User talk:Magnolia677/Archive 11

Moncton New Brunswick
Why the removal of No Hot Cargo Saint john? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnserss12 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Because your edit was a coatrack. You went into great detail slamming the Argentine dictatorship, but this article wasn't about the Argentine dictatorship.  It was about a city in Canada and this protest was barely notable.  Hijacking the article in this way was not appropriate.  My suggestion would be to leave a message on the article talk page.  Magnolia677 (talk) 18:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Magnolia677 figured a bit of back drop was required to explain the actions. Just an example of social unionism is all. No hijacking here

Just wondering why you reverted my recent edits on the Moncton New Brunswick article.

The edits were minor, and if you look back on the history of this article I think you will find that I have been the principle contributor for the Moncton article. Most of my work was back in 2007 & 2008, but I go back once or twice a year just to ensure things are still accurate. Things do change over time. The purpose of my edits this time were to correct syntax (in one case) and to update information on the page. For example, the Dieppe Commandos hockey team have moved to Edmundston for the upcoming season, and Crandall University is no longer in expansion mode. Information like this need to be kept current. Again, if you look at my edit history I think you will find that I am not a vandal. My intentions to this article are purely honourable.

Thanks for your attention to this matter. MonctonRad (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for contacting me. Likely the edits you made are from original research, and I have no doubt now that you have contacted me that they are completely true.  Are you able to find a source to support your edit?  Likely something was published about the hockey team moving, and about the university.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 00:26, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

@Magnolia677

(1) - Regarding the Dieppe Commandos hockey team, here's a link to a CBC article about this - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/dieppe-commandos-moving-edmundston-1.3833154. (2) - As for the current status of Crandall University, there is no article to support the edit, but it is factual nonetheless - they built a new academic building and residence, but abandoned a plan to build an arena on campus. There are no current plans for future expansion. (3) - As for the curling championship, here is a link to the Canadian Curling Association website confirming the championship is being held in Moncton this year - http://www.curling.ca/blog/tag/2017-canadian-under-18-curling-championships/ (4) - the fourth edit was only to the introductory paragraph, and I was revising some of the wording I thought was stilted.

I would appreciate if you would reinstate my edits please. Thanks

MonctonRad (talk) 03:14, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Just add the sourced content back into the article, along with the source. Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 09:15, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar
I really appreciate it! LithiumAneurysm (talk) 14:20, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Harrison, Arkansas
Why were my edits changed on the Harrison, Arkansas page? I understand the historical photo we were given and scanned may have issues, but why did you alter the photo layout and place the photo from 2013 above the other photos? I have provided accurate information on the history and supported that with photos. Please advise.Mattsrealm (talk) 21:10, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Also, why were all of the sports venues I added under Parks and Recreation removed? Here is the source for all of those venues. http://harrisonarkansas.org/c_upe_view.php?id=275Mattsrealm (talk) 21:16, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You added text to the article in addition to the photos, but did not provide a source to support the text. It appeared to be original research so I deleted it.  Please take a moment to read Verifiability.  I also moved the photos because their placement was pushing the population template to the bottom of the article.  As well, I flagged one of your photos that appeared to be a copyright violation.  I also removed "Arkansas" from the photo captions.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add your text back and include the source. Thanks.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * @Magnolia677 Can I rearrange the photos on the page without deleting them? I would prefer the photos that have true historical significance be at the top of the page and push the one depicting hate as you have agreed to the bottom of the page.  Also, I will be sure to include the web sources going forward. Thanks!Mattsrealm (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The photo depicting hate actually has sourced text in the history section. Ideally, photos should be near the text that describes them.  For example, a photo of a university should be in the education section, though this isn't always possible.  There should also be a purpose to the photos added to articles.  Have a look at Manual of Style/Images and Images.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Using this theory, all of the photos below it should be above it as it was the furthers item down the page. For example, the flood of 1961 was along Crooked Creek and it has since been dammed up to form Lake Harrison thus the supporting image was provided. Also, the Buffalo River photo would be above it due to the river being designated a National Park in 1972 and the headquarters for the river are in Harrison. I hope you are not offended, but it appears as though you are working against me on this effort. Picture placement is important and that is why I feel that photos of greater significance to our City's history should have placement priority.Mattsrealm (talk) 21:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing, the Wikipedia article about Harrison isn't actually owned by Harrison, it's owned by Wikipedia. Editors follow very specific rules when editing, which is why I directed you to the policies about images.  I realize you want to remove the references and photo of your city's racist past, and who could blame you.  I looked at your city's website and it looks lovely and welcoming.  That is why I suggested discussing it on the article's talk page.  Magnolia677 (talk) 22:03, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow....that's one poor article. The history section reads like an eighth grade "D" essay. Way too many pictures. All but maybe three need to go with a Commons link box in the external link section. Non encyclopedic tone throughout. Poor sourcing in many places. Egad. John from Idegon (talk) 01:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you've ever been to Arkansas, but it is breathtakingly beautiful and the people are as welcoming and polite as any you'll ever meet. Some of the backroads of Desha County get you right up to the Arkansas and Mississippi Rivers.  Here is an interesting factoid: Lake Beulah and Lake Whittington are both located in Arkansas and Mississippi, as the state line runs the center of both lakes; and you can use a fishing license from either Arkansas or Mississippi in both lakes.  But the only possible way you could get a small fishing boat into either lake is by driving through Mississippi.  Also, I believe  is the old Jefferson Davis plantation, but the only way to get there is by driving through Louisiana.  It would be interesting to create a list of the enclaves of the Mississippi River.


