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 * 17:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC) The  Helpful  Bot  17:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

List of Scotland international footballers FLC
Hi Matthew, sorry to trouble you

This morning I noticed that this FLC had seemingly completely stagnated, with the original nominator apparently having lost all interest in responding to feedback. So I went through the article and corrected what I perceived to be all the outstanding issues, hoping to persuade people to come back and re-appraise the FLC. Unfortunately, unbeknownst to me, it had actaully dropped into the failed log earlier this morning. Once the FLC gets formally closed, is it permitted to immediately re-nominate the article, or is that considered bad form.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. I don't think it will be a problem. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 14:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Land Rover engines
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.
 * ✅ Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 20:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

FL
Tks for promoting the USNA (Astronauts) list. How long does it take the bot to update actual list talk page history tag, or is that done manually?  — Rlevse • Talk  • 01:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The bot just updated, tks  — Rlevse • Talk  • 02:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for San Francisco congestion pricing

 * Thanks! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for List of woodlice of the British Isles

 * Thanks! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Land Rover engines

 * Thanks! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Not All Dogs Go to Heaven
--Dravecky (talk) 23:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy 's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * La la la! Thank you! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

re: Not All Dogs Go to Heaven
Hi. I know you're one of our resident Family Guy dudes. Yesterday I wrote Not All Dogs Go to Heaven, but the plot was edited, then the production notes were removed by User:Immblueversion. I've opened a discussion at Talk:Not All Dogs Go to Heaven. Would you comment and try to clear it up a bit, please? Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I have had similar problems with this user being disruptive on the article Ocean's Three and a Half, with similar type actions, removing whole chunks of material that were quality improvements to the article. I would suggest instead of soliciting just one editor, to make use of processes to involve more members of the community about it. If it is a content dispute, WP:RFC on the article's talk page with him, (see Talk:Ocean's Three and a Half for a current, ongoing, example), if it is edit-warring, WP:ANEW, and if it is general miscellaneous disruption, WP:ANI would be the way to go to gain input from other previously uninvolved admins. Please do keep me posted if you decide to go one of those routes. Yours, Cirt (talk) 07:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For now I've opened a discussion at Talk:Not All Dogs Go to Heaven. We're both at 2RR right now, so if he makes the same edit to the article, I'll go to ANEW; if he doesn't but we can't come to an agreement, I'll go to RFC. Meanwhile, are you in a position to comment on the talk page? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully the two of you can resolve it amicably without need for further input. Keep me posted either way and I will give a comment or two if you seek out one of the processes mentioned above. Cirt (talk) 15:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Whatever happened with this? Cirt (talk) 13:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * We resolved it at the article talk page. Thanks for you help in it, regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Country outlines project update - 2009/03/08
Things have been slowing down again, so it's time for a big push...

We've gone live
This project needed a shot in the arm. Also, its draft pages have been littering Wikipedia's categories for months. The time seemed right to move all the country outline drafts to article space.

WHAT???

Well, the drafts had been sitting in Wikipedia space for a year.

WHAT???

Development has been moving at a snail's pace and we could use the help of the Wikipedia community at large (who are more likely to find these if they are in article space).

WHAT???

Yes, we've gone live. :)

This puts pressure on us to get the blatantly incomplete elements of these outlines done. The only glaring problem is the government branches sections. These need to be corrected ASAP.

I've mentioned THE GOVERNMENT BRANCHES SECTIONS many times to many people over the past year, but the problem just doesn't seem to have been taken seriously. So let me put it another way:

HELP!!! I need your help on this now. Almost all the countries have a government with an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. The links for these branches need to be completed for each country outline:


 * Here's a convenient list you can use WP:LINKY on to access and edit these quickly. Please copy the list's link to the top of your talk page so that you can access it easily.

If you spot any standardization in links, and ways we can automate parts of this process, or for groups of countries that have links in common, please let me know!

Administrative support for outlines
There has been growing pressure on me to write up the administrative pages for outlines - their instructions, guidelines, etc. Therefore, I'm now in the process of composing these. Fortunately, it is mostly a matter of gathering material from messages I've written to you guys over the past year. Still, this is taking up most of my time, and I will be buried in these for the foreseeable future.

