User talk:Nonsenseferret/Archive 2

Happy Easter!!!
So a print encyclopedia, a strawberry shortcake, and a sycamore walk into a bar - wait, have you heard this one? (talk) 00:07, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Full Force
Hey mate, I would just like to have a page on here dedicated for our team so that we can keep people updated and have a history from start to finish. I tried to find the notes that were there for why it was declined and was unable to find them. Would you be able to give me the details on why it was declined so I can reedit it for submission. Thank you, Sam :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chewiez (talk • contribs) 05:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Broadly speaking, you need to establish that there is sufficient notability of a subject before an article will be accepted, you can demonstrate this by reference to multiple examples of significant independent coverage in reliable sources. An example of such coverage would be a newspaper article on the subject in a national newspaper, or a book published on the subject which is found in many national libraries around the world. If such coverage is not available for a subject, then it would not be suitable for inclusion. --nonsense  ferret  14:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
 Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved.
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 * Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I see you've gotten one of these by mistake too, funny... FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Solway Primary School
Hi, I've been busy researching the last five years of happenings at the school.

I've no idea of referencing but have the appropriate 3rd party references in separate word document.

What do I have to do, so you can have a look to see how i am progressing, esp with the timeline.

I don't want to resubmit just yet, as its not up to scratch but would like an opinion.

Frogyy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FroggyPeterson (talk • contribs) 14:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I made a few small tweaks to the text such as turning a bare url link into a reference/citation in the first paragraph. My initial impressions are that it is not very clear where the information in the article is coming from - the goal is that all individual facts presented in an article should be verifiable by reference to one of the reliable independent sources mentioned, so in that respect there are presently on the face of it some issues with verifiability. Secondly, we must address the question of notability and look to see whether the article makes a reasonable claim for notability. I guess you could summarise the article as "Solway is a primary school. it exists and has pupils and a history (much like other primary schools). The school got funding and built a library which was opened by an MP. The primary school was one of 16 in the state to achieve a 5 star sustainability certification, and a TV personality opened the school fair." The test for each of those claims to notability really rests on the independent coverage that was obtained:


 * so you might ask does being a 5 star s.c. school mean that the school is notable? this depends really on how much independent coverage there was of the award. People often become notable from winning a notable award, so if I win an academy award for acting then I'll likely be notable, but it is not really so much that the winning of the award inherently made me notable, really the fact that lots of national and international news sources around the world will almost certainly be commenting at length on what I won it for, what I said/wore when I collected it etc. If a lot of news sources took an interest in this certification achievement, then that would certainly help build a case for notability, but if we can only cite commentary of the award issued by the school or the government organisation, which can't really be said to be independent, then that wouldn't likely be enough to establish is as something contributing to notability in the minds of the general public.


 * similarly, does the visit of an MP to open a new wing, or the visit of a celebrity to open a fair confer notability? the key point here too is that there is nothing inherently notable about such claims - they may be notable, but this would need to be established to appropriate significant independent coverage in reliable sources. I think it is reasonable to expect that just about any primary school will get some short articles in the local media from time to time. The question is the depth and extent of the coverage such as to establish clearly the notability of the school was really out of the ordinary. Obviously that is to some degree a subjective test, but from looking at some of the decisions that have been made concerning the deletion of other similar articles in the past, coverage that is localised in nature is much less helpful in establishing a case for notability.


 * So I would think that there's likely some way to go in terms of providing sources that can establish a clear case for the school to be notable over and above similar primary schools in the region.


