User talk:Lradrama/Archive 7

Vandalism
You have sent me a message accusing me of vandalising Irshad Manji's page. I am not sure why. Much of what I have included has come Irshad herself. The other material I have footnoted to prove authenticity so what is the problem? I have only edited the page to include a more holistic and accurate view of Irshad Manji. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.200.141 (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Make sure all your claims you put onto this encyclopedia display no point of view at all, and that they are all backed up using reliable sources per WP:citing sources. Those claims at the top needed these more than anything else if they are true. It may be polite to others who edit the article to explain your edits on the article talkpage, as no other editor has declared this person before in the article's history.  Lra drama 17:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Everything I included in Irshad Manji's page was backed up using reliable sources so I am unsure why it was undone. The claim at the top of the page is common knowledge and something Irshad herself has stated numerous times so it would hardly qualify as vandalism. It is correct information. I can easily find a source for it, if it is necessary. However the page calls her a Muslim, feminist, author, journalist and activist. If no source is required for that why is one needed for my insertion at the top of the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.200.141 (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * A claim such as that is generally more controversial than her career specialism. Yes, please find a source for it, and show it to me before you put it on, or if you're confident it agrees fully with Citing sources, then just put it in the article. Many thanks,  Lra drama 17:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I have found a source for Irshad being a lesbian. It is an article from the San Fransisco Chronicle interview. Irshad also founded the show queertv. Sorry I thought this was widely known. Here is the source. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/19/DDG424BVAN1.DTL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.200.141 (talk) 17:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thankyou for your co-operation. That's a good source. It is from a popular newspaper, that states the author. Thankyou, you may put it into the article. Drop a note on the article's talkpage to say you have done this. Best wishes,  Lra drama 18:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Gutteeeedddd!!!

James —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.14.172 (talk) 22:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you too!
Thanks for the WikiSmile, it's nice to be appreciated once in a while!! Arriva436talk 15:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

please excuse the edit.
I really apologize, that was my brother just messing around. could you just answer this question, how do you guys find out so quickly when someone has messed up a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.210.105 (talk) 17:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * We look at a special page that displays all the new edits made to Wikipedia. We can look at them, and using our tools we have, make rapid reverts/rollbacks if the edits are bad. ;-)  Lra drama 18:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

ahh that is very cool. so for example would I be able to reply to you by simply editing this? and also, I have found a mistake in a Judson Laiply article, how would I correct it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.210.105 (talk) 18:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you have just replied to me by editing this yes. If you have found a mistake in an article, you would either click edit this page on the menu at the top of the page (up there ^), or, of the article is split into sections, you could click the small, blue, edit tab that appears at the top-right of each section. Be careful not to abuse this privilege though, as it could lead you being blocked from editing this encyclopedia. For more information, you may want to read Getting started.  Lra drama 18:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

well in the Judson Laipply article, it says that his Video, The Evolution of dance, is the top viewed video of all time. This is not true. Now technically it is, because if you look at the most viewed all time section of YouTube you will clearly see that his is the most viewed, but youtube does not list some other videos that surpass The Evolution of Dance video. a link to The Evolution of Dance: http://youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg a link to a greater view count than video listed above: http://youtube.com/watch?v=244qR7SvvX0 I just thought that the article should specify that The Evolution of Dance is the most viewed video that YouTube decided to list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.210.105 (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, by all means change it my friend. Also, if you look at the top menu of the page, there is a tab that says discussion. Just click on that, then click new section and drop a note there to say what you have done and why. :-)  Lra drama 18:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

3rr violation - help, please
I believe that User:Steve0999 has violated the 3rr rule at Joseph Romm. Can you take a look please? -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * User blocked by Kbthompson.  Lra drama 17:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

