User talk:Niemzowitsch

Andor Lilienthal
Thanks for fixing up Andor Lilienthal. I wondered how I got that detail wrong, and I see it was a mistake taken from the ChessBase News article used as a reference, http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2419. You are very alert to have spotted the error. You are welcome to join the Chess WikiProject, or just check it out if you like. Your chess knowledge and attention to detail are an asset in any case. Quale (talk) 15:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliments! I try.... About the Chess WikiProject it seems a wonderful project. I just looked it up and I will certainly spend some time studying it. Thanks!

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Israeli Chess Championship
Hi, Thanks for your chess contributions, they are highly appreciated! I just added the new category Category:Correspondence chess grandmasters to 3 new articles you created, and saw that you translated them from Hebrew. Would you mind having a look at the Israeli Chess Championship? It is really hard to find good sources in English for it. I noticed that the Hebrew version (he.wikipedia) is so much more complete. Our list of winners was compiled from a variety of sources, and I am sure that the Hebrew version is also more accurate. We also have only one winners list, while the he.wikipedia has four. It would be great if you would have a go at improving the article, but I do realise it is a lot work. I would also like to echo Quale's invitation to join the wikiproject chess. Happy editing! Voorlandt (talk) 21:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I will try to help at least in the four list of players. To translate all the article is really a big job. I have also built a few tables (if you are able to look at them at maybe it could be a nice addition to the Englih wikipedia. Those are tables of the major tournaments Caplanca played in after the loss of his title. I think that they may deserve an entry. I will be interested in your opinion.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 05:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for having a go at the Israeli Championship! I am curious, the fourth column on the he.wikipedia, is that the junior girls championship? I have just changed the layout a little of the article, so that it doesn't look like any of the winners are missing. About the Capablanca tables: if the tournament is big enough, you can always create a separate article for them, see for instance: Nottingham 1936 chess tournament, Groningen 1946 chess tournament and 2008 Corus Chess Tournament (we should have many more). Voorlandt (talk) 13:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I just spent two hours updating the Female champions and the Junior champions so I may destroy your work... I hope that we can merge the work of both of us...

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 13:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah sure, don't worry about it, I can always reformat later on. Voorlandt (talk) 14:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I managed! Your format is much better than the former one. Thanks a lot!

By the way - the fourth column is the correspondence chess champions.

I added a new table - you can look at it Chess new york 1931

P.S. The fourth column I will also update, maybe tomorrow or during the weekend.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 14:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Vladimir Liberzon
I should have asked you about this earlier, but I didn't think about it. We had a discussion about Vladimir Liberzon's date of death on Talk:Vladimir Liberzon. After I started in the wrong direction, we settled on 4 August 1996 as found on several other non-English wikipedias, and in particular at ולדימיר ליברזון. We still don't have a good reference confirming this date of death. I suspect the best references would be in Hebrew. Do you have any leads we can follow? Thanks for any help you can provide with this, and also for your other good work correcting factual errors and starting new articles. Quale (talk) 19:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I read all the references by GOOGLE in Hebrew, but did not find a definitive source. I will look in the Hebrew chess magazine (I have all the issues from the last 35 years) but most of them are not easy to find at my house, as they are in cases... It will take some time but I will find it. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I added the reference :
 * A pair of kings, Israeli chess mourns the death of two outstanding champions, by Uri Avner and Ram Soffer,Chess In Israel, August 1996.