 * I hope these comments help explain my impressions of the current state of the article, do ask if anything isn't clear. --nonsense ferret  15:12, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hoax websites
Another snippet about recognising hoaxes - websites are so easy and cheap to set up that hoax companies will often have glossy-looking ones which look impressive at first glance, but at second glance there are usually tell-tale signs like absence of detail and, particularly, absence of checkable details like a postal address or telephone number. For a couple of examples, see my note in the third para at User talk:Lugia2453. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent and very funny examples of the lengths people go to - many thanks for the tip. --nonsense  ferret  21:56, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at the Administrators Noticeboard
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Humblesnore (talk) 08:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Articles for Creation declines
Hiya, thanks for your involvement in WP:AFC, much appreciated. I would just like to ask that when declining a submission, you modify or replace the awaiting review tag with the replace tag. A decline tag under the tag saying the submission is awaiting review is easy to overlook and replacing the tag also removes the article from WP:PAFC. All the best Charon123able (talk) 02:08, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. Can you provide the example you had in mind so that I can investigate where this has went wrong? The vast majority of my reviews are automated. Thanks --nonsense ferret  10:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hiya, it was a bad call sorry. I've just had a look at the articles review history in more detail. The creator added a review tag above the decline tag instead of changing the parameters leading me to believe that the article had been declined but the pending tag had been left by the reviewer. Just ignore me :) Thanks Charon123able (talk) 11:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello and Request!
Hello nonsenseferret. You are one of the most active AfC reviewers I know. I am getting more involved in this project, and have been getting a fair amount of emails/talk page messages about my declined articles. I love your AfC page and was wondering if I could use it at the basis for my own page. Also, thanks for being an awesome AfC guy. I wanted to give you this:


 * Thanks, you are very kind, I only started reviewing pages for the March backlog so I'm very much learning new things all the time myself - I stole that page from User_talk:gwickwire, so I reckon you stealing it from me too is entirely fair. Good luck with the reviews! --nonsense ferret  22:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! Have an awesome day! TheOneSean &#124; Talk to me 22:45, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Can't find resubmit button
Hi, I've re-edited the page with extra refrencing as you advised, now I'd like to resubmitt my article but can't find the resubmitt button. Help. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronit Dassa (talk • contribs) 19:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You have two options: Option 1: you can look in the second pink box where it says ". When you are ready to resubmit, click here." and click on the link provided and then save the page. Option 2: edit the page and add the content to a new link including the curly brackets before saving the page. --nonsense  ferret  19:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Submission declined
Hello, our article about the "Bretten Youth Council" was declined in March. We have added citations and sources and re-submitted the article, but as it has not been accepted yet we do not know if it has been declined again or just has not been reviewed a second time. Since the article is a project of my English class, my students don't stop asking me what has happened with their article. Thank you very much for your help, yours Bastian Witt (English teacher at Melanchthon-Gymnasium Bretten) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MGBonline (talk • contribs) 16:58, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * have to apologise that the article was improperly reviewed on 31 March by a user who gave no indications of why he felt the article should be declined. So I have undone his actions and placed back in the queue for an independent review.  Since I have already reviewed the article, I feel it would be better to get input from another reviewer which should happen in due course.  However, I have to say that I'm not sure it was a particularly good choice of subject due to the lack of obvious significant coverage - and I suspect that it will not be accepted in its current form.  --nonsense  ferret  20:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I note that the article has now been re-reviewed, and declined by an independent reviewer. I have asked around to see if there is an editor that might be able to help provide some sources than can help you get the article accepted, but I'm not that hopeful that they will be able to do so. I will update you if I find any more. --nonsense  ferret  20:59, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Northland Noise SG article for creation
Hi, I submitted and article for creation a while ago about my Sporting Kansas City supporters group and you declined it back in March. I went to the help chat and learned a little more about articles for creation and what they really need to be moved to the article space. I didn't do anything with the article for a while as I didn't have the references needed. However I think I may have come across one today and added it to the article. Personally I still think it won't be enough, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to try again. Thanks for you time, I appreciate what you and the other reviewers do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Northland_Noise_SG

Rj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjbass (talk • contribs) 23:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Northland Noise SG article for creation
Thanks for reviewing the page. I added a new reference but didn't think it would be enough yet to garner being moved into the article space. I will keep working on it. Rjbass — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjbass (talk • contribs) 23:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Solway Primary School
Hi this is FroggyP, I have moved ahead with my page on Solway Primary School. Can you just have a look, tell me what you reckon, am I going okay? It is nowhere near finished. FP
 * having had a quick look, I'd say some of the information on local history would find a better place in an article about the local area - towns for example are generally accepted as notable so it wouldn't have too many problems fitting in there I think. It is also possible that such an article might mention the school and why it was built perhaps. As to the school's own article itself however, I have the impression that getting that accepted will still be a bit of a struggle.  You could write the best article in the world, but unless something out of the ordinary has happened to the school receiving significant recognition and coverage in a wider context, I can't hold out much hope of a listing that will survive long here. --nonsense  ferret  15:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back. I am working up to tying the history that I have written into the early development of the school. Regarding the write up on the school itself, I will use the Amador Valley High School ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amador_Valley_High_School ) which is a Featured Article (June 19th, 2012) as a guide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FroggyPeterson (talk • contribs) 01:35, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