Traffic control
The next big task after the government branches sections are cleaned up is link support for the outlines.

There's quite a list of links and notices that need to be put in place around Wikipedia, providing access to them to readers, and alerting editors to the need to develop and maintain these pages. This will keep our bot people very busy (and happy).

But the most important thing right now is to get the government branches sections completed. So please, put your bots aside, roll up your shirt sleeves, and start typing.

Thank you.

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   02:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.

TV awards and nominations lists
The Dexter awards list was moved. Do you think we should move the other TV series awards list FLs? Dabomb87 (talk) 19:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Talk page stalking. I personally thought this would happen ages ago. I do think we should change the FLs. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  20:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I do. Same with the music ones. Some should be done already though because it's often something I catch. Wasn't there a discussion at [WT:FLC]] a while ago? I didn't really follow it, but when pages such as List of Lost awards and nominations pop up, it's a bit ambiguous as to whether they are lost awards, or awards for Lost. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 20:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Gary King did the music awards a while back. I think I will be bold and move the lists. If asked, I will cite various FL discussions and invoke the need for standardization and disambiguation. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. Let me know if you need any admin moves over redirects. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 20:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * None needed (I will let GimmeBot correct the names on WP:FL and on FLC pages). I may need your support if a horde of angry editors swarm me though ;) Dabomb87 (talk) 20:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to keep you updated, everything in Category:Lists of awards by television series has been moved to List of awards and nominations received by (TV series). Hopefully, we won't have to deal with this again. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. Hopefully any new articles will follow those as examples, then. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Actually, Rambo's Revenge just alerted me to Category:Lists of awards by actor, which we will probably work on tomorrow (I've done enough moves for a day!) Dabomb87 (talk) 22:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * All done now. Hopefully we won't have this problem again. Randomly these moves got declared by someone as a new naming convention. Rambo's Revenge (talk)</b>  10:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your help Rambo. I don't think the declaration is such a bad idea. I have a feeling a few editors will experience a large jolt when they log on and see a ridiculous number of moves on their watchlist. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, nice work guys. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 23:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Speed Grapher episodes
Needs to be withdrawn. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I will be on vacation (away from computer) for much of next week. If there are any FLCs that I have opposed, and it looks like the issues have been resolved, feel free to promote and disregard my oppose. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn it! OK, well thanks for the heads up. Hopefully someone will pick up on the source checking and such. I guess I can do it. Have a good time. BTW, do you remember what that template is for FLC/FACs that have been closed early telling the nominator not to update the talk page? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I won't be gone long, only from Sunday to Thursday, although my editing on (next) Friday might be lower than usual. Use the text from Template:FACClosed; you might create Template:FLCClosed if you want. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the one. Thanks! Enjoy yourself. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed the parameter used to, as that is more accurate, and that is what Sandy uses when she withdraws FACs. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, that's fine. Thanks, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * On an unrelated note, could you visit Featured article candidates/Premiere (The O.C.)? I raised some concerns over the use of the "work=" field in the cite template causing incorrect italicising, and neither I nor Rambo's Revenge can think of a suitable work around. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Implemented those suggestions. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  23:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) At about what time are you or Scorpion going to promote or archive today? I'm trying to decide whether I should review more FLCs or revisit those that I have already commented at. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'll wait until as late as possible, if you'd like. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 19:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I think everything that is eligible for pr/ar is ready from my end. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. I'm gonna look at those Naval academy images, so I'll do it after that unless Scorpion gets to it first. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 20:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You've got mail. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Disturbed discography
Why? C anniba  loki  02:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Discographies are lists. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)→
 * Some WikiProjects don't support List-class, see this edit. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ←Oh. I know, but the WikiProject Discographies already is consisted of lists, so we should classify these lists as Stub, Start, C, or B. I have thought in this way.  C anniba  loki  03:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point; I've reverted myself. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your understanding. C anniba  loki  04:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

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 * 16:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC) The  Helpful  Bot  16:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Law & Order: Criminal Intent (season 1)
--Dravecky (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