If you wish I could mail you four photos taken from the article by my friend Amazia Avni who was the chief editor of the Israeli chess magazine. I tried to send you via wikipedia but that did not work. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for tracking down a reference and adding it to the article. It seemed likely that the date in the other wikipedias was correct, but it's best to get confirmation from a reliable source.  Wikipedia itself has become popular enough that mistakes made in wikipedia are copied by others, and then those copied mistakes are sometimes used as references to justify the original erroneous information in wikipedia.  This is a vicious loop, with us chasing our own tail.  It's good to know that this was right.  Quale (talk) 06:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry that I forgot to respond to your kind offer of photographs. Normally you should be able to upload images directly to wikipedia using the Toolbox/Upload file link on the left side of the screen, but you probably already know that.  There are copyright concerns that I don't pretend to understand, but apparently they are less strict concerning images of deceased persons used for purposes of identification in the biography article.  I'm going to put a note on Bubba73's talk page to ask him if he wants to work with you to get an image of Liberzon on his biography page since he has added many chess player photos and understands the copyright issues better than I do. Quale (talk) 01:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way - yesterday I found another mistake - here is what I wrote :

Photo
Quale asked me about using an old photo. I have had no problems with using old photos if the subject is dead. (If he is living, that is another matter.)

If the photographer has been dead for at least 70 years, add this under "Licensing":

If the photo was published in the US before 1923, add this:

There is also one for publishing in the USSR before 1949 or something like that.

If neither of those apply, and the subject is dead

Edit to look at how I've formatted it, and include the name of the Article in those two places, finish the description, finish the source, and include other information if you have it. Anything under 100KB counts as "low resolution".

I've also had no problems with using photos of living people if they are in a historic event that can't be recreated. Bubba73 (talk), 02:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You can also look at Category:Chess player images to see many of the chess player photos we have now. Many of them use the licensing rationale that Bubba73 describes.  Quale (talk) 05:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Stuart Milner-Barry
Dear Matt,

You added that "He had also continued to play chess, competing in the 1952 and 1956 olympiads,[1] and coming second at Hastings in 1953". To the best of my knowledge he did not participate in this tournament. Please look at the link and you will see all the participants. I made a further search and he played only once and reached the last place, but it was many years earlier.

Where did you find this detail?

Otherwise I enjoyed your article, specially the part about the enigma.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 15:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The second place finish at Hastings 1953 might have been for the Challengers section. You are right that Milner-Barry did not play in the premier section in either 1952/3 or 1953/4.  Anne Sunnucks The Encyclopaedia of Chess (1970) includes crosstables for all Hastings Premier sections through 1968/9.  Milner-Barry played in 1933/4 finishing 10th (last), 1934/5 finishing 9th=, and 1938/9 finishing 4th=.  The source for the second place finish at Hastings 1953 was chessgames.com which probably took it from Golomek's Encyclopedia of Chess, p. 201.  Unfortunately the Milner-Barry entry simply says he finished second and doesn't clarify which section (Premier or Challenger) or even if this was 1952/3 or 1953/4 (presumably the former, I suppose). Quale (talk) 05:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe someone with old BCM volumes could check it, but I doubt that such a strong player would agree to play in the Challengers section. Usually it is for young players who are climbing and hope that they will be able to play in the premier section in the next year.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You may be right about that. I certainly wouldn't expect a member of the 1952 and 1956 English Olympiad teams to play in the 1953 Challengers section. That leaves the mystery why Golombek wrote that Milner-Barry finished second in 1953.  There are quite a few typos in Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess, but the problem is that 1953 doesn't seem to be a likely typo for any of the years that Milner-Barry did play in the Premier, and even if the year is wrong he never finished second in the Premier anyway.  Quale (talk) 01:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