A question I have, regarding citations on my page: Given the method I have chosen for my citations: How do I cite different pages of the same book - do I use a number of references. i.e my reference number 6 (Beardsell), I now want to reference something on p1 as well as p2.FroggyPeterson (talk) 05:07, 10 May 2013 (UTC)Froggy
 * If you have a look at Citing_sources you can see there are quite a few different styles, but what you have mentioned is an entirely reasonable approach to list a separate reference for different page numbers. --nonsense ferret  01:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Apologies
My apologies if I have appeared to be "snarky" in the BLPN and/or AfD threads about our philanthropist. I've been to two different funerals today and it was my intention to avoid getting involved in anything controversial, hence my fiddling around fixing an article about an Andolan. Still, best intentions sometimes go wrong and probably did on this occasion. One day I will learn, or perhaps my own funeral will come first! - Sitush (talk) 21:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * don't give it another thought, I am no stranger to asking difficult questions myself, so I'm the last one to take anything personally and I really have no problem with anything you have said. If more people were prepared to ask difficult questions then the world would be a better place. I am sorry to hear of you bereavements, alas so frequently in life sorrows come not single spies but in battalions, my condolences. --nonsense ferret  21:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your tolerance and consideration. Are you quoting someone there? ... not single spies but in battalions? Please don't say it is another bit of Shakespeare that I've missed! Unless, of course, it is. - Sitush (talk) 00:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hamlet, I think. --nonsense ferret  01:12, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

promotional afcs
You are doing good work in reviewing AfC submissions. But here's a suggestion: AfC submissions that are entirely promotional with no possibility of making an article without total rewriting should not remain in Wikipedia, and are best speedy deleted immediately. The easiest way is to list it for speedy deletion as G11, which is best done by using the twinkle feature. There's no need to bother with the mechanics of the AfC system. For example (I'm going to hold of deleting them a day or two so you can see what sort of article I mean here:


 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Burger Bakar
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Cliffside Malibu
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Robert's Diamond Bond.

You might want to check if there are any others you have recently worked on that would warrant immediate removal.  DGG ( talk ) 03:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments, I have responded at User_talk:Anne_Delong --nonsense ferret  13:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I replied there, and have opened a discussion at         DGG ( talk ) 15:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see you want to discuss it at AfC also. I normally avoid discussions there, as, based on previous experience, the reviewers will do what they please. just like they usually do; about half of submissions are reviewed wrongly, and the work flow is indecipherable.  Fortunately, nothing about the project is policy, so the rest of us will cope with whatever nonsense they do there according to actual policy. I will use G11 according to WP:Deletion policy,as discussed at WT:CSD. After we confirm (or modify) the applicability of policy there, then they can adjust their instructions, and if you have an opinion on that, you might want to join the policy discussion where it will take place.   I think it wrong to split discussions, and will make one my rare visits to the AfC discussion page to say so.  DGG ( talk ) 16:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have nominated the 1st and 3rd of these articles above as G11 at CSD.  Another admin will judge.  I have not yet decided what if anything to do about the other. DGG ( talk ) 00:03, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You've overwrriten a couple replies at the G11/AfC threat at CSD
I'll restore 'em, but I thought I'd let you know. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk 15:59, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that - I'm perplexed - why did I not get any edit conflict? I definitely didn't delete anything --nonsense ferret  16:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ehhh, MediaWiki, bugs? Never happens.  ;-)    --j⚛e deckertalk 16:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Phoenix Marketcity Bangalore - Help Me Publish The Page
Hi,

Could you please help me out in getting my page Phoenix Marketcity Bangalore published. As you deleted the page please let me know the changes that I need to make in the content. Phoenix Marketcity Bangalore is the shopping mall in Bangalore,India. It is a well know shopping mall in Bangalore and it has been awarded by trip advisor as well. I want the mall information get listed in Wikipedia. For your reference I here are the web links for the mall - http://phoenixmarketcitybangalore.com/, http://www.phoenixmarketcity.in/.

