User talk:Narky Blert/2014

Narky Blert, you are invited to the Teahouse!
Hey I wan ur help Gurukiranrai (talk) 06:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome!
Welcome to Wikipedia. Thanks for your contract bridge edits, especially creating the BBL article which is a very useful addition. There's a Wiki project for those of us interested in improving the coverage of bridge on Wikipedia, which you might like to consider joining. If you look at the associated Talk page of any bridge-related article you'll see links that will take you to the project's own page and the association discussion page. JH (talk page) 21:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Glossary of contract bridge terms
Welcome to WP:WPCB.

Template gcb provides convenient links to entries in the Glossary of contract bridge terms (many of which link articles that provide more information). Most bridge articles predate the template and don't use it; many of them and some newer ones should link more bridge terms than they do, which the template helps make convenient.

If the target ID matches the linkname that you hope to display, it's trivial: Otherwise you need to give the target ID and linkname as first and second parameters Usually the target ID is the glossary entry name without spaces or capital letters. It is defined by tag [span id="biddingsystem"], for example, in the glossary code.
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--P64 (talk) 19:08, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Some help, maybe
Hi. In effect these are responses to some of your edit summaries, all of which I scanned.

--P64 (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Terence Reese. Your first revision  is not minor. I might give the edit summary "identify team captain Swimer and WBF officer Zedtwitz; + tweaks". Your second ("Next edit") is minor, as you marked it; so is my followup, which I neglected to mark 'm'.
 * 2) British Bridge League (N=new). Well done. (If A E Manning-Foster gets a page, its name will include two spaces, "A. E. ", and the pagename that begins "A.E. " will redirect. That is, it should, and those changes will soon be made unless AEM-F flies under the radar.)
 * 3) List of bridge competitions and awards (m). I don't consider this minor in the 'm' sense. If you meet someone to ask for another opinion, do so. From your perspective, I suppose, I use 'm' for minor minor, when I remember to use it at all; I use the edit summary to indicate the major minor (eg, numerous minor fixes, add a few wikilinks, unify date formats, tweaks). If "The Lady Milne Trophy for Womens' Teams" is the official name of the event, I would probably give summary "use official name of event; + tweaks". (The Gold Cup bullet point now uses capitals unusually.)
 * 4) List of bridge magazines Query. I think that ([see] above) and ([see] below) are redundant here, and links would be distracting--useful only if the list were multiple screens in length. Use italics every time that another title from the list is mentioned, however. Readers should expect that bridge magazines are named in italics and that those named appear in this "list of bridge magazines". I might give the summary "expand some entries and order alphabetically". — subsequently revised by others, now once by me [continue interrupted session and extend it but continue the numbering].
 * 5) Articles for creation/Redirects. I see that another editor has promptly fulfilled your requests (What redirects to Scissors coup?). The general-and-shortcut redirect template Redr is effective now and I try to use it . I have revised the two new ones thus ({Redr|alt}), with edits summaries that may be helpful, and following the instruction "(please leave this line blank for emphasis and ease of reading by editors)". See eg.
 * 6) EBU (disambiguation). Good reorder. I fixed the second entry per WP:DISAMBIG and used the article rather than a redirect for the one retained bluelink(name).
 * 7) Template:OEB (you cited). I agree that the template message --what the template displays in the article where it is transcluded-- is "messy" and too long for routine use. It needs a parameter, at least to toggle between one short and one long display/message, and the current display may be too messy or long for any use.

You know enough about WP:DISAMBIGuating and using WP:TEMPLATEs and the WP:Edit summary. You will be able to WP:REDIRECT adequately enough by reviewing those for Scissors coup. By "enough" I mean simply, enough to let me happily stop reviewing all your edit summaries now! When you hope that I read another one thoughtfully, consider visiting my talk page.

P.S. Every contract bridge article may be on the watchlist of User:Newwhist. I have few but championships, orgs, and people.

--P64 (talk) 17:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I think I may have failed to thank you for all your help:-( Believe me, I do appreciate it:-) Narky Blert (talk) 21:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

List of national/supranational bridge organisations
You may be interested to see List of bridge federations. Perhaps it should be renamed to List of bridge governing bodies consistent with category:Bridge governing bodies or category:bridge organizations Newwhist (talk) 16:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * List of bridge federations is exactly the sort of article I had in mind; I'd failed to find it. And I do think List of bridge governing bodies would indeed be a better title - not only for consistency, but as being more accurate. I'll make a suggestion on the talk page.


 * After further thought, I think that British Bridge League and Bridge Great Britain do require separate articles, as discussed here Talk:Bridge_Great_Britain.


 * As time permits, I'll start writing articles on the SBU etc. They will only be stubs, I don't know too much about them; but, better than nothing.