William Fairhurst
Thanks, well spotted - I'm not sure where I got "IM in 1932" from - my B. H. Wood source (CHESS magazine) puts his title award date at 1952 (maybe I misread the 5 for a 3?); ChessCafe says 1953 (- your source); Kazic (normally a trusty source) in this case only muddies the waters by claiming 1951; Golombek doesn't say, which is unusual and Hooper & Whyld haven't included a Fairhurst bio, although Whyld in Guinness Chess: The Records agrees with Kazic (1951). So I guess it could be any of these, I'd probably favour 1951, as Kazic will have worked directly from FIDE's records, but at least they're all in the same ballpark! Brittle heaven (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I might be able to look this up. Obviously 1932 was wrong since the IM title was created in 1950 (see International Master, although I see that this article needs references). Quale (talk) 15:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Chess double grandmasters
Hello again. Useful new category, but I wonder if it should be broadened to include double GMs who have the Over-The-Board and Chess Solving titles, e.g. Jonathan Mestel, John Nunn etc. Brittle heaven (talk) 06:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea! I did not think of it as I am not following this kind of competitions. I can add both players that you mentioned but I do not know of anyone else. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, now that the category exists others can be added in due course. Thanks. Brittle heaven (talk) 22:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I'm not sure this is a useful category. Sometimes these sorts of narrow intersection categories are frowned upon.  See WP:OC.  Since FIDE also awards GM titles for Solving and Composing, why not Category:Chess triple grandmasters and Chess quadruple grandmasters?  Often a very narrow intersection category like this is better as a list. Quale (talk) 06:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * A list will be fine. Could you change it to a list? The important thing is to be able to retrieve them all in an easy way. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 06:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right, it is good to have that information readily available. It isn't easy for a user to do a category intersection by hand.  You may have noticed that although I'm very free to offer advice ("it might be better as a list"), I didn't actually do the hard part, which is to come up with a good name for the list.  Do you think List of chess double grandmasters would work?  "Double grandmasters" isn't common terminology, but it seems clear and you used it for the category.  If you think that title would be OK I'd be glad to create the list, or you can go ahead and do it if you like.  In a list we can annotate exactly which two GM titles are held.  Of course we have GM and GMC (or ICCGM), and I'm pretty sure there are also GM and GM of solving (John Nunn).  I thought Yuri Averbakh might be an example of a GM and a GM of composition, but I just looked it up and he isn't.  (He is an International Judge of Composition.)  After we create the list, we will help people find it by adding a link to it in Grandmaster and possibly some relevant correspondence chess articles, as well as putting it in Category:Chess players.  Quale (talk) 01:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I used the terminology because we use it in Hebrew. I think that List of chess double grandmasters is a good name. As Nunn is an exception, we can write that the list refers to GM in OTB and in CC unless otherwise written. By the way, I found another double grandmaster that does not have an entry - Vasily Borisovich Malinin, but they are really very few more.

Thank you for creating the list! I promise to update it if I will find more double GM. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 05:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Grigory Levenfish
wrote to User talk:FrankEldonDixon

Hello ! You added the following detail: "In a Soviet-only tournament at Leningrad 1936, he placed third with 8.5/14."

Where did you find this detail? I checked in the following tables:
 * All-Union Young Masters 1936
 * All-Union tournament of 1 category- Leningrad 1936 and All-Union tournament of 1 category- Leningrad 1936 and All-Union tournament of 1 category- Leningrad 1936

But in all those tables Levenfish does not appear. Please let me know as I am translating this article into Hebrew. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 08:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Erich Eliskases
I find it very useful that you are checking the accuracy of these articles. Very few editors have the patience or meticulous attention to detail and so I applaud your efforts. Regarding Eliskases, my comment about the wrath of the Brazilian authorities, probably came (in essence) from the (already referenced) New In Chess article - I quote, "In 1941, after the tournament of Sao Paulo, he stayed in Brazil, working as a bridge teacher. Threatened by internment and expulsion (since Brazil had broken off all official contacts with Germany), he narrowly escaped that fate with the help of some Brazilian chess enthusiasts, who hired him as their chess teacher on a regular basis." I am no expert in Brazilian-German diplomacy at the outbreak of World War II, but I would imagine that Brazil's disagreement with the German regime would not sit well with playing host to one of their subjects. Perhaps they considered it embarrassing, giving sanctuary to someone they regarded neither as a refugee or a prisoner of war; more an uninvited guest. Did Eliskases even denounce the Nazis? - I really don't know, this is just idle speculation on my part. However, if you feel the information is incorrect or misleading, then please feel free to edit with references or start a discussion on the Eliskases Talk Page. I'd certainly be interested why you think it illogical. Brittle heaven (talk) 23:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer! I found it illogical as 1. "Brazil had broken off all official contacts with Germany" 2. Erich Eliskases did not want to return, so - even without saying it - did not agree to help Germany with its war effort or at least by returning to his homeland would remain neutral if not pro-Germany - this as you wrote "incurred the displeasure of the Nazi party" which I fully agree.

