User talk:MelanieN/archive 24

Don't Kill the Fun close review
Hello Melanie. Would you mind reviewing the NAC of the "Don't Kill the Fun" AfD? Wouldn't redirect be more appropriate, similar to your close here? Thanks. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 23:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, JJMC, and thanks for your note. Redirect might have been the best outcome, but only one person suggested it, and only at the last minute. They didn't even name the target they wanted it redirected to. So IMO the closer correctly interpreted the discussion as no consensus. Remember, closers are supposed to interpret the consensus and implement the result of the discussion - not to impose what they think would be a good idea. The other option would have been a third relisting, but third relistings are discouraged. Of course, there is nothing to prevent us from boldly redirecting it now! IMO that could be done without reopening the discussion. --MelanieN (talk) 00:07, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and redirected it to the artist. (The album was deleted at AfD.) The problem with redirecting it outside of AfD is that the will likely revert/recreate the article (as he has done for many articles that get deleted/redirected at AfD, most recently ). —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:19, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that's his privilege. If he does you may have to renominate it at AfD, this time recommending redirect. With a no-consensus close, there is no rule against an immediate renomination. BTW that template looks like a great addition to this kind of redirect - and could even be quoted in your nomination if you renominate. --MelanieN (talk) 13:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Melanie. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Request to review the article on AWK Solutions
Hello Melanie

It has been almost 3 months that the article for AWK Solutions was deleted from wikipedia. You then helped me to have the article copied in sandbox, so that it cane be improved and updated with notable references. although it took some time, but i think we do have some good references for this article. I have already updated a few refences and will add more in the day to come.

So i would request you to please review the article and let me know if i can now submit this in wikipedia. URL provided below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Startupindia/AWK_Solutions

--Startupindia (talk) 21:12, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Startupindia, and thanks for the note. I'm sorry, but the article is not ready for Wikipedia - not al all. The language is virtually identical to the version that was deleted as a result of the discussion at Articles for deletion/AWK Solutions. You have added a few references, but they are either directory listings or press releases. Please look again at WP:CORP. There has to be INDEPENDENT coverage of the company from RELIABLE sources like newspapers etc. Directories and press releases are not independent and do not help the company meet the requirements of WP:CORP. --MelanieN (talk) 23:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Libertarian Convention Results
As a consistent contributor to political topics I am curious as to your thoughts on including the Libertarian Convention results by state for Template:Libertarian Party presidential primaries, 2016 and re-ordering the candidates based on these results. Being that the delegate votes at the convention ultimately decide the winner of the Libertarian primary I believe they should be the results displayed in the template (or at least alongside the votes from the previous state primary ballots which give the official popular vote). I have begun a discussion on the template talk page and would like to have a few users involved in the discussion to come to a good consensus instead of a consensus based on the opinions of only two users (myself being one of them). Appreciate any feedback and if you respond here please give me a ping. Acidskater (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I really don't have an opinion. Thanks for doing this though. --MelanieN (talk) 23:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Trump University
I generally tend to bend over backward to educate new editors, but in this case it's a waste of time and effort to get this IP to cooperate. They're spinning out of control and simply not listening. Moreover although they're already at 4RR the edit warring boards will accomplish nothing since they're using dynamic IP addresses. The simple solution is RPP, which would probably be inevitable anyway due to the recent high level of disruption by other IPs. I requested temporary semi-protection. Cheers. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:40, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Trump
I got blocked for a freaking week for removing contested BLP material from that article that still has not been restored. And it won't be. We're not pushing bullshit into the article. Don't care if you're an admin that hates Trump. Get in line. Doc  talk  06:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no idea who blocked you or why. And you are not very good at explaining what you are talking about. After some research, it appears you are probably talking about this addition, which you reverted. Let's take it to the talk page - and let's stay civil, shall we? --MelanieN (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think you get what a "firm consensus" is on an article under ARBCOM sanctions. 2 people commented for, and I commented against. 2 days passed, then your "decision". Are you confident that a firm consensus was established before you added that? Please explain how.