L&O:CI
Thanks for the talkpage pointer - I had missed your comments. Replied... and I'm off for the night. Tvoz / talk 08:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way - you have to account for the Goren/Bishop team in season three as well, which I think you missed in the lead material. Tvoz / talk 04:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I purposely didn't mention her as she was just a guest character for a few episodes. She didn't appear in the credits, did she? You're right though, she does need adding in the columns, which I intend to do next weekend. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

USNA images
I added a bunch of info on the images that will hopefully help. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 23:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Either I or a good samaritan has worked all the images. Please look them over. We're still working on the Ripley one. If you have questions let us know.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 02:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I worked on a few of them too. I've just spend a few days away, but I've had a look at some of the ones I didn't do and they look good now. I haven't had time to look over them all, and I don't know if I will, but nice job on getting it done. :) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Tks. The only questionable on is Ripley in my mind, so I'll remove him from the article. Other than that, can you strike the others out or make a comment so it's known you no longer object? That's what it sounds like you're saying, let me know if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 11:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'm away from home at the moment, which is the reason I haven't done that earlier this week. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Skunk Anansie discography
When you have the time, can you look at this? I am a bit uneasy about supporting at the moment. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have some issues, but don't have the time to address them myself. I've left comments but may be unable to revisit to see if they're addressed. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Requested move
See Featured list candidates/Michael Jackson filmography. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, if you have time, List of alumni of Jesus College, Oxford: Archbishops and bishops needs an image check. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I had a go with the image review but don't have any real experience in this field. It turns out there are a lot more complexities than I first envisaged. There are only 4 images here so can you give them a check over if you have time, and tell me if I am completely wrong.  Rambo's   Revenge   (How am I doing?)   16:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll look into as much as I can this evening. I've been away from home this week and I don't have good access to the internet. The stuff at WT:FLC has taken me back a bit. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not well versed in UK copyright, and not only does it have to be PD in the UK, but also in the US because of the Wikipedia servers being in the US. The external links you gave were interesting, and so I think the review is fine. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Date formatting
Just a question. I noticed you converted the ISO style of dates to another style, and was wondering if you had a tool to do it. I'm not planning on doing anything major (I want to stay as far away from all the ArbCom date stuff as I can!) but would be interested if there was a monobook script that does it. If there is could you point me to it please. Many thanks,  Rambo's   Revenge   (How am I doing?)   20:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no script (that I'm aware of) that converts articles from ISO to other styles. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Lightmouse's script has a "All dates to dmy" and "All dates to mdy", but it never seems to work for me. In the case above, I did it manually. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I also try to stay away from the arbcom thing. I've managed to only change the date format of references to match those used in the main body of the article. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Trust me, you don't want to go near that thing with a long stick. This should tell you all you need to know. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. It's all extremely stupid. C'est la vie. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

PD review
Posting to several FLC regulars, maybe this program would work, see <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> •  Talk  • 01:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Redlinks in country outlines
To browse the links of the country outlines by topic (to see which ones are red), take a look at the lists listed at User:The Transhumanist/Lists by country.

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   01:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

At arms!
You have a real welcoming party waiting for you... Dabomb87 (talk) 22:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to apologize for starting all of this without your input and catching you unaware (and that's why you don't leave me in charge of anything). My first post was kind of a spur of the moment thing, and I decided that it would be best to summarize my thoughts in an essay. I was going to wait for your input before posting it, but I found out that you were gone, so I decided to post it. After that, I kind of just forgot about you. Also, nobody is calling for you to step down (I'm a tad surprised that nobody has asked me to step down), and the messages at WT:FLC were mostly jokes. I'll try to wait for you to return before doing anything else (like adding a new criterion). -- Scorpion <sup style="color:black;">0422  16:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't worry about it. I probably overreacted a little. Don't take this short reply as anything other than me being busy IRL, either :) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have a chance, could you try to comment on the revised criteria? I'm hoping to be able to implement it next week, but I'm not going to do it without your input. Also, if this goes through, we may need another FLRC delegate. I have some ideas for who we could appoint, but I'm afraid that we would lose those users as FLC reviewers. Maybe TRM might be willing to take it over? -- Scorpion <sup style="color:black;">0422  13:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry -- didn't notice this until just now. If TRM wants the position, that is cool. I saw his comments regarding it at your talk page. I hope it won't cause him to not review FLCs though! Looking at WT:FL? right now. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