RFA Remarks
One cannot take back what was already said and i admire that you are the first to actually bring it up on my talk page  « l | Ψrom3th3ăn ™ | l »   (talk) 02:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's OK. But please, next time, if you oppose, just explain to the candidate nicely why you have voted as you have, rather than shooting them in flames, as it can be very demoralising to the candidate. Thanks,  Lra drama 10:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC) 10:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Lradrama. Thank you for your involvement in my RfA. There has been quite a lot of really useful constructive criticism, notably Peter was kind enough to explain his voting and offer support for the future. I appreciate your comments to Ψrom3th3ăn, and I believe his out-burst is something best forgotten, and himself and I can move forward as if it never happened. Which ever way my RfA turns out thanks for your input and I can use build upon your suggestiions for the future. All the best, Mark t young (talk) 18:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome. Sure, if you take note of all the comments left for you, which I'm sure you will, all the negative points will be addressed, and in a few months, you can try again and hopefully, have a much better RfA. I'm sure you'll be successful, because it was similar for me over a year ago on my first attempt. Very best wishes,  Lra drama 07:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
I do't know if this is the correct way to do this but apparently you can grant me permission to have rollback. May I have it? Please tell me if I'm doing this wrong. 'Chubb 'enna itor  20:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello. You have come to the right person, yes (the other way would have been Requests for rollback, but you can also do it this way) I have had a look through your contributions, and they seem fine. I have granted your request for rollback. Please do not abuse this tool, or it will be removed, and further action may be taken. You may wish to read Rollback. Best wishes,  Lra drama 21:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you and best wishes. I hope you stay loyal to WP and give me the same hope in that. Not abusing anyone. '<font face="geneva" color="#6699FF">Chubb '<font face="geneva" color="#7DF9FF">enna <font face="geneva" color="#00FF00">itor  16:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome :-) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 18:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

More trolling
Hello again, Lradrama. The anon is back on Talk:Slavic peoples. Is it possible for the range block to be extended/changed? And if it's not too much trouble, could you watch the article, along with Talk:Bosniaks? Thanks.  Balkan <font color="#008">Fever  03:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, and thankyou for bringing this to my attention. Before I proceed with this, are you sure that this is the same person as someone I blocked before? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 19:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know if it was exactly you who blocked him, but I remember you helped me out with the situation. (User talk:Lradrama/Archive 6 and User talk:Lradrama/Archive 6).  Balkan <font color="#008">Fever  23:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I thought I had come across this person before. The behavioural pattern is exactly the same, and a checkuser shows that this is a case of abusing multiple accounts. I have extended the range block - 6 months like the rest of them. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 10:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I also stumbled across this, which looks particularly worrying.  Balkan <font color="#008">Fever  12:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That is rather interesting...is that saying that the IP can still edit when blocked? :S <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 19:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for just reverting the vandal on my userpage. I also added that page to User:ClueBot/Optin, where it would automatically revert vandalism on my page. But still, thanks. <font color="4169E1">Schfifty Three  19:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Glad I could be of assistance! <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 19:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Yet more thanks!
Thank you for not only restoring my page, but for finally putting an end to that unpleasantness. Have a great day! LonelyBeacon (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Glad I could help! Happy editing! ;-) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 20:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

SarekOfVulcan RFA
Thank you for !voting on my RfA. If you supported, I'll make sure your confidence is not misplaced; if you opposed, I'll take your criticism into account and try to adjust my behavior accordingly.

See you around the wiki!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well done, I'm glad to hear of your success! Happy editing! ;-) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 09:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your !vote at my RFA
Thank you, Lradrama, for your support !vote at my RFA. --<i style="color:green;">lifebaka</i> (Talk - Contribs) 18:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome & I'm glad to hear of your success! Enjoy the new tools :-) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 08:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
<div class="NavHead" style="background:cyan;color:blue;">My RfA <div class="NavContent" style="text-align:left; background:240 248 255;"> Thank you for your support in my recent RfA, which closed successfully. I felt the process was a thorough review of my contributions and my demeanor, and I was very gratified to see how many editors took the time to really see what I'm about and how I can be of help to the project. As a result, some editors changed their views during the discussion, and most expressed specific, detailed points to indicate their opinion (whether it was, , or ).