The last part of the sentence is "This, of course, the wrath of the Brazilian authorities, who had severed all links with the Germans."

Why should his decision not to return to Germany cause "the wrath of the Brazilian authorities"? I do not know if it is true or not....

To the bright side: In the Hebrew version I have added a paragraph about his olympic record and a few interesting links. One of them I added also to the English version. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Too much guesswork, since the New In Chess article doesn't say that Eliskases incurred the displeasure of the Nazi party. It also doesn't say that Brazilian authorities displayed wrath, which is to say "fierce anger", "deeply resentful indignation", or "vengeance and punishment as a result of anger".  Brazil might have been angry, or they might simply have been annoyed, or maybe fearful that he was a Nazi spy or saboteur or that the Nazis would think that they were holding him captive and take offense that they were preventing him from returning to Germany. Or maybe they simply wanted to enforce their laws and Eliskases didn't have a valid visa.  The NIC article doesn't say, so I'm rewriting those sentences to match the source more closely. If there is another source indicating that the Nazi party was displeased and that the Brazilian authorities were angry we can undo my changes and put that back in. Quale (talk) 06:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea! In the Hebrew version I have omitted this sentence. It is nice to be almost on-line with you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 07:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Theodore Tylor
Good question and again you have an excellent eye for detail. I never add that sort of information without a source, and I footnoted it to Sunnucks. I'll double check this when I get home and I can look it up, but I think either I made a mistake and didn't accurately report what is in Sunnucks or else Sunnucks is in error. (Her The Encyclopaedia of Chess is a very useful source, but it contains many mistakes.) Either way we will have to fix this up. Quale (talk) 21:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked up the reference in Sunnucks. It says "In 1935, he came =5th in the Premier Tournament at Margate".  I simplified that a little by leaving out "Premier Tournament" because I assumed that the Premier would have been the top section and simply saying "Margate" would be enough.  If the Premier was not the top section won by Reshevsky in 1935, then I made a mistake.  If the Premier was the top section, then Sunnucks made a mistake.  Any idea what we should do?  Unless we get more evidence I think we should remove mention of Margate 1935 entirely from the article.  We had the same sort of problem with Stuart Milner-Barry.... Quale (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! In the Hebrew version I omitted this detail (but added some more...). I just added two links to the English version. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, I solved the mystery and found the correct table. Please look in - he reached the 5th place in Margate 1936 drawing with José Raúl Capablanca, Gideon Ståhlberg, Erik Lundin and won against Stuart Milner-Barry.


 * Outstanding research. The Margate 1936 crosstable couldn't have been easy to find since it is included as an image and Tylor's name wouldn't show up in search engines.  I've made the correction in the article noting that Sunnucks has a typo, and added a little detail about Nottingham 1936 from the crosstable on the same Roger Paige page.  At first 12th at Nottingham 1936 didn't seem like a very impressive finish, but he had the best result of any of the British players that year. Quale (talk) 06:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, we are still missing some important players like Isador Samuel Turover that  played in the New York 1931, Reginald Price Michell Hastings 1934/35, George Marshall Norman  Hastings 1934/35 and Eduard Anglares Paris 1938. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately some WP:CHESS participants wouldn't agree that these players are "important", but I want to have biographies for them. If you don't create them, Mibelz probably will, since he's written dozens of chess bios here. Quale (talk) 06:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I forgot to ask: would you add an interwiki link to Theodore Tylor?  I don't read any Hebrew so I'm helpless to create this myself. Quale (talk) 06:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You are really dedicated! Last message yesterday at 23:36 and today busy again at 06:06...