 * Thanks for all your help, much appreciated:-) Narky Blert (talk) 17:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I like the redirect/new name for the "list" page:-) Narky Blert (talk) 21:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Paul Stern
It's astonishing that recent editions of the Bridge Encyclopaedia haven't had an entry for him. I'd think that it was just an oversight, except that apparently he was in the first few editions. (BTW, you inadvertently put your piece on my "home" page so I've moved it to my talk page.) JH (talk page) 09:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * (Sorry, all thumbs!) Stern is certainly in the 1967 International edition, which I have. I cannot think of any good reason for his omission more recently. Does Walter Herbert still have an entry? Narky Blert (talk) 10:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The 7th edition has an 18 line entry for Stern in the Biographies and Results CD, page 248 and a 4 line entry for Herbert, page 213. Newwhist (talk) 12:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, my 5th edition (in the days before CDs) doesn't have him (though it does have Herbert), and I'd heard that he wasn't in the 6th edition either. It's good to know that he's included in the 7th. JH (talk page) 15:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Stern is not in the 6th edition but Herbert is. Newwhist (talk) 17:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

There are some other strong Austrian players from the 1930s who might be considered for WP articles - not least Hans Jellinek and Karl Schneider (a link to his name would bring up 2 other people altogether). Narky Blert (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

gcb
Thanks for the heads-up but I am just another editor and not the glossary police. Please use your initiative and be bold within WP policies. In your efforts on gcb you may wish to note the previous Talk here. Our colleague User:TurnerHodges has been a primary editor of gcb in the past and I respect his perspective on the glossary. If I am not mistaken he too is from the big island. Newwhist (talk) 06:59, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The primary intention behind my heads-up was to say: if I add some slang to gcb and it's not used in NA, please edit to say so. But if I say an expression is British slang - trust me, it is.
 * TurnerHodges doesn't seem to have been very active recently:-( - and he's no Brit, he spells "travelled" and "traveller" with only one 'l'.
 * I saw the recent Elaine Cassidy entry on your talk page ... I agree, once coming 40/488 is not quite my idea of a champion player.
 * "Edit boldly, safe"? I can't quite get that to work. (I only ever played 2 boards against Rixi. She rattled as she moved, from all her bracelets and necklaces. The auction went 1N-3N, missing the 9-card heart fit. Complete bottom - for us. Arrgghh.) Narky Blert (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I too had the pleasure(?) of playing two boards against Rixi, in the early 1970s. All I can remember is that she effectively ignored me and my partner and was very rude to her own partner, someone whose name I didn't recognise. I think I would have been disappointed had she been polite and friendly. :) JH (talk page) 08:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Rixi's partner in my anecdote was Pat Davies. I forget the event, except that it was in London. It may have been one of those things at the Europa Hotel. Rixi's writings always annoyed me, she was such a crashing snob. I think the only ruder player I've encountered was Boris. He was the direct cause of the EBU ban on pets at congresses. We were playing in the same section as him in the Brighton Swiss Pairs (late 70s?). He was shouting at his partner after every hand. I think every nearby table called the TD to complain at least once, both about the noise and about the unwanted information on hands not yet played. But those were the days of Harold Franklin as Chief TD, and name players were rarely if ever penalised. I can't remember the name or the breed of Boris' dog; it was white, perhaps a miniature poodle. We were introduced to it a day or two later when playing against the Hirons; it was a delightful creature. No-one I spoke to had a word to say against the animal. But the ban was announced in the next edition of the EBU Quarterly. Narky Blert (talk) 11:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Summers-Smith
While I have to thank you for your effort in the additions to the J. Denis Summers-Smith article, I'll have to remove at least some of them. We'd want a source for saying he hates the name "James", and even then it probably wouldn't be worth noting, as it's pretty clear in the article that he's known as Denis. I've only read his books (and centred a lot of work on Wikipedia around them), but he seems like a pretty great person from In Search of Sparrows, you must be lucky to know him. &mdash;innotata 01:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem at all! That phrase was merely anecdotal, and didn't exactly add much. As you doubtless guessed, I was able to add factual details to an already-excellent article because I've known him all my life (I'm credited in On Sparrows and Man). He's getting frail, but remains mentally sharp. Narky Blert (talk) 10:44, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

RNLI flag
( RNLI) produces ( RNLI). Mjroots (talk) 20:53, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

October 2014
Hello, I'm Michig. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Half Man Half Biscuit because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!--Michig (talk) 07:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I was right about those chart positions. These are the sites I got my information from, together with screenshots made just now.
 * UK album chart http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/ben-howard-and-slipknot-battle-for-number-1-album-3227/ --- http://imgur.com/yapENY2
 * UK indie album chart http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/indiealbums --- http://imgur.com/rp8Jggt
 * Yrs Narky Blert (talk) 11:43, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The first one is from the midweek chart update, which is not an official chart position. The OCC shows (see here) the album at #68 and a new entry, so it hasn't been any higher. The BBC one is fair enough, so I have restored that. If you could indicate your sources when you make a change it would be helpful. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 17:00, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, will do. Narky Blert (talk) 17:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

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A couple of points
A couple of things to bear in mind as you go about creating biographical articles:

1. The correct markup for  is all capitals and with a colon, e.g , not.

2. The  template is expected to go near the end of the article, near the category tags, not at the head. There's a detailed list of what order the various parts of an article are expected to appear in at WP:ORDER.

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 * My thanks! Yet another chunk of the MoS which I need to read, rather than pick up bad habits from existing articles. Narky Blert (talk) 11:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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