A number of editors were concerned about my level of experience. I was purposeful in not waiting until a particular benchmark occurred before requesting adminship, because I feel - as many do - that adminship is not a reward and that each case is individual. It is true that I am not the most experienced editor around here, but I appreciate that people dug into my contributions enough to reach the conclusion that I seem to have a clue. Also, the best thing about this particular concern is that experience is something an editor - or administrator - can always get more of, and I'll continue doing that, just as I've been doing. (If I seem a little slow at it, feel free to slap me.)

I am a strong believer in the concept that this project is all about the content, and I'm looking forward to contributing wherever I can. Please let me know if I can be of any help. In the meantime, I'm off to school...

Thanks again!


 * Congratulations on succeeding! Best wishes and happy editing! Make the most of the admin school. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 22:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Bottle-Of-Musical-Joy
He's requesting unblock and saying he won't do it again. Is this how we implement the new get-tough BLP policy? A guy who was blocked for 31 hours a month or so ago is then blocked for two weeks with very little warning? What's the reasoning behind this? Any diffs I should see? Daniel Case (talk) 04:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He had plenty of warning, but I still have a hard time understanding this block. He posted something and self-reverted, apparently before any warning, and all his other edits near the block were to talk pages.  Was this for BLP violation?  Was it for edit warring on the talk page?  Either way, your block summary (simply "Vandalism") seems wrong.  Mango juice talk 05:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, his request for unblock seems to show a willingness to improve and do better. My second block was longer than the first by the amount of time it was, lest it should develop into a regular disruptive account. In light of this, yes it is rather long, and I have thus given the user another chance. Thanks for lending me your thoughts. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 10:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Your comment on Stephen's page...
IMHO admin coaching CAN be a detriment if it is rushed and seen as a means to become an admin... when it isn't really that deep and rushed. The candidates where it is meaningful and thought out... that's a different story.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 03:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. I can see where people come from when they criticise candidate's who've admin coaching, as it's basically assistance from someone else in order to reach a certain goal, instead of earning yourself that position by oneself. However, I offered my support because, after reviewing the candidate, as you said, there was no element of things being rushed with a direct goal, if you get me. I think Steven is a good candidate. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 10:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU, Status, and you!
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I'm not worthy

 * Aww thankyou so much! That is my first one since January I think...I don't know where I've gone wrong! Many thanks... legend ;) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 22:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * They seem to come in cycles... I've seen you around a lot, I doubt you're doing anything wrong =) –<font face="Verdana"> xeno <font color="#DCDCDC">cidic ( talk ) 22:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thankyou. I appreciate your comments also :). You have made my day better too. My golly, we're bloomin' fantastic, me and thee, you gotta admit! Hehe ;) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 22:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * hehe =). –<font face="Verdana"> xeno <font color="#DCDCDC">cidic ( talk ) 22:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Help me please!!
Hi! For the first time in my Wikipedia life, I don't know what to do, in that I don't know how to deal with a certain situation.

I have chosen to contact you because I have come across you before, and you are an administrator, so I hope you have a more policy-minded approach that what I have (panic!!).

I have today become aware through my watchlist that one user, Richard Harvey, has been removing a lot of the content from Wikipedia articles about bus companies. These include fares information, but more substantially route information. He is claiming this on two policies, WP:NOT and on some WP:ADVERTISING.

Well, the more silly of the two I disagree with is advertising. I don't think that many operators would use Wikipedia to advertise their services. A list of routes is no way going to make a potential user get on one of their buses. They will need something more than that.

I also disagree with the argument that Wikipedia is not a directory. While some of the articles on bus companies have some of this info, for example many pages on London Bus operators have garage addresses etc. which I do think is unnecessary and usually remove, I feel that route information is different. The routes of a bus company are basically the main part, without them the buses would be pretty useless. I believe that including details of the routes on Wikipedia helps give the reader some idea of where and how the operator runs.

The main point though is what Richard Harvey. He has had a discussion on Talk:First Leeds that has led to loads of pages being changed. I hadn't seen the First Leeds page, so had no time to disagree, but now literally 50+ (maybe 100) pages have been changed, some ruined. It you look at his contributions, you can see the scale of the problem.

