User talk:ReaderofthePack/Archive 28

Daniel Keys
Greetings Tokyogirl79. Thanks for deleting the above article. I should have nominated it for speedy deletion. Thanks for blocking the Ice Kid user for socking and abusing multiple accounts. I was going to open a case at WP:SPI. I have a feeling that the user might attempt to re-create the article again. I think the page should be protected in order to prevent its re-creation.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 09:48, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries - it all got sorted out in the end. I do share your concerns that he'll come back though - he's apparently been active since 2012, so that's not the type of person who gives up easily. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:57, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Section blanking
Hey, wasn't quite sure why you blanked out a substantial portion of Starbomb that went over their overall formation and release history. I'd included it since this is sort of par for the course with group acts and it also helps combat a proposal that we only have articles on the albums and not the group. I've reverted it but I did keep some of your content, specifically which member does what and the notation about what type of songs the group performs. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  16:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Woops. I think I just deleted the history part without even noticing. Embarassing :P My apologies. However I'm not sure about which names we should use in the article. The trio is credited to their real names, but in the songs they soemtimes use on-screen names like Sexbang, Ninja and Egoraptor. ~Hyliad (d), 18:04, 15 June 2016 (CEST).
 * No problem - I figured that it was something like that. I'd been editing with visual editor, which is a little squirrely at times, to say the least. I've actually had times where I'd save and the edits would show up, yet when I tried editing it would try to send me to a prior history for at least a good minute or two. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  16:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The names kind of caught me too - I wasn't sure whether or not to use their Wikipedia article names, their real names, or their screen names. I figure we can use the moniker style in the article and maybe their Wikipedia article names in the infobox? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  16:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well it seems that they are credited to their actual names. So I think we should refer to them under their real names, but in the lead, call them Dan "Danny Sexbang", Brian "Ninja Brian" Wrecht and Arin "Egoraptor" Hansen. Coz since they mention it directly in the intro of the first album, it would seem weird to not feature those names as well.~Hyliad (d), 18:15, 15 June 2016 (CEST).


 * Sounds good! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  16:19, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Terms of Block
Hi, it's LordStarscream100. I've been trying to get unblocked and you told me that I had to make such a request "on the talk page of the blocked account and while logged in as that user". While I intend(ed) to follow these instructions, due to the fact that you blocked my account I was unable to log into it and edit anything - including your talk page. It's not that I ignored your request - I had no way of fulfilling it, so I made the best with what I had.

Hope we can resolve this.

--LordStarscream100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.146.113 (talk) 00:35, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * STOP POSTING ON MY TALK PAGE. Not only is this NOT going to get the desired result (an unblock), it looks very, VERY bad. It's to the point now where I have to assume that you're deliberately ignoring what I say. What you need to do here is very, very specific. You need to log into the LordStarscream100 account and post an unblock request on that talk page. Not mine. Not the IP address. But the LordStarscream100 talk page. Neither I nor anyone else will unblock you until you have done this and no amount of posting on my talk page under an IP will change this. This is one of the most basic, fundamental rules of getting unblocked. You must request an unblock on the talk page of the blocked account while logged in as that user. You would still be able to post on that talk page under that account while logged in as that user. You are not supposed to post anywhere else. This is very clearly specified on the talk page and I've told you what you need to do several times. At this point I have to assume that you either can't or won't follow these directions, which makes me believe that you're simply not ready to edit Wikipedia if you cannot follow the very simple guidelines for requesting an unblock.
 * If it's just that you don't understand and nothing that I'm saying is making sense, then it's a case of you being far to young and/or inexperienced to edit on Wikipedia. If that's the case then you need to come back in a few years when you have more experience. But if it's a case of you willfully ignoring guidelines, then that's something that time likely won't fix and in which case it's not a good idea for you to edit Wikipedia at all. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:52, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Weird case
Hi TG, hope all is well. I noticed some discussions at User talk:FAMASFREENODE while looking around at some of ThePlatypusofDoom's edits. I don't know anything about this editor, but it's odd to me that they've got a scant 3700 edits under their belt, but a mere half hour after they started editing in April, he's participating in AfDs, five days later participating in ANI discussions and starting oddly world-weary opinion pieces like How to fix Wikipedia, MyWikipediaViewpoints, His position on RfA standards, an essay on why he hates RfA... Seem weird? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:53, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm... that is a little weird. It's possible that he's someone trying for a fresh start under a new account, but if he was someone blocked for bad reasons then that'd technically be block evasion. You think that the two might be related? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:08, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not know. Just might be something to keep an eye out, especially since some of his recent edits have been questionable, like this improperly explained blanking of sourced content that drew my attention, and another editor recently complained about a reversion of his... I guess time will tell all... or nothing at all. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

