User talk:Nirva20

Nirva20 (talk) 17:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Edit summaries
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Please provide an edit summary for every edit you make. With a Wikipedia account you can give yourself a reminder to add an edit summary by setting, and then click the "Save" button. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 06:56, 11 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Nirva20,
 * Why did you move an article to Susan Shatter when the article subject is referred to as Susan Louise Shatter several times? You need to have a very good reason to move an article to a different page title and it's not just because you like a different title better. We go by how the sources identify a subject. Please leave an edit summary with every edit or page move that explains the policy based reason for your edit. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 07:01, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Nirva20 (talk) 23:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Recent renaming of various articles
You recently renamed Elizabeth Parke Custis Law to Eliza Law, as well as also renaming the composer Loris Ohannes Chobanian to Loris Chobanian (along with multiple other articles). Both of the articles I mention above were renamed using WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE as justification. I think these two Wikipedia policies are being used in error and have opened a discussion on the Eliza Parke Custis Law talk page about that article's title change. Shearonink (talk) 06:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Re your post on Liz' User talk - you stated
 * "I stand by Chobanian change 100% but possibly Eliza Parke Law ..."
 * I can see Chobanian staying in its present state but hat WIkidata Eliza Parke Law our mentioned is not the Elizabeth Parke Custis Law/Eliza Law mentioned above, that is Eliza Parke Custis Law Rogers(1797-1822). The 1797-1822 person was Martha Washington's great-granddaughter, the woman we have been discussing lived from 1776-1831 and was Martha Washington's granddaughter and the mother of Eliza Parke Custis Law Rogers.
 * In the past I have found that if all the names, especially of the women of this era and milieu but even of the men as well, are retained it is easier to keep similarly-named people from different generations (and even similarly named cousins in the same generation) straight.
 * I think the present Eliza Law article should be changed back to its original title but want to make sure you are ok with all that. I'll ask an admin to do the change, so they can get all the various WP links/redirects/etc. in order.
 * If you're not ok with it being possibly changed, let me know and we can continue the discussion on the article talk page. Shearonink (talk) 04:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If you feel that strongly, I won't object. Nirva20 (talk) 04:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Page moves
Hello, Nirva20,

I have some concerns over your editing. Although you have only been an editor for 3 weeks, you already have over 3,000 edits with this account which makes me think you are probably a returning editor. Whether or not you are evading a block on another account, I can't tell. But your behavior is not that of a brand new editor you seem to easily refer to policy that it takes many editors months or years to learn about.

But my concerns are about all of your page moves. It seems like you are just into shortening the page titles of biographies. You should not, say, drop the middle name or maiden name of an article title because it would make the title shorter. We go by the name of the subject in reliable sources and to know what the correct page title should be, you need to consult all of the sources. Obviously, the experts in this matter are the content creators who devoted their time to creating and developing these articles and it is hard for me to believe that so many of our article creators got the common names wrong that you can search out and "correct" dozens of biographies every single day. Many new editors get caught up with the fact that they can move pages and they start going a little crazy with the process. Please be sure that the articles you are moving to different titles are in keeping with the sourcing in the article or additional sources you have found and do not move articles to a different page title because you personally prefer it, that is not a valid reason.

I watch the Move log so I see all of your article page moves, which are many in just a few weeks, and I hope you slow down and really do research before deciding to alter the page titles of the articles on this project. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 06:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah she deleted my page and reduced my husband's page! 2603:8081:5200:A100:415C:B4DA:7412:391B (talk) 03:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Liz: I believe this is a reference by Elsa Salazar Cade, wife of William H. Cade, who is blaming me for the fact that her article was AFDed and, by consensus, reduced to a redirect. (I didn't even participate in that AFD, which was before I started editing Wikipedia.) I merely followed the instructions to finish the redirect if it remained undone (see the diff). Nirva20 (talk) 03:50, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Liz -- not my fault (see ). Nirva20 (talk) 20:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Nirva20, In these renamed pages, are you fixing all of the article links, or leaving them as redirects? I am concerned about this trend too. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 05:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @PigeonChickenFish -- If you mean updating ledes, removing circular redirects, and tweaking the DEFAULTSORT, then yes. Otherwise, I am not sure I know what you mean. Nirva20 (talk) 12:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Through the day this editor was blocked as a sock, they continued making incorrect page moves, such as with Jonathan Plaut and Charles Herb. The amount of damage this sockpuppet has caused to the project cannot be understated. Curbon7 (talk) 04:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Hold up.
Hi, I noticed the removal based off of the dead link, you mentioned OR, could I ask again, just for clarity scake, was it based off of it being original research, the source being dead, or new information from a new source? Geardona (talk to me?) 00:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Understood. To my mind, if the sole link supporting the claim is no longer valid it kind of becomes OR. I clarified in the subsequent edit summary. Yours, Nirva20 (talk) 00:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Try this link https://web.archive.org/web/20180702233240/http://www.dodlive.mil/2012/02/23/first-black-female-fighter-pilot-follows-childhood-dream/ Geardona (talk to me?) 00:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed the link, sorry try it now. Geardona (talk to me?) 00:30, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Catholic Encyclopedia
Hey! I noticed you've been changing the attributions on some articles imported from the Catholic Encyclopedia. It's great to see those getting some love. Can I recommend that instead of changing the attribution to external New Advent links, you go with the template? It automatically links to the wiki-hosted import (so it'll be stably available even if New Advent changes things up again), puts a nice formatted attribution on the page, and makes it easy to find Catholic Encyclopedia articles.— Moriwen (talk) 01:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Moriwen -- OK. I finally got the hang of it. The problem was that the Wikipedia article name (often) didn't match the CE/New Advent article name. Sometimes minor spelling differences, sometimes not even the same name but a reference to something or someone else in which the subject was referenced. Nirva20 (talk) 22:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Little wiki word note.
Hello, small nitpick-y thing here: rv - revert rm - remove

