User talk:Moonraker/Archive 12

Quentin Edwards
Thanks for your corrections and I should have noted the conflict, yes, he was my father! I just thought a photo from our family album would improve the article.

On another matter - I have just written and submitted my first article entitled: the Highgate Literary and Scientific Institution, (an historic local charity I'm involved with) - the article is in awaiting review, but if you can spare a moment to look at it I would appreciate your comments.

Simon Edwards Esq (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2021 (UTC)Simon Edwards EsqSimon Edwards Esq (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Highgate Literary & Scientific Institution
Thanks for your excellent advice re citations, which I have now added to the draft. I would like to make this article live, but now that I have submitted it for review is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 17:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Again, many thanks for your kind advice and formatting. I have added citations as you suggest. The list of lecturers was provided to me by the HLSI archivist and Lecture Committee member, Hilary Laurie, from annual programmes in the HLSI Archives.

I guess I now have to wait weeks, or months, for approval before it goes live - I'll let you know when that happens as I would love it to have a chance to feature on the "Did you know" column of the main page and/or Wikipedia: Notability — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 12:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

National varieties of English
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In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 15:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Dear me. I created the article and wrote it in Oxford spelling, which is ultra-English and which I am sure you have never heard of. Moonraker (talk) 02:27, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Highgate Literary and Scientific Institution
Thanks again for the advice - now live as per your suggestion (on Move I changed the name and on the left drop down menu changed it to Article).

One last question: I would like it to be searchable under HLSI as well as its full name - how do I do that? - or perhaps you could add it and I'll see how it is done.

Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 15:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

HLSI and Harry Chester
Thanks so much for all your help. You've inspired me to write more articles! Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 15:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it, ! It can be great fun here, away from the heavily trodden paths. Please feel free to drop in on me when you need any help or anything unravelled. Moonraker (talk) 02:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Epsom College in Malaysia
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HLSI
Yes, extraordinary, as you predicted. I was expecting to be told off for putting the article up without moderation, but it seems he didn't bother to compare the two identical pieces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 10:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

John Atcheler
Thanks for the nomination and the additions. Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 14:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Pelican Portrait
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DYK for John Atcheler
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DYK for Ekkehard von Kuenssberg
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Cromwell House
Good suggestion, I know the building well and was shown round it last year. I'll write an article this week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 10:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Cromwell House
Done.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 19:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, yes happy for you to edit as you wish. I'm sure it needs it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 21:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination. Best wishes, Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 09:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Hervey (landowner)
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DYK for Richard Platt (brewer)
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DYK nomination of Cromwell House
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DYK for Leslie Rowan
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Congratulations
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DYK for Stephan Westmann
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Cromwell House
Quite the reverse, I'm grateful for edits. I've quoted the Survey of London in other articles - what's the issue if it is properly attributed?

My view is that writing an article is just giving birth, from then on it takes on a life of its own. Taking of which, I did some minor edits this morning on the later uses of the building paragraph as I'm working on a Mothercraft Training Society article who owned it for a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 14:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest and addition, as ever.

I don't know why, but I had it in my head that the annex was named after the Queen Mother (who opened it) not after the current Queen, but of course you are right, in 1930 the Queen Mother was a Duchess (not a princess) and the four year old current Queen was Princess Elizabeth, so your 1929 photo addition is very appropriate. Perhaps the answer for a hook could be simply to change the caption on the photo to reflect that the building was probably one of the earliest (of many) to be named after Queen Elizabeth II - especially as she was then a child who nobody realistically thought would be Queen (who would have imagined that Edward VIII would have abdicated?).

If we wanted to add another relevant photo, one of the Queen Mother around 1930 would be a possibility. The closest on her page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_The_Queen_Mother#/media/File:Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon_(cropped).jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 09:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

"List of massacres in the United Kingdom" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Mothercraft Training Society
Though at I only have one source to confirm the Queen Mother opened the Centre, I have no doubt it is corrent. She had been a patron for several years, had recently given birth to her second child and this was a very fashionable cause for women of the day to be involved with - plus its only a 30 minute Daimler drive from Buckingham Palace. The paper archive of the Society is only half a mile up the road from me and when it reopens I will check all the facts there.