 * While I've got your ear, a while back I created the category settlements destroyed during the American Civil War, but no one seems to know about it. If you can make use of it that would be great.  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 11:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Passed through a couple times on a very bizarre Chicago Motor Club routing from NW Indiana to the Austin TX area when I was a kid. I remember a very long very straight two lane North South road thru Mississippi that seemed to have been built to avoid any town with more than 100 people in it. Did spend a week in the Ozarks once. Not a big fan of high temperatures and high humidity. The desert I live in now suits me well. John from Idegon (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC).

@Magnolia677 Correct me if I am wrong but the individual Thomas Rob should not be listed on the history portion but rather the notable people section. Using this theory, every famous individual that lives within 20 miles of Harrison should also be listed in this section. He does not live in Harrison. He does not even work in Harrison. Yet he is listed on the Harrison wiki page. Thoughts?Mattsrealm (talk) 13:51, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I recall seeing something about that on the talk page at some point. He's in a place called Zinc of something like that, but keeps a mailing address in Harrison.  Magnolia677 (talk) 15:34, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * @Magnolia677 that is correct. However, he is a notable person and probably should be moved to that listing.Mattsrealm (talk) 19:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Brucedale, Ontario
I don't think you've sufficiently established the notability for Brucedale to warrant its own page. I suggest leaving it as a redirect to Guelph/Eramosa, and adding anything you might want to say to that page.Tunborough (talk) 11:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If Brucedale was a redirect, Wikipedia readers would miss out on the article's brief but important content, and the nifty picture. Brucedale is also a populated, legally recognized place, much like Pink, Mississippi and a thousand other stub articles about small towns, so it's quite notable per WP:GEOLAND.  Even better, the Brucedale article provides a good template for other editors who may wish to create articles out of all the redirected hamlets in the area.  A good place to start would be with Rockwood, which is mentioned on the Guelph/Eramosa article.  Rockwood has a long and important history and would make an excellent article.  Thanks for writing.  Magnolia677 (talk) 15:31, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not convinced. A plowing match over 50 years ago does not represent a history, and a traffic light does not represent a photogenic attraction.  I find this stub embarrassing. Tunborough (talk) 01:36, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Your work on Centre Inn, Ontario, on the other hand, does have merit. Thank you for that.  However, it is somewhat moot, because few people would recognize the name Centre Inn any more.  In contrast, Rockwood, Eden Mills, Marden and Everton are still recognizable communities. Tunborough (talk) 01:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I noticed that User:Fixer88 created Kittle, Arkansas today. Look at Kittle on a map, in the middle of nowhere, and the stub article just one sentence long.  If you had your way it would be deleted along with Port Anderson, Mississippi, which has been covered by the Mississippi River for the past 150 years.  Please don't criticize the hard work of other editors.  Some editors enjoy writing stub articles about ghost towns.  If you look at West Virginia, nearly every article about the tiny hamlets in the state were written by one editor. Go look.  He was written up in the news for his hard work.  I would never approach you and say, look at Jaap Stotijn, who cares about an obscure Dutch oboist.
 * If you feel Brucedale, Ontario or Kittle, Arkansas have no merit and embarrass you because few people recognize these places, then put forward a proposal to get rid of stub geographical articles. Until then, keep your insults to yourself.  And for the record, Port Anderson gets more views per day than Jaap Stotijn.  Magnolia677 (talk) 03:24, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the harsh tone of my comments. Stubs in general do bother me, and this one in particular caught my attention.  I'll have to suck it up and accept that others view stubs differently and stubs aren't going away.  For the few articles I've created, I've tried to make sure the article had some substance before I moved it into mainspace.  Carry on. Tunborough (talk) 13:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Charles O'Rear
He may be a noted photographer, but Bliss is by far his most noteworthy picture. And if that was your only problem with my edit, why undo the whole thing? His birth year is redundant (already shown in the infobox and later on the page) and I think it's good to specify why Bliss is noteworthy. —Entropy (talk) 16:53, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * My apology for adding back his birth date. As for what he is most notable for, he participated in DOCUMERICA, and his photos are credited on the following Wikipedia articles: Empire Builder, Mililani, Hawaii, Halstead, Kansas, Searchlight, Nevada, Santa Monica Mountains, Imperial Valley, Upper Newport Bay, Ellwood Oil Field, Malibou Lake, California, Buena Vista Lagoon, Southwest Chief, Aerial application, Labour economics, Ford County, Kansas, and Manual labour.  If you feel he is most notable for one particular photo, please discuss on the talk page, as this seems a personal opinion.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks from Naawada2016
Hi Magnolia677

Thanks for your comment on the edit of The Crow reservation. About Frank B. Linderman's book: Plenty Coups. I have the book on my shelf, and the pages 239-240 are right. It is a Bison Book, first printed 1962, printing no. 10,(original version 1930). Last page in my book is 324. Yes, it is confusing, when they print a new version with more text on each page. I am quiet new at this, and it is first time I try using a Talk page, so I hope, I have done it all right.Naawada2016 (talk) 08:09, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Mlpearc
I'm going to put this discussion over here, otherwise Coffee will yell at me for stalking him. I'm not, I saw the AIV report (after seeing a note on ANI that it was backlogged), looked at the issue (which had happened previously on an article I got to GA and did extensive work on) and was surprised to see Mlpearc blocked.

