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2012 July-December
Eymir Gölü'ne ait yapmış olduğum ilavelerden birisine "meaningless" diyerek karşı çıkmışsınız. Neresinin "meaningless" olduğunu anlamamakla beraber, ilgili batimetre çalışmasının linkini dereferans olarak ekledim. Böyle bir yorumda bulunmadan evvel bana danışsaydınız, gereksiz işlemler yapmamış olacaktık... — Preceding unsigned comment added by THEWISEOLDTURK (talk • contribs) 15:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well. I agree, it would be more polite to warn you beforehand. But anyway, my reaction is to the sentence "The deepest point is at -5.5 meters (dry season) with an average depth of the lake at 3.80 meters (dry season) and 5.00 meters (wet season)" .I just couldn't understand what is meant by this sentence. If it fluctuates between 5 and 3.8 meters, how can the deepest point be 5.5 meters ? Please be more specific. By the way, please try to communicate in English. Although foreign language is not stricly forbidden in English Wikipedia, some editors make a fuss out of it. Cheers Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:05, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I believe you have to understand the difference between the "deepest point and the "average depth": The average depth is the average of various depth levels taken at different points; it fluctuates between the dry season and wet season - hence, the average depth is 3.80 meters at dry season and 5.00 meters at wet season. On the other hand, the deepest is, as the name implies, the deepest point measured in the lake. The deepest point measured at the lake is -5.5 meters and it was measured in the dry season; this point is not measured during the wet season so we do not have a firm value for it. That's why I specifically added the period for the measurement time of the deepest point. As you shall see, the average depth is not directly related with the depth of the deepest point and, when you also consider the differentiation of figures for wet and dry seasons, you'll readily appreciate that all makes sense and the information provided is consistent within itself. The reference I had used for the depth values is relatively new (of 1992) and is that of a scientific study; there are other references for the average depth values and the vlue of the deepest point (some of which place the deepest point value to -15 meters) but they have no scientific merit and should not be taken into consideration from my point of view. When we consider the rigorous findings of the 1992 study, especially the value of -15 meters is definitely impossible, not even in the past when one considers the height difference between Lake Mogan and Lake Eymir (of 3 meters. Best regards. THE WISE OLD TURK. THEWISEOLDTURK (talk) 21:22, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Some attention please
Hi, could you please comment on here, some users just hate my presence on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Ottomanist Thanks - Ottomanist (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

List of populated places in Antalya Province
Hi, can you find me the http://rapor.tuik.gov.tr/ page for the data? Also the list for Ankara Province? In fact if you can can you add a source to the lists I created so far from A. I intend to get somebody to replace the Yerelnet source with your one and aim to add the population data to those started so far and then continue creating.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

The official pages for 2011 statistics for Ankara and Antalya respectively are as follows.   Cheers Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC) Thanks! Turkish villages mentioned here in the announcement.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:48, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Cheers. What I'm going to do is arrange for an AWBer to overide the yerelnet source with the Turkstat one. I'll also try to arrange a spreadsheet expert to add population data to existing articles started to start from that source. It might be a while before it can be done but fingers crossed. Its best of course they are all started like you start them, but at least population data makes them more worthy. I'd love to see coverage of all of Turkey on wikipedia someday, that's the idea of course. The Anome will add the coordinates. I seem to have some help from TAP so should be able to plough through the missing articles. If you could gradually create the lists as you have been doing from Turkish wiki and the Turkstat source this would be great.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you reword the population info like this? Ref should always come after full stop. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:16, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Just redirect where you see duplicates. I did request User:Koavf to go through and change the source. He'll get to it eventually I think. I'll be resuming with the stubs later I think, but right now I want to concentrate on olympic biographies as a huge amount is missing.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Turkish cap
We could use a Turkish speaker at Articles for deletion/Turkish cap. Please take a look. Warden (talk) 14:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Kızılay BC.jpg


