User talk:Mrluke485/Archive 1

March 2010
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Biographical article with no reference sources
Thanks for contributing new article Sayo Inaba‎. However, one of Wikipedia's core policies is that material must be verifiable, by being clearly attributed to reliable sources. Please help by adding more sources to the article you created, and/or by clarifying how the sources already given support the material (see here for how to do inline referencing). Many thanks! PS If you need any help, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia or ask at New contributors' help page, or just ask me. DAJF (talk) 03:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Wakey wakey!
Articles you've created that have been nominated for deletion: These are just the ones that people have come to your user talk page to tell you about, the notices for which I've condensed here.
 * Sayo Inaba
 * Erick Ray Evans
 * Mike Cooper (actor)
 * Alan Marshall (film producer)
 * Andrew Solt
 * Trevor Cooper
 * Denise Bryer
 * Douce the Bear
 * Michael Habeck
 * Darren Walsh (voice actor)
 * Douce the Bear
 * Michael Habeck
 * Darren Walsh (voice actor)

These are not automated messages, even though they give the appearance of being. These are actual human beings telling you that they have problems with what you are writing, and how you are writing it. You've been pointed to our Biographies of living persons and Verifiability policies, and to the Referencing for beginners, Notability, Notability (people) guidelines several times over. There's been no response from you, not even one edit to your talk page, nor any appreciable change in your editing. You haven't even corrected the errors that you are consistently making in using external links instead of internal links in your wikitext, that (as can be seen above) you were helpfully told about four months ago.

Consider this a wakeup call. Wakey wakey! Please change your editing habits so that you use the correct markup. And please create biographies of living persons properly, with biographical sources in hand and with those sources cited in the article as of their very first edits. At the moment, you are being a net drain to the project, as numerous other editors are having to scurry around tidying up after you, finding and checking sources, and in general devoting their time to address your writing, which apparently comprises in large part making biographies badly, something that Wikipedians are particularly concerned about. You're making a lot of people unhappy, and are wholly unresponsive to concerns, even simple ones like getting the wiki markup right. That won't lead anywhere good, I assure you from long experience. Because when it comes down to a discussion of whether you should be ejected from the project, which is where this road has eventually led for many before you, all of the unhappy people will remember how unhappy you've been making them, and (irrespective of how fair it might be) will support your ejection merely so that they can reclaim their time back from working to tidy up after you. You're working with other people, here, on a collaboratively written project. Remember that.

Uncle G (talk) 14:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Although it's good that you've finally responded to another editor, your reply to Uncle G's advice is disappointing. It comes across as rude, sarcastic and uncooperative. As Uncle G said, Wikipedia is a collaborative project. This means we expect all editors - no exceptions - to take notice of problems that are brought to their attention and respond in a polite, positive way. I can understand why you might be annoyed that your work keeps being removed, but you've had plenty of chances to change that by following up the links in the messages you've received, reading up on our editing policies and guidelines, and even asking for assistance.
 * Wikipedia is a private website and I'm afraid we can tell you what to do if your editing isn't in line with our core site policies. What we hope is that you will learn from this and change your approach to fit in with the way Wikipedia works, becoming a valuable member of our editing community. The alternative is that you carry on as you are, in which case it's likely that very soon an administrator will block your account. EyeSerene talk 17:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

ANI notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is In good faith but horrible in practice. Thank you.  Mauler90 talk 03:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Hi again. If you've looked at the discussion at the Administrators' notice board, you'll see the main concern is the inappropriate articles you keep creating. Most of us, especially when we were new, have done the same thing - the important thing is to learn from it and not keep repeating the same mistake.

One strategy you could try is to put together your article ideas somewhere more private first, like your user space. You could set yourself up a work space (or 'sandbox' as many editors call it), maybe at User:Mrluke485/sandbox, and use it to draft your articles. You could then ask other editors what they think and if they can suggest any improvements. This would allow you to get the article into decent shape before posting it into the main encyclopedia space (or mainspace). It would be much less likely to get deleted then. The only thing you'll have to worry about is that your article subjects are notable, which doesn't mean famous or important but means that they've had enough written about them by reliable sources so that you can write a properly sourced article. This is massively important for living people.

Hope this helps, EyeSerene talk 12:13, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Prism Leisure Corporation


The article Prism Leisure Corporation has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable organisation. No evidence it meets WP:ORG.

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Proposed deletion of Monarch (2000 film)


The article Monarch (2000 film) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable film. Fails WP:NFILM. No references and no assertions of notability.

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The article An Unearthly Child (pilot episode) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Most information is covered in An Unearthly Child, the rest is copied form the Tardis Index File. Most of the extra information cannot be sourced from reliable sources.