While I have been known to connect my forehead to a masonry-based solid permanent barrier on multiple occasions with Mlpearc, he is usually right on merits and my problem is I wish he would just twinkle less and use personalised messages more. I don't think a block is particularly helpful or useful; in this situation I would have full-protected the article and told everybody to grow up, not block. Still, 24 hours is not particularly long so I assume he can sit it out. might want to comment as I think he's been involved in a similar dispute in the past. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not thrilled with a number of WP:3RR blocks I've seen lately. All admins need to pay more heed to the last paragraph: "If an editor violates 3RR by mistake, they should reverse their own most recent reversion. Administrators may take this into account and decide not to block in such cases—for example if the user is not a habitual edit warrior and is genuinely trying to rectify their own mistake." It is policy that blocks aren't punishment yet in these types of cases it definitely seems they're being levied that way. I'm never going to WP:3RR block an established editor with no edit warring blocks or recent warnings without first warning them (usually a note along the lines of, "Hey, be careful of WP:3RR please") and giving them a chance to stop (which achieves the goal of stopping the disruption). Even for newer editors who have been warned and still break 3RR, I will still sometimes look for alternatives if I think they're communicating intelligently. However I am often not fast enough to prevent a block., --Neil N  talk to me 13:47, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't 3RR block very often; usually it's because I believe the blockee knows exactly what 3RR is and is behaving in a way that suggests it only applies to other editors, not them. (example). Perhaps somewhere in WP:3RR's policy page, near where it says that the rule is not a license to revert a number of times, we should say equally that it's not a license for an admin to block the minute somebody does four reverts (or what I have trivialised as "eeny, meeny, miny, mo, ippy, dippy, 3RR, banhammer!") . Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:09, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2017
I would appreciate you responding to my response I made to you on my talk page rather than staying quiet, which makes you look suspicious about it. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 22:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I responded by placing a final warning on your talk page. Hopefully an administrator can look into your disruptive editing.  Magnolia677 (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A final warning doesn't answer what I've asked you, you only put that because I re-added the info, otherwise I know you wouldn't respond to it, because you already done it before. Care to back up your "disruptive editing" claim of mine? Bloomdoom2 (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Please discuss your concern on the article talk page where you added your unsourced content. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Why can't you just respond directly on my talk page originally, would be quicker to do so, and it wasn't unsourced, you should now better about how singles work. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Flibbertigibbet
I want to know why my example in the "In Popular Culture" section of the definition of "flibbertigibbet," which you removed almost as soon as I added it, wasn't as valid as any other example. It was a line in Charlotte's Web, spoken by the goose. I'll put it back as many times as I have to, unless you can prove to me that the goose didn't say it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.21.66.178 (talk) 16:57, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * What was your source? Magnolia677 (talk) 17:11, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand "source." The line is in the book itself. Are you saying to prove it? How? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.21.229.199 (talk) 04:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I have restored your edit, with a source. Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 09:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Calabasas
Asking for your input on Talk:Calabasas,_California as your revert comes across as random. Lyrda (talk) 22:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for your patience, keep your chin up!

Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:37, 7 April 2017 (UTC) 

WP:USCITIES
"This page is an essay on style. It contains the advice and/or opinions ..." and "This advice page is not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline and is not part of the Manual of Style." Abel (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what prompted you to tell me that, but thanks! In fact, Wikipedia guidelines have been created through the consensus of many editors, which means that deviating from a guideline goes against a pre-existing consensus.  A discussion on an article talk page is the best route to go when this is necessary.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 17:18, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It might be important to remember that "opinions" and "not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline " does not equal "delete whatever in the heck you feel like then quote WP:USCITIES as if that opinion essay has authority." Abel (talk) 17:22, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you please tell me what your issue is? Also, no need to ping me on my own talk page.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Oscar Munoz (executive)
The edits you—and others—are making to Oscar Munoz (executive) are simply non-encyclopdic. My addition of the “Controversy” section is an attempt to present the basic facts as stated without getting into alarmist, non-encyclopedic edit warring. Nothing that I posted paints the person in question in a positive light. Adding tabloid-like details—like you are other editors are doing—does nothing to add to the credibility of the claims. I will continue to edit the page—and related pages—for this kind of tone/tenor as I see fit. At the end of the day we all agree: What happened was horrible. But for Wikipedia these horrific facts need to be presented in a clear, neutral and verifiable way. Simple as that. --SpyMagician (talk) 14:23, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I specifically stated in my edit summary that "controversy" sections are to be avoided, per Criticism. You do not own that article.  Magnolia677 (talk) 14:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If my worst infraction was the use of “Controversy” I clearly state I reworded the heading. And yes, I do not “own that article.” Neither do you. What attracted me to it and engaged me in editing it is the inane level of non-encyclopedic content as well as non-neutral POV on edits you and others have made. Simple as that. The incident is horrific and ridiculous; sensationalism doesn’t change that. This is Wikipedia not a gossip blog. Always remember that. --SpyMagician (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly you did not read my edit. I rewrote the section for clarity and cleaned up the sloppy sourcing.  Pay attention.  Magnolia677 (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I did read your edit. The sourcing is sloppy and you continually engage in edits that are non-neutral and non-encyclopedic. --SpyMagician (talk) 14:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You reverted my edit that removed "overbooked," stating it is well-sourced. It's not well-sourced; it's mainly headlines and commenters throwing the word about.  The news stories suggest that what happened was, they decide to put four employees on the plane, at the expense of paying passengers.  That is not the same as "overbooked."