You've Got Mail!
Please check your email :) MarPatton (talk) 06:35, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Your opinion is requested.
A page you redirected late last year has been recreated. I tried to find coverage but all I could find is. I don't think it meets the notability criteria but I'd like your opinion on if it should just be redirected again instead of being taken to a different venue. (or the refs provided may show notability and it's fine as-is)  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   10:00, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can find. If we can find sources this go round it might pass. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:00, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks like it just barely squeaks by with the CSM review, but just barely. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:27, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for clearing that up!  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   07:52, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Your comment on the Inspire project related to the banned editors
Hi. I read your comment on the Inspire campaign page. It seems to me that your concerns are twofold:
 * 1) (Main concern) Non-disclosure by thekohser of banned status and non-disclosure of affiliation with Wikipediocracy
 * 2) (Slight concern) Canvassing on Wikipediocracy

Here are my thoughts on the first point:


 * Notice that the page includes an "oppose" section; in many of the Inspire campaign pages, the oppose section is moved to the talk page.
 * Perhaps you were not familiar with Greg Kohs, but most of the people on the page are. I can guarantee that every single one of opposers is familiar with Kohs' history. Some people explicitly oppose the project because it is being carried out by Kohs (like Smallbones), while others' opinions are definitely coloured by his background. Not that there is anything improper about this: a person's background is perfectly fine thing to consider.
 * Both on the talk page and the main page, people have brought up Kohs' history. See for instance, the comment by BethNaught dated 5 June. See also Smallbones' comment dated 9 June.

Or to look at it another way, consider the following thought experiment: suppose this same idea had been proposed by a totally neutral, clean person. Do you think there would have been fewer or more opposers?

As for canvassing: note the following sentence here: An idea's placement in this list does not signify that it is better or worse than any other idea, and the number of endorsements an idea receives does not determine whether that idea will be selected for funding. Indeed the Inspire campaign is primarily a place for brainstorming and getting support from interested people. Kingsindian &#9821; &#9818; 19:02, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware of him, however even with his infamy in mind, it's still something that should've been disclosed up front when he posted his idea. People shouldn't have to search for information like this or rely on others to post this information, to be honest. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:16, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't argue with your opinion of what should have been done; that is a subjective matter. However, I find the disclosure point very weird. It is the norm on Wikipedia to be anonymous: I don't know anything about you, nor do you about me. For all you know, I could be a sockpuppet of Kohs (I am not). In contrast, we have a person here who uses his real name, and one whose history is very easy to find, both on his own Wikipedia user page, as well as the Inspire page and the talk page. Kingsindian &#9821; &#9818; 10:12, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * It's a slightly different aspect in this scenario, given that they're asking for funding from the WMF and this was set up like it was going to be a scientific paper. In this type of situation transparency is just sort of a given since a lack of transparency in a study/paper of this type can easily cause it to become discredited. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:38, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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email
I thought maybe I should give you a heads-up that I sent you an e-mail. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:37, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I refuse to enter a subject header
I just created an article on a topic you may be interested in: Kitty Horrorshow. She's an indie video game developer who makes experimental horror games. It sounds like interactive fiction with surreal, 3D dreamscapes. Kind of surprising that nobody created this article yet; there's a lot of coverage out there. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sweet! I'll take a look at her games! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:47, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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Help request
Would you please take a look around for source material for Art Supawatt Purdy? The author is earnestly trying to make a good article and it is on an old Thai actor so even if he is notable sourcing will be difficult. I can not find anything significant but you have found things to save articles that I have missed in the past. The author has added some material since I nominated it for AfD but with what I can see of it there is nothing that would make me comfortable withdrawing my nomination (no one has !voted yet so it would SK) I value your opinion and would very much appriciate any help you may be able to give. J bh Talk  00:00, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yikes. It definitely needs editing for tone, at the very least. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:00, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to look through the article and particularly for taking time to write out a source by source critique for the author. Even if the article can not be saved maybe they will be able to learn from it and take that knowledge to write another article. J bh  Talk  19:11, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