You are correct - I started checking at 1931 tables and success was at 1936. You are also correct that the players are not important in the global sense of the word, but even a participation in major tournament like Hastings, New York or Paris proves that they were very strong masters. I hope to see - in the far future - articles on all major masters. I know that it will be a huge work, but we have a goal to be the best knowledge base ever created. If every country will write on its own chessplayers, we will reach this goal.


 * I agree. Unlike some others who would like to limit the number of chess bios we have, I think the value of articles such as List of chess grandmasters, the articles in Category:Chess national championships and others are enhanced substantially when we have articles for all the winners (or participants, if the tournament was important enough to include a crosstable like Hastings 1895 chess tournament).  The value of each individual biographical article is enhanced by inclusion of bios on lesser but still important players—this is a synergistic effect that really takes advantage of wiki linking.  Some people would have us include only biographies of chess players they already know, but what's the point of that?  Don't we hope to learn something from wikipedia?  I'm not here just to show the world how much (I think) I know.... Quale (talk) 07:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The Hebrew interwiki exists already - just try it. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 06:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, you're right. Sometimes I act like I'm more blind than Tylor—I don't know how I missed it. Quale (talk) 07:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Conel Hugh O'Donel Alexander
I posted this as this result is too important to overlook.

Hello! You wrote that his best result was first equal with David Bronstein in the Hastings Tournament of 1953 but winning the Hastings International Tournament in 1946 a point ahead of the second is even better. What do you think? --Niemzowitsch (talk) 07:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The "his best result was Hastings 1953" language is derived from The Oxford Companion to Chess reference given in the article. I immediately assumed that Hastings 1946 was a weak tournament just after WW II, but looking at the crosstable shows that assumption was wrong—a full point ahead of Savielly Tartakower and two points ahead of Daniel Yanofsky is an excellent result.  I think it might not be quite as strong as going undefeated in 1953 and beating Bronstein, O'Kelly de Galway, and Tolush.  In 1946/7 he lost to Tartakower in their individual game, but won the tournament because Tartakower lost in turn to Maurice Raizman (!) and drew games against Yanofsky and Gerald Abrahams.  We should mention the 1946/7 result in the article. Quale (talk) 08:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I did not think about the relative strength of the tournament being a criteria to his best result. I added also this tournament to the Hebrew article and wrote something like his best results were....     --Niemzowitsch (talk) 08:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Vladas Mikėnas
sent to User talk:Mibelz Hello! You wrote that Vladas Mikėnas played for Lithuania at first board in five official and one unofficial Chess Olympiads, and that In August/September 1936, he played at unofficial Olympiad in Munich (+5 –7 =8). In the site he is not mentioned among the players that played in 1936, and the whole team is missing from this event. Could you please check your source about this 1936 participation?

You also wrote that "In 1960, he took 10th in Parnu (Baltic Rep. ch)." This table shows that he shared 4th-5th place Could you please check your source also  about this tournament?

Do you think that the 7th place in 23 Championship of Moscow- December 1943/4 is important enough to mention? 

Also the 7th place in the Championship of Estonia- 1945 

He also participated in the 7 Championship of Lithuania(open) Vilnius March 1951 and in the 1953 Championship of Lithuania and in the 21 Championship of Lithuania- 1965 he shared first place with Uogele As far as I know his last tournament as the Championship of Lithuania was in 1985 where he got the 14th place.

Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! You give me an extra work but what to do ?!

