User talk:Robert McClenon/Archive 41

European Colonization of the Americas mediation
I am formally asking for your mediation and agree to all of your rules. I have already written to the people I accused and apologized but DeCausa stil refuses to mediate. I feel like they discriminated agaisnt me and he feels that I was disruptive. I think, after reflecting on your words, that we are equally wrong. However, I think that I am not going to get the block lifted because they really have an issue with me. This happens to me alot, partly due to my disabiltiies and difficulty communicating online. §cbinetti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbinetti (talk • contribs) 22:11, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Cbinetti - You may request mediation at DRN. Follow all of the instructions, including notifying the other editors.  DeCausa may or may not agree.  If there is discussion, it will only be about article content, and comments about editors will not be permitted.  The next step, if you wish, is for you to request moderated dispute resolution of article content.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:20, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I do need being unblocked to be part of this. My character is being attacked. How do I defend myself without discussing the false accusations of DeCausa? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbinetti (talk • contribs) 23:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Cbinetti - No, you do not need to have a partial unblock from editing the article lifted in order to discuss article content. I have not reviewed the history of your block and am willing to take a look at the history, but the content of the article can be discussed without discussing DeCausa and without discussing the partial block.  There are two separate issues, the content of the article, and conduct issues.  What I am willing to do is to discuss article content only.  Do you want to discuss article content?  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I’ve just noticed this thread and I’ve posted a reply on Abecedare’s talk page. You may have got the wrong end of the stick. I wasn’t actually in a content dispute with Cbinetti in the way you think. Others were in a dispute with him about the issue since Decemeber. My involvement was about his edit-warring on 11 June. DeCausa (talk) 21:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Zabihollah Kohkan
Hello, Robert,

I think some editor has altered your source chart on this AFD discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 06:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - Yes. And not very plausibly, because I wouldn't have provided the chart if I thought that there were so many independent secondary reliable sources.  Thank you for letting me know, and for relisting.  I will take a careful look.  Robert McClenon (talk) 13:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yuck. I've reported it at WP:ANI.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz Well, well. I ended with a sock block.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Draft
I think now Draft:Kishore Mahato is ready to be moved on mainspace as i have added some reliable sources and extra information as he is national player who has already played T20 International and ODI too. Please let me know if need to fix or add-up anything more. Regards, DIVINE   📪  08:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Bad template on your meta profile
Was browsing simple and saw your name, clicked and found you have a red template as your meta page. Not sure if you care, just letting you know. Slywriter (talk) 15:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 9, 2022, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, firefly  ( t · c ) 11:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Michael Pollack


Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Michael Pollack".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 22:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - This is actually interesting, rather than just being a case where I can poke fun at Twinkle. The draft was probably a redirect to Michael Pollack (musician), because I accepted and renamed the draft.  The search for expired drafts didn't notice that it was a redirect, or, probably, didn't pay attention to the fact that it was a redirect to a different title.  Redirecting a draft to the same title is common, and is what is done when the reviewer accepts the draft.  But we already knew that.  Interesting.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Dewey Case
I went ahead and closed the Dewey case- upon reading the talk page and teahouse case- there does appear to be off-wiki harassments (ish?) (attempting to contact on FB) and one of the users involved literally wrote the book in question on the topic. So..... COI. That combined with the less than 48 hours discussion time- that's just not a case that is going to be fruitful at this time. They DRN filing did get another user interested- so maybe they will head on over and form a consensus. If not- it belongs at ANI for a book author deciding they WP:OWN a page they wrote about off wiki. Or using an article to WP:SELFPROMOT their own book. The only disagreement is on if the comment about the book the editor wrote- winning an award belongs in the article. :-/Nightenbelle (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Nightenbelle - I haven't yet read the Teahouse case. I did notice that Flahistory was asserting their ownership of the article, but I noticed that after I had made a comment on the case.  I will look at the Teahouse, but I agree with your closure.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:25, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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Regarding Draft:Allen Career Institute
Hello, how are you? I read that you suggested that this draft should be allowed to be reviewed. Can you or someone else lift the admin requirements so that if someone wants to review it, they can? Thank you so much! Mtpos (talk) 13:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Mtpos - I don't see where I requested that the title be partially unprotected. I see that the title has been admin-protected (salted) for six months.  I agree that downgrading the protection to extended-confirmed would be a good idea, but please either show me where I commented on it, or make a request to one of the protecting administrators.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)


