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indonesian project
the right hand does not know whats the other one is doing with things as simple as categories or general maintenance - dont let me start ... as for afd's I could waste a vast amount of time explaining off wiki the many issues - as for geography - thenext 79,850 stubs are due at any time now the way things look:| JarrahTree 12:52, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's unclear what you're referring to here. Could you provide more context? North America1000 13:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * my ranting and raving about the issue of whether 80,000 + indonesian villages are inherently notable - and the right for new eds to randomly collect and play with un-notable locations - the project lacks coherence as to its various category trees and things.. JarrahTree 13:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the WP Indonesia talk page. I don't think I want to get involved in any of this at this time. North America1000 15:38, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

re: Portal:Scotland
Hi NA1K, thanks for your message about the portal. Sorry for not responding sooner, but I've not been very active recently. There's been a Covid-19 crisis involving a close relative which was causing me a great deal of concern for a while. Thankfully it's pretty much resolved and all OK now. I see that some hasty work by seems to have fixed it, so thanks to them for that, but having a look back in the history at earlier versions I can see the issue that you described. It's strange because it seems to be replicating an issue that was widespread a few months back, caused by some modifications that were made to the relevant modules code I seem to recall, but these were fixed after a Phabricator ticket was raised. I'm not sure if this is the same issue or not, I'll mention it to who was involved with the original issue. Thanks for bringing this to community attention and enabling a rapid fix. -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  19:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear about your crisis. Despite the headlines, most people recover quickly and I hope your relative is no exception.
 * Thanks for the ping. I don't know what caused the problem.  Other editors solved it while I was investigating, so I dropped the case. Certes (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear that all is stable after your relative's illness. Well, the Scotland portal is still rendering correctly as of this post. Also thanks to for stopping by. You both can feel free to keep in touch anytime. North America1000 16:48, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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Nomination of ITyphoon for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article ITyphoon is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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 * The new OOUI version will not work with Internet Explorer 8. This means the wikis will look strange and not work well in Internet Explorer 8. This was reported in Tech/News/2020/17. This is because keeping the wikis working with very old browsers creates other problems.

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IABotManagementConsole [1.2]
, I've used the IABotManagement Console a few times, which links internally here and externally where I've used it via toolforge here, (which includes an option to "Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional)") and up until a few days ago, only on pages where I am very familiar with the References (mostly articles I've created or contributed substantially).

While cleaning the article Mercy (Duffy song) (diff) posted on Cleanup, the bot edit summary was: (Rescuing 68 sources and tagging 0 as dead.) #IABot (v2.0.1).

I circled back to have a closer look at what the bot had done, (it has no option to verify before submitting), and to my surprise saw that it actually adds to References,  archived pages with "not found errors" aka dead links, that have been previously captured at the Wayback Machine! Unfortunately, I wasn't able to rollback my edit and spent almost 2 hours verifying each reference all to manually revert 2 of them.

As much as I like that tool, and knowing that you need to use it responsibly, I doubt that most will realize that the bot is adding dead archived links to References. I'm seeing more editors using the tool. Is there a reason to be concerned here? Thanks! —  W ILD S TAR  talk 20:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi I recommend contacting, the publisher of the script. There is also a link atop this page to submit a bug report. Regarding the references with links to archived pages then being marked as a dead link, it sounds like the script is trying to correct something that was already corrected, making the reference incorrect in the process. North America1000 14:19, 27 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Nb. See also: User talk:cyberpower678 § As IABot continues to create damage to the project, request to stop IABot until the problem is fixed. North America1000 06:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