1/ Vladas Mikenas played for Lithuania on 1st board at Munich 1936 (=5 -7 =8), and Lithuania took 11th place (see my article: 3rd unofficial Chess Olympiad). Reference: http://www.olimpbase.org/1936/1936ltu.html

2/ Mikenas tied for 4-5th at Leningrad 1960, and took 10th at Pärnu (Paul Keres won), http://www.geocities.com/al2055perv/nat_tour/1960/ch_pri60.html (see my article: Baltic Chess Championship).

3/ In have just added Moscow 1943/44, Estonia 1945, and LTU-ch.

Shalom, Mibelz 17:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the references! I am ashamed that I missed the 3rd unofficial Chess Olympiad... I knew that I missed something as I found too many games mentioning this event but could not find the link.

About the Baltic Chess Championship - I simply do not understand as also this link mentions the Baltic Chess Championship for the year 1960. Were there two events? 

Here are some more info: Hastings 1937/38 Mikėnas took 6th place  and here are some nice photos if you think the link is good enough to be added.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 02:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello!

Since 1945, the Baltic Chess Championship was a National Tournament, held mostly in one of the Baltic republics, only for Soviet chess players from Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and sometimes from other Soviet republics. So, the 1960 Batlic-ch had place in Pärnu (Estonia). (see, http://www.geocities.com/al2055perv/nat_tour/1960/ch_pri60.html)

From the other hand, in the 1960 International Tournament "Baltic Nations", held in Leningrad (Russia), representatives of the Soviet Union and foreigners from FIN, SWE, FRG, GDR, and POL played. (http://www.geocities.com/al2055perv/it/1960/lening60.html)

Thanks for your information which I have added to the article page. Regards, Mibelz 20:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Paul Keres
Hello! You added on the Revision as of 15:47, 22 June 2007 that Keres defended his Estonian title in 1936 by drawing a challenge match against Paul Schmidt with 3.5-3.5. When I check the Estonian Chess Championship article I find that in 1936 Paul Felix Schmidt is the champion. Could you check which is correct? {sent to User talk:FrankEldonDixon} --Niemzowitsch (talk) 08:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! The RUSBASE (parts two to five, http://www.geocities.com/al2055Km/index.html) contains only results for the Soviet Union (1919-1991) !

The fate of Estonia (together with Latvia and Lithuania) in World War II was decided by the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact and its Secret Additional Protocol of August 23, 1939. Then, on June 16, 1940, the Soviet Union invaded Estonia. First Soviet occupation (1940-1941) was ended with the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. Estonia came under German control. The Soviet forces reconquered Estonia in the Autumn of 1944.

So, you cannot find Estonian Chess Championship in RUSBASE for 1942 and 1943. I know an Estonian link http://www.zone.ee/pkeres/ but I have not got crosstables for EST-ch in 1942 and 1943.

Best wishes, Mibelz (talk) 21:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Stig Lundholm
You are not alone in thinking that Stig Lundholm deserves an article. Checking Special:WhatLinksHere/Stig Lundholm shows the article will have at least five incoming links when it is created, which is better than some of our articles have now. We're still working on building the web.... Quale (talk) 06:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Good morning! Working now on the Keres article... --Niemzowitsch (talk) 06:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

List of strong chess tournaments
Hello! It is interesting idea to add links for chosen tournaments, and you are right that would take a lot of work. Now, there are direct links for the following tournaments: London 1851, American Chess Congress, Hastings 1895, Nottingham 1936, AVRO 1938, Munich 1942, Groningen 1946, Piatigorsky Cup 1963 and 1966, Corus 1999 and 2007, Linares 1999 and 2007, and Chess World Cup 2007. All of them have crosstables in the Wikipedia articles. I think, we ought to give links for such pages. Mibelz, 11:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