 * You are right Robert McClenon. You didn't. I shouldn't have assumed. Sorry! Mtpos (talk) 16:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I have trouble following this. Robert, you proposed here that a review of the draft should be allowed. I'm sure you know more about the review process than I do. Does that process depend on the article being unprotected? Isn't it the draft (which in this case has never been protected) that's reviewed? I'm somewhat unwilling to unprotect the article before review, considering how many times it has been recreated and re-deleted. Look at this long list, from which I get the impression that the Allen Carter Institute has been trying for many years to get an advert on Wikipedia. Could you please explain to me how the review process works, and if/why the article would need to be unprotected first? (PS; I protected the article indefinitely in 2016 - I don't know where "six months" comes from.) Bishonen &#124; tålk 17:19, 17 June 2022 (UTC).
 * User:Bishonen - I will try to explain. First, I think that I meant six years rather than six months.  The title was indefinitely salted six years ago.  Second, as a general matter, and this may be a personal eccentricity to which I am entitled, I don't like to review a draft that I can't accept even if I want to accept it.  I don't like to review a draft if the title is admin-protected in article space, because I can't guarantee the author that I can accept it, or that my request to unprotect it after review will be granted.  I don't want to make a Technical Move Request for the administrator to accept the draft as an article, because then the administrator moves the draft into article space, and it requires tedious cleanup that is normally done by the acceptance script.  Third, however, in this case, given the history, I can see why any draft should be reviewed first.  I am not sure that I want to be that reviewer, but I can see why we don't want to downgrade the protection.  That is why.  I just don't want to waste my time reviewing a draft when the title is locked.  Is that sort of an answer?  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Mtpos - I will be making the conflict of interest query on your user talk page. I certainly don't recommend that anyone review the draft until the COI inquiry is answered either with a disclosure or with an explicit disclaimer.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If I were to review the current draft, I would decline it and would use the template compsays. I might also ask the author to provide the three to five good references, because it appears to have been reference-bombed.  But I am not reviewing it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Robert McClenon, I have responded to what you posted on my page. I don't have a problem with you rejecting - I think it's a part of process and create platform for discussion. I picked few good sources and presented them at deletion review. Should I put them here again? And I feel what you are saying...a reviewer will not feel interested if they know their review still needs many next steps...But I also note and acknowledge the concern of User:Bishonen. What to do? Mtpos (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Just wish to understand a little
Greetings @ Robert McClenon,

Coincidentally I happened to reach Articles for deletion/Warina Hussain. May be subject does not pass notability as of the day so I do not have any question on that.

A very detailed table got me curious about. What does column 'Independent' signifies?


 * a) Whether it means sources are not Independent and directly / indirectly influenced by the actress/ person?


 * b) Or it means Whether it means sources are not Independent and directly / indirectly influenced by entertainment industry?


 * c) Or it means Whether it means sources are not Independent in their political outlook and political outlook of the respective sources have some relation to entertainment industry in this case?


 * e) You mean something else.

In either case I would like to understand your view just out of curiosity if you do not mind to share with me.

