User talk:Ramitmahajan/Archive 2

Hi - India related links
Am not sure if you had these links with you under your previous user name, so am inserting them here - just saw your query on INWNB and I feel that, keeping in with the times, we should outsource it to adept people ;) --Gurubrahma 13:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Gurubrahma Lost 13:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Help needed
I just moved the exceptional newcomer award to my userpage. But now the next section starts beside the image and not under it. How do I make it go under the image. --Lost 11:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, simply insert  after the image code and you should get the results you want. Cheers, Tangot a ngo 11:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Anwar
Hi Lost! I have just been blocked and I am quite relieved, because I have a pretext for not editing. You know...I have been making small changes to wikipedia for over a year. My interest areas are India, all the Indian religions, including Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism. Personally though, I do not follow any religion. The talk pages of most of these articles are full of hate spam and therefore I was dissuaded from signing up. I was too scared to get involved into heated arguments, initiated mostly by fundamentalists. It just spoils the fun of visiting wikipedia, which is otherwise my favourite place to spend time. Only recently I decided to sign up...thought that having a talk page would help in a higher degree of collaboration with other wiki colleagues. But here I am getting involved in an argument. It is very upsetting. It was my bad luck that by accident I stumbled upon the Khalistan article and was too upset by the state of the article. I have no allegiance or contempt towards any community but I do have a lot of contempt for people who burn other people's houses to warm their hands. The problem in Punjab was solely attributable to such persons who encouraged other people to kill innocent civilians. All this while these people were themselves away from India in their comfortable homes in Europe, U.S. and Canada. Jagjit Singh Chauhan is one such example. Ripudaman Singh Malik is another. In those days, India did not matter in the International arena and most developed nations did their best to destablize India. In the process many innocent Indians have paid with their lives and those of their loved ones, some of who were the sole bread earners of the family. I can quote three times more sources than there already are in the article...just that I do not have the time right now. By the way, look at the quoted sources and you would realize the quality of the citations.

As for the Khalistan article, please note that before I started editing, it seemed as if the article is straight from the website of the Khalistan Liberation Force. All my edits are in good faith and I will continue reverting POV stuff once the block is lifted.

Till then thanks and have a nice day.

AnwarA 19:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * (my reply from his talk page) Hi Anwar, I am sorry that I could not reply earlier. I was busy editing another article and also in the real world. First of all, I am very relieved to see that you are back on wikipedia despite a block and didnt take it to heart.


 * I have read the Khalistan article myself quite some time back and also read the lengthy discussions on the talk page. I took a conscious decision to stay away from not only this but a few other contentious articles where I thought I would be adding too much of my own POV as I do have some strong opinions but little factual knowledge of the subject.


 * To see you and Thomas gave me lots of hope that two neutral parties may bring the article to a nice NPOV version. It was unfortunate that both of you got blocked for an article which you had good intentions for.


 * I do believe that your edits were in good faith and also that our friend Thomas was trying to maintain the citations as a neutral third party.


 * In a ligher vain, while recalling the debate, it did strike me as interesting that here we were, belonging to three different religions, hotly debating a topic which may be closer to a fourth religion!!


 * Please let me know if I can be of help on anything. I will try my best to help. -- Lost 17:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Eh, va te faire foutre
Notez s'il vous plait que c'est addresse IP est d'une service qui assigne des addresse IP statiques pour ces membres habitant dans le meme quartier. Pardonnez-moi si tu peux pas le lire. C'est pas moi qui a fait la vandalisme. Comprends-le. --219.91.152.10 17:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Can somebody please translate the above to english for me. I am very poor with languages :( -- Lost 17:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * He says that the IP address he is using is shared among several people in his area, and that it wasn't him who was doing the vandalism, and apologizes if you can't understand French. :) -Dawson 17:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Note: Try Googles translation tools they are not perfect, but they can give you an Idea about what the person is speaking about... :) Eagle talk 17:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Eagle. This is what Google gave me: Note if it plait you that it is address IP is of a service which assigns address IP statics for these members living in the same district. Forgive me if you cannot read it. It is not me which made vandalism. Include/understand it. Good enough, I guess :) -- Lost 17:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Rajat
Sure. Count me in. --Rajat Bhargav 06:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi!
Hi! Lost. Thanks for your message...and yes I am back. The block actually helped me take a break. I am sure it was very much within the wikipedia policy and I respect that. I have seen a lot of essays in the garb of articles on wikipedia that are used by fundametalists to advance thier nefarious motives. This just strenghtened my resolve to rid false anti-India propoganda. For me, religion is higher that community, country is higher than all religions, truth is higher than everything else. I have plenty of material on Punjab. Infact I do not need any source to write this article. Yet I am actively hunting for sources to provide neutral citations. I have already done some work on the Khalistan article since morning. You will see that the article will gradually take a pretty reasonable shape soon. Inshah-ALLAH.