I think the hook should explain that Princess Elizabeth of York is now the current Queen, so perhaps

..that in 1930 the new infant-care Centre of the Mothercraft Training Society was named after Princess Elizabeth of York (pictured), now known as Queen Elizabeth II. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 10:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, I’ll use that. Moonraker (talk) 21:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 10:16, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Begum v Home Secretary
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Congratulations
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DYK for Epsom College in Malaysia
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Highgate Cemetery
Thanks, I'm fortunate to be a guide at Highgate Cemetery which is full of forgotten Londoners who led extraordinary lives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 14:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mothercraft Training Society
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DYK for Cromwell House
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DYK for Nicola Formby
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Cromwell House
Thanks for the kind words on Victor Kullberg and for letting me know about yesterday's did you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 18:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Jane Lunnon
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Mothercraft Training Society
Moonraker you are a star, many thanks! BTW I wish I knew how to reply on the discussion page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 20:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Tommy Turtle
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DYK for Mothercraft Training Society
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Thomas Frederick Cooper (s)
Thanks for the suggestion, I will look that up. This biography was a bit thin, but I felt he deserved an article.

I'm tempted to write another article about William John Belt - a Victorian barrister who had a couple of hilarious run-ins with the police in 1873 and 1879. The problem is there doesn't seem to be anything more noteworthy about his life (apart from a grand tomb in Highgate Cemetery, of course).

Simon

Belt
Thanks for your encouragement and ideas. I've only been searching with basic Google and the Mormons. Google Books is a revelation and I really think it is time I wasn't such a cheapskate, so I'm subscribing to Find my Past which will give me full Newspaper Archive access (including the excellent St James's Gazette), then I'll crack on with Belt - I'll try an be more sympathetic about his drinking!

This could be one for DYK - I came across an old 1980's interview with an Englishman born in west Hampstead called Seymour Wyse. In the early 1940's he and Jack Kerouac became friends in their late teens in NY and he took Kerouac to the bob clubs and introduced him to jazz. Kerouac visited him in London after the war and put him several of his books as a character called "Lionel Smart". I have added it to Kerouac's page, but I don't think anyone has picked it up.

William Belt
Finally written! Furnival (talk) 21:18, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

DYK for James Edward Rogers
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Nomination of Hurst Lodge School for deletion
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DYK for Nathalie Lieven
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Thanks
Thanks, Moonraker! You're a gentleman and a scholar! Much appreciated.

Fritwell Manor
- Morning Moonraker, hope you, and Wire, are keeping well. Do either of you happen to know if there is an Oxfordshire Project similar to your Wiltshire one? I'm looking for a photo of Fritwell Manor. It should be relatively easy, as the manor faces the public highway, but neither Commons nor Geograph has any. KJP1 (talk) 10:21, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Morning,, I can’t trace an Oxfordshire project. There’s one for the University of Oxford, you could try posting there to see if there is someone who drives out that way. On Pinterest I see there is a Taunt & Co. postcard of the house said to be “c. 1916” which should be safe to upload. A few other images might be worth checking out, including this one from 1910. Moonraker (talk) 11:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. I shall take a look. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

today
See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Masters of foxhounds has been nominated for deletion
Category:Masters of foxhounds has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the good natured discussion about this category in CFD with me; as usual I wish more people would participate there to help reach a consensus. I'm pinging you here because I mentioned both in a reply and in my original nomination that the header for the category said that these Masters originally owned the hounds. The category header still says that based on your edit. You replied that I was misrepresenting the category header: "The header says nothing about typically owning the hounds".
 * Would you mind editing your last comment to make it clear that while, maybe I'm misunderstanding or misapplying the category header from your perspective, I'm not misrepresenting the contents? - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:20, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Let’s not say misrepresenting! The thing is,, there is a big difference between originally and typically. Originally is about the early centuries of the sport, but typically would be ongoing. Moonraker (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

June songs
some flowers and music for you, - you were around when I created my first article, and we enjoyed new music now --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Paulo Tarso Flecha de Lima
died today, https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/morre-aos-88-anos-embaixador-paulo-tarso-flecha-de-lima