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Nomination of An Unearthly Child (pilot episode) for deletion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Witloof Bay


A tag has been placed on Witloof Bay requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject of the article is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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You may want to read the guidelines for specific types of articles: biographies, websites, bands, or companies. Lavalamp from Mars (talk) 10:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mark Caso


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Nomination of Mark Caso for deletion
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Hello Luke
Hello Luke

Thank you very much for your excellent updates. I'm really interested in spokespersons and commentators. By the way, are you the same Luke who was member of Network, a British eurofan club in the 1990's?

Kind regards

Carlos MS 23:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Curt-Eric Holmquist


The article Curt-Eric Holmquist has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

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Thanks, Luke
Hi Luke.

Thank you very much for your kind answer. In case some of the spokespersons or commentators names were wrong, don't hesitate correcting them.

Kind regards and all the best.

Carlos Carlos MS (talk) 20:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Commentators down
Hi again, Luke

I put the Belgian commentators down in this way: when Belgium sang in Dutch, first the Dutsch-speaking and later the French-speaking one, when they sang in French, however, I put them on the other way round.

Kind regards

Carlos MS (talk) 21:40, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Addition of content that is unsourced
Thank you for your contributions to Eurovision Song Contest articles. I have noticed that you are adding a lot of content to articles which is unsourced. Please review the Verifiability policy which requires that content that is challenged or is likely to be challenged be sourced to reliable sources. This is more important for content related to living people, such as your additions related to commentators and spokespersons; please read the Biographies of living persons policy, which applies to all articles, including Eurovision ones. Please be aware that content that is unsourced may be deleted without prior warming, particularly if it relates to living people. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 11:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 21:41, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Since you deleted a message off my talk page for no apparent reason, I have taken the liberty of restoring it and left a reply at User talk:CT Cooper. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 21:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello again
Hi Luke. I would only like to tell you that, if you want to contact me, here is my e-mail: carlosmstraductor@gmail.com Kind regards. Carlos MS (talk) 21:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:A-Ba-Ni-BiEurovision1978.jpg
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File source and copyright licensing problem with File:A-Ba-Ni-BiEurovision1978.jpg
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Award
For your recent efforts, I award you this barnstar:

Feel free to add this barnstar to your user page. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 17:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Dutch commentators 1991 and French commentator 1982
Hello. How do you know that Paul de Leeuw and Pim Jacobs commented the 1991 contest for Nederland 3? I've looked for that information in the "Leeuwarder Courant" and it appears nothing. BTW, how do you know that Pierre Tchernia was the French commentator for TF1? According to several sources, France didn't broadcast the contest.

Kind regards.

Carlos

PS: You may complete the jury member section if you know famous people who were part of the UK jury.

Carlos MS (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind answer, but in 1982 there was no commentator, according to this source: http://songcontest.free.fr/bdd/cec1982

Kind regards.

Carlos

Carlos MS (talk) 22:39, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

UK jury members
Hello again Luke.

Excuse me if I annoy you, but do you know any list with UK jury members until 1996?

Kind regards

Carlos

Carlos MS (talk) 22:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Portuguese commentators 1976, 1977 and 1981
Hello again, Luke.

I would like to know the names of the 1976, 1977 and 1981 Portuguese commentators, I suppose that in those three years it was Fialho Gouveia, but I don't know if this is true of false. Could you please confirm it with a realible source?

Kind regards

Carlos

Carlos MS (talk) 10:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

On Holiday
Hi guys, just to inform you all I'm now on Holiday from July 29-Augest 16. Feel free to leave messages on my talk page, or contact my mail account lukedavies4@gmail.com

Thanks

Luke Mrluke485 (talk) 07:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision update
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August 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2010, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 23:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Same applies to the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2009 commentators as well. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 23:23, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of André Vermeulen


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 * All biographies of living people created after March 18, 2010, must have references.

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Cyril Hanouna
Hi Mrluke485, I just thought I'd let you know that I saw your article Cyril Hanouna in the New Articles list-- I'm kind of new here myself but let me know if there is any way I can help. Thanks, Jipinghe (talk) 21:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jani Juntunen