Here is the source that confirms that it was NOT overbooking: From the above source: "United required the seats on the Chicago plane to accommodate several crew members who needed to get to Louisville to avoid canceling other flights, spokesman Charles Hobart said. The flight wasn’t oversold, he said." also from the same source: " United said initially that the flight was overbooked, its staff chose him and he didn’t want to get bumped. The airline later said it needed room for its own employees to get to another flight." 40.139.55.99 (talk) 19:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring warning
Please don't edit war. You came close to a block. Just because you revert three times instead of four does not mean you won't be blocked next time. Thanks. El_C 08:16, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Re:U.S. Route 66 in Arizona
Sorry, I forgot to use an edit summary. But I removed those categories because the highway no longer exists, and therefore shouldn't get a place in county transportation categories. ToThAc (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Velous Music Wikipedia Page
Good morning, this is Claire C, Tyler Bryant, other know as Velous Music assistant. I have tried to make several edits on Velous's Wikipedia page which in turn gets changed back. I understand that an artist can not have control of their own page and you decide what goes up on his page and what comes down. He has a lot of work from the past 2 to 3 years that isn't accounted for on his Wikipedia page. I would like to know how we go about working with you from here on out in order to give you up to date and accurate information about Velous Music.

Thank you, ckcampo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckcampo (talk • contribs) 06:18, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for contacting me. I removed your edits to Velous because they didn't appear helpful, while another editor removed your edits because they felt they were promotional.  Please take a moment to read Conflict of interest.  Any requests for edits to the Velous article should adhere to WP:COIRESPONSE and WP:PAYTALK.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 11:29, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Glen Ellen

 * Quarryhill Botanical Garden :

12841 Highway 12, Glen Ellen, CA 95442


 * Jack London's Grave :

Writer Jack London lived in Glen Ellen from 1909 to his death in 1916...

The site of his ranch is now Jack London State Historic Park, which contains the ruins of Wolf House, several ranch buildings, the grave of Jack...

--CVB (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

WondaGurl
This edit you made doesn't require a source (and the pun isn't funny), its on the album' article I Decided, where the track listing itself on that article is here and is sourced. Please do not underestimate the importance of checking the album's article for backup, I am re-adding what you removed and classified as "unsourced content", because its not unsourced. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 03:01, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You will leave me little choice but to report you for edit waring. I'm sorry your editing style has remained so difficult.  Magnolia677 (talk) 03:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for your constant need for pointless "sourced edits" that you force upon other editors, which is exhausting by the way, and in this case its not even a reasonable case to add one. You just refuse to let go, I even gave you the source, but you feel that you are "in charge" and get to call out if an edit is "sourced", "unsourced", "reliable" or "unreliable", more like unacceptable of your behavior. Just to remind you, you don't own articles, but your actions appear that you feel you do every time when an editor messes with the Kodak Black article, regardless of you creating it. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 03:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Maps
Cities, towns, and just about every article using the settlement template almost all have text similar to “according to the Census” without ever bothering to show what those statistical areas include. Fairfax County alone has a similar budget to the entire state of Montana. Knowing what is included in a statistical area can radically change how accurately people compare areas. Enough with the war on maps. Your most common complaint is that the maps are “overpowering.” While that is not true, if it were true you could easily fix the situation by adding to the text. Abel (talk) 15:50, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * You have added your enormous self-created map to a number of articles. On some articles the text overlaps and is in a hard-to-read font.  Your map does not differentiate counties from cities.  Moreover, you have taken it upon yourself to add your map to locations only on the fringe of the map area.  Finally, consensus has still not been reached about whether your map should even be included on articles, see Talk:Manassas, Virginia.  Yet there it is, taking up half the page on a number of articles.  Magnolia677 (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Chaminade High School
Hi, Magnolia. I just noticed your recent changes on the above article and thank you. Typically promoting stuff found on many non public school articles. One thing tho. If you will notice, the descriptions in the Notables section are sentence fragments (which is fine), not sentences, and as such they should not end in a period. Nit picky MOS stuff for sure, but just an FYI for the future. John from Idegon (talk) 19:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Odd AVI report
This was a bit of a odd report at AVI. I have no clue if this is normal or not. &mdash; JJ Be  rs  16:24, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I used the drop-down menu in Twinkle and sent it to the wrong admin board. It should have gone to the username board.  Sorry about that!  Magnolia677 (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Please stop scolding me re: edits on articles on my Talk page
I have asked you several times now, but you continue to post notes on my Talk page, routinely scolding me for edits I have made on articles. Those articles have their own Talk pages where such discussions are more suitable. And the discussions are usually very lengthy there, including comments by editors on both sides of an issue. Some agree with you; some agree with me.