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 * The file is used in Kızılay Emek Business Center. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I know. I just transferred that file to commons so there is no problem this is an automatic information message. Sorry for my bad English. Best regards.--Reality 09:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Vikiçizer
Hi, I've given him some advice, not sure if he speaks English. If you could advice him to find the population page by province and create as suggested I'd be grateful.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:10, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Merhaba Nedim Arıboğa, çeviriye gerek yoktu:) Verdiğiniz bilgiler güzel, kendiliğinden harita görünmesi vs. Ama artık düşünmüyorum İngilizce'ye birşeyler eklemeyi. Başka dillere eklemeyi tercih edeceğim bu aralar. Teşekkürler...Vikiçizer (talk) 12:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Merhabalar
Rumi isimli sayfanın tartışma konusunda matthew isimli bir editör, makalenin giriş kısmıyla ilgili güzel fikirlerde bulunmuş. Gereksiz ifadeleri kaldırıp "Rumi (30 September 1207 – 17 December 1273) was a poet, jurist, Islamic theologian, and Sufi mystic." şeklinde bir giriş yapılsın diyor. Anlaşma sağlanma konusunda desteğinizi bekliyoruz. Teşekkürler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.213.118.137 (talk) 21:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * See my comment in the talkpage of Rumi. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 05:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

 * Wow it has been created only a few minutes ago. How could you find it ? Anyway it is only a stub and I am looking forward to expand it. Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welocme! Let me know if you think I can contribute! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  08:46, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course.I would be delighted. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating this article too. I have added 1 citation there! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  08:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Köy

 * Merhaba, Çoğlu, Karaman'daki hatayı düzelttim. İyi çalışmalar...Vikiçizer (talk) 20:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

beg khan
Thank you... Mr. Nedim   User:Beypeople (User_talk:Beypeople)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Uninvolved help
I have participated in the discussion about renaming the article Tenedos. The discussion began on the 17th of Aug. Although not a clear concensus has been reached, majority of the contributers seem to support the move. But on 2nd of Sep., a user asked for uninvolved help by the template:Uninvolved. Since then we all are waiting for the help and meanwhile the article keeps the unfavored name. Since no help comes, I am not sure about our next step. Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:32, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've posted a request for closure at Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. I'd do it myself, but I'm not totally sure what the procedures for closing such a thing are. It might take a while, it's a bit backlogged, but people seem to be clearing it out pretty quickly. Frood! Ohai What did I break now? 02:01, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

movenotice
See Wikipedia talk:Article titles. I have just been through the category produced by movenotice the evidence is that the notice does not bring more people into the debate. And as you will read in the above link, interested editors will either have the page on their watch list, or they will come across the move via the RM list. Few if any are likely to arrive on the page during a week of the RM takes place, see the tag and join in the debate.

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Misak Torlakian
Hi Nedim, I updated the description of Misak Torlakian as you suggested. Feel free to edit, update the article and write your suggestions to me. Best, Konullu (talk) 11:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

List of Turkish diplomats assassinated by Armenian Terrorist Organisations
Hi Nedim, I invite you to edit, contribute, improve the article List of Turkish diplomats assassinated by Armenian Terrorist Organisations, Turkish version is also available. Best, Konullu (talk) 19:06, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation. But except for linking and correcting obvious errors, I usually prefer suggesting rather than editting. (Because the article may lose its integrity after being editted by different contributers) Anyway, my suggestions are the following


