User talk:Mike Cline/Archive 3

Thank you
Hello Mike,

Thank you for your kind words about Whoa Nellie Deli. I noticed your interest in Yellowstone. When you have a moment, I would appreciate your assessment of Harry Yount, which I rewrote and expanded recently. Cullen328 (talk) 17:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:Food and drink
Thanks for adding the new subpage, but it really should go under the WP:Foodservice page which is about commercial and retail food establishments and topics. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Jeremy, move made --Mike Cline (talk) 19:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Wong Kim Ark GA review
Hi. Thanks for the feedback on United States v. Wong Kim Ark. I'll work on these things and get back to you soon so you can have another look. It shouldn't be terribly hard to improve the article along the lines you described. Rich wales (talk · contribs) 00:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I've rephrased the opening sentence in the lede to mention jus soli. I almost slipped up and equated jus soli with "birthright" citizenship, but this would have been a mistake because the concept of birthright citizenship also encompasses jus sanguinis.  I also added a sentence in "Background" indicating that Wong initially prevailed in federal district court; I have the cite to that ruling because it's mentioned in the Supreme Court case, but I can't find district court cases of this vintage online. I might have a chance to stop by the Stanford Law School library this week (I work at Stanford) and look for it there, and if so, I should be able to add the year, the exact names of the litigants, and possibly also a quote or two. The work you suggested for "Subsequent developments" is going to be a bit more involved, but I can hopefully get a start on it tonight or tomorrow. Rich wales (talk · contribs) 01:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I found an online copy of the district court judgment (In re Wong Kim Ark) and have incorporated it into a reference in the article. So, no need to take a trip to the law library after all. :-) I'm going to continue to look for more secondary sources to put in the article.   Rich wales (talk · contribs) 05:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I added three more references based on a new (to me) secondary source — an 1898 article in the American Law Review. I think I'll take a break at this point and wait for a new round of feedback from you. Rich wales (talk · contribs) 05:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Bozeman, MT
Yeah, sorry. I'm new here and I'm still kinda timid on moving stuff around. I'll go through the section and see what I can move and what can go. Johnny Neutrino (talk) 01:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I'm putting the references I think should stay into a new arts and culture section, then I'll try to source them and find some new info. Johnny Neutrino (talk) 02:20, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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Sweetgrass Hills
Hi Mike, Greeting from Alberta. Hey...I was just looking at your reference for the paragraph starting: "The Sweet Grass Hills are an example of the island ranges". There is no mention of the Sweetgrass Hills in the reference, and the Sweetgrass Hills aren't on the map of the refered-to page. I.e, the hills aren't located in the Central Ranges Region that is being discussed in the reference. And there's nothing that alludes to the fact that the hills "are biological hotspots, containing more species than the prairie below". So, we really can't use this as a reference. If there is going to be extrapolation to the Sweetgrass Hills, this must be made clear in any reference provided. Do you have another reference that backs this up? Cheers. BC talk to me  19:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Good points. Actually I didn't write the text, but I know who did and we'll get some sourcing for it. My gut says it wasn't made up. --Mike Cline (talk) 19:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh. I restored the island ranges bit and they aren't "buttes" (Buttes are flat topped, and usually sit out by themselves. These really are "hills").    In each case, we probably need to cite to definitions, not a lot of sources that explain the obvious. As for the rest, I won't speak to the biological hotspot issue, if it can't be sourced, then I guess it's out.  I restored the trivia because it's fun, but if it's cut again, I won't whine about it.  ;-)   Montanabw (talk) 23:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Just a heads up
I'm not sure if you meant to add yourself here, but edits like this shouldn't be done unless there has been interaction between the two users. If you were going to add yourself and made a mistake, go ahead and correct it but the one where I placed myself is one that I have volunteered to mentor. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:08, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

File:TallapoosaRiverHorseshoeBend.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:TallapoosaRiverHorseshoeBend.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. MGA73 (talk) 23:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

GA nomination for Bozeman, Montana
Hello. This is just a courtesy notice to let you know that unfortunately, I have not been able to pass this article for GA status today. Please take my comments at the nomination page on board and feel free to renominate the article when you feel it is ready. Thanks,  Arctic   Night  00:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lester S. Willson
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Hi Mike, I am from the NAS class at MSU, just wondering how to find the page that the graduate students made a list for possible projects to research and edit? Thanks! Starryright (talk) 19:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)Starryright