USMA Astronauts
Matt and Scorpion: see Bencherlite's comments and my responses about date formatting in refs. This is going to be an issue. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 20:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * told ya <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 20:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fear not, no need for FL Director action. I had got the wrong end of the stick and misunderstood a comment by SandyGeorgia at a current FAC to refer to all ISO dates in citations, instead of malformed ISO dates in citations. <wipes egg off face, get back to work>. Regards, BencherliteTalk 21:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And more importantly, there are far more issues than just reference date formats... I am officially back and ready to kick some butt... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it! For what it's worth, I believe you are correct regarding the A/a in astronaut, and we should strive to get things as correct as we possibly can, minor or not. It is a shame this wasn't caught in earlier FLCs, but it's not too late to make the necessary similar changes to the other lists. As for the verbal back-and-forth between two Crats, you both have Wikipedia's best interests at heart so it's not worth falling out over. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * FLC ≠ FAC. Lists are formatted entirely different from articles, and so the good folks at FAC may not be up to scratch with regards to lists. A lot of stuff over there does apply, but they also do some things differently and for good reason. Actually, the citation templates instruct that the date format should be the same as in the main body of the page. I've always believed, therefore, that if the date format for prose/table content is "26 March 2009", so too should the refs. If a table uses the ISO format, the refs can, too. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * We are aware of the inconsistent reviews at FLC, but as DaBomb said, we're not robots, we're humans, and there aren't that many people who review. When another reviewer comes along with other remarks and concerns, that doesn't make them any less valid, nor does the fact that they weren't brought up in previous FLCs. I know that you feel that your recent FLCs have come under so much scrutiny, but I think that's a good thing (I'm always far happier when my nominations get a thorough going over, knowing they are as near to perfect as possible). Yes, a lot of issues that were brought up at his latter FLC nominations were not mentioned at his earlier ones. I don't believe that means they don't apply though. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI: This should be of interest. I am the initiator of the FLC in question but due to being overwhelmed with school Rlevse was helping out since he has authored most of the lists like this for the FT which it seems won't be nominated now. -MBK004 02:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully he will decide otherwise. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Degrassi: The Next Generation (Specials)
This one isn't actually a fork. Someone constructed the episode list to transclude articles of all the different seasons. I think merging them so it meets the rules of not transcluding in articlespace is a better solution than deletion. Could you please revisit the debate now you know it's not a fork. - Mgm|(talk) 11:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That someone is me. I created the season pages and wrote the episode list. There is nothing to merge them to -- the information is already given at at least 3 other places. It's still a fork; I won't be changing my mind. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, nevermind.. It appears to have been merged already. Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!
I saw your message here and wanted to pass on the same congratulations to you. Enjoy your day! Dabomb87 (talk) 21:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just missed it (UTC). Hope you had a good day!  Rambo's   Revenge   (How am I doing?)   00:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both. Right now it's only 6:49pm Pacific time, so I still have a few hours of celebrating left! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Please look
See User_talk:The_Rambling_Man <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 22:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

New FAC instructions
Should we ask Gimmetrow to do this with FLC too? See FCDW/FACRollout. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds like a good idea. If Scorp is happy, and other nominators like the idea of it, perhaps we can do it in May. (I think we should see how FAC handles it first!) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe
I guess I could again. It is just a chant used in wrestling when the wrestler known as Samoa Joe enters the arena. He tends to be stiff in his matches as if he will kill you. The phrase is even linked to Joe's bio.-- Will C ---  Joe's gonna kill you!!! ) 18:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * All you WP:PW people will know that, but the average reader (like me) won't. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Though I don't visit anything not related to WP:PW. I might nominate an article for FAC, GAN, or FLC, but they are all wrestling related when I do. But I'll remove it anyway.-- Will C ---  Joe's gonna kill you!!! ) 18:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)