 * 1) How about adding the name of the terorist organisation to the list? (there are several of them)
 * 2) You have missed two pograms. Kapalıçarşı (on 16 June 1983) and Orly (on 15 June 1983). In both events many people (including Turks) were killed. They were not diplomats. But your list include some non diplomats also.
 * 3) I understand you don't list foreign people killed in Armenian attacks. But maybe you consider adding the name Atonyo Torres, a Spaniard  (driver) killed on 2 June 1978.Cheers Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Nedim Ardoğa, feel free to edit this article. As far as I see your suggestion includes List of Turkish diplomats assassinated by Armenian Terrorist Organisations, List of Turkish people assassinated by Armenian Terrorist Organisations, List of people assassinated by Armenian Terrorist Organisations. Why not to have three different articles, then? Konullu (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Ağva
Dear Nedim! You reverted my last edit without paying attention to the fact that with your previous edit the layout of the article is disturbed due to the placement of both images at left, and the subsection was improved in meaning. I guess you missed the point. So, I'm gonna undo your edit. I hope you agree with me now. CeeGee (talk) 10:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The images were shifted down because of the sidebox you added. I didn't change the sidebox . But I relocated the images. I believe I have the right to do that in an article created by me. I suggest you concentrate on creating new articles (which I enjoy reading) or expanding pre-existing articles rather than interfering them. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:55, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * What suggestions! You go beyond the limits of politeness to tell me what I have to do. I didn't expect that from you. Besides, I wanna remind you that you have no right to own articles in WP (see:Ownership of articles). Please note that I don't wanna edit warring with you for such a tiny issue. What I'm doing is to improve the quality of the articles not to decrease. Please take a deep breath and think about it. CeeGee (talk) 11:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Usage on Island
Nedim Ardoğa. Thanks for the comment on usage, certainly made me re-look at the evidence and although usage isn't clear, there does seem to be some conventions for us to use. Check out my amendment and see if it is appropriate. Thanks! AbstractIllusions (talk) 12:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Neşet Ertaş
Hi, Where did Neşet Ertaş die ? Please check Neşet Ertaş. Cheers.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Neşet Ertaş died in Izmir. Vandal changes were removed from article. Bye...Vikiçizer (talk) 12:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Neşet Ertaş
Hi, Where did Neşet Ertaş die ? Please check Neşet Ertaş as of 26 Sep., 19.02. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * selam, tarihi güncelledim. şu kaynakta başka bir saat verilmiş. kaynak varsa onu da hallederim. ingilizce sürümü de size bırakayım. iyi çalışmalar. --Kibele (talk) 12:48, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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Two suggestions
Hi Qara Van, I preseme that you're new to WP: Wellcome and thanks for the sidebox: History of the Turks pre-14th century. But I'd like to make two suggeations. The image is from the Tulip era of the Ottoman Empire which is in the 18th century, much later than pre 14th century. How about replacing it with a more a more coherent image. On the other hand the dynasties listed in China (and to some extend India) were immediatelly assimilated in the local population. I doubt if they can be called Turkic. How about discarding them ?Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:54, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Nedim Ardoğa. You are right in the first matter. The image comparatively is not appropriate. If you have good suggestion for the new image then change. I don't agree with you in the second matter. Shatuo turks, Mamluk dynasty, Khilji dynasty, Tughlaq dynasty no doubt was turkic origin. I understand why you doubt. Turkey historians think that Xiongnu, Golden Horde, Timurid,  Mughal  empires even Sumer was turkic :) Qara Khan 05:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Peyami Safa
Hi,While creating Peyami Safa I linked it to Peyami Safa and I noticed that there was a problematic link in the Turkish article. Hafta, the periodical has been linked to Hafta, the time unit. (section:Edebi hayatı) I hope you'll fix it. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 22:12, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * merhaba, iletişimimizi türkçe sürdürebilir miyiz rica etsem.. --Kibele (talk) 10:43, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * İngilizce ileti sebebiyle özür dilerim. Türkçe Peyami Safa maddesinde (Edebi Hayatı) Hafta dergisinden bahsedilmiş ve sözde link atılmış. Oysa link hedefi dergi değil 7 gün almına gelen Hafta. Link kaldırılmalı. Ayrıca Kumbağ maddesinde belediye başkanının partisi metinde ve bilgi kutusunda farklı farklı verilmiş. Düzeltilmeli. İyi çalışmalar Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * rica ederim. :) yoğunluk nedeniyle çok az ilgilenebiliyorum bu ara. ama en kısa zamanda bakmaya çalışıcam. kolay gelsin. --Kibele (talk) 13:40, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Periods of the Ottoman Empire
Please see it. --Mttll (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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PTT (Turkey) cat removed
Hi Nedim Ardoğa! I see you've removed the cat:Companies based in Ankara from the page PTT (Turkey). May I kindly ask the reason. Cheers. CeeGee 18:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course you can ask. PTT is not a company. It is a government agency and you have rightfully categorised for that. I only object for the company category. Please don't suspect my good intensions. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:16, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Mahidevran

 * Thank you for editing Mahidevran. Please, did you watched popular telenovela about Suleiman?--Miha (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No usually I don't watch TV. But I know about the series from discussions. I presume you question me because of my recent edits. Well I deleted the word "bigamy"; because Süleymen married only once. All other women were his concubines. Yes it sounds strange and irritating. But it was considered normal in 16th century and most other sultans didn't marry at all. (Süleyman was an exception in this respect). As for the caption of the image, it is a good painting; but the object of painting was an ambiguous woman and not Mahidevran. So I changed the caption. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, very well. So, Mahidevran was never his legal wife, but just his consort? Was it even possible for sultan to marry two women?--Miha (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes they had the right of marrying up to four women. But most of them chose not to marry at all. Nevertheless, other than the legal procedures, the women had all the rights of the married women. (Mahidevran's old age problems were because of Hürrem's rage and not because of being a consort) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Şebinkarahisar
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Turkish Wikipedia
Hello Nedim, I have a big Problem in the Turkish section in Wikipedia...

About the user: Supertekin and a few Other's.