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DYK review, Dent Island Light
Hi there. Thanks for reviewing Template talk:Did you know. I've added a second article and suggested some new hooks. Would you be so kind to review it again? Best regards, and thanks in advance. --Muhandes (talk) 17:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just letting you know that I also added an image and corrected some errors, and I would appreciate your review. If you don't have the time I would appreciate it if you could let me know so I can ask someone else to review it. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 08:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess you were busy. Someone else did it and the article went to the prep area, so help is no longer needed. Thanks for the original review. --Muhandes (talk) 07:27, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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McMormor (talk) 16:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Raheem Sterling
Although you closed Articles for deletion/Raheem Sterling as delete, and the article has been repeatedly re-created and redeleted since, I have just now "been bold" and restored the lot. Please see User talk:Ponyo if interested. -- Hoary (talk) 03:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello again Mike, I'm from the NAS class at MSU and was still needing my sandbox for my page. Thanks, Starryright (talk) 19:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)Starryright

Greetings Mike
This is my first attempt on writing on a personal talk page. I hope I have not stepped on someone else's dialogue. I am writing because I am not sure how to format my sandbox for my first article. (By the way, thank you for setting that up.) I am right now getting the bibliography together but I am not sure the actual official format. If you don't mind looking it over when you have a chance to let me know what I am doing incorrectly or correctly I would appreciate. I also will try to attempt to add to another article but would also like to contribute some of the resources. Much oblige kuluppisKuluppis (talk) 21:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frederic M. Halford
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Copyright concern
Hi, Mike. There's a problem with Montana Stream Access Law that we need to resolve. We've received an OTRS complaint (2011022610009463) about the article, indicating that it takes commentary from. Archives substantiate that it was published there in 2002, so it well predates us. Certainly, there are substantial similarities between that site and the content in the article. For instance, at creation, the article said:

The external site said:

The only differences here are the changing of "you can" to "anyone" and the removal of "(these restrictions".

There are other examples of direct content duplication and close paraphrasing. The content has been blanked pending resolution of the question. While the legal code is public domain, of course, the commentary is not. Are you able to verify license for this material? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * MRG - I suspect as this was one of my early WP efforts, that my paraphrasing was not up to standard. I concur with deleting the offending material.  As there is ample coverage of this topic in many sources, I'll reconstruct as needed.  Thanks for your diligence.  If there is any thing specific I must do, let me know. --Mike Cline (talk) 23:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will delete the content unless the copyright holder can be persuaded to license it; there is some suggestion that he may be open to this. It would be a good idea, I would think, for you to take a look at some of the other contribs you made early in your WP career in case some of them have issues that need to be addressed. As this one demonstrates in smaller degree, copyrighted content can be remarkably stable; while sometimes passages are overwritten in the ordinary editing process, I've seen passages copied into Wikipedia as far back as 2004 that have remained without substantial alteration. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:26, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Frederic M. Halford
"Skues's" is the correct spelling in British English, provided that an extra s sound is pronounced, and I should certainly do that in this case: please see Apostrophe. Moonraker2 (talk) 05:11, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha, I've come here to make that very point but I see that Moonraker2 has beaten me to it. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 13:12, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not one to step on British English, but interestingly enough these two examples, both from British authors, both from British published books on Fly fishing dispute Skues's as the proper english:
 * "...which questioned Skues' somewhat partisan quoting of Halford" - The Fly, Andrew Herd, Medlar Press, page 353
 * "In the years after Halford's death Skues' work made slow progress." F.M. Halford and the Dry Fly Revolution, Tony Hayter, Robert Hale London, page 234.

--Mike Cline (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed. It's a murky area, but I believe the consensus is as Moonraker2 says. To cite another example, British English usually uses single inverted commas (and double inverted commas within them) for reported speech etc, but the Guardian newspaper uses singles within doubles (it also refuses to italicise book titles, amongst its many peculiarities of style and punctuation). One change that I've made to the Skues page that might interest you: Winchester is a school and pupils ('men', as they're ambitiously called) don't graduate from it. Ericoides (talk) 14:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * * Thanks. Such is the beauty of collaboration. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind that I have amended the George Selwyn Marryat article, even though it is in draft form at the moment. Ericoides (talk) 09:11, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Frederic M. Halford
The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