Please do the needful — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharathkanichar (talk • contribs) 06:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your Marketcity article has not been deleted, merely declined. You can find it at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Phoenix_Marketcity, where you will be able to continue to edit the article to improve it, and ultimately resubmit it for consideration. I would suggest that a good first step would be to read carefully Your_first_article. This should give you a reasonable explanation of what you need to do to get an article accepted.  You will need to find independent coverage in reliable sources such as national newspaper articles or books which discuss the shopping mall in detail.  If multiple examples of such coverage do not exist, then it will not be possible to get an article accepted, because it will not meet the required level of notability.  If such coverage does exist, then you can then concentrate on using the information in the coverage to develop an interesting and neutral article and get it accepted.  It is very important to understand that such an article is not an advert, and should not have any hint of promotional language.  I hope this is helpful and feel free to ask if you have any further questions. --nonsense  ferret  10:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Quest for review
Hi, excuse me. I'm a novice and I'm not english, sorry for my weakness. I edited my article for creation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Allison_Stokke Could you mind to checking it and tell me result, Could it be created ? Please, She deserves to has a Wikipedia page. I sick to seeing WP hasn't any page for her yet, so I decide to create it Hard Backrest (talk) 07:24, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You can follow the instructions in the pink box on your article page to resubmit the article for review, basically it says to click on a link to resubmit then click save. Then it will go back on the queue and a new reviewer will give you their opinion. I always feel it is better for another reviewer to do a second review, to give you a different perspective. --nonsense  ferret  20:26, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Hard Backrest (talk) 10:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Alliance for financial inclusion
Creating author just moved the article into main space, including the AFC notices. Figure your know more about it to see if it should be deleted. Bgwhite (talk) 06:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Mohammad Daoud al Abbasi
Hi, I'm still working on citing the references, I'm trying to figure out how to do it as I'm getting the references repeated, and I couldn't cite the same reference in two locations in the article. it's a bit confusing though but I'm getting there. Thanks for your previous amendments. Nirmeenabbasi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirmeenabbasi (talk • contribs) 17:18, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Best recommendation is to have a look at WP:REFB for a quick guide to get the references right. --nonsense ferret  18:26, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Mohammad Daoud Al Abbasi
Hey, thanks again, I think I managed to fix the references citation, would like your advice if there is any mistakes. Appreciate your help. Ty. Nirmeenabbasi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirmeenabbasi (talk • contribs) 02:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed a few bits of wayward punctuation including missing curly brackets at the end of a couple of cite book templates, and a few unneeded hash characters. It would be good if you could look at using the cite web template for the websites which are in references rather than just the bare URL link. --nonsense  ferret  02:53, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Mohammad Daoud
Hello, thank you again. I have edited the references with website links, I hope they are alright. One final question: Once the article is fully published, is it possible to edit again or add additional photos to the article? Thanks and appreciate your help. NirmeenAbbasi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirmeenabbasi (talk • contribs) 06:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It is already fully published, so the answer is yes, all wikipedia articles are works in progress and may be edited by anyone. --nonsense ferret  20:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Formatting citations, providing sources, correcting factual errors FrankSanello (talk) 20:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)FrankSanello
Dear Nonsenseferret,

Thanks for editing the Wiki article on Frank Sanello (me).

I changed some factual errors in the article I believe you may have inserted. You or someone wrote that the publisher, Steve Schragis, settled out of court with the law firm of Meyer, Rosenfeld & Susman, and left Sanello to defend himself.

Not true. In an early interview with the NY Post, Schragis said he wanted to settle to avoid the cost of a court case, but the law firm refused to settle for less than $250,000. Schragis' libel carrier, AIG, didn't want to settle or set a precedent of paying out for malicious, nuisance or promotional libel suits, and the case did go to trial.

It lasted a grueling 4 weeks! At the end, the jury returned a verdict of not guilty of libel and interference with economic relationship or "tortious inferference."

A few minutes ago I added a link from a legal .org site defining "tortious interference." I tried to create a footnote by editing the source code for the link to the LA Times article by Ann W. O'Neill, "Law Firm Is Loser in Flap Over Stone Bio." LA Times retrieved 7 July 2013, which proves that we were acquitted.

I used the citation format in "edit source" mode, but that didn't create a footnote, just the formatting.

Can you fix?

BTW, I can't find either the LA Times article or the misleading NY Post Article, The Naked Truth About Sharon Stone. Neither article exists in the LA Times or NY Post archives.

