedom of speech

Korda’s Che
Hello! Maybe you’d like to share your view here. Tuvalkin (talk) 21:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Freedom of speech portal for Featured candidate
I've nominated Portal:Freedom of speech for Featured quality consideration, discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Freedom of speech. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:48, 20 December 2013 (UTC)