I'm sorry if I come off as uncivil - I know you're a good admin and have had good interactions with you in the past. I'm not even a Trump fan, really: but I see how his stuff is being treated differently. It's against the very nature of a "neutral" encyclopedia and it should not be happening. Doc  talk  05:58, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll reply at the article talk page. Let's keep the conversation in one place, please. --MelanieN (talk) 06:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Restored copy Sargon of Akkad (YouTube)
Hello, could you restore a copy of this article in my userspace? Thanks. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 08:20, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, here it is: User:Mark Schierbecker/Sargon of Akkad (YouTube). Good luck with it. --MelanieN (talk) 13:59, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Judge Curiel
Just for the record, I am not the one who inserted the part of the Gonzales column about speaking fees for the Clintons. That firm was appointed before trump announced his presidential campaign, and I agree it's generally a good idea to avoid guilt by association stuff. So, I will not object at this time to your removal. We'll see if anyone else does, such as the person who inserted it. Thanks, and I just wanted to make it clear that I am 100% innocent, not guilty, and didn't do it.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I never thought (or suggested) it was you. On the contrary, you seem to bend over backward to be fair and impartial, and to respect consensus. --MelanieN (talk) 03:43, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Melanie, I appreciate that.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Melanie, WP:Blockquote says quotes of 40 words or more should be blockquoted. I have no objection if you'd like to cut some of the quote so it is less than 40 words. Maybe paraphrase the rest.Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. The last sentence was clearer as a paraphrase anyhow. --MelanieN (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BTW, we now Wlink twice to NCLR.  Per MOS:QUOTE, "As much as possible, avoid linking from within quotes, which may clutter the quotation, violate the principle of leaving quotations unchanged, and mislead or confuse the reader."Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding this edit of yours, I was not aware that any discussion anywhere at Wikipedia had concluded that the boycott information should be completely absent from every article at Wikipedia.I have long observed an increasing tendency at Wikipedia for political articles to degenerate into one-sided propaganda based upon the political views of a majority of editors, and then that slant is maintained by sanctions against any editor who has sought NPOV. But maybe you were already well aware of all this.Anythingyouwant (talk) 13:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's discuss it at the talk page. And please WP:AGF and refrain from attributing people's edits to your assumption about their motives. --MelanieN (talk) 13:36, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You know exactly what I think of this, so there's no need for me to repeat it elsewhere, and then be accused of being overly-argumentative.Anythingyouwant (talk) 13:42, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Aaron B. Del Mar recreated as Aaron Del Mar
I don't know what was in the deleted article, but I imagine they were very similar. Can you tell if this is G4?  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  23:05, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Becky, and thanks for the note. It is actually very different from the previous article and so is not eligible for G4. However, it is not an improvement; in fact it contains far LESS material than the previous article and fewer references, and does not really make any claim of notability. I think it may be eligible for A7, if that's allowed after an AfD (I haven't encountered this situation before). The alternative would be another AfD. Feel free to quote me. --MelanieN (talk) 23:41, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Sebastian Solano
Hi Melanie, I wonder if you wouldn't mind moving the deleted Sebastian Solano info to a draft for me? I'd like to reuse somem of the research on other toipcs. Thanks! Earflaps (talk) 12:35, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, Earflaps. Here it is: User:Earflaps/Sebastian Solano. However, I would advise against launching it as an article again. Since it has been AfD-deleted twice, a third creation is likely to be not only deleted but salted. --MelanieN (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I only meant to redirect the deleted page to Committee Entertainment, and maybe add a few more sentences there as a summary. Thanks a bunch! Earflaps (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Borsoka has once again added his edits
User:Borsoka has taken advantage of the protection of the article to enforce his POV and has again added his edits here. Also please note that my edits were well-sourced with highly reliable sources. Both John Man and Peter W. Edbury are reliable scholars that I've added for my edits. Please revert Borsoka's edits as he is breaking the rules to enforce his ill-informed POV. 117.241.118.76 (talk) 21:54, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The place to work these issues out is at the talk page. And the deciding factor at the talk page is consensus. I see there is a prolonged argument (I wouldn't call it a discussion) at the talk page. And I see that you do not appear to have consensus on your side. If you are sure you are right and they are both wrong, you could take it to WP:Dispute resolution. But you'll need much better arguments that what I see there. --MelanieN (talk) 22:28, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read and understand what Consenus is. It's not a process to enforce what remains and what doesn't by matter of agreement and votee of number of individuals, Wikipedia is not a democracy, it's an effort to include legitimate concerns of all editors. 117.241.118.76 (talk) 22:47, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Question re: deletion
Per your recent deletion of Articles for deletion/2017–18 UEFA Women's Champions League, should the same be done for 2017–18 UEFA Champions League and 2017–18 UEFA Europa League? Hmlarson (talk) 23:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, Hmlarson, and thanks for your note. I have no opinion on that; it would depend on the results of an AfD. As administrator I don't personally judge the worthiness of the page; I just evaluate and enforce the consensus at discussion. The discussants at another AfD might or might not come up with the same consensus as they did at this one. --MelanieN (talk) 01:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Per your recent deletion of the "pussy grabs back" meme on the trump page Trump, (old version permalink): doesn't the current events exclusion allow for primary sources until trusted secondary sources arise? I was reffing primary sources. Use_of_primary_sources_in_Wikipedia Still getting the hang of editing but I really thought I was in the clear! --Fightclubber (talk) 00:09, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Request for feedback
Hi, there. You and I have differed concerning edits on an article a couple of years ago, but I respect your opinion. Could you take a look at my edits this evening of the Turner/Doe case and let me know what you think? My feeling is that some editors are trying to retry the case by mischaracterizing the evidence presented in court. I hope my objections and modifications are within Wikipedia guidelines. Activist (talk) 03:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the minor tweaks you made - to make it clear that this is him talking and not a fact - I don't see anything controversial about them. I was puzzled by your edit summary Remove contentions that the jury did not believe and witnesses contradicted - See talk. Did you mean to actually remove some material? Or just to clarify that it was according to him? --MelanieN (talk) 03:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant that the contentions were solely Turner's, and should not be put on a par, remedied I hoped, via the language I tweaked, with the physical and witness evidence and the jury's conclusions. Thanks. Activist (talk) 09:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * But you might want to tweak your latest addition, about the Swedish graduate students. The way you have it now - "Turner was arrested on January 18, 2015, after police arrived and encountered him pinned by two Swedish graduate students, Carl-Fredrik Arndt (sitting atop his legs) and Peter Lars Jonsson (tripping him and holding his arms). Two others, Beau Barnett and Nicholas Sinclair, then aided Arndt and Jonsson." - seems to muddle the time frame. The sentence starts out describing what police found when they arrived, but "tripping him" and "then aided" are describing the earlier actions by the grad students - rather than describing the scene when police arrived. Thoughts? --MelanieN (talk) 12:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, much! I'll fix it. Activist (talk) 16:37, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Upon rereading, it needed substantial tweaking and corrections. I think it will work better now. Regarding the DDA's trial statement at the end of the retitled "Incident Details" section: Do you think it should be located below, above the D.A.'s post-sentencing statement? Activist (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for deleting that redundant sentence fragment. As I tried to clean up the section and post changes, I ran into edit conflicts that had me exhaustively redoing it, and I left it in while rushing to finish before I encountered still another. You may agree that when many editors are somewhat contemporaneously involved in a complex story, the changes can get confusing and disjointed as the article grows organically. Activist (talk) 05:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Totally agree. That kind of situation can be really frustrating. All you can do is make small edits one at a time, and hit "save" quickly before someone else beats you to it. And things get by you. Happens all the time. For that matter, I gave up trying to follow the history, who-did-what, and just looked at the final result. --MelanieN (talk) 16:38, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