Many pages have now been left as pathetic stubs, with one, Blue Bus of Penwortham how having deletion proposed. He has also removed the info, and that's it. Look at Bluestar (bus company), where tow sections are just left with no background info, just titles with logos, and no content.

I thought that large scale changes such as these had to be discussed individually. What has happened is that it has been discussed on one talk page that I (along with many other people I suppose) haven't seen, and then tons of pages been changes, all just giving the reason of "See Talk:First Leeds" (which of course, I hadn't seen, so had no chance to give my views etc etc. it goes round and round!!). In my opinions this is unacceptable.

He has also changed many articles of bus routes in Glasgow and the West Midlands to redirects of their operators, again linking to "Talk:First Leeds", which has nothing to do with bus route articles. I notice he has stayed away from the London Buses articles, which makes me wonder whether the user is scared of the response at WikiProject London Transport, and is sticking to thing he knows there will be no trouble over.

I would revert the edits, but as you can see it you be a mammoth task and would probably start an edit war. I would also contact the user, but they already seem to be uncooperative and I already know their Nike style views - just do it!!

I maybe wrong on the removal of content front, but I want to know whether you can make changes to loads of articles and just link to one specific talk page.

Anyway for now, help!! <b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;">talk 16:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to give a scale of the problem, I have listed all the pages that are so far affected:

Cavendish Motor Services, Coastal Coaches, Burnley & Pendle‎, Centrebus, Choice Travel, A2Z Travel, Cango, Glasgow Citybus, First Glasgow, York park and ride, Buglers, Brijan Tours, Bullocks Coaches, Bowers Coaches, Brighton & Hove Bus and Coach Company‎, Bluestar (bus company), Bluebird Bus and Coach, Blue Triangle, Blue Bus of Staffordshire, Blue Bus of Penwortham, Blackpool Transport, Black Velvet (bus company), AMK Group, Teamdeck, Truronian, First Manchester, First Leeds, First Hampshire & Dorset - I spent ages on this one lol!, First Berkshire & The Thames Valley - And this one!!, First Essex, First Chester & The Wirral‎, First Cymru, First Calderdale & Huddersfield‎

As mentioned above, he has also changes various (OK loads) route aricles into redirects. Some have been reverted back, which he is now changing back to redirects as I speak.

This gives a scale of what he has done. It just seems a lot for one person to take on, with thereason of "See Talk:First Leeds Various people are now questioning what he is doing. <b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;">talk 16:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at the links you provided above, it seems the actions are within both general consensus of what Wikipedia is and is not, and specific consensus for the articles in question. Do you have a reason to believe otherwise?  Frank  |  talk  16:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't quite understand that, but basically here is what I think. Fares, tickets, stops, adress details in articles probably are violationg WP:NOT. A basic list of routes, as long as it doesn't have frequencies and sunday services etc etc should however be included; they are in the blood of a bus company. Even if routes are against what WP is not, then I still have one problem.


 * How one discussion on one talk page that most contributers to this kind of article would not have seen is a base to go around deleting masses of content (and hard work) without many people having any idea what was going to happen. I have not recently seem the First Leeds page, yet I find that one discussion about a company in Leeds has affected so many others.


 * If this kind of non-dicussion-before-big-edits is OK on Wikipedia, then I have serious concerns. <b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;">talk 17:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the main problem here is the lack of discussion behind what is physically taking place. Wide-ranging content removal on such a large scale on so many articles should not take place without discussio. That is unless of course, Wikipedia policy is clearly violated. Which in this case, I can confidently say, it isn't.


 * Listing of routes operated by a bus company. That is the issue in question. Yes? Well, we can all confidently agree that is not advertising. We are writing an article about a bus company, and a list of routes displayed on a company website (which is advertising) would be very different. It's obvious why and how, and people involved can easily see the different between a Wikipedia list of routes and an advertised "buttered-up" list of routes. Take this for example, which goes into detail about how things have been ammended and tweaked "due to our customer demands" and such-like. That is advertising.