And yes you can help...by NOT staying away from contentious articles, especially on India. You and I have an obligation to help, and if we do not intervene, truth will remain obscured. :-)

Thank you very much for your continued support. Jai Hind. AnwarA 18:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * (My reply copied from his talk page)::Don't worry. I have no intention of staying away from contentious articles if I have knowledge on the subject. Especially if I see blatant vandalism on such articles, I revert it very quickly. If it's POV, I usually take my time and try to be more thorough before jumping in. After all, as one of my good friends says - We are here to make Better than the Best -- Lost 18:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Dear Friend. I have absolutely full confidence in you. Thanks to people like you, wikipedia is already better than the best I guess; that is the reason so many of us are here in the first place. You have my full support in this noble endeavour. Please do not hesitate to write to me if you if you think I can of any help. AnwarA 04:20, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Copied from his talk page:Hi there my friend. I see you have made some contributions to the above topic and its talk page today. Hope you saw my inputs on the talk page as well. I have mentioned that I would not like to give any further inputs on that page but in case you would like me to do some research through google on neutral sources, I will definitely offer my services. I would like to see the article more neutrally written including both the Indian side's as well as the other side's arguments. Hope u can make it neutral -- Lost 16:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the award
Lostintherush, thank you very much for "The Barnstar of Life" award. It is greatly appreciated. Thank you again for your thoughtfulness. -Ahmed27 06:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

States
You can check the respective state-level categories to see the list that you want. For example Category:Cities and towns in Maharashtra. Look for sandbox articles that start with character 'U'. Once the merge and uncat is done, they will gone from the categories. Hope that explains. Thanks for the working on the list. I am going on a wikibreak. Please send me e-mail if you have any questions. - Ganeshk   (talk)  08:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * For new towns, Please copy and paste into the new article rather than a move. Thanks, Ganeshk   (talk)  15:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Anwar Ahmed
Dear Friend! First of all, I wish to admire your civility. My hats off to you! I am extremely upset by the offensive comments against you on the Khalistan talk page. I somehow feel responsible for that. I wish to offer my most humble apologies, though I haven't been spared either :-). I will continue seeking your help whenever need it, and your contributions will continue to be valued. AnwarA 03:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

 * Great article! I look forward to many more DYK's from you! -- Samir   धर्म 07:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Congrats Lost. See my comments and info at Talk:Mashobra. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks guys. Especially Sundar and Nichalp with all the help... -- Lost 07:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats from me too. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu Joseph10:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!!
Apologies my friend for replying so late. Thank you soo much for appreciating my work! --Incman|वार्ता 15:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Lost, Have seen you around quite a bit on WP:PINQ but never got the chance to talk. So just dropped by to say hi. I noticed that you are quite active on WP:HD and must say I'm highly impressed by your efforts there. Do you have access to IRC? If yes then why don't you join #wikipedia-bootcamp? Its a nice place to be with helpmebot and Tangobot giving real-time updates of users requesting help and new topics added to WP:HD & WP:NUH. Hope you can join the fun there. Also congrats on the above DYK! Cheers --Srikeit (Talk 17:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well if you use Mozilla Firefox, chatzilla is the best option as it is the best client IMO. You can follow the instructions here for setting up your connection. I think your best chance is through Xchat or Chatzilla. If you encounter any problems, please do contact me. Cheers --Srikeit (Talk 19:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Locator map accuracy
The towns on the border are kind of tricky. The dot is too big and the map is not 100% accurate. It just helps locate the general area. The locator needs the exact left, right, top and bottom and coordinates for it to be 100%. I just guessed those numbers. Nichalp and Deeptrivia mentioned this before. If you happen to know to exact the numbers, I can update them. BTW, great job with HP towns. - Ganeshk   (talk)  18:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Searching

 * Reference

Thanks!
Thank you! :-) -- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu Joseph09:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello Lost. Thanks for your revert to my talk page - it seems to be happening a lot yesterday that my computer logged me about about 25% of the time that I clicked a button. Anyway thanks for your support on the Srikeit RfA, and if you had my page on your watchlist, that's rather surprising how many people have it there. Anyway, since I'm involved in patrolling a four way religious and personal attack dispute at Shiv Sena and Babri Mosque amongst others, I've started a religion survey on my talk page, to see if I am obviously biased or not. Blnguyen | rant-line 02:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

From Sanjaya
Thanks for your apprciation. I removed the link because we, as wikipedians, would like to maintain this six sigma page in good shape; and one of us needed to set an example for the rest to stop the ongoing chaos. Good to discover a fellow Indian Wikipedian - would you mind connecting with me on e-mail - you can find it on my blog. Sanjayaksaxena 12 July 2006

Thanks from tpth
Just dropped by to thank you for your welcome :) Tpth 06:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Userpage vandalism
Hello Lostintherush. Thanks for the userpage revert. I'm getting popular I think? I think it is some guy with many IPs who got angry because I sprotected Pakistan and User_talk:Ambuj.Saxena because they were making obscene vandalism to his page and also put obscene comments about him on the Pakistan page and his portrait page. Many thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 07:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC).

