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Fort Yellowstone Canteen
I've uploaded an image of the Fort Yellowstone Canteen that I took in 2007, that's a little better-exposed than the one you've got. I took a look through other images of that trip and don't see any others that would be of use - there was a bull elk with a harem right in front of the big barracks that day, and I've got pictures of him attacking trees and a truck behind the visitor center, so it wasn't a day for strolling around and shooting more buildings.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:44, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice image!--MONGO 01:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've also adjusted the exposures for the NCO quarters, the cavalry barracks  and the chapel . You'll probably need to reload the pages so the images show correctly since you've got them cached in the original state. They're not the best of images, especially the chapel, so improvements were limited, but at least they're not conspicuously dark.   Acroterion   (talk)   02:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. All improvements welcome. BTW, do you have any images of the Fort Yellowstone Cemetery? --Mike Cline (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I'm afraid not.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:36, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Congrats...
...on Fort Yellowstone being awarded GA status. Thanks for all your hard work on this article! Hchc2009 (talk) 19:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Very good work Mike! Its definitely a Good Article....MONGO 05:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Let me now when you want to advance the article to Featured Level...its nearly ready for that as it stands and better to not wait too long..I'd suggest if you wanted to nominate it there, do it in the next 90 days.--MONGO 04:31, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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Like I'm supposed to know the difference between Elk and Deer
;) Doh.  --DHeyward (talk) 05:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work here
I noticed you added a view to WP:RFC/AF. Thanks for that! It led me to your user page, where I was a little awestruck at the number of articles you've created here. Quite an impressive list. :-)

One of the challenges I've been grappling with in my head regarding article feedback is how to handle articles such as bitch or faggot or cunt. There are AbuseFilter rules in place to prevent posts that contain specific "foul" words (e.g., Special:AbuseFilter/460). If this feedback tool is deployed to all articles, I wonder how these articles will be handled. It seems like it would be nearly impossible to leave a comment given the current filters. Any thoughts you have on this would be appreciated. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:12, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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AAF film of Berlin July 1945
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Watchlist, pretty please?
Mike, can you watchlist Hotel Baxter? Apparently someone at MSU (who sounds like they seriously need a life, IMHO) is pissed that they relit the historic sign (which I clearly remember as operational into the 1970s at least) and an anon IP is adding undue weight about it being "controversial" and "light pollution." (I will not rant and grumble -- too much -- about how I managed just fine in spite of the much closer red lights that used to be on the top of the old MSU boiler stacks when I used to go to astronomy labs on top of the physics building back in the 80s. Like there aren't any bright lights downtown... OK, I'm ranting. Seeing the story about that roof light getting rehabbed made me very happy, reminded me of good days of youth!)  Montanabw (talk) 18:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for George Selwyn Marryat
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Mail
Sent you email.--MONGO 21:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Threat?
In the AN about me, you characterized these words of mine as not only being a "threat", but also "not an idle threat":


 * Note to the closer: If you are about to close this discussion as "no consensus", I urge you to review the sordid history of the debate over the title of the main article, and to not make the same mistake that multiple closers made there year after year - ignoring the strength of the arguments supporting a move, and instead essentially counting !votes, and closing such discussions as "no consensus". That happened at least 7 times over at least 8 years, before logic and reason finally prevailed. Don't let that happen here. Please.

This is imploring, at most. But there is no threat here, certainly not explicit, and I assure none is implied. I don't understand why my words are so commonly misunderstood like this.

It's true I have questioned the actions of admins a few times in all my years (probably less than once per year on average), but you're not trying to discourage such occasional questioning are you? Are admins really "threatened" by the possibility of having to explain their decisions once in while on their talk pages, or other forums?