thanks for the redirect
The heading you redirected Beyond Unbroken to was incorrectly formatted so I added an anchor at the location. The article is locked otherwise I would change the target. Thanks. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:53, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm... thought I did it correctly - I formatted it so it'd go directly to the specific section. What did I get wrong? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Re photo collection
We decided to preserve the photo negative collection I mentioned to you a few months ago through Radford University - Farmer Photo Collection]. About 2500 of the 100,000 or so photos have been digitized so far. It is searchable here and browsable here. They are licensed for non-commercial use and if an editor needs a more permissible license for a specific picture or set of pictures I can ask the estate. J bh Talk  00:00, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * (drools) So cool! Have you given any thought about contacting the Library of Virginia about donating any of the digital scans or hosting any of the physical images? I know that they'd love to get some of them, plus they might be helpful with an ongoing project that the education department is working on, the Document Bank of Virginia. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:36, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I do not think anyone has contacted the Library of Virginia. We tried the Virginia Histrorical Socity but they could not handle the number of films. The Document Bank looks interesting. One series I found (not in the Radford collection) was in a scrapbook of advertisements for the studio over the years. Each a portrait of a woman wearing an Easter bonnet which, incidentally, shows how bonnet styles changed over the decades. (Not something I am really interested in but I am sure there are American Studies types out there who are interested in such things) As far as I know, all of the physical images at Radford are negatives so if the Library wanted items for display they would be prints from scans or new photographic prints. There are so many types of images I do not know what they may be interested in, nor yet how to find them.  J bh  Talk  19:30, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Do you want me to reach out to them and see what they might want? I can act as a go-between of sorts. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, please do check with them. I would be interested in knowing if they would like to work with Radford or if they want to display some photographs or collections. I must stress that I can not speak for the estate though. (I did mention the idea to my mother (one of the heirs) and she likes the idea.) Thank you. J bh  Talk  14:21, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Re: your note about my username (digitalmaven)
(1) I am not Annie van Bebber, nor do I have any connection to her or her business. (2) I have been using this nickname on other sites since the mid- to late-1990s, and I was not aware of her existence when I first used it. (3) I do not represent any sort of corporation or clients or other moneyed interests, and my edits have never been -- and never will be -- on behalf of anyone like that. (4) I first registered this username on Wikipedia in 2004, and no one has complained about it or pointed out any issues in the ***12 years*** that I've had it. (I'm not sure what has suddenly changed now.)