To bug you Geardona (talk to me?) 00:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I do tend to use them interchangeably. I'll try to remember. Nirva20 (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Not a bit deal, just figured for clarity. (thanks for your work btw) Geardona (talk to me?) 00:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I struck your comment, just fyi.
While I understand your frustrations, that way of phrasing them is not permitted per Wikipedia policy. Would you be willing to come back and rephrase? FortunateSons (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Diff for the strike FortunateSons (talk) 21:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood. I tried again using more moderate language. Is it OK? Nirva20 (talk) 21:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You fixed the issue with the personal attack, thank you. I nevertheless disagree with your assessment of content and policy (and tbh, you will likely have limited success at best with your proposal), but it being unlikely to succeed and potentially off-topic is a lot better than it was before.
 * I appreciate you being receptive to criticism. :) FortunateSons (talk) 21:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Finding consensus at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza
Hey, thanks for pitching in at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza. More attention on the subject can help the community come to a reasonable decision. But I noticed the input you provided is based on your personal analysis of the subject. This type of input can be counterproductive, because consensus on Wikipedia should be based on reliable sources and policy-based arguments. In the case of a page move, arguments should be based on what the subject is explicitly called in reliable sources, not what individual editors understand or determine it to be. Personal interpretation or analysis is generally given little to no weight when determining the results of the discussion. The big ugly alien ( talk ) 21:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Query
Hello, Nirva20,

No matter when I'm editing Wikipedia, you seem to be actively editing. Do you sleep? Just kidding. You just have made more edits in less than 2 months than some editors make over 10 years. Liz Read! Talk! 07:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I sleep too much according to some. I just woke up, actually.  NYC (EST) time. Cheers. Nirva20 (talk) 13:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
 nableezy  - 14:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I left that colloquy quite some time ago. Just tell 'em Elvis has left the building and is NOT coming back. Nirva20 (talk) 17:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the email
I need to contact lots of people as part of my reporting. I wouldn't take anything she says as seriously directed at you. I'm most interested in the people trying to scam her, but I'll listen to whatever she has to say. Just routine reporting. If you've got any tips, just let me know. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 03:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Got it. Thanks for the prompt reply.
 * Yours. Nirva20 (talk) 03:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024
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Please do not remove deadlinks in citations
Hello, and thank you for your efforts to improve Wikipedia! However, you should know that it is not a good idea to remove citations or information sourced through citations simply because a link to a source is not working, as you did to Thaddeus C. Pound. Dead links should not be deleted. Instead, please repair or replace the link, if possible, and ensure properly sourced information is retained. Often, a live substitute link can be found. Links not used as references, notes or citations are not as important, such as those listed in the "External links" or "Further reading" sections, but bad links in those sections should also be fixed if possible. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Please restore the citations you removed. MarconiCheese (talk) 12:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi. I do replace deadlinks with valid ones where possible. However, it is not always possible to do so as sometimes there aren't any replacements. I will try to be more conscientious about that. Nirva20 (talk) 22:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

AFDs
Hello, Nirva20,

I've noticed with some recent AFDs you have started that you only evaluated the sources that are currently present in an article. Please review WP:BEFORE and carry out a search for additional sources and also look at the entire page history before you nominate an article for deletion consideration. AFDs are really for articles that are unacceptable for main space and shouldn't be used for borderline cases where articles could be improved through editing. Also consider ATDs such a redirection or a merge that you can recommend in your deletion nomination. Unless there is truly inappropriate content, deletion should be a last resort, not the first option that is considered. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 19:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Edit summary accuracy and page moves
Hi. I noticed you've making several page moves with the same edit summary,. You used this edit summary with the move from Mirza Riyaz Ul Effendi to Mirza Riyaz Ul Hassan Effendi even though it is now longer. Please make sure your edit summaries are accurate, especially if you're using the same tinned ones. I would also recommend going through the WP:RM if you feel a move may be controversial. For example, I reverted your page move at Frieda A. Murray, which you moved to Frieda Murray, as her pen name is the former. Curbon7 (talk) 06:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The move option may be tinned but it is accurate. Nirva20 (talk) 14:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Findagrave
Just wanted to note that Findagrave as an external link does have the occasional purpose of being a place to link for articles that do not have embedded grave photos. I noticed you were removing the links, en mass. For an article that has a grave photo already, it can be removed. It should (almost) never be used as a citation, but it existing as an external link for a user to review the gravesite is allowed according to the WP:FINDAGRAVE-EL policy. --Engineerchange (talk) 22:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I do keep FAG when it has pictures of gravestones unavailable elsewhere, particularly when there is a discrepancy re date/year of birth or death. Nirva20 (talk) 22:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Unreferenced tag
Just so you know, this article is not actually unreferenced. It contains a URL to a website plus a WP:General reference to a book. If you want to complain that there are no "little blue clicky numbers" even though sources are listed on the page, then the appropriate tag is no footnotes. If you do a lot of this, then you'll probably also want to know about third-party, which is the tag to use when there are sources on the page, but they're all to the subject's own website/writings.

These tags can be used together: no footnotes when the only source anywhere on the page is a website in ==External links==, and third-party because that website is an WP:ELOFFICIAL link to the subject's own website. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: Okay, thanks. But what about Onesource when there is just one source? Nirva20 (talk) 17:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I personally don't use that if the one source is a good one, but yes, that can also be a useful tag. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:22, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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