Any insights you may share with me about this, I would greatly appreciate. --Born2cycle (talk) 18:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Just thought of a real-world example of what I'm trying to say. Say you own a beachfront vacation home, and, one day, when you're there, there's a knock on the door.  It's your neighbor.  He informs that he just heard a warning about a tsunami coming in the next 30-40 minutes.  He says, "you guys better get out of the house, or else...".  Would you consider that a threat?  My point is that informing someone about a possible or likely consequence of their action or inaction, when that consequence is not something the informer is going to do, is not a threat.  And that's the kind of thing I intended to convey in my note to the closer.  Does that make sense?  So that's why I'm bothered by you (and potentially others) seeing it as a threat.  Thanks for listening.   --Born2cycle (talk) 23:04, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * B2C: Re the beach house example. Of course that is not a threat, but it is equally irrelevant to this.  In the RM I quoted you were clearly saying that any closers decision that you did not agree with (it was very clear what you wanted) would be a mistake.  Although you didn’t specify any consequences for that mistake, you suffer from previous actions where you clearly tell people directly their decisions are bad, illogical and big mistakes.  And you’ve taken actions in the past to reverse or cancel decisions you disagree with.  Threats in many cases are perception rather that reality, but threats never the less. With your history and your own admission that you don’t understand why people misunderstand you, you must take great care in how you challenge positions that you don’t agree with. There is sentiment within a portion of the editor corps against you on this.  No one wants to silence you in discussions when you have a position to offer, but many want to silence you when you refuse to just listen to the positions of others.  I disagree with a great many positions put forth in WP discussions, but I don’t tell the holders of those positions they are wrong and why each and every time they comment.  --Mike Cline (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. "With your history and your own admission that you don’t understand why people misunderstand you, you must take great care in how you challenge positions that you don’t agree with", is particularly helpful. But it's important to me that you personally, because I have great respect for you, please assume good faith on my part, particularly with regard to interpreting anything I've ever said, or will ever say, as a threat.  I assure you up and down and every which way possible, that is never, ever my intent.  One more example.  At Talk:Yogurt (when it was still Talk:Yoghurt) I repeatedly warned that the issue would not be resolved until the page was moved.  This was often taken as a threat that I personally would continue to engage until the title was moved, but that's not what I meant at all.  What I meant (and thought I was perfectly clear about) was that others would continue to raise the issue, because there were good reasons based in policy to raise the issue, until the page was moved.  And, after it was moved, no one would raise the issue again, because there would be no good reason based in policy to raise it.  And I was right about that (14 months since the move and not one hint of the issue that was so controversial for eight years).  So, I feel I already do take great care in how I challenge positions, perhaps not as well as you, but I do try. But I think often there is an element of perhaps subconscious misinterpretation at play here, when people who disagree choose to interpret my words as being combative (e.g., seeing a threat rather than the warning that it is) when they are not.  One more example... I've written an essay at WP:Stonewalling.  One of my perennial adversaries has nominated it for deletion.  Luckily, it appears it's going to be saved thanks to objective evaluators.  I have a hard time believing that this essay would have been nominated for deletion if it had been written by anyone other than me.  I suggest that nomination demonstrates the kind of unfair bias against me and anything I say or do that is often at play when some people who disagree with me interpret my words.  I cannot, and should not, be blamed for that.    --Born2cycle (talk) 20:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * One might say that if my words or actions are regularly subject to unfair bias, that I bear some responsibility for creating that bias. Perhaps. But what if it comes from me simply being a passionate advocate for certain positions related to internal WP politics?  Is it not reminiscent of the kind of unfair bias and animosity experienced by those in the real world who are passionate advocates for certain real-world political positions?   Do we want to inhibit such passion?  Is it fair to allow politics to color our decision about who to sanction and about how much?  I mean, almost everyone supporting some kind of sanction against me at that AN has a history of expressing animosity towards me, during some debate.  Is that fair?  --Born2cycle (talk) 23:15, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Is that fair?
--Mike Cline (talk) 23:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I was getting at in my last post. But how apt is that when politics are involved? I mean, the cook can avoid cooking, and the guest will never be unhappy.  Similarly, I could avoid political discussion, and no one will ever disagree with me.  It's theoretically possible for a cook to always make his guests happy, but I don't think anyone involved in any kind of politics will never encounter those who disagree, and who treat him unfairly and with animosity.  --Born2cycle (talk) 23:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

help needed re Yellowstone
Your advice s needed regarding this proposed edit. thanks Rjensen (talk) 17:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * great job! thanks Rjensen (talk) 08:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for List of books about philosophy
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Libon RM
Hi Mike, I really don't want to sound critical, because I'm very appreciative whenever admins work on the RM backlog, but I think you might have gone through the one at Libon too quickly. See the discussion at Libon (poet). The identification of Libon as a poet on the dab seems to have been an error; there's only evidence that he was an architect. I know only IIO and I were involved in that discussion, but it seems unlikely you would've found evidence to the contrary without mentioning it. I'm almost positive the nominator didn't have a vested interest in seeing Libon moved to Libon (poet) specifically; he had just created Libon (service) and wanted more efficient navigation.