I promise not to start scolding you for edits, or to repeat complaints others have posted about your edits on your Talk page or to repeat edit warring warnings you have received. In return, please stop doing so on my Talk page. Peter K Burian (talk) 16:11, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Markville Secondary School
Hi, please CHECK carefully, except for the club information, I did cite them, PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINK YOURSELF AND SEE, DO NOT BLINDLY REVERSE EDIT SOMETHING THANK YOU  — Preceding unsigned comment added by OkinowaParisMusique (talk • contribs) 20:17, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * So cheeky. Clearly not a member of the Ambassadors Club.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:33, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Pushkin Private School
Hello Magnolia677. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Pushkin Private School, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to schools. Thank you. Adam9007 (talk) 00:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Reversion of edit to Vapor degreasing
Do I need to cite a source to support the change of state of liquid water into steam aka water vapor? Water is the universal solvent and by far the most commonly used solvent for vapor degreasing. Surely you're familiar with steam cleaners? Maybe you're not but I am. Do you want an encyclopedia article that leaves out the oldest and most commonly used substance used for the process the article describes or a truly encyclopedic article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.234.100.60 (talk) 02:07, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Flexicoil suspension reversion
So what is your suggestion as far as how to handle the vast difference between the U.K. locomotive suspension system shows in the image and labeled "Flexicoil suspension" and actual EMD flexicoil locomotive trucks found on EMD locomotives in their country of origin? In the U.S. our locomotives are mounted on trucks that are the entire chassis/suspension/drive system for the locomotive. We don't refer to a "Flexicoil suspension" and certainly don't apply it to any truck design that happens to have coil springs, which appears to be the custom in the U.K. If you'd like I can remove the entire article since its basically all garbage. Certainly I don't claim to be as knowledgeable about locomotives as long-time Wikipedia editors, but I did work on them for a few years as a Union Pacific locomotive machinist at the largest rail classification yard and diesel locomotive repair/maintenance/service facility in the world. Has anyone checked to see if use of "Flexicoil" violates any EMD trademarks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.234.100.60 (talk) 02:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Flexicoil suspension reversion
So what is your suggestion as far as how to handle the vast difference between the U.K. locomotive suspension system shows in the image and labeled "Flexicoil suspension" and actual EMD flexicoil locomotive trucks found on EMD locomotives in their country of origin? In the U.S. our locomotives are mounted on trucks that are the entire chassis/suspension/drive system for the locomotive. We don't refer to a "Flexicoil suspension" and certainly don't apply it to any truck design that happens to have coil springs, which appears to be the custom in the U.K. If you'd like I can remove the entire article since its basically all garbage. Certainly I don't claim to be as knowledgeable about locomotives as long-time Wikipedia editors, but I did work on them for a few years as a Union Pacific locomotive machinist at the largest rail classification yard and diesel locomotive repair/maintenance/service facility in the world. Has anyone checked to see if use of "Flexicoil" violates any EMD trademarks? 68.234.100.60 (talk) 02:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest adding sources to support your edits, and stop relying on original research. Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 02:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

our old Louisiana pal
John from Idegon (talk) 01:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Good eye. There's a range block against him. I just reported a few socks yesterday here.  Let me add this one. Cheers.  Magnolia677 (talk) 02:30, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Long Beach freeways revert question
Hi Magnolia677,

I wanted to thank you for your vigilance, but I was hoping to ask for your reconsideration of one of your reverts on the Long Beach, California page...

I understand your concern for most of my additions (which may have been under a different IP address and almost certainly related to Wikitravel-like topics), but I was wondering if it would be more appropriate to have been more selective when choosing information to remove.

I tried my best to reorganize the section to more tightly follow a logical flow, despite referring to places outside of the city. Do you think any of that writing could be salvaged? 134.139.228.65 (talk) 04:21, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. Your edit added several additional paragraphs of text about the freeways in Long Beach, California.  I deleted the edit because what was added was a very detailed summary of which freeways connect to which other roads and freeways.  Wikipedia editors have agreed that articles should not be travel guides, per WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:USCITIES.  If you feel your edit is very important to the article, it may be best to leave a message on the article's talk page and get the input of others.  Thanks again.  Magnolia677 (talk) 10:38, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Magnolia677, Could you please send me the text of my deleted sections on Temple Update and Bell Tower Records while I gather the information to cite the text. I did a lot of work on it online and do not wish to recreate the text again.

Thank you, Ritch James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemo1866 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * All previous versions of an article can be found by clicking the history tab. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:27, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I will work on the corrections/updates to Temple when time allows.