 * Now then - a directory. This is more complicated, as there are various things which constitute a directory. Cross-categories, (sales) catalogues & loosely associated topics are not an issue with this case. If phone numbers or any obvious contact details are involved, however, they should definately be removed. The main issue, is that it could be a resource for conducting business. And, if the picture is widened, that just brings us back to advertising. Look at it this way - this is an ancyclopedia. The aim is to tell people about a subject, in this case, a bus company. But not to advertise it. You know how bus companies advertise their routes? Following our customer requests... and due to extremely encouraging use of this route... and a bus ride through the beautiful Lancashire countryside, with dipping valleys, sea-side resorts... and all that trollop? THAT is advertising. A list of routes, and ONLY a list of routes within a detailed article, serves the purpose of an encyclopedia, and not an advert. And no policy is violated.


 * Now that needs communicating to the user who's deleted all this stuff. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 22:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Right, thanks for what you have done so far! I think that a lot of people are now entering a more formal discussion about the problem. I am glad you do think that route lists are not advertising, even if other things are. I am also glad I have done the right thing by not reverting (well, only one but that wasn't a list) anything yet. I hope we can get this sorted out soon. <b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;">talk 15:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, no worries, and don't hesitate to give me a shout if you need some help! Best wishes, <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 16:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA Thanks
Thank you for your support at my RFA, which has closed as a success. I didn't realise until a short while before my RFA started that coaching was an issue at RFAs. I realise now that we coachees can sound a bit too prepared, and that is why your support despite that issue means a lot to me. Once again, thank you. StephenBuxton (talk) 22:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome, and I am glad to see you succeeded. I know, many people see admin coaching as a negative, and I can see why, but Balloonman explained clearly in his introduction that this was not a "quest for power", as it were, but a constructive and thought-out process. You have come out of coaching as a highly capable Wikipedian, and you fully deserve these extra tools. Very best wishes, and happy editing, <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 16:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

What you and others think is right
In your last edit (to an archived convo no less) you kind of proved what I was saying. What "you and others" think is right isn't getting done, and your whining about it. That's what it still seems like. No offense, of course. And, I will, as others will, always try to make things better on Wikipedia. You can join us if you want! Beam 17:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thankyou for your reply. What do you mean "join us". Join us in what? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 17:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I mean, just for clarification...you mean join you in trying to obtain what is best for Wikipedia? I most surely will, but tbh, I have already spent over a year and a half doing just that. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 17:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Honestly? Join "us" as in "me" (lol), by just looking past that Giano bullshit (excuse my french). It's obvious the kid is a jerk, no question as far as I'm concerned. But his incivility is timid and most times seems a response to others abusing civility and baiting him. Take a look at my block log. I had issues with an admin who, at least to me (and eventually to others who backed me), abused the civility rule to remove a personal problem, the problem being me. So by join us, i mean join me, in not letting one jerk prevent the 'pedia from improving.

Personally I see the civility policy being abused by admins who disagree with a user, or a user's attitude. And, at least in this case, the user is productive and helps wikipedia. So what if he's borderline uncivil? I truly believe in WP:Ignoring Personal Attacks. Especially when they are passive or minor in nature. Civility policy is abused so much and needlessly. I almost quit the 'pedia over claims of me being uncivil, I wonder how many already have? Anyway I hope you don't think I'm an asshole like most people, I truly believe in this project and I hope me and you can be friends. No bullshit, I truly do. (Again excuse my Bastille day language). Beam 17:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I fully support your desire to improve Wikipedia to its fullest extent. And I admire your desire just to ignore (quote) the jerk (unquote). But incivility is still not tolerated here, and Giano has got away with rather a lot. Now it sounds like I'm whining again. ;) I fulyl understand what you are saying. This Giano issue has rumbled on for many months now, and we all just want to get it sorted that's all. But nothing can ever be done here without everyone falling out. Which is why your message just then was the highlight of my 'pedia day. You deserve a barnstar for that one. And yes, we are friends. :) x <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 17:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the barnstar, it's appreciated more than you know. It's really good that you followed along there when others would get defensive and then offensive right away. Most of the time when I try to express a disagreement, I come across like the asshole I am even when I try my hardest. Your ability to peacefully discuss something we disagree with is admired by me. I truly hope we have many more interactions in the future, none of them having to do with Giano. :) Beam 17:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not often people manage to sort out a differing of opinion in this way. Yes, I hope we do interact many times in the future. For the sake of sanity on both parts. Many thanks, best wishes, and happy editing! <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 17:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you