That said, I will try to change my username if something more worthwhile is available. However, you should be aware that this kind of thing is not exactly encouraging me to remain on the site or continue participating. Added to the other unpleasant experiences I've had on this site, it doesn't really make for a warm and welcoming community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitalmaven (talk • contribs) 23:55, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You've got to understand - you have an identical username to a marketing company. Your edits didn't immediately raise suspicion, which is why I reversed the block. As far as the username remaining for 12 years, you also need to understand that there have been a great, great many promotional usernames that have survived over multiple years because the users either weren't active enough to get noticed. What raised suspicions was that you edited on a page that is currently up for AfD (The People's Book Prize (UK)) and is one of several articles written by someone looking to promote a person on Wikipedia. While this isn't resounding proof of promotional editing, you can see where there would be suspicion of possible COI editing. You have an article linked to promotional editing and you have someone with a username that's identical to that used by a marketing professional that specializes in internet marketing. It's not really all that unreasonable to have some concern that it could be this person doing some mild editing for people that she represents, especially since this does happen on Wikipedia quite frequently. We have had several cases of marketing people editing with promotional usernames that didn't get noticed until years later. Part of this is because until fairly recently (last 3 years or so) paid editing wasn't as big of a problem as it is now. Scrutiny has grown only more intense over time and I think that part of the reason why you didn't really get noticed before then is because you edited so sporadically and lightly. I'm sorry for the mistake but there was a reasonable amount of evidence to be concerned over potential paid editing. Even if you had been the marketing person (you have said that you are not) that wouldn't have been a big problem since the only issue would've been the lack of a COI declaration. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:58, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Japanese sources
Hi, can you read Japanese? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbow Archer (talk • contribs) 05:48, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not - I'm as American as people can come. I ended up choosing my username after my favorite Ace of Base song. It was either that or "Barbie Girl" after my favorite Aqua song and I kind of cringed at the idea of using that. I've knocked about the idea of changing it to something else, but offhand I'm too well known under this name. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:53, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * GatoPardoBrasil1.jpg (talk) 12:07, 26 June 2016 (UTC)"]]
 * I won't then. :)  Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Question about reverting of an administrative action
I have just discovered that about a month ago you restored the article Madaari, which I had deleted. I find this very surprising, for the following reasons:
 * 1) You gave the reason as "there does appear to be enough sourcing to justify an article", but that seems to me to be totally irrelevant, as the reason for deletion was nothing to do with lack of sourcing: it was creation by a block-evading editor. The relevant speedy deletion criterion is "Creations by banned or blocked users", not "Creations by banned or blocked users without adequate sourcing".
 * 2) You stated that the restoration was "per a request from the sockmaster". I wonder how that can be justified. The whole reason for having "Creations by blocked users" as a speedy deletion reason is so that block-evading editors learn that they don't get away with evading blocks, as any work they do is just lost: teaching them that in fact they do get away with it, by simply getting another administrator to reverse the deletion, completely undermines that reason.
 * 3) It is normal practice for an administrator to consult another administrator before reversing his or her admin action. On the rare occasions when I believe there is a good reason to reverse another administrator's action without first consulting him or her, I at the very least do him or her the courtesy of informing them afterwards of what I have done. Perhaps naively, I thought that other administrators would normally do the same. (The only exception I can think of offhand is when I reverse an action by an administrator who has not edited for a very long time, probably a year or more.)
 * 4) A fact which makes all this far more surprising to me than would otherwise be the case is the fact that you actually wrote "I know that's a bit contentious" about your action. If you knew that what you were doing was contentious, then how on earth could you even consider doing it without consulting, or at least informing, the person whose action you were reversing? The policy on administrators says "administrative actions should not be reversed without good cause, careful thought, and (if likely to be objected to), where the administrator is presently available, a brief discussion with the administrator whose action is challenged"; there is no doubt whatever that you knew that what you were doing was "likely to be objected to": that is evidently what you meant by "I know that's a bit contentious". Even if you were ignorant of the fact that the policy says that, I am sure that you know well enough how Wikipedia works to know that in this situation you should have mentioned it to me
 * 5) Finally, the thing which really makes this most surprising of all to me is that in the past I have always found you to be one of the most level-headed, reliable, and cooperative administrators, one of the last ones I would have expected to act without informing the other person involved in a situation of this kind.

I am aware that there is a danger that this message may read a bit like an angry rant. It is, in fact, more in astonishment than in anger that I write it, but in writing, without tone of voice and facial expression to go by, the two can seem very similar. In any case, I shall be very grateful if you will explain to me why you acted in the way you did, and whether you believe you were right to do so. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:41, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm editing from my phone, so pardon any autocorrect errors. Ultimately you're right, I should've asked you first. However at the time things had not grown as bad with that specific editor and at that time I was more willing to believe the editor's claims that they were an inexperienced editor who just didn't really know better. I was suspicious, but not nearly as much as I am now. At that point in time I still had some faith that they could edit in a beneficial manner in the future and thought it would be a good teachable moment and a sign of good will. A carrot, if you will. I need to check my notes to him, but I think I told him that this would essentially be a one off and that I wasn'y going to let him edit through me. The article wasn't all that bad notability wise, so I thought it'd be a reasonable one to restore, since it provides an example of a better sourced article, since one of his issues was sourcing to establish notability.
 * After that point things went rapidly down hill as we began finding more signs that his ignorance was the result of him deliberately disregarding rules. Ultimately this was a poorly thought out attempt to show some good will and hopefully get an editor on track since again, at that point I still had hoped he could learn from his mistakes. Since then my opinion of him changed dramatically, to say the least. I probably would've gone back and deleted it, except by that point I admittedly forgot about it in the face of the editor's tone and claims after that point in time.
 * so the basic gist is that I let my compassion overrule my common sense, something that likely led to the editor thinking he could get away with even more. I'll try to write more explanation soon, but this is the gist of everything.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:18, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the explanation, and you don't need to give any more explanation, unless you would like to. I do understand everything you say, and your comment about compassion is totally in line with my impression of you: one of the things I like best about you is that, unlike many administrators, you are always willing to consider the point of view of editors who have come up against Wikipedia policies. I believe I am more often willing to give second chances to blocked editors than most admins, and you seem to be even more inclined in that direction than I am. I still think it was a mistake not to consult me (as you have agreed) but I don't see any need to pursue the matter any further. Incidentally, although there is no really convenient way of editing from a phone, I find that although the mobile version of Wikipedia is better for reading on a phone, the desktop version is better for editing, so if I want to edit from my phone I first scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the "Desktop" link. You may disagree, but I thought I'd mention it in case you haven't tried it and would like to. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I'd agree with you on that - it was a little difficult trying to type and find all of the various things on my phone, some of which I'd have been able to use if I'd switched to desktop mode. I definitely prefer editing via a computer. As far as this all goes, it definitely taught me a lesson the hard way. (sighs) I ended up having to just revoke email access from that same editor - that scenario turned into one large cluster, if you know what I mean. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