I could move Libon (poet) to Libon (architect) myself, but that would leave a misleading redirect. Would you mind doing that? Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ I trust I got it right --Mike Cline (talk) 16:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Looks good. --BDD (talk) 17:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

RM for Douglas-fir
Thanks, Mike, for closing the discussion at Talk:Douglas-fir. I am trying to fathom your intent, however. The discussion of the requested move evolved into a two page move, as described at Talk:Douglas-fir. The consensus seems to be around moving Pseudotsuga menziesii to Douglas fir, although there is still some debate over whether to have a hyphen or not. Did you intend for the latter discussion to continue? Did you want me to renew its listing at WP:RM? (I was unable to list the double-page move due to technical limitations in RMCD Bot). Let me know. —hike395 (talk) 16:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * My intent was to make the first obvious move only. I think another RM to address the secondary moves suggested would be in order. It is sometimes very difficult to actually decipher what the concensus really is when a number of alternative additional moves are suggested.  Make it clean and start an RM on the Pseudotsuga menziesii to Douglas fir move. --Mike Cline (talk) 16:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Got it, thanks! —hike395 (talk) 16:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

trot
Mike, with five support votes and only one oppose vote on Trot (horse gait), why did you close it as "not moved?" Montanabw (talk) 23:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Probably got distracted. I'll revert and fix in the morning. --Mike Cline (talk) 00:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought it was a good call.  There were actually two opposes (Zarcadia and yours truly), and the supports seemed to be unaware of Zarcadia's finding about the surprisingly high popularity of the view counts at Trot (music). Most supports cited PRIMARYTOPIC, but failed to explain why.  They seemed to just assume that's what people would be seeking.  That said, a fuller explanation does seem to be in order.  --B2C 00:51, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I am going to stay with my close as when I looked at this in detail this morning, B2C actually reminded me as to why I made the Not Moved decision. There are really two opposes and the weight of evidence that the proposed title is the Primary Topic is not strong. --Mike Cline (talk) 14:14, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Mike, when you have a WP:SNOW situation, it seems inappropriate to let two people who argue only the WP views of one alternative article on an obscure topic rule the day. The post by Zarcadia was only a comment, not a vote. The rest of us just considered this such a blatently obvious request that it seemed ridiculous to respond to every argument made by B2C, who really is only looking at WP page views (probably coming off of the dab page viewers saying "gee, what's that?) and has zero other evidence.  Google show us this, trot horse is 105,000,000 trot music is 26,900,000 and multiple dictonaries all put the horse gait first and formost, not mentioning the Korean music at all; examples:, .  So take another look and don't let a tendentious and bogus argument sway your usual excellent judgement.    Montanabw (talk) 20:35, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Mike, thanks for your reversal. Much appreciated.   Montanabw (talk) 00:49, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Catalogue of CSS classes [sic]
Hi.