Copyvios
If the copyvio is not in the current sections, then there is no need to worry. A lot of people drop by and cut and paste stuff from cricinfo into cricket articles, and they are just removed. If there is only copyrighted text and no original text then it would have to be deleted. In this case, it appears the copyvio has been superseded, so I don't think there is a problem. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 02:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm trying to place copvio warning on only the ones that don't have orginal text, but occationally the orginal text gets to mixed in with the copyvio stuff.--Rayc 03:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Belated Thanks and apologies
Thanks for your advice about the tag. It has been very useful to me. :)

And sorry for thanking so late :(

--Sshankar 06:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hullo
Greetings.

Just read your message. Well, to tell you the truth, I know some points about the two personalities you have mentioned.

I know that Maharaja Bhupinder Singh - also called Maharaja Bhupinder the Magnificient, the father of Yadavindrah Singh, was a six foot four inch tall figure, with a beard that was always tightly rolled in a net. His most (in)famous contribution to the Royal House of Patiala, was a harem, which added greatly to the mystique of the Maharajaahs as they were called in the West.

About Lord Horatio Kitchener, well the most famous aspect that I remember about him was that after the Anglo-Boer War(1899-1902), he ordered the victorious British troops to burn Boer homesteads en masse and had old Boer men, women and children herded into compact structures, where many died due to starvation and neglect. The name given to these structures, would become infamous throughout the world forty years later when the Nazis overran Europe - Concentration Camps.

About Chail, well I know as much as you do that Bhupinder built a palace here. I am sorry, but I don't have any idea about l'affaire Bhupinder and Kitchener's daughter.

Give me a day or two. I can definitely try to find out.

Regards. Rajatjghai 19:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Image syntax
Hi,

Thanks for replying to my question. I followed through the page and it looks like the right one for the information, but I still couldn't find the exact syntax for what I wanted. I'm not really bothered any more though, just wanted to thank you for helping. Kris 10:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support in my recent RfA!

 * Thanks for your confidence in me, I won't let you down. :)  ~Kylu (u|t)  02:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for launching me!! Buntygill 07:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your help and the links i need to get started --JLM 00:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Thanatosil
Hi...I got your message on my talk page (thanks for launching it by the way!), but I'm confused. The edit I made was just to the formatting for the stub tag on Zira so that it would show up with the phrase "This article about a location in the Indian state of Punjab is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it"...as it was coded, the template wasn't expanding.

Did I help or harm your effort? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thanatosil (talk • contribs)

Ok, now I understand what you did and mostly why, but what is the reasoning behind not completely removing the stub tag instead of leaving it display as 'IndianPunjab-stub' in the article text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thanatosil (talk • contribs)


 * Thanks for the explanations and for passing WP:BITE with flying colors! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thanatosil (talk • contribs)

I have replied on the user's talk page. - Ganeshk   (talk)  19:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Castes and Tribes of the Punjab
Hi. I am asking your opinion on this festering dispute that has developed between myself and Satbir Singh since the past few days.

The facts of the matter are like this:

I created a template called Castes and Tribes of the Punjab with a view to studying the caste and tribal groups that exist in what was the ancient Punjab region (Punjab (Pakistan), Punjab (India), Haryana and Himachal Pradesh). My intention, unlike any Ibbetsons, Todds or Cunninghams was to study these groups from a purely anthropological perspective sans any controversy so that people visiting this portal would get to know about the huge mosaic that my province (I am a Punjabi) is.

I started with a few groups. But soon enough the groups began to increase. For the sake of brevity, I grouped them under Categories. As the template evolved, I learnt not to name any category speculatively.

The final categories were:

Brahmin groups. Dalit groups. Jat clans. Khatris and other groups. Rajput clans. Shaikhs and other groups. Tarkhans and other groups. Others (groups to which i could not attribute any specific status). In the last (Others), I also included groups such as Kamboj, Khasa, Ahir and Gujjar. However, Satbir Singh separated them and bunched them under a new category called "Surviving Ancient Kshatriya Tribes".

Since that day, a revert war has been on between the two of us. According to Satbir, these groups such as the Ahirs (the ancient Abhiras), the Gujjars (Gurjaras), the Khas (the Khasas), the Kamboj (Kambojas) and Yadav (Yadavas) are ancient Kshatriya tribes mentioned in a number of ancient Sanskrit texts.