If you agree, I will start adding direct link to strong chess tournaments in your list when I find them. It can help checking the results as I found while working on the Keres article.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 11:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Go on, please! By the way, you ought to answer on a partner discussion page not on yours. Best wishes, Mibelz, 13:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You are correct, but I answered on the same page as you wrote...--Niemzowitsch (talk) 13:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Walter John
You are correct. It was a copy fault. I have just improved the page. Thanks. --Mibelz (talk) 21:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Chapeau for "In September 1940, he won in Danzig (Gdańsk)" I managed to find the sentence in your reference, but as I do not understand this language, I would otherwise miss the item... --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * In the end of an article "CHESS IN FORMER GERMAN, NOW POLISH TERRITORIES" based on Fred van der Vliet's work (2006), there is the following information: "W Gdańsku we wrześniu 1940 roku wygrywa Walter John (6,5 z 7) przed Rogmannem (4,5 p.)." [In Gdańsk (Danzig), in September 1940, Walter John won (6.5/7) ahead of Rogmann (4.5/7)].

There is also some information, I hope, especially interesting for you: "W 1943 w Poznaniu (Posen) odbywa się turniej pod nazwą "szachowe dni dla Wehrmachtu". Bierze w nim udział Paul Keres. Tylko raz gra na polskich okupowanych terenach, mimo że w tym czasie bierze udział w znanych turniejach: 1942 Monachium, 1942 Salzburg, 1943 Praga, 1943 Salzburg, 1943 Madryt. Otwarcie turnieju następuje w wielkim hallu Reichsuniversität (obecnie i przed wojną Uniwersytet Adama Mickiewicza, Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznań). Po części oficjalnej (obecni są Dr Altmann, przedstawiciel Deutsche Arbeistfront, komendant Poznania gen. Bielfeld i Majer, który organizuje podobne przedsięwzięcia już od 1940 roku) odbyły się pokazy symultan [następujących] mistrzów: Keres (+32-5=3), Rogmann (+15-2=3), Eysser (+17-2=1) i dr Kraemer (+16-3=1).Uczestnikami tych symultan byli w większości żołnierze jednostek stacjonujących w pobliżu Poznania. W poznańskim turnieju zgodnie z oczekiwaniami wygrywa Keres (5 p. z 5) przed Gruenfeldem (Ernst Grünfeld) (4 p.). Kolejne miejsca zajmują Rogmann (3 p.), Georg Kieninger (1,5 p.), Eysser (1 p.) i starszy szeregowy Bickenbach (0,5 p.)."

I advise you with pleasure another article "Keres Plays With the Wehrmacht" in May 1943 in Posen. Have a good time! Mibelz 16:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you! The Keres article I have read before and specially enjoyed the photos when the young Keres was playing the simul. Also the game Keres,P — Grünfeld,E was interesting. The Polish I do not understand but I managed to located the sentence with the results...  --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Tatatóváros
You are right. Tatatovaros is a correct name in English, and Tatatóváros in Hungarian. --Mibelz 12:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I just mentioned it because the letters to were missing in Tatavaros - Tatatóváros

Only today I read your amazing user page with all the contributions to chess - kol hakavod - which means in approxmiate translation from Hebrew - all the honours to you

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 13:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The addition of new information
Hello! You can always add new ones. Please do it. Thanks for your opinion on my chess page. - Behatzlacha - Mibelz 21:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

WDSB Congress
Thanks for your glance of the eagle's eye. The 12th WDSB Kongress was held at Frankfurt 1878, and the 13th and last West Deutschen Schachbund (WDSB) Congress took place at Braunschweig 1880. Please look at the German Chess Championship page which I started. - Mibelz 8:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment and also for the quick correction of the article! By the way - could you explain the acronyms WDSB-, NDSB-, MDSB?

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 08:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * WDSB - Westdeutschen Schachbund (Western/West German Chess Association/Federation), NDSB - Norddeutschen Schachbund (Northern/North German Chess Association/Federation}, MDSB - Mitteldeutschen Schachbund (Middle/Central German Chess Association/Federation).