Were you able to retrieve the two articles somehow? I couldn't!

Footnote 7's headline: ^ "Stone biographer beats libel rap". New York Post. 6 October 1999. proves that the case went to trial and we won. No one settled. The more recent article in the NY Post contradicts the earlier Post article that said early on publisher Steve Schragis was going to settle or had settled, which is not true.

The law firm refused to settle, and both the publisher and I went to trial. The jury acquitted us of all charges. I added that because the passage you inserted about the suit not trying to determine if the gossip about Stone was true seemed to attempt to clear of Stone of the gossip. In fact, in Ann O'Neill's LA Times article, she quotes an attorney who makes a point of mentioning that the jury's verdict had nothing to do with proving or disproving that Stone engaged in inappropriate sexual behavior with the firm's client list!

What Ann O'Neil failed to mention in her article is that the attorney she quoted vindicating Stone was the litigator who represented the plaintiffs, Rosenfeld, Meyer & Susman during the trial! She implied he was just some legal expert commenting on the case.

I don't know why the plaintiff's attorney tried to exonerate Stone's alleged sexual behavior in the interview he gave Ann O'Neill in the LA Times. Possibly to get Stone to return to the law firm she fired after my bio of her came out by trumpeting the fact that the jury didn't determine Stone engaged in that behavior.

Since Stone didn't sue me or the publisher, why would the jury determine that she was "innocent" of soliciting other male clients of Rosenfeld, Meyer & Susman? That was not at issue. The plaintiff's attorney's comments about Stone's vindication were irrelevant to the case.

Maybe the LA Times wanted to publicize that Stone hadn't been found "guilty" of the allegations published in my bio and supplied by Skryzniarz.

However, the jury did decide that Skryzniarz had told me the gossip over dinner or it would have found me guilty of libel for lying about such a damaging statement that did indeed lose the law firm's star client, Sharon Stone.

The passage containing the Skryzniarz quote is located on p. xxiii of Naked Instinct's Introduction. You accepted that footnote citing the page number. Somehow I did manage to turn the passage with page reference into a footnote, but my most recent cittatio

I quoted about Stone that a partner in her law firm, William Skryzniarz, told me on New Year's Eve 1996. That info is on p. xxiii of Naked Instinct, which is listed on OpenLibrary.org, which I believe is owned by Wikipedia, no?

One more question:

What does your statement at the top of the Frank Sanello article mean?

''This article or section is in the process of an expansion??? or major restructuring. You are welcome to assist in its construction by editing it as well. If this article or section has not been edited in several days, please remove this template.''

Nonsense, what in particular does "remove this template" mean? Delete the entire article?

I hope not. Keri was going to make the edits I requested, but then decided it was a hot summer day, there were hot dogs to grill, etc., and she'd get back to me. Fine. She also told me to go to the help room, where I met you.

You told me not to edit my own article or it would be "autobiography," lack NPOV and be self-promoting.

However, Keri told me that as long as I identified myself as the subject of the article, it would be OK to make minor edits...such as changing the misspelling of my name as "SanellA" twice instead of "SanellO."

Wiki notes that my books are cited as examples of "good style" in various style manuals such as Turabian, APA, MLA and the Chicago Manuals of Style.

As the author of 19 books, 15 published by mainstream publishers, I apparently have an exemplary style, per Turabian, APA, and others.

That's why I changed or edited some of the stylistic, grammar and punctuation errors.

If I overstepped my bounds, please let me know.

The info that the publisher settled out of court and left me to defend myself without an attorney is simply not true. Both Ann O'Neill's article in the LA Times and the later NY Post article headlined, "Author Beats Libel Rap," which I think you removed from External Links, both confirm that we did go to trial...and we did win.

Thanks for all your help, Nonsenseferret!

Sincerely,

FrankSanello (talk) 20:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)FrankSanello This article was last edited by FrankSanello (talk | contribs) 17 seconds ago. (Purge)


 * Frank, I'm going to copy your comments to the talkpage of the article at Talk:Frank_Sanello so that everything can be dealt with in one place please respond there --nonsense ferret  20:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Deleted page
Instead of deleting, how about assisting and letting us know how we can start our wiki page for our band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.2.116.220 (talk) 20:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * does your band meet the criteria of WP:BAND --nonsense ferret  20:38, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Richard Morgan page move
Thanks for helping out with this. Now I know, I'll follow your lead, although it's not something I'll be doing often, I hope. Sjwells53 (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I appreciate your help!