I don't know english

please update

Bozs (talk) 23:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you, . Moonraker (talk) 23:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Bozs (talk) 23:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:John Maple (furniture maker)
Thanks for your comment. I'm a bit perplexed by how someone is treating this article. John Maple was the founder of what became the IKEA of it's day - a huge manufacturing and retail furniture business. In 1900 most households would have had one or more pieces of Maple's furniture. It is true that his son massively expanded the business from the original premises, but my brief article outlines how the business was created and about its creator. the article had been up for a while when one day if you typed in John Maple (furniture maker) it took you to Maple & Co. with no explanation, as if the John Maple (furniture maker) page didn't exist - this was done without informing me which I thought was pretty odd. I could only access the original article by going back over my creation history. I reinstated it, and now it has been taken down again with no specific reason other than non-specifed sources are inadequate. I constantly see articles with only one or two iffy references which have been up for years. Furnival (talk) 10:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, Furnival. Someone is being high-handed, you do have a right to a formal process for arguing about the notability point, with notice to you first, but if I were you I should take it on the nose for now. Your only substantial independent reliable source (see WP:N) is BIFMO, and your text can be accused of Copyright infringement in using that. If you stand on your rights I see you losing. If you want to rescue the article, you will need to re-work the text to the point that the Earwig tool will not find too much the same in BIFMO’s text and yours. The first thing is to learn the painful lesson that you can be pushed around for not complying with the policies here! It is annoying, but it does have a rational basis. Moonraker (talk) 13:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * PS, you are right, of course, the way it is all policed is very hit and miss. The articles about women tend to be left alone, because the PC brigade is aware that there is such a huge gender imbalance. It’s rare for an article about a pop star to be challenged, but certain other occupations are more likely to be a target of deletionism. I am having a problem with a category I created, Category:Masters of foxhounds, see here. Moonraker (talk) 13:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Moonraker, I'm indebted to you for your sage advice, as ever, which I shall follow. I agree that the possible deletion of your category Masters of Foxhounds is absolutely baffling and must be PC gone mad. Can I suggest you follow your dictum that popstars are left alone by adding Bryan Ferry to your fine category: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/otis-ferry-fails-pay-thousands-promised-after-civil-assault-two-women-even-after-bailiffs-allegedly-visit-house-a102211.html Furnival (talk) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of The Flying Dutchman (2000 film) for deletion
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DYK nomination of Thomas Lord Busby
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DYK for Neville Armstrong
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DYK for Charles Spearman Armstrong
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DYK for Mairin Mitchell
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Mairin Mitchell
I absolutely do object; the fact her family was Irish is irrelevant. If she was described and/or self-identified as "Irish" then describe her as "Irish author", but 'Anglo-Irish' is not appropriate. GiantSnowman 17:09, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It’s really tricky,, simply “Irish” seems to me as misleading as simply “English” or “British”. And the distinctions developed in her lifetime. As a matter of fact, she could not have taken up Irish citizenship until 1935, when it was offered to those with Irish fathers born overseas. In 1941, she called herself “a British citizen of Irish parentage”, but in fact there were no British citizens, we were British subjects. Also, that “Irish parentage” meant one Irish parent, who was Anglo-Irish; the other was English. None of this stopped her from calling herself “an Irishwoman”. I should say she was culturally Irish but British in the eyes of the law. Would you mind saying what your particular objections are to Anglo-Irish? Failing that, I guess a more complicated explanation will be needed in the lead. Moonraker (talk) 18:08, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The lede is for nationality, not religion or ethicity/social group, which is what Anglo-Irish is. GiantSnowman 22:12, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But it all depends on what you think a nation is, and how that fits in with ethnicity, . Mitchell was born in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, as in 1895 almost everyone in both Britain and Ireland had been. That didn’t make them all “British”, because people who were “Irish”, or “Anglo-Irish”, or “Welsh” were then all in sub-sets of British subjects. So far as we know, Mitchell remained legally British but (like many others) called herself Irish. I still see little objection to Anglo-Irish, but if you object so strongly perhaps the best we can do is to say in the lead that she was “British and Irish”. Moonraker (talk) 23:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I would accept 'British-Irish' as a compromise. GiantSnowman 07:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We are getting somewhere. I have started a thread on the Talk page, Talk:Mairin Mitchell, you may want to add something there, . Moonraker (talk) 13:10, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Lord Busby
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Busby and Waters Screenshot
Thanks for noticing the ten year gap. I took the photo when I was Wikipedian in Residence (the first British and 3rd ever). I also found this screenshot which might amuse you. Dozens of articles were written in Russia for (the first?/2nd) multilingual editing contest and Billy Waters featured. Victuallers (talk) 14:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Stephen Borthwick (schoolmaster)