I was wondering why you closed Wikipedia talk:Catalogue of CSS classes after so little debate? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Andy, I closed the RM because there had not been any discussion in 10 days and its unlikely there would be more. However, if you wish me to relist, I will do so. --Mike Cline (talk) 14:08, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If you would, please - I'll then post notices on relevant pages. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:47, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Optical telecommunications
Hi Mike Cline, you provided a decision on the proposed move of Optical telecommunication to Optical communication, and appear to have left the remark " Moved to Optical communication, reverting undiscussed move". This appears to contradict the entire section above this discussion at Propose move to new article title: Optical telecommunication on the same page. The proposal to move to Optical telecommunications stayed open for 10 days before it was carried out with no objections. How did that come to be interpreted as an 'undiscussed move'? Best: HarryZilber (talk) 12:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Not to quibble but clarification would be appreciated, where you remarked 'unfortunately the prior discussion you cite did not reflect concensus to move', your comment seems to contradict the history of the move. It was proposed with a valid reason and in a ten day period no one raised objections/concerns with the move or its rational. It appeared that all those who watch the Talk page had notice.  Is your objection based on the lack of a Move template then? HarryZilber (talk) 14:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Air Force
Col - what did you do while you were in San Antonio?--v/r - TP 00:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Civil Engineers, Lackland AFB, Sept 68 - Apr 70 Mike Cline (talk) 01:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well that was way before I was even born. I've spent my entire enlistment in this city so far.  6 1/2 years at Randolph and just broke 2 years at Fort Sam.  I wouldn't be surprised if I go to Lackland next, either.  No money = no-cost PCAs.--v/r - TP 14:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Chandra Levy
You relisted the discussion, so I wonder if you can improve the consensus by voting and your comments to support your vote. --George Ho (talk) 08:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Theatre District, New York
Hi, Mike. Would you please review your decision at Theater District, New York? It has long been the consensus at WP:THEATRE and WP:MUSICALS to spell the word "theatre", because theatre professionals prefer this spelling throughout the English-speaking world, and because this spelling it is not wrong anywhere, while "theater" is wrong in many places,such as the UK. BTW, I am an American from New York City. Note that nearly all of the Broadway theatres are called "X Theatre". As you can see from the discussion, one editor has been battling for a long time to name this page against that consensus, and I believe that an investigation would show canvassing. Meanwhile, he did not alert the Theatre or Musical theatre WikiProjects of the discussion, and those of us who write intensively about theatre, including New York theatre, should have been notified. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:19, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I cannot find in myself to question your closing decision. I would just request that it be re-opened if at all possible so that editors with an interest may weigh in. For this reason I don't want to use a move review myself even if I kinda support it.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks as well! Happy editing!--Amadscientist (talk) 20:51, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Just an FYI that I quoted your response here, to the above request that you review your close of the move request.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for MacDonald Pass
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 * Terrific article! - Tim1965 (talk) 00:20, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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MSU Library new user
Hi Mike, Bonnie (McMormor) told me to let you know I am a new user helping her create content and links to Library digital materials. I am working on some of the Hormay content.

I will let you know if I need help or have any questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BessHAMr (talk • contribs) 16:23, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Fort Yellowstone FAC
Hello Mike...I think Fort Yellowstone is ready for Featured Article Candidate nomination. From my perspective, the only section that might need a little prose help is the last one "Legacy"...I'd incorporate a reminder of the buildings and eliminate a little of the repetition. Aside from that, I think its ready for you to nominate it.--MONGO 11:27, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Though I was born there, I'm only going to be doing copyediting on the Montana article as you and PumpkinSky are taking the lead there and the article has the best chance of reaching FA if fewer main editors are working on it...if you want, I can send Fort Yellowstone to FAC for you and list you as the primary author (which means you will get credited for the promotion if that matters to you), but whatever you wish, just let me know.--MONGO 16:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Mongo, that will be fine. I have been multi-tasking so much lately that I forgot about this.  Once at FAC, I am sure I'll get the opportunity to participate although credit for doing so isn't big deal with me. Thanks --Mike Cline (talk) 16:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay...we'll shoot for sometime later this week...I'll send you a link then. It will probably be at FAC 30-90 days anyway.--MONGO 20:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello
I like that Archimedes essay. I was wondering why you have not weighed in at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(people).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:05, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Montana to GA, then FA
Mike, would you be interested in helping to get the MT article to GA then FA? Pumpkin Sky  talk  21:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Improper page renames
I stumbled across this edit and this action as well. Together the edits are essentially renaming the article as opposed to properly "moving" it. I'm fairly certain this is the wrong way to go about it because the edit histories and previous talk page get lost, but I'm not sure how to go about fixing it and dealing with responsible editor. It appears that User:CaTi0604 has done this more than once now. Whatever you can do or suggest, thanks. -- Racer X11 Talk to me Stalk me  21:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like a pretty straight forward cut and paste type move. Can't assess the motivation, but I suspect the editor just doesn't understand the right process.  I will engage and explain. --Mike Cline (talk) 16:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