They are enlightened wrong No one was threatened, however, committed character assassination of the Ottoman dynasty. The User: "Saba i nihavend", writes on Wikipedia a public website, against the Ottoman dynasty. The titles like Sultanzade, Shehzade of the members of the Ottoman Dynaste are protected. It was committed copyright violations. The User: "Saba i nihavend", must now defend, he has given his allegations in written sources. He has no sources indicated here in Wikipedia, only from his own imagination, created false claims. Furthermore he insulted in Turkish, all the members of the Ottoman dynasty. It is hereby informed that the members of the Ottoman dynasty, be offended. This must be followed by law. Thank you for your understanding — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perihan S. (talk • contribs) 18:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kullan%C4%B1c%C4%B1_mesaj:Saba_i_nihavend

Perihan S. (talk) 18:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course I'd like to be helpful. But I am not sure what is meant by chracter assassination of Ottoman dynasty. I read Saba's personal page. What I saw is a discussion about Suleyman I and about your relation to dynasty. Saba's tongue is unfortunatelly impolite. But you can easily keep your stance by using relevant sources. My personal belief is that Hürrem was right in intrigues against Mustafa. After all, in brother execution system before Ahmet I, all mothers naturally defend their sons against their half brothers. Have I missed any other discussion ? If so, please give me some examples of character assassinations ? By links if possible . (I am not active in Turkish WP because of the article Kadınlar saltanatı. But you can always reach my English page) Cheers.. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:16, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Monoton
I give sources but they deletet it...and say: they do not accepted it english or other outlandish sources, only turkish sources.

Well than...just they made süleyman kanuni's grandson to his own son...to show, he had other womans.

This is so monoton...never went to turkish wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.149.132 (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Istanbul
Hi. Your opinion on the new collage would be appreciated. --E4024 (talk) 15:50, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Excuse me but I'm rather at a loss. Exactly what is new collage ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Like any (well almost :-) discussion it is on the talk page of the article... --E4024 (talk) 21:21, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Zeugma
On February 24, 2011 you made an edit to Zeugma (disambiguation) where you changed * Zeugma, Syria, an ancient settlement in Syria to * Zeugma, Turkey, an ancient settlement in now called Samandağ. I'm not a wikipedia expert but I'm guessing it was linking to Samandağ before you made this change. I'm trying to learn about Zeugma. I don't think it has anything to do with Samandağ at all. Is there some way to delete all this? - GroveGuy (talk) 20:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't create the article Samandağ. (I only added a population figure). But the name Zeugma, Syria had been redirected to Samandağ by User:Codrinb on the 23.of Feb.  I don't know if Samandağ is Zeugma or not.  But if Zeugma is indeed Samandağ, than it must be Zeugma, Turkey because of a very simple reason; Samandağ is in Turkey. (Please check google earth) That's why I moved it to Zeugma, Turkey the next day. If you have sources about a Zeugma in Syria, you are free to edit Zeugma, Syria after clearing the redirect. (By the way please note that there is another Zeugma in Turkey: Zeugma, Commagene. But it has nothing to do with Samandağ).  I hope everything is clear now. Cheers Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:50, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick reply. I guess I need to communicate with Codrinb also. The basic problem is that the Zeugma (disambiguation) page has all this junk on it. I don't think there is a Zeugma in Syria. I think the confusion with Samandağ is that Zeugma originally was called Seleucia (named after the Greek General)... - GroveGuy (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Turkey villages and towns
Please create these articles follow the style of [village, district], bot will do the interwiki. tr and vi have the same this style. Thanks.--Tranletuhan (talk) 04:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with them. Whenever there is a risk of ambiguity, I use the name of the district. Otherwise I don't. But in such cases, I use redirect pages (village, district) for linking to "populated places in the province" list. CheersNedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem with this, it take your time when you add interwiki in other wikis manually. There is mis-interwiki here, isn't it? (tr:Alanyurt is disambiguation).--Tranletuhan (talk) 09:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Stub or Start assessment?
Hi Nedim Ardoğa! I see that you have reverted the assessment of Golden Microphone, which I had declassed to stub. Please note that an article is in stub class if its length of prose portion is less than 1,500 characters. DYK rules' eligibility criteria on "length" states this limit to ensure an article is in start and not in stub class. CeeGee 14:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In WP:stub stub is defined as an article deemed too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject. Although there is no clear-cut border line between start and stub, I presume stub is something like a dictionary. A single sentence article like "XX is a village in YY " is an example of a stub. But when some information about the subject is given it is no longer a stub. Anyway the volume of Golden Microhone currently is about 3 kbytes and even using your argument it is far from being  stub. Please refrain yourself from edit wars. It is no use for you and me. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems that you are confused about the meaning of edit warring. The article in question had less than 800 charachters, where lists etc. do not count. Anyway, you are the person, who reverts without respecting the rules. CeeGee 17:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