J. Ramezani
I am not sure about this and would appreciate it if you could take a look. I suspect this is the same situation that you took care of in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gratitude and the Good Life: Toward a Psychology of Appreciation. Following the various links only enhances my suspicion that games are being played.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:14, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone got to it before I did - offhand the name alone gives him away. The book AfD was interesting since I tried reporting this to Amazon as plagiarism and I ended up having to get the authors involved, as Amazon didn't want to act on my say so alone. Despite painfully obvious evidence of plagiarism. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:14, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes thanks - I should have just waited a bit.Peter Rehse (talk) 07:00, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries - it's never a bad idea to ask around about this sort of stuff and I do try to stay abreast of this guy's actions for the most part since he's a little abnormal as far as our hoax sockmasters go. We'll have people try to claim stuff, but he's the first one I've seen that actively tried to steal someone else's work and did so in a manner that was so blatantly obvious. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:34, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Could you close this AfD?
Hi, it's obvious this AfD is disruptive and all the votes have been to speedy keep. Could you please take a look?  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:41, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Done! It looks like Google maps shows that the area is populated. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:49, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

4our
TokyoGirl, thank you for the explanations, I am from the station concerned, so copyright is not an issue, but no doubt I could rewrite this with the relevance (numbers) and someone would still find cause to delete it for yet a third time, so I doubt I or anyone else at the station will waste our time any further with wikipedia, thanks. Ressy (talk) 03:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)ressy66
 * Ressy, copyright is still an issue since we cannot accept copyright release statements posted to Wikipedia itself. To give Wikipedia permission to use the material you'd have to get the copyright holder (the station owner) to submit a ticket through WP:OTRS. As far as the numbers and proof of notability go, all you have to do is provide an independent, reliable source that backs up the claims and as someone who works with the station, you'd have the best ability to find and provide these sources. Checking with the Australian version of the FCC would likely be the best way to get this information, as they tend to list at least some of the material needed to prove notability and the government would be seen as an independent and reliable source. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

re: Patricia Matthews (politician) - Thanks for the Restore but someone deleted it again.
I put the request in to restore the file 3 days ago and confirmed it was back at 1am MST today. This morning I went to go to work on it and it was deleted again. I have put a request in to get it restored again but in case you are the one that ends up doing the restore, I wanted you know that I did not delete it... very odd.

Thanks for your help :)