White pizza
I split white pizza, I am surprise this didn't have an article until now. The article could use some expansion. Valoem talk contrib 22:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Archive subpages
Hello. Years ago, you created some redirects such as. We're considering deleting a. Several other respected editors also created /Archive pages, so I suspect that they have a purpose we've overlooked. Can you think why we might need them? Certes (talk) 21:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The redirect was placed in the event that someone selects the "Article" link, so that they're immediately directed to the actual article after accessing the archive pages. Looks neater than a red link too, imo. North America1000 01:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Do you want to add that point to the RfD, or shall I?  It sounds as if deletion may be harmful. Certes (talk) 11:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll leave it to you, as I don't really feel like getting involved in this matter. Essentially, it makes no sense to have red links on the "Article" links in the upper-left hand corner of archive pages. Why would we want red links there? How would that improve navigation? Sometimes it seems that folks are so intent on deletion, that sometimes deletion may be occurring for the sake of deletion itself. Even if such redirects have not been used yet, they may be in the future. North America1000 01:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with those points and will write something on the RfD. The redirect I proposed for deletion doesn't have a corresponding talk page; the ones which do should probably stay. Certes (talk) 10:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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Help me please with move
Hi! Help me please, brother, with moving Arena Sepsi to Sepsi Arena - that's the official name. Thanks! Rostadia2012 (talk) 18:22, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi : I recommend posting evidence regarding this at Talk:Arena Sepsi. I'd rather not perform a page move and history merge without first seeing this verified in a reliable source or two. If I'm unavailable, you can also request a page move at WP:RM. North America1000 06:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure. I personally created this article, and sometimes in Romania "arena" comes 2nd like in English and not 1st. Source from the Romanian Basketball Federation, this venue being for basketball. and another one from their local press . Thanks! Rostadia2012 (talk) 11:10, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi : ✅. The article is now located at Sepsi Arena. North America1000 15:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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Problems
 * The Wikipedia apps briefly showed pages without CSS last week. This meant they looked wrong. It was quickly fixed but cached pages without CSS were shown for a few hours.

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Move to Climate change
Hello. I think we're both patching up the portal simultaneously. I think I've completed the main page but /Intro and /News need attention. Shall I leave those to you? Certes (talk) 11:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So far I have only changed the intro header to read as the correct title. I am working on entirely other matters right now, and don't really want to get involved in page moves and cleanup/organization with all of this at this time. So, please feel free to continue as you have been doing. Also thanks for the notification on the portal's talk page. North America1000 11:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Mainly done, though there will be a few loose ends to tidy once we're sure of the page's long term title (and the fate of, , etc.). When you have time, please can you check the page overwritten by this move?  If it was a redirect with no history then no further action is needed, but if it was or had been an actual portal then it may have content worth merging.  I'm guessing that it was just a redirect, as there is no MfD page for it.  Thanks, Certes (talk) 12:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's a synopsis. There are no deleted pages existent for the portal, which would be viewable with sysop access if existent. The portal originally redirected to the Energy portal (link). No history merge appears to have ever occurred, which would indicate a potential for a page move from "Climate change" to "Global warming" if it were existent, and it appears that the portal was begun with the name "Global Warming" (example diff). This is further confirmed by a page more that occurred in April 2011 to change the upper-case "W" in the word "warming" to lower case (diff). North America1000 10:10, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It looks as if we're just about done then.  We should probably show a tree for  rather than  but  doing that naively messes up the format, so I'll leave it for the editors behind the name change. Certes (talk) 11:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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Changes later this week
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Recent changes Problems
 * Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete.
 * Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days.
 * Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed.