Research
For crying out loud, you know better than to just do a superficial search as on Great Falls, Montana. Thank you ever so much for wasting my time. Next time, put out a little effort before dogpiling with inadequate research. Thank you for wasting a half hour of my time. Montanabw (talk) 01:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * All you appear to have done is revert two edits. How did that take 30 minutes?  Magnolia677 (talk) 01:04, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Go see my last round of edits after your comments, I sourced the thing. Which, frankly, the other editor could have done, while it was time-consuming, it was not rocket science.  I get very tired of these driveby deletions of non-controversial material. To let them go when I have a watchlist of about 5000 articles to maintain often means that the material is either gone for good or will later be re-added as a new edit without a fix.  Sometimes there is no deadline on WP and removing everything that's unsourced when it isn't a problem -- creates problems.  JMO.   Montanabw (talk) 02:34, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly you are still uncomfortable that three editors admonished you for your edits to Great Falls, Montana. I personally would drop it, but clearly you'd like my opinion so I will tell you that the addition of unsourced content is one of the reasons there is a cesspool of half-truths littering so many articles.  If an editor cannot take the time to source their edits, they should not add them....and they absolutely should not demand that others hunt down sources for their sloppy edits.  If every experienced editor thought, "hmmm, it kinda looks true, the numbers all seem to add up, I'll just leave it and hope it's true"...the project would soon become an absolute unreliable failure.  As well, at Talk:Great Falls, Montana, you insulted User:SummerPhDv2.0, who has made 30,885 edits, by calling them a "new user" and a jerk, and you said you were too busy to source your edit because you were watching the Kentucky Derby.  My barnstar for diplomacy is not forthcoming.  I'd like to drop it here.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 08:56, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Three editors? I see two people -- who were too lazy to help verify content!  And what I want is you to acknowledge that you made a knee-jerk and very superficial analysis when you claimed that only .  Summer went in and for no clear reason I could see, just randomly blanked an entire list of films (where, upon review, there were a couple wrong items, but the rest checked out as really filmed there), which is just rude. And no, I was not "watching the Derby" (which is tomorrow -- Saturday), I was creating content:  Irish War Cry just now, Girvin a bit earlier.  I am just very irritated at people who randomly blank stable content instead of checking them out.  I do understand that Summer had two accounts -- I merely saw that the current one was created in 2015 and did not realize there was another one.   Montanabw (talk) 08:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If "unsourced" is "for no clear reason that (you) could see", why didn't you have an issue with it one month earlier?
 * I get it. You felt the material you removed as "unsourced" should have been removed as "unsourced" (though the target article clearly supports the claim). You felt that the material I removed as "unsourced" should have been seen as a work assignment for someone who has more time than you. Contrary to policy, you restored the unsourced material without providing an in-line source. Not a good plan. I did not "randomly blank" material. I exercised judgement, much as you had n=one month earlier. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 17:06, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Clarification: "SummerPhDv2.0" is the result of a lost password. Combined with my edits as "SummerPhD", I'm somewhere north of 100,000 edits over 11 years. I don't like being called a "jerk". I much prefer the kind of accusations catalogued at User:SummerPhDv2.0. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 13:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * , I was in error for thinking you a relatively new user so I will apologize for that. However, as an editor who myself has also been around over 11 years and closing in on 100,000 edits, I am not going to apologize for saying you were a jerk to blank that movie list-- it's easy to get to 100,000 by removing things, it is hard work to get there by creating content and sourcing it.  Also, you expressed some serious anti-western bigotry by calling Great Falls "Smallville" -- It is a major city in the region and trust me, we do have indoor plumbing out here.  (how bout this: You apologize for "Smallville" and I will apologize for calling you a jerk?)  Montanabw (talk) 08:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * As you know, personal attacks are not acceptable anywhere on Wikipedia. You've now labelled me a "jerk" and an "anti-western bigot". Doubling down on a personal attack is a really bad idea and hardly likely to get you the result you want.
 * Great Falls, Montanta has a population of 60,000. There are roughly 300 cities in the U.S. with populations double that. I consider that "small". You do not. You consider "small" an attack on the town and its population. I do not. I consider "jerk", "lazy", "rude" and "bigot" to be personal attacks. You apparently do not.
 * My reference to Smallville, as I explained, is not to the fictional, small town but to the article (on a fictional, small town) that sees far more visits than this one. Tagging material added 8 years ago (or more, 2009 was thee expected release date) looking for a source is likely to lead to nothing but another scar on a page, languishing for as long as you'd care to leave it there. Yeah, "somebody heard it somewhere". Good for them. If they give us the source, the source is reliable and the information is noteworthy (a non-notable film was partially shot nearby is not noteworthy), we can keep it.