See: http://www.endgame.nl/dsb.htm, please. Mibelz 10:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, I will see it later. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 11:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

German wikipedist
I think, a German wikipedist DaQuirin is a good contact. Mibelz 10:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I will contact him. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 11:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Gyula Makovetz
Thanks for an information. I have just added references into the page. --Mibelz (talk) 9:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I will update also the Hebrew version. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 10:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Vincenz Hruby
I have just improved an article on Vincenz Hruby. Look at this, please. --User:Mibelz, 19:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the update! I added the new information also to the Hebrew article. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Hugh Alexander Kennedy
Hello! I have created an article on Hugh Alexander Kennedy and improved the London 1851 chess tournament. PS. It is a very interesting information on your mother and Andrija Fuderer. Is he a Jewish? -- Mibelz (talk) 11:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Very nice! Just read both articles and enjoyed it. I will ask my mother today for Fuderer and will write you what she says. Now it is a little bit too early to phone her. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Paul Lipke
Hi! I do not know where Paul Lipke lived during World War II - in Germany or abroad ?! If he stayed in Germany, he had some chance to survive. Only about 15,000 Jews officially remained in Germany after mass deportations ended in early 1943. Most of the remaining Jews were married to non-Jews or were racially classified as part Jews and were thus exempt from deportation until 1944-1945. Several thousand Jews remained in hiding until the end of the war. (http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005469) --Mibelz 20:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the text and the link. Only in the last few years I heard part of the story of the survival of my mother (as an 8 years old child from the train to Auschwietz) and then a long walk with her sister back to their home in Yugoslavia only to be taken to another concentration camp. The story of the survival of my father was never told to me in detail - I just know that my grandfather was suspicious when all the students in my father's school were ordered to meet for an outing near the forest and he forbid my father to join the class. On the same day some 400 children were killed in the forest and only 3 survived. How he managed to survive all the rest I do not know. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Johann Baptist Allgaier
Hi! I have already thought about him to create an article. Do it yourself, please. Now, I am working on Adolf Kramer (Krämer, Kraemer), and ... I have a some problem. First Adolf Kramer (1871-1934), second Adolf (Ado) Kraemer (1898-1972), and others (Kramer E., H.- Hellmuth?, W.) - http://www.anders.thulin.name/SUBJECTS/CHESS/CTCIndex.pdf Name Index to Jeremy Gaige's Chess Tournament Crosstables, An Electronic Edition, Anders Thulin, Malmö, 2004-09-01.

PS. Tonight, I am going to Turkey for my holidays (two weeks). --Mibelz (talk) 09:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

First - Enjoy your holidays! Second - I have only the source that I mentioned to you, so I am not sure it is enough. Did you notice the many new (small) details that I add to the articles, specially about their games?

If possible I will try to surprise you when you come back in two weeks with an article on Allgaier, I hope it will be good enough... --Niemzowitsch (talk) 13:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Atkins in Amsterdam
Hi, I was just editing Quale's user page, and noticed your question on Amsterdam 1899. He won the tournament, but I am not sure whether it was an international tournament, since it was the 27 edition of the Dutch Chess Championship (see also http://www.logicalchess.com/info/history/1800-1899.html ). Regards, Voorlandt (talk) 09:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Erich Cohn
Hi! I have just improved the article Erich Cohn. I have written: "In matches, he won against Carl Carls (+5 –1 =1), drew with Ehrhardt Post (+4 –4 =1), both at Berlin 1906,, and lost to Rudolf Spielmann (+1 –2 =0) at Munich 1906,http://www.thechesslibrary.com/files/ShortMatchesOf20thCentury.htm and Edward Lasker (+0 –1 =3) at Berlin 1909".http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter20.html Earlier, I based on "Polish chess encyclopedia" (Litmanowicz & Giżycki).

PS. You are rigth on an article Aaron Alexandre. I copied that fragment. So, you can change it. -- Mibelz 15:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Netanya chess tournament
Have you got any information about Netanya chess tournament in 1963 and 1970s/1980s? -- Mibelz 19:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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