 * You are very welcome, and I am glad to hear of your success. Very best wishes and happy editing! :) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 10:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

And you're quite welcome too :). All the best, <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 21:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Bus articles
Hi! I've been away from home for a week so have not been aware of the extra messages. I have moved the discussion to User_talk:Richard_Harvey/Bus_articles and placed a hopefully constructive start message to get things underway. :o) Richard Harvey (talk) 09:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll keep an eye on it. I have told people to give me a shout when they need help as well. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 10:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Lradrama! Any chance you could perhaps reiterate some of your opinions you said previously at the current discussion at the above link? I'm the only one who has said anything yet! If you could, it would be great. Thanks, <b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;">talk 18:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes of course! :) Good to see you're still at work on the case, because I still believe all this deleting was wrong. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 10:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have referred to the Lancashire United article in my reply, because as you can see, the Services & operations section of that article is just lists of routes, with no contact information, flowery advertising or anything like that. Other sections on that article need work yet, such as Fares, although only special purchasable tickets worth noting are discussed in that section. Hope my reply helps, but don't hesitate to contact me again if in doubt. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 10:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems to have triggered more participation anyway. ;) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 14:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thanks for that. It is of great help and now more people are commenting. <b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;">talk 19:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the shiny!
Thanks for the star and the note on it. Just so you know, I am older than 18 now. In my RFA, I said I could legally vote in the United States. Not that that really matters...

J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds 12:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome. I don't think it matters whether an admin is 18 or not, that's not what is important. What is important is how mature they are on the inside, which, after all the time I have spent with you on this project, is something you definately are. And you would clearly benefit from using the tools. Regards, <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 14:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on User talk:Old Moonraker
Thanks for your intervention on my talk page: I appreciate it. --Old Moonraker (talk) 22:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Glad I could help! <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  22:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, A470 blocking
I am sorry but this is one of the first times that I have done this. Is links to Myspace not allowed then?

I wanted to put my mates band who are also called A470 on the end section but you keep blocking it. Advice would be great, thanks.

My name is Gareth and I tried to edit on the 24/07/08 @ 23:00.


 * Hello, thankyou for asking, I am glad to help you. :) OK, it would be best to have a quick read at this section of the essay. We all fully understand your desire to promote your band and write about it, but you must remember that this is an encyclopedia, and anything that isn't notable enough to be included in one, such as a localised band that hasn't been notable yet, cannot be included therefore. I hope you understand what I am saying. Very best wishes for you and your band, <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  22:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok fair enough, no problem. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.22.244 (talk) 00:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries, and thankyou for understanding. :) Best wishes, <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  11:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Lradrama.

Thank you for the welcome note. I hope I haven't been making too many mistakes, and yes, I plan to stay a Wikipedian.

Ciao —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joycloete (talk • contribs) 09:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome! Your edits so far have been terrific, well done. Good to hear you'd like to remain here. Don't hesitate to give me a nudge if you want some help! :) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  14:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

 * Well done, and I am glad to hear of your success. Keep up your excellent work! :) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  11:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

 * Well done! Keep up the good work! <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  18:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam
Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.

Cheers!

J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds 20:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Third thankspam message in the same day! Grrrr! Haha only joking, well done my friend! Keep up the excellent work! ;) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  22:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thank-you
Thank-you for your support of me at my recent RFA, which was successful. I have appreciated everyone's comments and encouragement there. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Enjoy the tools :) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  22:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

 * Well done :) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  15:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks!