Calgarytech (talk) 21:07, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi! Did you check at Draft:Patricia Matthews (politician)? It looks like it was moved multiple times by different people, so you might be looking at an older page that came from the page moves. On a side note, I just realized that your username does somewhat imply that you're editing on behalf of an organization like a tech company, so you might want to change your username if you're not affiliated with anyone. If you are, you'll need to disclose your WP:COI and choose something that reflects on you more as an individual, like "Calgarytechguru" or "Robin at CalgaryTech". Offhand I don't see any huge issues with your editing if you do have a COI since you're doing pretty much all your editing via AfC, it's just that Wikipedia can be a stickler about usernames and has grown more strict about them over the years. This is the type of username that might not have been noticed prior, but might nowadays. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:52, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Vikram Singh (Actor)
Tokyogirl79 Hello, I am sure you are doing great. Please help me with the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram_Singh_(actor) Vikram Singh. Citation issues have been highighted, date of birth, siblings, occupation has been removed and restored back to older version. The client or I have not made any changes, can you please help in restoring the original version back. Many thanks in advance.--Piyushratnu (talk) 11:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Piyushratnu! I didn't see a source on the page that backed up the date of birth and his family (siblings and parents) which is what Wikipedia would need to have that info if it gets challenged, which it was. Hmm... per WP:BLPSELFPUB we can use sources that are published by Mr. Singh himself, so if he wanted to or could put out something (like a Twitter post) that explicitly confirmed the missing information (DoB, family, birth location) then we could probably use that unless someone really has a lot of doubt about this. I guess I could send out tweets asking him about his family and the other basic information and he could confirm it? It'd be something like "Mr. Singh, when and where were you born?" and he could reply something like "Thanks for asking - I was born on 12 May 1979 in Jamshedpur to Manjeet and Rita Kumar." It's obviously me looking for information for Wikipedia, but I could tack something on like "asking for Wikipedia". I think that this should be OK, but it'd be better if this info was published in some place like the Times of India, since then it'd be far more difficult to contest. Let me know what you think. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear Tokyogirl79 He will reply to your tweet, no issues in that. However Times Of India, or other publishers might not publish his parents' name as it is not as important as his projects or films. If required I can submit his passport, Pan Card to confirm his idenetity as per Indian Law, please suggest and then we can move ahead as per finalised plan of action. Thank you.--Piyushratnu (talk) 06:09, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me ask at OTRS if that can be used to verify something. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:15, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I posted - hopefully they'll go for that. I seem to remember us doing something like this in the past, so hopefully this can work for things like his birthday and birth location. I've also asked if this could be used as a way to verify his Twitter account at the same time, which is more just me trying to get as much protection/verification for any tweets as possible. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear Tokyogirl79,Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piyushratnu (talk • contribs) 06:50, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

You've got mail
 Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   07:19, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Hrishikesh Pandey (Director)
Dear Tokyogirl79, I want to create a new page for my client Hrishikesh Pandey (Director), how should I proceed ahead, I have all the details with me in word format ready. Please suggest and help. Thanks in advance.--Piyushratnu (talk) 07:23, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * A good place to start would be the draftspace or AfC, since there's slightly more leeway and we could both work on the article there. I'll start a draft in my userspace at User:Tokyogirl79/Hrishikesh Pandey (director) and we can work from there. I'm assuming that it's the same person as this director? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes you are right, Tokyogirl79., please check your email, I have sent all the details. --Piyushratnu (talk) 07:52, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I received the email and I'll try to start working this in - however we would need to have good sourcing to show that he would pass WP:NCREATIVE. This is somewhat of a tricky situation here since it looks like there were attempts to create an article for Pandey in the past and at some point there was sockpuppetry involved, meaning that 1-3 specific people opened up multiple accounts to get the article created. I don't think that you're part of this group, but it can make it very difficult to get an article created, especially if the sourcing isn't very strong. I didn't find much for him when I searched, but it's possible that he could have received coverage in another language. He did create a song for a government project, but there isn't enough coverage of that to show that it would make him notable for that alone. I must warn you, it might be a long while before this page could be moved to the mainspace, if ever. This is a situation where I'd probably draw in one of the admins that deleted the prior versions, just to make sure that they're OK with it if we get enough sourcing. We need things like news articles about him. The only one I found was one by IANS that was reprinted in several locations, so we definitely need more. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I got your point, Tokyogirl79. Yes you are right previously he hired someone who tried to do it for him through his own ways and couldn't succeed. Hence now he has approached me to create for him. I will try to find as much sources I can get for him, then let us start work. Till then we can keep it on hold. Thank you for your detailed analysis and information. As always, thank you so much.--Piyushratnu (talk) 10:05, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem - I just wanted to let you and your boss know what you're in for with this article. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:07, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Near Dark (unfinished film)
Hi Tokyogirl79, can you please edit this page and make the following change:

to

This will allow the WikiProjects to track this as a relevant non-article page rather than a Stub-Class article. Thanks! PC78 (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Done! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