addition to de Kooning article
I posted the 1939 world's fair bit to the de Kooning article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by McMormor (talk • contribs) 16:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Dry-Fly Fishing in Theory and Practice
Hi Mike, thanks for the note. I've had a brief look; three main things I've changed (and these crop up quite a bit in your articles). 1. Whenever dry fly (or similar) is used as an adjectival phrase before a noun, eg dry-fly fishing or dry-fly tactics, it needs a hyphen (otherwise one might assume that the fly fishing is dry, rather than the fly). See the title page of Halford's book that you uploaded (Halford-Title Page Dry Fly Fishing 1902.JPG). Of course when used as a noun in its own right, as in "the tactics of dry fly", no hyphen is needed. 2. G.E.M. Skues and similar names with initials should always be G. E. M. Skues etc, eg with spaces after the initials. 3. Where appropriate, en-rules should be used rather than hyphens. Some fascinating articles you've created here; makes me nostalgic for the Itchen, in which I spent a fair part of my childhood surreptitiously swimming... I'll have to pop along there one day to see how it fares these days. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Dry-Fly Fishing in Theory and Practice
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This is emerson and this is a test --Emerson bc (talk) 20:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)Emerson_bc

Hello
Hello and thank you very much : ).

You have said, "I am not sure that any lengthy content about religion (any religion) would be appropriate for an article like Yellowstone.".

Why not?! I think there isn't any rule in WP against such a thing. It is very informative section for any reader. It is important for any reader about Yellowstone to know what religions or cultures say about it. I supported that section by 1 reliable source at least, for anyone wants to know what Islam says about Yellowstone by supporting it with Qur'an. And Qur'an is a reliable source in WP about the view of Islam on any subject, ether it is geographical subject or something else. So, I hope you will help WP by bringing that section back and protecting it against any vandalism if you can do so. Or you may talk to someone who can. I am waiting for your help for WP. Have a nice day. : ) Lkmen (talk) 15:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Appy Mags
Hey Mike, do you know if those Appaloosa Journals at MSU have an index? I'm guessing not, but sometimes every few years a magazine would do that sort of thing, back in the pre-internet days. It's not a huge deal, but there is one photo from a book and I'm sort of wondering if it might have been reprinted in the magazine, there was a museum exhibit that might have had a story run on it... Montanabw (talk) 05:04, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Meeting request
Hi Mike. I was wondering if I could set up a time to meet with you so I can get some help putting my article on the main page. I work or have class during the office hours, so I was hoping I could set up an appointment on Friday. I get off work at 2:00, so anytime after that would work great. Let me know if you will be around Friday and if that works. If not, let me know when you will be around so we can set up a different time. Thanks. Wikiwriter24 (talk) 15:34, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

2:30 at City Brew sounds great. I will send confirmation on Thursday. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwriter24 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mike, Thank you for your input! I am working with another classmate on this article, we are going to combine ours into one. She has the Template already done so that's why mine is left somewhat in shambles at the moment.

Jackiewickens (talk) 17:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Meeting Confirmation
Hi Mike. I am just confirming our meeting tomorrow at 2:30 at City Brew. Thanks again for meeting with me. Wikiwriter24 (talk) 15:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Question
I just wanted to let you know that a bot removed the picture you sent me. Also, I put my updated sections on the National Indian Youth Council page, and the mission statement under the goal section is not formatting right and I can't figure out how to fix it. If you could tell me how to do that I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Thank you for fixing that. Wikiwriter24 (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Sir
Can you move this One Day (Charice song) to One Day (song)...Pls. help me..Halil marx07 (talk) 13:08, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 22 April 2011
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Hi Mike
I realized that I need to do a 'did you know' and I will with my own article but I also need to do for a class assignment. Will you help me get to that posting? I want to put in a did you know for the Endangered Language Fund. Did you know that if you are an individual scholar or tribal member you can get funding for studying and/or researching endangered languages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuluppis (talk • contribs) 20:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Mike
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Firehole Village
Have you run across any sources naming the proposed location for Firehole Village? I've seen it placed near the Lower Basin, Midway Basin and Mallard Lake, which covers a lot of territory. There appears to have been a site selected, and I assume it was within a mile of the Grand Loop Road, but I find no unambiguous description.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I am on the road, so I don't have access to the books, but you might check:
 * Both these books talked alot about Mission 66. Additionally, if we can locate the official Mission 66 plans, its probably in there. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Both these books talked alot about Mission 66. Additionally, if we can locate the official Mission 66 plans, its probably in there. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Both these books talked alot about Mission 66. Additionally, if we can locate the official Mission 66 plans, its probably in there. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll see if I can find them at a library without having to resort to Amazon. On another subject, I've done a short article on Grassy Lake Dam. Since it's only 100 yards from the park and is the outcome of proposals to build dams in the park, it might have a place in List of Yellowstone National Park related articles, but there's no obvious category for it, and I'm leery of expanding the scope too much. Along the lines of the Grassy Lake article, I'm meditating an article on the whole series of water-use proposals in the park (or maybe a summary article tying together Yellowstone/Jackson Lake/Hetch Hetchy/Echo Park/Grand Canyon/Glen Canyon), but that may prove too ambitious), but that may not happen for a while.   Acroterion   (talk)   13:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Help with moving article from Sandbox
Hi there Mike. I am in need of help on moving my article from my sandbox to the main space on Wikipedia. I cannot figure out how to do this and am desperate for help! Thank you for your time and assistance :) Tanishadk (talk) 04:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Help with NAS 426 Wiki Edit
Dear Mike, Please give me directions on how to move my edited article from my sandbox to the page. If you look at the history of the page: United States v. Sandoval, you will see many edits I tried to make. I an attempting to edit just the background section, but everytime I try to do this it replaces the entire article (I had a heart attack the first time I tried) fortunately I figured out how to put the original back. Now I just need to get my edited version up. Please help me! Thank you. Lisa.wallen (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)Lisa.wallenLisa.wallen (talk)