My own personal opinion is that all this is true. However, some points must be noted:

The Varna System is a topic subject to a lot of controversy and dispute. I have been noticing this in recent weeks. Pages such as Khatri, Rajput, Kayastha and Bhumihar have been vandalised because many people don't agree with the Varna status of these groups. If the Ahirs, the Gujjars, the Khasaa, the Kambojas and the Yadavas are Kshatriya groups, then so are the Rajputs, Jats, Khatris, Tarkhans et al. I did not create a category entitled "Kshatriya groups" in the first place because I knew I was treading on soft ground. All the above mentioned castes claim Kshatriya status. But we all know, how disputable these claims are. The rigmarole that is the Varna System is known to us all. For example, the Jats, who in the Vedic and Mythological periods were workers should be placed in the Shudra Category under the Varna System. But many Jats clans consider themselves the equal and perhaps the superior of Rajputs as adhrents of Kshatriya Dharma. My own caste, the Khatris and related groups such as Aroras claim Kshatriya status. But we have seen on the Khatri page as to what became of that claim. Ahirs, Gujjars and Yadavs are considered to be OBCs in most Indian states inspite of their being the descendants of ancient Abhiras, Gurjaras and Yadus. There is a controversy raging on the Yadav page presently if I am not wrong, on the status of the caste. Taking all these points into consideration and being aware of the fact that there are users (say Sanjay Mohan and Holywarrior, who have caused great disputes on various caste pages, I proposed categories such as "Kambojs and related groups" (Kamboj, Kamboja, Kamboh and Khasa) and "Gujjars and realted groups" (Ahirs, Gujjars, Dhangars and Bakarwals). But Satbir Singh and another user named Sze cavalry01 objected to it. They returned to "Ancient Kshatriya Tribes". I did a little compromise by making it "Ancient Warrior Tribes", which I later realised would also be POV. Therefore, I changed it to just "Ancient Tribes" - A completely unspeculative term.

However, Satbir Singh does not agree. He calls it a "gross suppression of known historical facts", "a crime against history" and "a political agenda" and has termed me a "Vandal". I have put forward my points. But both of us are yet to agree.

I have fighting a revert war with him for almost a week now. Have a look at the template's history page and Satbir Singh's talk page to get a complete idea of the whole fracas.

This fight has become downright silly. I surely don't expect myself to spend my time, money and energy on such a silly matter. And I am sure neither does the other party.

As of now, Administrator Shresth has protected the page on my request. He has also asked that the dispute be discussed on the talk page of the template and a consensus be reached. Yourself and anybody else you know who has an interest in the Punjab, please come and express your opinion on the talk page. Even if the Punjab is not your area of interest, the dispute is still an NPOV dispute. So please express your thoughts.

Regards. Rajatjghai 05:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have given my comments on the template talk page -- Lost 05:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks for replying.. So I just have to wait until the next search update?? THanks again.. Imoeng 12:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Zira DYK
Thanks for the contribution. I enjoyed reading the article. Cheers -- Samir   धर्म  00:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Samir. For the record, the article was actually 'not created' by Ganeshbot -- Lost 02:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Zira DYK
All credit for the DYK should go to you. Congrats! The bot simply created a template. Appreciate your thoughtfulness in sharing the award with the bot. I have to get back to the bot article merging project and also new program to create missing towns based on pin codes. It's been some time. Thanks, Ganeshk   (talk)  16:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: External links
RE: Hi! Please do not add irrelevant and promotional links to wikipedia. See External links for out policy. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  05:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC) I have removed external links added by you to India for the above reasons. Please see the policy -- Lost 13:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Lost,

Thanks for your note. I tried to find relevant text on India page to link to the valuable data resource, but I could not. There was no paragraph pertaining to Indian data. The links that I added to India page were the World Bank Group (international donor organization with mission to reduce global poverty) product sites on India. None of them are promotional sites. For isntance, Doing Business in India, is a flagship product of the World Bank that provides objective measures of business regulations and their enforcement in 155 countreis. Thanks to this report many country governments conduct various reforms to imporove the business and investment climate of the nation, including India. If you still think that this page is not relevant, let me know. Ramin 10:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
(moved barnstar to userpage)

Thanks for the welcome.
Thanks a lot for your welcome to Wikipedia. I see you're involved in a lot of projects and I hope to do the same. Your answer to my question also really helped me out. Thanks a bunch. -Dark Kubrick 11:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Lost!
Thanks a lot for the warm welcome ;0)

I will definitely try to implement all the valuable suggestions given by you, and give my best to make wikipedia even better! --Anandpiyer 12:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)