There is a discussion
Thanks for your input on the Ed Catmull article. I actually did more than say "go to the talk page". . It's a continuation of an earlier discussion of the material. Also, biased, contentious material in a BLP is one of the few enumerated exceptions to the 3RR. I'd consider saying that the subject "violated the Sherman Act" and that he'd done other unlawful things is quite possibly biased. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:39, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I missed that; your recent comment isn't date stamped so it appears to be part of the 2014 discussion. You may very well be right about this entry, and I guess you could take it to the BLP board - but your best bet would probably be to find some other person to help you with the reverting. BTW I gave a much more severe warning to the other party, and if he resumes it could be grounds for a block. --MelanieN (talk) 03:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, I appreciate the input on it. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * One other thought: I took a closer look at the disputed entry. If it was neutrally written - just to say that he gave a deposition in that case - it could be acceptable. But I noticed another problem: the material is copied verbatim from the source, including the parts that are NOT in quotes. If they add it again it could be removed as copyvio, as well as questionable from a BLP standpoint. --MelanieN (talk) 14:18, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Good to know regarding the copyvio. I'm not too convinced on the inclusion, even if neutral. I just feel that since he wasn't personally sued or there wasn't a court finding that he did anything wrong, including it is really not the way to go. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Kai, Canadian Singer
Hello, I work for the management of Kai (Alessia De Gasperis Brigante), the Canadian singer. Can you please tell me why you would delete her wikipedia page? She is a well known singer with a song on the radio and has just signed with Warner Brothers in the USA. So a Wiki page for her is something essential? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magusmusic (talk • contribs) 17:57, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Melanie, I got a message about this as well. I've pinged you on my talk page about it, and I'd love to get your opinion about a possible restore to Draft: space. See the thread User talk:C.Fred. —C.Fred (talk) 18:43, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Ivory Hours softdelete
I would like to have the page re-instated in order to add additional information to the band's page. They meet criteria #1, #4, and #9 on the music notability list, including the following links which I offer as additional sources to the ones that were already on the page: newswire, Tour info, New Years concert with Canadian band Sloan, CBC Radio 2 Top 20 Write up about CMW, and This Review (if it counts)Admittedly the band is still new to mainstream Canadian music, and they are an independent band, but that shouldn't limit their presence on Wikipedia and I know with time more sources/information will become available to add to the page. Bananarama10101 (talk) 00:58, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I have restored it, and I placed a note on the talk page to prevent speedy deletion as WP:G4. Good luck with the article. --MelanieN (talk) 14:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