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Alteration of Finnish Television details on various Eurovision articles
Hi Mrluke, I write with concern over the various alterations you are making with regards to Finnish Television broadcasting on a number of Eurovision Song Contest articles. It appears that the details are being sourced from a blog and not a reliable website, which is very vital per citing sources; verifiability; and identifying reliable sources. May I suggest that you find more reliable sources before continue altering the details, as a precaution. Thanks - Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse 17:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Even though you have obtained the information privately from a fan, it is going against no original research. Therefore the information cannot be used, sorry!  As a result, all those alteration may need to be reverted back, until reliable details can be found.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  17:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You could always check other reliable websites such as the national broadcaster itself, or Eurovision.tv. There is a list of reliable sources at the WP:ESC page.  We will need to revert all those changes you've made now, as they contain original research.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  17:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I have noticed that you've submitted a complaint against me at User_talk:CT_Cooper. It would have been polite to have also informed myself of this, nevertheless, I have posted a response in regards, and provided CT Cooper with full dialogue of our conversations regarding the original research emails that you used as "sourced information". Regards - <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse 17:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing
Please ensure that the content you add to articles is cited from sources which are a) published and b) reliable. Since e-mails are not published, and forums and blogs are not reliable, none of these should be used as sources. Remember that most of the content you are adding concerns living people where the rules are stricter and more strictly enforced, for example self-published material is blanket banned for material about living people. While I thank you for your efforts with content, please give priority to verifiability over completeness. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 19:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm sorry about earlier and I will now do my best to find reliable sources. I managed to find sources on the BBC Archives website, could I possibly ad that with the UK commentaters (who haven't been sourced yet). Mrluke485 · &#32;talk 09:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Using the BBC archives for British commentators would be perfect Mrluke; as the factual material from their archives are a) published and b) reliable; and thus avoids self-publishing. If you need further help with similar things like this, may I suggest that you contact either CT Cooper or myself at any time.  We are both happy to help you, and prevent further errors in the future.  Happy Editing! <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  14:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the help, Sorry about before. Anyway with further help, I was wondering do books count as published sources and would it be now possible if I can make the commentators tables for the pages on the participating countries look like how they look for the UK, Sweden and Spain in the Eurovision Song Contest page?
 * Thanks and Regards Mrluke485 · &#32;talk 20:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome, and no need for the apology, even though I gratefully appreciated it. We all can make mistakes from time to time, nobody is perfect - mistakes are part of living, and what helps us to improve our understanding of life.  Please, feel free to contact myself or CT Cooper though if every you have a doubt and/or question about anything.  It is better to seek understanding and get things right, rather than jump in feet first and face the possibility of being wrong.  Anyhow, with regards to your question; I am not 100% certain myself when it comes to books being used as a source; especially when we are dealing with information on living people.  A book is a solid item, and cannot easily be   tagged.  Leave this one with me for now, and I'll seek further advice, and get back to you as soon as I can.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  21:01, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've found some help pages about citing from books.
 * Identifying reliable sources
 * WP:SPS
 * WP:BLPSOURCES
 * Upon reading them, they don't seem to promote the idea of using books, especially when it concerns adding factual material about living people. As there is doubt, I'd say leave that information out, until we can find a reliable website that provides the same information.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  21:10, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've also found this . Looking at that, we can cite books, as long as we include details of the book being used.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  21:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

MrLuke, I have found a website that is reliable and contains details on commentators, spokespersons etc for all the Eurovision Contests. This should help you with your project of adding those details to articles. IMDb - Eurovision 1956-2012 Cast and Crew <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse 19:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, but just to be on the safe side several wikipedia users have critised imdb in the past, saying imdb is not clearly reliable as people can add infomation to it, on the other hand imdb is strict on people's births when they are added to imdb and that the character would be required a reliable source for their year of birth.
 * Regards Mrluke485 · &#32;talk 12:34, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I may have to disagree on the unreliability views about IMDb website. The information on there can only be edited by staff that work on the website.  The general public can create a profile, but only for the purpose of posting comments to the message boards.  The details on IMDb are also sourced within themselves, which is an indication that they take things seriously, and won't allow false information to be added - besides, some of the older ESC articles have IMDb reflinked for commentators too.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  17:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, mind if I ask what does it mean by citation needed, please
 * Regards Mrluke485 · &#32;talk 16:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * PS - I have found a german Archive website for Eurovision, could that be usefull for some of the German commentators.


 * A citation is the reference websites we use as sources. So if something says "citation needed" then it is a little self-explanatory really - a citation is required for that part to help verify the information.  What is the name of this German archive website you speak of?  I'd like to double-check it first, before you start using it as a source, just in case it isn't permitted.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  17:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, this is the website http://www.ecgermany.de/. Mrluke485 · &#32;talk 17:24, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That should be fine, as long as you're not using sections from their forum pages. Remember, if it looks like a forum, then avoid using it as a source.  <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse  17:28, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Easier way to add sourced reference links
Greetings Mrluke, I do hope you are well today. I came across a useful tool to use for adding sourced reference links easier and neater too. The page RefToolbar, provides more information on how it is used. I started to use the toolbar myself yesterday, and found it by far easier to add sources to articles. Have a look at the article and see what you think. <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse 18:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please be aware of Wikipedia's policy that biographical information about living persons must not include unsupported or inaccurate statements. Whenever you add possibly controversial statements about a living person to an article or any other Wikipedia page, as you did to Eurovision Song Contest 2011, you must include proper sources. If you don't know how to cite a source, you may want to read Referencing for beginners for guidelines. Thank you. The source you used was for a forum website, which as you have been notified once before, are not permitted to be used as a citation as per WP:USERG. <font color="DarkSlateBlue" face="Tahoma">Wesley <font color="OrangeRed">☀ <font color="SaddleBrown" face="Tahoma">Mouse 23:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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