 * If you intend to call me a jerk, lazy, rude and a bigot, say my editing is "easy" and insist that I ignore my judgement in favor of your judgement*, you may want to re-examine your plan. (*You'll recall that very shortly before I removed unsourced material as "unsourced", you removed material as "unsourced".) - Sum mer PhD v2.0 16:56, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Let's take this discussion to your talkpage, where we also have an open thread. I am just stunned by the bias inherent in your "smallville" comments, but will not discuss further here.  I do apologize to Magnolia677 for hijacking this talkpage, but Magnolia677, please realize that your comment at the article talk about how only two articles mentioned Great Falls was really quite inaccurate and I was very frustrated by that.   Montanabw (talk) 02:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Just drop it friend. You complain about how busy you are editing, now you want to take your beef about some smallville comment to another editor's talk page.  I see User:SummerPhDv2.0 all over the place making excellent edits and there's a possibility they may be too busy to engage with you over something that seems kinda vacuous.  Some of us are like Ninjas deleting unsourced content, and that's not a bad thing.  Take a look at Kodak Black. It gets about 1.5 million views per year and has been protected from IP vandals since a week after I wrote it.  If I tried to find sources for every unsourced edit added to that article I'd have no time scratch my head even.  Just drop it.  Magnolia677 (talk) 02:37, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for hijacking your talkpage. I'll wrap it up. My only comment to you directly, Magniola677, is that the next time you tag-team, please do a little actual research --it's very frustrating to deal with a comment such as I also attempted to clean up this article by looking for the words "Great Falls" on all the target articles, and just two movie articles mention the city -- using WP as a source for WP is not exactly research. I sourced most of the items on the list from two simple websites (both sponsored by a responsible entity), deleted those that weren't, left comments on the gray area ones, and my editing colleague went in and improved the sourcing further. Bottom line, I respect that you are a solid content creator, so I suspect you know that it takes time and effort to curate a large watchlist. The standard is not to remove everything simply because it is unsourced (in which case, we'd delete 3/4 of the encyclopedia, I fear) and WP:V does not mandate removal solely for being unsourced... "...any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed." (emphasis added). In other words, there is WP:NODEADLINE. And with that, I'm done. Montanabw (talk) 00:39, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Toronto collage
This is not even remotely blurry or taken through a dirty window. It's a professional shot. Charles lindberg (talk) 22:55, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Also planes do not fly that low around the city unless it's for show. Picture was likely taken from a helicopter. Charles lindberg (talk) 22:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Great action shot, but kinda blurry and not as good as the photo it replaced in the Toronto article. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:07, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Bunkie, LA
Yes, I do attend the school that Isiah M. Warner teaches at, however my additions have nothing to do with my personal feelings or any conflict of interest. He is in fact from Bunkie, May 17th will actually be named Isiah Warner day as he is speaking at their high school graduation. The additions I made were made with supporting sources for proof. The statements made were purely factual and had no personal feelings added to them. So how is that a conflict of interest? There are people on the Notable People section that merely presided in Bunkie, not from there. It is a fact that he is from there, his awards and honors are facts. Why would you revert when everything written was a fact? You asked me to look at the criteria for Notability and I have: He fits many of the criteria listed. Tmyers14 (talk) 21:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * 2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level. As I mentioned in the article he is a Boyd Professor, which is the highest level in the LSU system. He was also the 2016 SEC professor of the year, which is a national level. He also won a Presidential award.
 * 3. The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the IEEE). He is a part of many prestigious associations, which I mentioned in my addition
 * 5. The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon). He holds the West Professor Chair at LSU.
 * Thank you for writing. First, the general criteria for entry on a notable people list is having a Wikipedia article.  I would suggest you post a message on the Bunkie, Louisiana talk page and get the input of other editors about adding Isiah M. Warner as a notable person.  Regarding the conflict of interest, if you personally know Isiah M. Warner, or have ever had this person as one of your professors, this would likely be a conflict of interest.  Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:52, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Falls Church "Controversy" Section
Hello. Thanks for your explaining your edit on removing the Falls Church "Controversy" section. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falls_Church,_Virginia&oldid=779510770) I appreciate it. I understand now that putting in every protest doesn't merit inclusion in Wikipedia, and that's not what I'm aiming for. It seems, however, that the clinic has gained regional notability for attracting protests, over many years, and that has become a feature of Falls Church itself. Yes, protests happen in every city every day, but this center is a particularly noteworthy flashpoint of ongoing controversy. So, to avoid an edit-revert war, is there a way to note the clinic's notability without cataloging the day-to-day protests? I'd welcome your thoughts. Thanks. GetSomeUtah (talk) 08:55, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. While a consensus of editors support including "information on hospitals and clinics in the city", per WP:USCITIES, I deleted that section because the abortion clinic did not seem particularly notable.  Several news reports discuss the protests and bomb threats, as well as a visit by a candidate in an election, but this is typical for these clinics, and none of the news reports indicated the Falls Church Healthcare Center is particularly unique on a national level (compared to American Family Planning).  I also did a Google book search to find less ephemeral discussions of this clinic, and found very little.  I have absolutely no issue with the topic, and if this clinic is notable it should be listed with some detail. The clinic and its protests just seemed of local note.  Can I suggest we start a talk page discussion at the article?  Cheers.  Magnolia677 (talk) 10:28, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the thoughtful response. Thank you. A Talk page discussion would be great.  I'll do that in the next couple of days unless someone beats me to it.  GetSomeUtah (talk) 22:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Toronto Fire Services
Thank you for being diligent in fact and citation checking my updates to the Toronto Fire Services page.