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CSD tagging
Please don't use WP:CSD when the page is not nonsense. Just because something is crap or stupid doesn't mean it qualifies for G1. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * How can you tag Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ben's Cat under G1 when the submission is blank? I've deleted it per G7.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This is your final warning. If you continue to misuse CSD tags, as you did with Lord of Glencoe Scotland James Durrance, I will block you. --Bbb23 (talk) 00:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Although I think you should take some time to understand the G1 tag, I'm retracting the warning based on comments I just made on my talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for raising User:Bbb23's attiude, NF. It's not the first time he's done this, and when this is pointed out, he removes the comment. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, I guess. Oh.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * xe is entitled to remove or not respond to any comments on their talkpage, and I'm not much interested in some sort of personal vendetta, though I appreciate your attempt to be supportive. If someone has done something to annoy you in the past, just move on with your life, really that's the best thing. --nonsense ferret  19:27, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I noticed this while looking at a different issue, so consider me a third party. Bbb23's correct here; if you're tagging pages incorrectly, it's an issue. Rather than getting defensive, I'd suggest re-reading CSD criteria to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future. Best, m.o.p  19:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * already taken third party advice thanks all the same. --nonsense ferret  19:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Hólmbert
Yea, and it won't need as much work when it's brought back a few weeks later. What a palaver! Clavdia chauchat (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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WikiProject AFC is holding a two month long Backlog Elimination Drive!

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Glasgow helicopter crash
infobox aircraft occurrence will prove useful to you. Would do it myself but heading to bed. Mjroots (talk) 00:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! --nonsense ferret  00:20, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Deaths
Ah, wondered if BBC ref was what what you were looking at (I should have asked). It's the Mirror ref I was looking at. But I trust the BBC a bit more than the Mirror, so I won't revert again.--A bit iffy (talk) 01:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your understanding - I can see that the police will want to contact families before they make an official announcement, it seemed reasonable to me to wait for that official confirmation --nonsense ferret  01:13, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Reaction
BBC and Sky News broadcasts c midnight 1-2.12.13 make two families' reactions headlines, as the police have not discussed with them whether their missing have been found yet or not, 48 hours in. Their accusation is the Police prefer to preserve the evidence (ie their chopper) to locating the missing, who may not yet be dead. You might also add the fundraiser that's getting started https://www.facebook.com/events/717458218265401/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.121.174.34 (talk) 00:53, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

In the case of John McGarrigle, he was told by the Police to await a call concerning his missing father between 0700 and 0800 GMT 2.12.2013, which was never made: by mid-morning he was reduced to appealing through the Press for information.

Similarly, the family of Mark O'Prey consider they are being ignored. The Police reply that liaison officers are working with the families just doesn't hold water in the lights of the families own statements: by releasing statements contradicting them to the Press, the Police are evidently not supporting them.

WP should not censor itself simply out of respect to the Police, when the Police are evidently part of the cause of the problem! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.121.174.34 (talk) 12:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Empty Force
It may be fake but that does not mean the concept is not notable and therefore worth inclusion. However, if looks like it may not even be notable. I resubmitted it to AfD debate.Articles for deletion/Empty Force (2nd nomination)Peter Rehse (talk) 21:14, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for saving me from damnation
I created the Cavendish Pianos website and ever since the owners have been pushing me to write a Wikipedia entry for it. As one of their employees this would have been a tad immoral, so I repeatedly put it off. Now that you have done it (and far better than I could have)they assumed that it was me, so I have been thanked, and felt that the thanks should be passed on. Unfortunately it does mean that I can't bill them for it (well, I could, but I won't) as that would be even more immoral.