RV on MT
Mike, what is this about? I brought up the ref format at least twice on the talk page, which you've read, and I said I planned to use sfn for everything and you never said one word. Now you go around rv'ing me with no explanation? What's going on. If this is what this effort will be like, I'm out. Pumpkin Sky  talk  22:39, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * sorry inadvertant rollback on the ipad that i did'nt catch. --Mike Cline (talk) 23:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, Tpbradbury has already made edits so it can't simply be reverted back. Pumpkin Sky  talk  23:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Chill people, I'll see if I can fix this.  Montanabw (talk) 17:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Mike, give me another 20 min or so, I will have everything back in place with the sfn templates too. Just trying to reconcile two sets of edits. Stay tuned, I should have all your stuff back in shortly!    Montanabw (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll go plant some lettuce or something. --Mike Cline (talk) 17:55, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * HeeHee! I'm done now.  Basically, I restored the sfn templates that Psky did, but I THINK I kept all your additions as you put them in (we can do sfn on the rest of the stuff later, I too tend to do inline sources as I go, but I also recognize the elegance of sfn formatting, even though more difficult to do as one is writing).  The only change I made was to put the tributaries of the Yellowstone AFTER the tributaries of the Missouri (as, after all, the Yellowstone itself, technically is also a tributary of the Missouri)  I planted my lettuce three weeks ago (OK, in the greenhouse, but still... )   Montanabw (talk) 18:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Lettuce? That's a vegetable, right? Montanas aren't supposed to eat rabbit food. There are 5 food groups recognized by Montanans...steak, potato, eggs, beer and Rocky Mountain Oysters.--MONGO 19:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Not here in Bozangeles. Lettuce is all the rage among the Southern California transplants and Hollywood types. --Mike Cline (talk) 19:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Trout can be substituted for eggs. The 8-month-wonders aren't Montanans...those that don't winter there except to see how much money they can spend at a ski resort are exempt. There is also San Fran-Kalispell.--MONGO 20:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Because of all the transplants in the Bozeman area, MT needs to move its southern border northward. HAHA. MTBW- thanks for fixing things. Pumpkin Sky   talk  20:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Potatoes ARE a vegetable! Kalispell is a republican hotbed, Mongo!  But we do acknowledge the People's Republic of Missoula!  Hahahaaha!  Now, let's all organize that jackalope hunt!   Montanabw (talk) 17:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Potatoes are a starch...so the jury is out on that, and its not a favorite amongst rabbits or jackalopes. Kalispell conservative? More like extremely Libertarian. After you get north of Polson, it is a different state, quite dissimilar from the other regions, both in appearance and attitudes.--MONGO 13:43, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Potatoes ARE a vegetable, and until destroyed by being rendered into french fries and potato chips, or buried in butter, sour cream and bacon, are actually quite nutritious! (noogies).  But as far as the Flathead, I'll agree with "different", as evidenced by my favorite blog: the Flathead beacon Police blotter! As Dave Barry might say, they simply can't make up this stuff! But it's a Republican hotbed and as for "Libertarian" we sort of have our own special breed, in ever, so very many ways! It's probably unique due to the combination of conservativism, scenery, and immense amounts of out of state wealth in excess of that is seen in the other scenic-and-growing parts of the state; though the Bitterroot has similar trends; and Bozeman, which used to be moderately liberal (at least in town), is heading the same direction, sad to say.  =;-O  !!!   Montanabw (talk) 17:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I say they aint and I'm MONGO, so thats the end of the discussion. Otherwise you'll have to wrestle over it.--MONGO 02:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, we all know that WP:LAST wins any debate! LOL!   Montanabw (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Two Clarks Fork
Mike, in the MT article, currently refs 26 and 39, there are two Clarks Fork, each with a different web page and seem to be different rivers the article is talking about. Can you double check that the right ref goes with the right river fork? Pls post here if correct or not and what I need to do to fix it, if applicable. Thank you. Pumpkin Sky  talk  22:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I got the two references correct. The Clark Fork River is the western river, a tributary of the Columbia.  The Clark's Fork of the Yellowstone is the eastern river. --Mike Cline (talk) 23:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. I wasn't sure. Pumpkin Sky   talk  23:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep, two of them. Also two Boulder Rivers, if we ever get to that point.   Montanabw (talk) 23:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