The reason that I listed no formal citation is that I am updating with the latest information, for which I am the actual source. I am the Toronto Fire Chief and can confirm that what I loaded to the page is both accurate and correct.

I respectfully request that you undo the reversion as the page is now displaying outdated and inaccurate information once again.

Thanks,

Matthew Pegg
 * Who you say you are is irrelevant and unprovable. All material requires verifiable sources. No matter who you are, what you know is completely irrelevant in an encyclopedia. The page in question is not for the fire service, it is about the fire service and all facts contained within must be verifiable to reliable published sources. For all but the most mundane facts, those sources should be completely independent of the fire service or the city. Encyclopedias are tertiary. That means we do not write about a given subject, we write about what is written about a given subject in reliable, independent sources. John from Idegon (talk) 00:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Three firemen walk beside muddy Lansdowne Avenue, north of Davenport Road.jpg
 * I added this awesome photo to the Toronto Fire Services article a few years ago. I left a message on Matthew Pegg's talk page.  I think I updated the stats a few years ago, but will see if I can source the recently removed stats.  You and I are like Ninjas with this stuff, but that's what keeps the project strong.  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 00:52, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Woodlane Plantation
Hi. I thought you might be interested in expanding Woodlane Plantation?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice to hear from you. The plantation was in a great location, right next to the river and a Walmart Supercenter.  I add a map to the infobox, centered on the old plantation house.  I'll poke around for some photos and text.  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 10:29, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Joey Galaxy
Hello Magnolia677. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Joey Galaxy, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Being signed to a notable label indicates importance/significance (WP:CCSI, WP:CCSI). Thank you.  So Why  18:31, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit on Virginia Military Institute
Military rank is specifically allowed per MOS:MILRANK; it is NOT an 'honoraria'.Bob80q (talk) 20:47, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Hank Thomas
The article on Hank Thomas is an example of out of control POV pushing with no sources and coat racking. The meat of the article is a description of the events in Anniston, most of which does not involve Thomas at all. This clearly belongs in an article on the Freedom Rides. Just being one of the Freedom Riders is not in and of itself a mark of notability. Nor is Thomas's later level of business ownership. The article also has too many uncited lines to be very helpful. I would recommend nominating it for deletion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:15, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I value your opinion. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:42, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

My edit on five guys.
You undid my edit on Five Guys.You did this because "this is an oversimplification of the cited article, and is misleading without additional detail." How is that so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ANDREWs13 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Your summation of the cited article was overly simplistic and cherrypicked some information over other information. Please discuss on the article talk page.  Magnolia677 (talk) 00:04, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Holly Springs
Thank you for taking a picture of Oakleigh. Any chance you could do the same with Chalmers Institute, Wakefield (Holly Springs, Mississippi) and Walter Place (Holly Springs, Mississippi) please?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey Zigzig, I only have one of the Walter Place. There's a sign in front that basically says "Ulysses S. Grant slept here".  Cheers!  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice house. I have been wondering if former slaves from Holly Springs ended up having to work for the International Shoe Company, and were then fired but stuck in St. Louis. I think it's highly probable, but probably not in the public domain as the owners/heirs may be worried about reparations.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:55, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, the achitect, Spires Boling, "owned" Ida B. Wells, who went on to co-found the NAACP.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:58, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't find his obituary on Newspapers.com, otherwise I would create an article. Can't find his dates of birth and death either.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:01, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The history of the south is fascinating. In Jackson there is a wonderful monument to Martin Luther King and Medgar Evers, but a Church's Chicken bought the property and built a garish sign over it.  Magnolia677 (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Any chance you might be able to drive up to Pontotoc please?Zigzig20s (talk) 02:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, do you know if there's a way to figure out the page number for this please? Sometimes Google Books does not give the page number; very annoying!Zigzig20s (talk) 05:52, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

May 2017
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Rebecca West. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Material that is cited in the body of the article doesn't need a new source to be summarized in the lead. Msbmt (talk) 02:05, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
 * If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
 * My apology. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:52, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Hope, Arkansas
The 'large white space' already existed before I moved the circa 1904 photograph of the city's downtown, but I'm leaving it as it now is (and not contesting 0t). MaynardClark (talk) 21:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, the layout was not great before your edit. I probably caused it when I added the photo a few years back. It's hard to get it right on an article like.  I made some fixes that make the article flow a bit better.  Thanks for writing, and your edit was completely in good faith.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:58, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That's the only reason I tried moving it. MaynardClark (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I just opened my fortune cooking and it said "A long history of hope will ease your restlessness". This is worth exploring.  Magnolia677 (talk) 22:28, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Pontototc
This. Not sure if you agree with Condi, but perhaps we ought to take and upload such pictures before they all disappear.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't even know there was an article about this. It's interesting driving from West Virginia to Virginia, and going from no Confederate monuments to seeing them everywhere. I'll add some pics in the next few weeks.  Thanks!  Magnolia677 (talk) 19:06, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * There's a ton of them here. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:30, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The Pontotoc one isn't there. The list is missing many of them.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:40, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That's the one! Why do you think there are two dates please? (see the list).Zigzig20s (talk) 10:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I mean here. I'm the one who added the info about the monument, but I found two dates online, so I added both to the list...Zigzig20s (talk) 10:12, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a good one. Not sure.  Magnolia677 (talk) 10:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Remy Banks Nigel Nasty
All of my information was correct on Remy Banks Nigel Nasty i was just fixing it as a fan and trying to help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killa Camden (talk • contribs) 01:36, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you're talking about. You've never edited either article.  Magnolia677 (talk) 01:39, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hullo there!
Just a reminder, gently, from an uninvolved, of WP:3RR / WP:EW, which seems to be getting approached on Katie Hopkins. Since there has been a suggestion of gaining consensus, I recommend the article talk page for that very purpose. Take care! &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  14:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing. I see your name all over the place but I don't think we've ever chatted.  My concern is that a consensus has already been reached here, and this consensus was clarified here.  I'm not sure why a new consensus needs to be reached?  Thanks!  Magnolia677 (talk) 14:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)