Thanks for solving my dilemma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.198.251 (talk) 07:46, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. Pretty sure the owner knows it wasn't you as he was seeking help to get it created and uploaded the photos etc. --nonsense ferret  17:01, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Bad G3 nominations
TO be eligible for G3 speedy deletion, a page has to be an obvious hoax or vandalism. Pages that're almost certainly true definitely do not qualify, even if they're extremely unlikely to be notable. Similarly, pages that're very likely to be true should not be declined at AfC as hoaxes, because they're not hoaxes. There's a "nn" decline code for submissions with no demonstrated notability. Wily D 22:15, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * An article about someone's dog is probably never going to be suitable for the encyclopaedia (exceptions may apply), but that's no reason to engage in an egregious assumption of bad faith, and accuse a new user of hoaxing and/or vandalism when neither is remotely the case. Don't bite the newbies is good advice.  In an era when the foundation believes the declining rate of participation is a problem, you definitely should not be going out of your way to antagonise potential new Wikipedians. Wily D  22:18, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "notable" is a subjective judgement. A claim that someone's "notable" is not real falsifiable or verifiable, similar to "cool" or "friendly" or whatever.  If an article is not submitted to AfC, after six months with no work, it can be deleted under G13.  Consider also that decent articles may often be more than six months in development.  If an article is probably hopeless, consider explaining to the author why Wikipedia's commitment to a neutral point of view requires that a subject be the subject of independent publications, so it can be verified and written neutrally, etc.  Actual hoaxes, especially in the mainspace, are a problem.  True but trivial articles in the AfC space are not. Wily D  22:25, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the declines don't matter much, but the acceptances are somewhat important, and the cases of articles that aren't suitable for the mainspace, but where you can fix them, or even better, explain to the author how to fix them, are important. The foundation is pretty clear that they think the decline in new editors is a real problem, and every editors who's helped past the introductory hurdles is a big asset.  Just don't sweat the small stuff. Wily D  22:56, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Cavendish Pianos
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DYK for Lucy Deane Streatfeild
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WikiProject Articles for creation March 2014 Backlog Elimination Drive
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WikiProject AFC is holding a  month long Backlog Elimination Drive!

The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from March 1, 2014 to March 31, 2014.

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Welcome message
Hullo there! Just saw your purple AfC welcome message for your talk page and wanted to ask you if I could use a slightly modified version of it. Could I? Thanks! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 23:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure - I stole most of it, so I'm certainly not going to object.--nonsense ferret  00:17, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Drafts and sandboxes
Please use a sub-page of your own talk page for a sandbox and not the main space, as recommended in the Wiki guidelines. Alternatively, create the article as its proper name from the its beginnings. I have asked Draft:Mendel L. Peterson to be speedy deleted. Snowman (talk) 08:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * @Snowmanradio @Snowman I think it might be a bit too early in the morning for you buddy, wanna go and have a think about it? What namespace is that page in? And who put it there and why? --nonsense ferret  09:20, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I made a mistake. I have looked at the page history again, which is a little difficult to trace owing to two page moves. I have not seen "Draft:ABC" used in page titles before. I sounds like you are aware of this sort of page title, so can you tell me anything about it. Snowman (talk) 10:05, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * @Snowmanradio it's no biggie, see Drafts it is all new, intended as replacing AFC by those who think the project is failing. Some are pushing drafts into the new namespace to force the issue of tool support etc for reviewing, so i think you'll be seeing quite a lot more. --nonsense ferret  10:35, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mendel L. Peterson
--Allen3 talk 18:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
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Irn-Bru
Hello, Nonsenseferret! Regarding your on Jimbo’s talk page: the article is a list of flavours and flavourings, and Irn-Bru’s unique character is doubtless due to a specific blend of various components—several of which (girders aside) may already be listed. I notice that it does appear at List of brand name soft drinks products.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  04:53, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Miracle at Cardenrigg


The article The Miracle at Cardenrigg has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * This page doesn't offer any more information than what Tom Hanlin already has. I could not find any more information on this book, it has questionable notability.

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Reply to rollback of The Miracle at Cardenrigg
I understand you may have additional information in the reviews for this book, but if you don't add it to the page, then it's really a waste of a page. The fact that it was published in 1949 and had an author really doesn't make it notable to me. If it has two reviews as sources, include some information from them. Either way it doesn't affect me, I'm just trying to be neutral. Cheers JacobiJonesJr (talk) 10:01, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * your argument seems to justify deleting any stub article. This book was written about in multiple national reliable sources and therefore totally justifies the creation of a stub which is widely recognized as something which will encourage collaboration from other users. Further, Wikipedia does not discriminate against books just because they are from a pre internet age, and therefore unsuited to assessment by googling. You are out of step with the guidelines and I would suggest familiarizing yourself with them a bit better. --nonsense ferret  10:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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