About to go live
Hi Mike...as a heads up, per our earlier discussions...Featured article candidates/Fort Yellowstone/archive1...--MONGO 16:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Mike...can you take a look at the article and let me know if you're seeing any whitespace or image crowding issues on your system...several editors are saying they have this issue on their systems, but I can't see it.--MONGO 16:01, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Mike...left a couple comments about some things at my talk for you.--MONGO 19:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Congrats on promotion of Fort Yellowstone to Featured Article
Mike...this was a new experience for me. I'm usually in the role of primary researcher and article builder when I'm trying to get an article to featured level. I always had others double check my work, the references and prose and the issues to ensure the manual of style is correct. This time I got to be the "fine-tuner"...a new experience for me. The article fills an important gap in understanding conservation issues as well as side notes of U.S. military history not known by many. Nice job.--MONGO 19:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice work, guys!  Montanabw (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

EC
We're having edit conflicts, I'll fix yours, sit tight for about 20 min... then I'll be gone. Montanabw (talk) 20:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Sandbox invite
Seeing as how you like to create new articles, I'm incubating one on Norma Ashby here. I'm Ok if you want to trot over and muck around with it a bit. I'd be glad to share a DYK credit with anyone who helps! The sandbox is always kind of a mess... Montanabw (talk) 21:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Fort Yellowstone
Congrats on the FA! Pumpkin Sky  talk  00:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Hyphens
Noticed that two articles were moved to new titles with hyphens...List of Grand Teton National Park-related articles and List of Glacier National Park (U.S.)-related article. You could probably care less whether they have a hyphen or not...but looking at the guideline on this, I'm wondering if the hyphen is needed.--MONGO 15:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not Mike, but personally I favor killing hyphens (kill! kill! kill! Hee hee!) But this one is a gray area and I also don't have the energy for an edit war over hyphens, so good luck and let me know who shall help you eat the bread.  Montanabw (talk) 18:00, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If "Park" weren't part of the proper name of the entity, then I would think the hyphen should be used...but this just doesn't look right.--MONGO 20:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * From an MOS standpoint it appears the hyphens are correct. However, I do agree that it looks odd.  There, however is an alternative.  Many similar articles are named like List of articles related to Grand Teton National Park. [topic]-related articles becomes articles related to [topic].  A bold move could correct them and it would be defensible. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Do all lists have to have the word List in the title? Is there a MOS that says that a list is only a list if that word is in the title? Cause I created Canyons of the Teton Range which is a list for all basic purposes, but doesn't have the word list in the title. As far as "BOLD"...not I, least not anymore.--MONGO 13:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Depends on who you ask, what guideline you want to follow or what wikignome has an axe to grind on the day. Guidelines on this are pretty equivocal with no hard and fast rule.  That said, the majority of Lists do use the List of ... convention with the exception of some of the lists with special names like Discography, Bibliography, etc.--Mike Cline (talk) 15:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Gotcha...well I'm not fond of the hyphens in the titles, but not touching a retitle since it will cause further redirect issues.--MONGO 16:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, where "List" is sort of implied in what is basically an annotated list, you can get away with avoiding it, as I did for Stock horse.  Montanabw (talk) 21:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Alger Hiss
I'm sorry if you haven't been paying close attention, but the precise reason why I am reverting is because the content dispute is unresolved and making zero progress. I made the last comments, and the other user refuses to respond. Locking to his preferred version is most unhelpful. If you would examine the talk page in question, you would find that the other user simply gives evasive answers to the points I am making, going so far as to say he won't answer my questions unless I accept his version of "compromise" first. As the dispute resolution is thus already exhausted (a request for comment has already been filed and largely ignored) I'm not sure what you want me to do. CJK (talk) 13:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)