RM: Balasuriya
Hi, I'm trying to move Balasooriya to Balasuriya as a more common spelling, but the target has been set by you at a pretty high protection level. Would you be able to help with that? Uanfala (talk) 11:31, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems ok - it looks like I'd protected it against someone who was trying to spam Wikipedia with their biography. I'll move it for you. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Closed AfDs
It wasn't obvious it was closed! Sorry. :: Kevinalewis  : (Talk Page) /(Desk)  07:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Just be careful, since the AfD had been closed for about 2-3 days prior to your edit and was marked in blue, which designated it as closed. Other than that, no true harm or foul here. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:35, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

an afd closed or not?
Hi Tokyogirl79, i am confused (more so than usual:)), an afd doesn't appear to have been closed properly? the revision history of WikiProject Deletion sorting/Literature shows that on 9 july the afd for No Cross, No Crown was archived by anomiebot, but clicking on the entry it appears to still be open - Articles for deletion/No Cross, No Crown, oh, on checking the afd history i see that an editor has reopened it?, not sure why, should we be revisiting it? thanks, Coolabahapple (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks like the editor just wanted to add a "me too" to the AfD, so there's no reason to re-open it. I don't see where the user was warned about this, so I'll go drop a friendly note on their talk page. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:43, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks:)Coolabahapple (talk) 09:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

help!:)
Hi Tokyogirl79, I've just reverted some edits by User talk:24.29.56.4 at The Cat Who Went to Heaven as not useful. on looking at their edit history, all of them have been reverted for similar reasons. are you able assist? thanks, Coolabahapple (talk) 05:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC) thanks, here is some cake for all your hard work. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:22, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, that is some bizarre editing. I can't even figure out why they're doing what they're doing. Normally there's at least some justification for what someone does, such as outright vandalism or someone who means well but doesn't really have a good grasp on editing and writing for whatever reason. This is just fairly random text. I've given them a short block, but I don't anticipate it really doing much since they edit so infrequently. At the very least this will at least show that they've gotten some sort of official warning and block, so we can justify longer blocks in the future if they continue. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

You've been nominated!

 * Thanks Tim! I received one a while back, so I don't know if I can get another one (although I'd love one in a slightly smaller size, since I've lost a bit of weight since I got the other shirt), but I really appreciate that you nominated me! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hope it's not admin stress related! ;-) Keep up the good work.Timtempleton (talk) 05:02, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * LOL, no - thankfully it's not! :) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:03, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Although I'll probably lose more now that I've got Pokemon Go on my phone! XD Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:03, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

About 123people - you beat me to the speedy decline - worth going to WP:AFD or not?
Hi again TG79, You beat me to the speedy decline. I was writing this speedy decline


 * Since this article's creation in 2010 it has had multiple issues, as can be seen on the article page. As right now, there is a new issue: the website (and presumably the company behind it) have announced that it is defunct.
 * It has now been nominated for speedy deletion. That the website is no longer in operation appears to me not a valid reason for WP:A7 deletion. A casual google search yields "About 1,230,000 results", mostly in sources that would not be considered reliable, but also in reliable independent sources such as The Sydney Morning Herald and The Wall Street Journal.

in my usual pompous self-important lawyer way calm, knowledgeable and and patient way.

Do you think it is worthwhile to go to AFD about this? Or should we just leave it as it is, and apply maintenance tags where appropriate?

Piet van Nieuw Holland aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I dunno, to be honest. The majority of the sources are unusable, but the rare gems of sources make it seem like it might possibly be notable. I'd run the foreign language sources through ye olde Google Translate, but I'm about to leave work and I won't really get back on until tonight. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:40, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Donovan Shavis
These socks keep coming, and there are so many now that I have filed WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Tshavis to keep track of them. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 10:43, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

user Evadowdinternational coi?
Hi Tokyogirl79, sorry to be annoying wikikit but (theres always a but:)) can you have a quick look at Articles for deletion/Anis Jouini and User talk:Evadowdinternational, i think there may be some coi going on and so have left messages on the editor's talkpage and mentioned it at the afd, thanks Coolabahapple (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I left them a message on their talk page going into a bit more detail. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:57, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks, (and thanks for the tshirt nomination:))Coolabahapple (talk) 10:46, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Garden Reach
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;Garden Reach&mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Ejaz92 (talk) 08:20, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Ejaz92 (talk) 08:20, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

08:24:59, 15 July 2016 review of submission by 5.168.85.183
Hi! Thank you for your review on my page "Sustainable Jewellery". I'm not paid by anyone, I'm doing a college project for my Consumer Culture class and I'm supposed to write a Wiki page for that. I'd like to know if there are some parts that you think should be completely deleted or changed and how. Is the sociological part okay? Thank you.
 * I'll try to take a look at this soon! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