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DYK for Brian O'Neill (journalist)
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DYK for Leslie Daiken
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gut aufgehoben
I usually agree with your translations, but "aufgehoben" as "lifted up", sorry, doesn't work for me. (Deepl didn't fare better, though.) I don't know an exact term, sadly. "Ich bin [gut] aufgehoben" means something like "I am comfortable, protected, in good care, in good hands ...". Would you find something? "längst" isn't exactly "vor langer Zeit" (long ago) but what is it? "längst fertig" comes as "long since finished" by Deepl, that's what we took, but it's not a phrase I knew before. Always learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . My dictionaries are saying picked up, removed, lifted, repealed, annulled, voided, saved… but nothing about care. I guess you can infer that, but I don’t think it should be seen as the primary meaning? I wasn’t happy with my "by God" for bei Gott, perhaps better "with God"? For längst, the dictionaries have "long ago" first, and English definitely uses the simple past there, for a single momentary event. Moonraker (talk) 11:27, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The "gut" must surely add something, and we don’t have it here. Moonraker (talk) 11:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Thanks for considerationthe first meaning of "aufheben" is probably "pick up", a second "keep" ("store", "save"), a third "cancelled". They contradict each other, so you have to know context. Here, it's the keep-save meaning (im Kühlschrank länger aufheben = keep in the fridge for longer). "ich fühle mich bei dir aufgehoben" = "I feel in good hands with you" (Deepl), but I'm not sure we can use the same intimate "with" for God, the sender of that angel in the title. Sigh about the "long ago", - the meaning seems to be rather clearly "while you didn't notice, there was an angel sent long time ago", and that nuance doesn't show, at least for me.
 * (after ec) no, it's not the "gut", see fridge ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course, when speaking to God he (we often write it as He) is du and not Sie. Anyway,, it’s your new page, I shall leave it to you. Moonraker (talk) 12:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Benchball for deletion
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DYK for HMS Seringapatam (1819)
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 * theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, interesting. Not much of December gone yet, of course, but if that’s a high mumber I guess the hook fitted in with most of the world’s view of English, that may be the key to it! Moonraker (talk) 11:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Schoolmaster for deletion
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DYK for George Asprey
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Roehenstart
There is a further article "The lives of the granddaughter and great-grandson of Bonnie Prince Charlie: new evidence" by Marie-Louise Backhurst in Genealogists' Magazine, vol. 33, no. 11 (September 2021), pages 403-410, which in my view finally disposes of the Pininski claims.AnthonyCamp (talk) 11:36, 21 December 2021 (UTC).


 * Many thanks,, glad to see you taking an interest. I shall dig that out when I am back home and look forward to it. The obvious point, of course, is that even if Charlotte had been legitimated to the succession (which it’s clear she wasn’t), there was no Maximilian Roehenstart, nor anyone anywhere of that name apart from Charlotte’s children.


 * I have just ordered a copy of Pininski’s later book and look forward to seeing what he says in that.


 * Another page I have started here is John Ferdinand Smyth Stuart; I do have some sympathy for Charles Edward Roehenstart, but Smyth was surely a rogue! Moonraker (talk) 13:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC).
 * Thank you for your reply. I have been interested in Roehenstart and the identities of his sisters since Sherburn's (rather unsatisfactory) book appeared in 1960 and I have doubted Pininski's claims since their first appearance, so was glad to see the two articles by Marie-Louise Backhurst which demolish those claims. I have no problem with the basic Roehenstart claim but was worried about your identification of his first wife (their marriage has never been found) when all that Sherburn says (page 76) is 'The name is illegibly written, and is here guessed at [as Barbuonei]' When Roehenstart married again he did so as a bachelor, which may (or may not) be important.
 * I have no doubt that John Ferdinand Smyth Stuart was an habitual liar, who perhaps began his stories because he was said to resemble the Stuarts. The chronology of his two claimed descents is practically impossible and Anna Keay does not mention him in her excellent "The last royal rebel: the life and death of James, Duke of Monmouth" (2016). AnthonyCamp (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC) 17:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)