 * Well done :) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  15:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
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Thanks for blocking. Their vandalism was getting really annoying. Anonymous101 (talk) 15:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome, and I'm glad I could help. :) And thanks for my cookie too! Keep up your excellent editing work. :) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  15:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hello again
Thanks!!!! I appreciate that more than you know. I had wondered what image I projected, as a n00b admin, to an experienced admin, and I guess now I know! Thanks again, and have a good day! (or evening, I guess, as it appears that you live in Great Britain...) J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  17:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's evening for me, and I should be in bed in over three hours. Don't worry about your image as an inexperienced admin, you're doing a fine job, and in the 9 months I have been an admin, few I have worked with have been as good as you. :) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  17:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
Wow, thanks so much! Actually, the AIV reports are a cinch; I use Huggle for that. :) &mdash;<font face="Century Gothic" color="violet">La <font face="Century Gothic" color="mediumorchid">Pianista! <font color="696969" face="arial narrow"> «talk»  17:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * You're welcome, and thanks for the WikiCake! I will enjoy that... ;) ;) <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  18:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks, Lradrama, for the message of encouragement. Thanks too for your comments at my RfA: I like that word, "sterling"! Best, Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 18:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hehe, don't worry about it, I believe you're a fine editor. You fully deserve the admin tools. :) Very best wishes, <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  12:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you
<div style="background-color: white; border: #5B92E5 solid 2px; margin-bottom:.5em; padding: 5px; font-family: trebuchet ms, sans-serif;"><font color="#084C9E">, I wish to say thanks for your support in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 82 supports, 3 opposes, and 1 neutral. I will do my best to live up to your expectations. I would especially like to thank Rlevse  for nominating me and  Wizardman  for co-nominating me. &mdash;  JGHowes <sup style="color:darkblue;">talk  -  19 August 2008


 * You are very welcome! Glad to hear that you succeeded! Keep up your stellar 'pedia work! <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  12:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Ariakon SIM-5
Hi. The article above is for a paintball marker (aka gun). To me, this looks like blatant advertising at worst, non-notable at best (the article even includes details of the price) - yet, there's a whole slew of articles, with their own template widget thing (sorry, I can't rememeber the term for that box at the bottom), which seem to have no 'real world' citations, references etc. Do you know if some decision was made to allow these to (apparently) violate WP:N, WP:RS etc, or do consumer products pass notability automatically ? WP:OUTCOMES seems to have nothing, so I'm at a loss to understand why no-one has removed them - or at the least, heavily edited out the advertising, speculative comments, and general opinions... I raised this at WP:EA, and the one response I got (so far) was to propose for deletion - but with so many articles involved, that would be a possibly contentious step. I've already got one administrators view about this whole category, but I'd appreciate that of another before I start making any changes, as I suspect it might get tricky...! Anyway, any thoughts you have would be appreciated. :-) CultureDrone (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This is an interesting case you have brought to my attention. I have spent a good amount of time sifting through these articles that the template presents. I see what you mean. The Ariakon SIM-5 article is written slightly like an advert. After looking solely at this article I was thinking maybe a simple re-write to get rid of the biased language would do the trick. But, I remembered the template that you mentioned, and had a look at some of the other articles. Some are rather badly written. On one, someone who had read the article posted a message on the talkpage, saying that they still did not understand what the article was getting at. Some of the references are a bit dodgy I think, like links to review websites, that are always biased anyway. So I surfed the net, trying to find some more reliable sources of information, but sadly, they don't seem to be as notable as I initially thought, with most hits coming from forums, and shopping websites. Providing the articles with proper references would be thus very difficult, and removing POV would leave some of the articles as tiny stubs I think. POV seems to have resulted from a lack of sufficient information to fill an article with. This really needs a collaborative discussion, but again, this seems to be a remote part of Wikipedia, and the articles haven't been allocated into any Wikiprojects. In light of this, I would suggest merging the whole lot into a main article. This fulfills the purpose of an encyclopedia better. And it's easier access to the required information. One main article, with sections with a paragraph on each should be sufficient. But the references are a problem still. Maybe someone who knows a lot about these type of paintball guns will be able to come up with some reliable sources? Then a merge is my way forward. <span style="font-family:Miriam,sans-serif"> Lra drama  16:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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