moving students work for them
Hi Mike!

I notice that you've been moving student work from sandboxes into live articles for them. Note that such contributions don't show up in the leaderboard and related statistics, which we're using to try to understand how much student are contributing to Wikipedia. (It's also a slight issue with attribution, since the author of that content doesn't show up in the article's history.) Would it be too much trouble to have the students do that in the future? Thanks, and as always, keep up the good work!--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sage, agree fully. Tough however when students are up against finals and begging for help. The topic will definitely come up with Professor Ruppel when we have our debrief this month.  Next term will see some fundamental changes in the way the Professor, the ambassadors and the students interact. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. Let me know next time you come out my way, BTW! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

William F. Raynolds
Mike...much thanks for adding more info to the Raynolds article...he is even more interesting as I discover more everyday...a highly reliable source claims...''During the Mexican-American War in 1848, Raynolds and a few of his fellow soldiers are credited for being the first to climb to the summit of Pico de Orizaba which at 18,491 feet (5,636 m), is the tallest mountain in Mexico. This feat may have been the American altitude record for the following 50 years.''--MONGO 04:14, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Native American Languages Act of 1990
Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

The Fairest
Hi, I went there after asking at WP:TITLE and found you'd moved it already. Coincidence? Tony  (talk)  07:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * i watch WP titles, so it just seemed like making the move was the right thing to do.Mike Cline (talk) 09:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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Eastern Montana
On the former page for Eastern Montana, it says that the article was deleted, and merged into the Montana article, per discussion. Yet, I cannot find any discussion on the Eastern Montana deletion log, and I cannot find anything on the division of Montana into eastern and western regions on the Montana page.--161.7.78.203 (talk) 18:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Eastern Montana had no useful content to merge. All the so-called regions including Western Montana were unsourced and could not be sourced because as entities, they don't exist.  Any division of the state into regions as was done, would be purely arbitrary, thus they were deleted without objection.  Western Montana has been retained for the time until its content is merged.  Unfortunately, most of the content is about Missoula, not a region.  Overall, the idea of a regional breakup of Montana is now covered in Regional designations of Montana.  Hope this explains what has been undertaken. --Mike Cline (talk) 19:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I concur with Mike's assessment. There is, I think, discussion across multiple talk pages.  The basic problem is that there is no official definition of where "eastern" Montana begins, particularly when many  of us who live east of the divide still consider ourselves part of "western" Montana and people who live in waaayyy eastern Montana sometimes even dispute Billings as really being in "eastern Montana," while at least one political candidate may have lost an election after calling Havre "eastern" Montana. Absent a formal definition, we are kind of helpless.  Montanabw (talk) 19:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Thought you may be interested to know that Eastern Montana has been recreated. Monty 845  17:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice work!
Thanks Mike....for the Mammals of Grand Teton National Park...kudos.--MONGO 00:35, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you help
Mike, please see User_talk:Montanabw thanks. BarkingMoon (talk) 19:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)