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Teahouse ping list
Hello NA1K, I don't expect you remember me, but we kinda, sorta, interacted a bit regarding Portal:Nepal back when I didn't know much about what Wikipedia really was, and it was one of the more pleasant interactions with a super-experienced editor I had as a newbie. So, you're always on my mind. Anyway, currently, I am compiling a list of editors by area-specific expertise, intended to be used by Teahouse regulars to make sure no query gets archived unanswered, by pinging editors in the list to hopefully help answer those questions. The draft list is currently at User:Usedtobecool/Tea. I was wondering if you'd be interested in being listed. I have you for portals only, currently, but if you'd be interested, you are free to add yourself to any of the categories in the list. The reason I ask, of course, is if you would rather not be listed, I have to know so I can remove you before the page is moved to project space and recommended for use. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:42, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I decline at this time, and have removed my name from the list you created (diff). My time on-wiki is more limited than it used to be, and what time I do have I plan on spending on other areas. While I appreciate the offer, I do not feel like taking on more new tasks at this time. North America1000 10:00, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's a shame, but please, no worries at all. Assuming the initiative goes on, hopefully, you'll be able to help out sometime in the future. Would you be able to suggest a few other users who edit regularly and also happen to have experience and knowledge about portals, so I can reach out to them? I have never even looked at anything in that area outside of Portal:Nepal, and I have a fuzzy recollection that Teahouse did have a few occasions to miss experts in that area in the past. I reckon I could post at WT:PORTAL, but I have had mixed results with those kinds of posts and I would prefer if there were a few highly active editors you could recommend, to try my luck with first. Best! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Some users who come to mind include, , and . Of course, you would have to ask them directly if they have any interest in participating in this project you are initiating. North America1000 04:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. Unfortunatey I can't claim to be an expert on portals - it's been ages since I've regularly edited one and I've forgotten the markup. If you need additional volunteers for things on that list I'd be a better fit for Arbcom procedures. But happy to help out with whatever.-- Euryalus (talk) 05:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have added you for ArbCom. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've not done much portal editing: 650 edits (plus many more to deleted portals – don't get me started on that), and mostly minor stuff such as disambiguating links. I did write a module which inserts excerpts from articles into portals, but even that has now been taken over by the official template editors. I'd be willing to help but I'm probably not the best person to ask.  WP:WikiProject Portals or the more concise WP:WikiProject Directory/Description/WikiProject Portals might suggest other possibilities.  Certes (talk) 11:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I am adding you to the list (at least until we can find better persons to ask; I find that reasonable ). Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Would this be a good wikiproject?
Hey Northamerica1000, I'm a bit starved for feedback and you have quite a lot of experience with wikiprojects, so I figured I'd ask you. Do you think this could be successful?

Basically, it's a page that I would be active on if it existed. What I have trouble estimating is how many others would use it, whether it would die out... and assuming that there are other people who would be interested, I cannot imagine how I would find such people or attract attention to it. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 20:41, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi : Comes across as functional. An immediate idea would be to expand the scope to cover all backlogs, including those that WikiProjects supposedly handle. Many WikiProjects have very little, and in some cases, almost no recent participation. Hence, expanding the scope of your potential project would likely be in order, and would also make it more attractive to editors interested in specific topical areas. Fwiw, there's WikiProject Council/Proposals/Backlog Countermeasure from 2010, which was never created for whatever reasons. I noticed you posted at WikiProject Council/Proposals, which is fine, but subpages of that page typically receive very little input, from what I've seen in cursory searches. I think that whole process should be tagged as inactive, which would allow users to boldly create projects in a more timely fashion and immediately recruit members. Regarding recruitment, I recommend using an invitation template. For example, see FD invitation. North America1000 15:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the detailed response. I was beginning to feel a bit discouraged by the lack of support for the proposal, even though that is only to be expected with it getting on average less than 1 pageview a day.
 * To your point about the scope: only backlogs actively being handled would be excluded, where "active" would be a relatively high bar. Part of my intent is that people who enjoy similar work will eventually go and form or revive a more specific project. But your suggestion is also an option worth considering.
 * Now, the one big problem I have is that if I made an invitation template, I would have no idea who to use it on! I cannot think of a single user who I have reason to believe would be interested. I mean, do I just arbitrarily select people that I know? But I know so few people!
 * If I just have, say, two other people who want to participate, I think I will move it into WP space and will be able to keep it alive. WP:WikiProject Council/Guide says I should get five, but it seems that that it was marked as a guideline without any discussion, and the addition of the 6 people minimum also ...? (I will shortly propose the "guideline" tag be removed) I figure that ultimately, it is MfD that decides whether a project is allowed to exist. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 18:39, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-41
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Recent changes
 * There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
 * You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page.

Problems
 * There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late.
 * Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).
 * Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in  is linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis.

Future changes
 * You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.

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