New Collaboration
Hello T.G. it's been a while since I have updated you on the progress of our previous collaboration, I Drink Your Blood. Just want to let you know that I have already incorporated what I have done so far on the draft page into the actual article itself. However its still needs a little more work done to it though, namely giving proper citations to unsourced material, updating citations, and expanding the section on the film's controversy. At the moment I am finished with the article, and I am leaving it up to others to further modify and expand it. I am also working on a new article to collaborate on for WikiProject Horror. It is the article on the infamous horror character Leatherface which is pretty significant but, unfortunately, it is in a state of severe underdevelopment and suffering from poor writing and few sources. My plan is to expand it significantly so that it reaches its full potential, and quite possibly become a featured article like the one on Jason Voorhees. However, for this particular project I will need the help of as many editors as possible since the level of expansion needed would be too daunting for any one or even three editors. Like our other collaboration, I have already created a draft for the use of expanding the article which I will include the link here. Let me know whether or not you would be able to help expand the article on my talk page and see if you can get other people on this. Thanks for all your help.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC) Yeah I know what you mean. Although WP Horror does have some life in it, like my other collaboration, finding active participants is very difficult. I am not even going to attempt to find help from WP Fictional Characters since that place is pretty dead as well. Thanks for the suggestion and the help though.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I can try seeing if I can expand a little. I think that a good place to start with looking for others will be WP:FILM, since WP:HORROR is pretty dead, no pun intended. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

AfD instructions are a bit confusing
On the AfD page it says under "Procedure for non-administrator close (other)":
 * "For a result "Delete", "Merge", "Redirect", or "Transclude", the procedure is basically the same, with the differences listed in WP:Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions".

This gives the impression that non-admins can close as delete, and on Non-admin_closure, under "Inappropriate closures" it says:
 * "The result will require action by an administrator: Deletion (except for certain TfD discussions)".

That's the opposite, if I'm understanding it correctly.. From experience, I've found that what the WP:NAC page says is what people normally act on, should the short line on the AfD page be changed to something like:
 * "Non-admins are not allowed to close AfD discussion as delete, but they are allowed to close discussion as both redirect and merge.". --  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:42, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmm... that's a good point. I'd mention this at WT:AFD, as the NAC page says that the main exception for deletions is at TfD. At the very least there should be further explanation on this on the NAC page, like they can close it as a delete if the page was deleted by an admin and they didn't note this on the AfD page. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've made a discussion here.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   09:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia and United Nations Women Project
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Hey!
You're up, that's good news. i have a favor to ask: I'm doing a preliminary investigation into a suspected sock farm, I see you blocked one of the accounts (here) related to Articles for deletion/Rajesh Bhatt. I think the account is tied into the collective. Can you take a look at Sockpuppet investigations/Rajeshbhatt director and offer an opinion on the material there? You may catch something I missed. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks like it's related to, so they might be part of that lot. I'll take a look. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Indigenous women & Polar women editathons
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Thanks
Leaky Caldron  09:03, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

My Little Pony movie draft
You can put the My Little Pony movie draft back. It has the sources you need. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Solidiance
Hi Tokyogirl79, Could you please help me list it for deletion review for Solidiance? I am confused as to how to do it. Thanks so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashwinkhan (talk • contribs) 10:23, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Have you asked if he'd be willing to userfy the content? Per the guidelines at deletion review, you have to first approach the deleting admin before going to DRV. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:22, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, what is your relation to and ? Were you hired to come and create the page or are you one of the above accounts returning under a new name? Your WP:COI must be disclosed. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

>Hello, there!
Hello, Tokyogirl 79, I appreciate your work on the page I recently created, "Amazing (Foxes song)." Honestly, I really wanted to name the page, "Amazing (Foxes song)," but that link had already been taken for the use of a redirect. I tried to delete the redirect, but did so unsuccessfully, thus I was subsequently forced to name the page, "Amazing (foxes song)," much to my profound poignance. So I'm just so glad you fixed the matter. And I just wanted to show my appreciation with a kind thanks in return.



Sincerely, >Infopage 100.   —Preceding undated comment added 07:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem! It happens and you went about the right way to request a page move, so no worries. :) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:41, 7 August 2016 (UTC)