White Turks and Black Turks
Beyaz Türkler maddesinde "Türk olmayan fakat Türk olduğunu iddia eden" şeklinde çok çirkin ve ırkçı bir ifade var. 1 numaralı kaynakta ve ınterwiki atılan İngilizce ve Almanca metinlerde böyle bir ifade yok. Gözden geçirilmesi ümidiyle dikkatinize sunulur. (The above message is about an interwiki link.)Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * selam, ifadeyi kaldırdım. teşekkürler. --Kibele (talk) 15:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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Mahidevran

 * Hello again, Nedim Ardoğa. Do you remember Mahidevran? User:Neyseolduartik said: "I have removed these lines as they are not true at all. Why? Mahidevran's description is not known in Ottoman records at all. The false description is based on the actress Nur Aysan who portrays Mahidevran in a TV serial." What do yo think about that?--Miha (talk) 13:19, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * To be sure, the slave girls in the imperial harem were generally beautiful girls. But so far I have no source which claims that Mahidevran was the most beautiful. (And mind you, it was almost impossible to compare their beauties in a closed Medieval society. ) Thus User: Neyseolduartık has a point to clear the claim. But if you can find a reliable source about Mahidevran being the most beautiful, please edit the page showing the source. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I cannot find source for her great beauty. It seems that she was beautiful when has been chosen by Suleiman or his mother. But I am interested in the royal family of Suleiman. Do you some notable author who wrote something about descent of his mother, Valide Sultan Ayşe Hafsa?--93.136.104.240 (talk) 16:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC) (I cannot log in.)

Esin Afşar's birth
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System B
Hey, Nedim: You reverted my latest change to System B (which you originally wrote). Maybe you misunderstood what I did there. I've renamed the TV page to CCIR System B and made "System B" a redirect to it. I did this because several other pages about the CCIR analog television systems are named "CCIR System XXX" and I considered it asymmetric to have some pages named one way, others another way.

Also, if you look, System G turns out to be a supercomputer! I wanted to write a page about the television system, so of course it became CCIR System G. Really any page named just "System XXX" is a bit too short.

I request that you "revert your revert" since nothing is lost with the page being called "CCIR System B", and it's not ambiguous. Thanks for writing the original, I hope you liked my other "improvements". Steve Hosgood (talk) 14:28, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * To be sure you can expand the article. If you have serious rationale, you can also change the name of the article. In WP these are permitted. When you want to change the name of an article you can just use the move button at the top of the page; I takes no more than several seconds. But I gather you have tried to change the name of the article by copy and paste method, which is quite impolite for the other contributers and also for the readers who may wish to browse the history of the page. Thanks for your understanding. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:36, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Now I see what the problem was about! I've been on WP 6 or 7 years, but I didn't know that trick! It seems you don't mind my argument for renaming, so I'll do it again - the proper way this time! Thanks. Steve Hosgood (talk) 16:39, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

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Categories
Hi Nedim. Province categories are under Marmara Region category, and there is no point to add these villages into Marmara Region category. İyi akşamlar.--Rapsar (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not true. Province is an administrative unit and region refers to geography. So a province does not necessaily define the region. For example Bilecik city is in Marmara Region. But most of the populated places in Bilecik Province are in Black Sea Region. Thus both the province and the region should be defined independently. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Türkçe olursa daha iyi açıklayacağım sanırım :) Senin de dediğin gibi bölgeler, coğrafi özelliklerle alakalıdır ve ne illerle ne de yerleşim yerleriyle bir bağlantısı vardır. Bana kalsa bu bölge kategorilerini komple silerdim, çünkü çok yanlış anlamlara vesile oluyor :) Herneyse, bu il kategorileri bölge kategorilerine eklendiği için kaldırmıştım onları. İkimizin yaptığı da kısmen doğru kısmen yanlış :) Bu bağlamda yerleşim yerleri/illeri bölge kategorilerine eklemek doğru mudur sence?--Rapsar (talk) 15:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think categories are very useful. But since the editors are encouraged for categories, there is no harm in adding categories. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A Turkey province have about 500 villages in average, if all villages are categorized by region, the category will be big. In the case of towns or cities, you can do this. For me, villages should be categorized by province.--Cheers! (talk) 01:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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