A random musing on your wit and wisdom section
If 16.5 feet in the Twilight Zone is a Rod Serling, and half of a large intestine is a 1 semicolon, what is the exchange rate of a pound of Rod Serling (aka the pound Serling) and a full colon? MSJapan (talk) 21:10, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll be franc: I never had a particular yen to find out. --MelanieN (talk) 21:21, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Removal at Donald Trump Presidential Campaign 2016
First, thank you for your input in the Talk for this article. Second, I wanted to clarify this edit where you removed some content as unsourced in the article. I see the following sentence in the Huff Post article that's cited: "They are fed up with politicians." Wouldn't this support the statement?CFredkin (talk) 00:08, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I took out the sentence where HuffPost focused on just one explanation for why business owners feel the way they do - "fed up with politicians" - out of four or five explanations that are given in the lengthy article (including Obamacare, immigration, etc.). It would take a paragraph to explain the "why" based on that HuffPost article. And in any case the important thing in that article is the fact that business owners are his second-biggest donors. The "why" isn't needed. Do we say "why they do it" for every fact we cite? --MelanieN (talk) 00:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * In the next paragraph, we say why the business leaders cited are endorsing Clinton. Similarly, it seems fair to explain why small businesses support Trump.CFredkin (talk) 00:40, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Something like "they are fed up with politicians and opposed to Obamacare and immigration"? We could source that from the article. There might have been some other reasons that I missed. --MelanieN (talk) 05:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That seems like a reasonable summary. Thanks.CFredkin (talk) 15:23, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I ATTACKED NO ONE
I'M TIRED OF WIKIPEDIA EDITORS TELLING ME I HAVE ATTACKED OTHER EDITORS. I DID NOT.

I told an editor he made a mistake. Is that an attack? Grow a backbone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.228.159 (talk) 23:28, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 23:36, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Here's a summary of wikipedia:
 * 1) People say I attack. I didn't
 * 2) I say, I didn't attack, WTF.
 * 3) You say, see, there's your attack!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.228.159 (talk) 00:19, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Funny thing is, most people don't EVER get told they are attacking, or told to stop it. Does it seem like there might be something different about the way you post, since people keep telling you that? --MelanieN (talk) 00:44, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

You people just don't like to be told when you are wrong. Are you done yet? I'd love, just once, for a wikipedia editor to say they are wrong. Good god. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.228.159 (talk) 13:36, 29 June 2016 (UTC)