Thanks and warm regards

&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39; (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * User:Bookku - That's a good question, and I will be replying to you at the Teahouse so that I have the comments of other experienced editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

it wasn't a joke
I got your review on my article (the unknown man who named burgers) and I have one thing to say IT WASNT A JOKE, THAT PIECE OF INFORATION HAS BEEM PASSED DOWN THOUGHT GENERATIONS, my mom told its real and that my great great great great great grandma had dated him, so yes I could've been related to the man who named burgers. I just wanted to pass the information on people outside my family but you wouldn't let me do that!!!! so I would like you to post the article on wikipedia and say your sorry cause it WOASNT A BAD JOKE IT WAS REAL MY MOM EVEN TOLD ME!!!!! what are thoseeeee — Preceding unsigned comment added by History231 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Motorsport Icon: Jim Derhaag
Can you please help support or assist, we have reviewed all citations and they are valid. Jim is a significant figure in sportscar racing, please confirm. Thank you. Helpfulmod (talk) 15:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Helpfulmod - If you are asking about Draft:James Derhaag, the footnotes were not and are not properly formatted. I said that if you needed advice about references,  you could ask at the Teahouse.  The footnotes in Draft:Jim Derhaag are properly formatted, and the two drafts should be combined into one.  But ask for advice.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I have tried the help option but not sure how long the wait is to chat with someone...? Appreciate the reply! Helpfulmod (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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2022–23 Inverness Caledonian Thistle F.C. season Main Article deletion
Hi, you left a message on my draft article about it being declined because there was already an article on it, however for whatever reason the Main got completely deleted for no reason sometime last night, there wasn't a discussion, no AFD, nothing. I'm not sure if this was a case of butterfingers by somebody trying to delete the Draft or whatever, but at the end of the day, it's not a massive issue, as I've updated the draft to mirror the (old) main article.

Anyway, as said, the draft article's been completely updated, and if there's any way to fast track it through the reviewing to fill the void, it'd be greatly appreciated.

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Hey, I'm sorry to bother you. I have something to say to the second editor here. I'm confused about how to answer it, and is there a specific format for this? Thanks very much. Regards, Satnam2408 (talk) 16:36, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

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Draft: Arknights: Endfield
Hi！I noticed you helped figure out some problems with the draft I tried to submit. I understand that subjects on Wikipedia need many references to support them. When I was writing the draft, I take Zenless Zone Zero's, Honkai: Star Rail's, and Granblue Fantasy: Relink's wiki pages as references because they are all upcoming games. So I tried to match the number of references to those published pages. About the notability part, I am not sure if over 40,000 followers on Youtube and Twitter are enough, but since this upcoming game share the same name with Arknights, a game that has 270,000 followers on Twitter, I think that might kinda help it match the requirement on game notability. Those are my personal opinions, and I am glad and willing to discuss more on how I should modify the draft. Reedemmna (talk) 08:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft:X=Prem
Hi! You reviewed the AfC submission for this article back in March. Since then the film got released widely, and had reviews in newspapers/websites. Would you mind having a quick look? Thanks! Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Question
Mr. McClenon: I came across a section where you accused me of "If this isn't sockpuppetry, it is some sort of meat coordination.'"  I didn't even know what sockpuppetry meant! I have never coordinated anything, ever with anyone on wikipedia! It must have been an example of two editors thinking the same thing at the same time. Why did you not ask me directly?

Suspected sockpuppets Karagory (talk+ · tag · contribs · logs · filter log · block log · CA) ( Clerk note: original case name) TestingSwype (talk+ · tag · contribs · logs · filter log · block log · CA) Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour. This is not an open-and-shut case that can be decided by the duck test, but it is a strange situation. Karagory first edited in 2008, but made a total of seven edits between 2008 and 2020. They then began editing Peter Navarro on 3 January 2021, and then reported a content dispute involving the Navarro article at DRN. TestingSwype began editing on 2 January 2021. The only edits that they have made have been to their sandbox, and to volunteer at DRN, and to mediate the Navarro dispute. If this isn't sockpuppetry, it is some sort of meat coordination. Request Checkuser to see if they are the same person. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC) Respectfully, Karagory (talk) 00:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Karagory - I didn't ask you because it was clear to me that something improper was going on. Creating an account, making a large number of edits to their sandbox, and then trying to mediate a dispute was improper.  In fact, User:TestingSwype was a sockpuppet of someone else.  It wasn't a case of two editors thinking the same thing.  You made some edits to Peter Navarro and then opened a request for dispute resolution about Peter Navarro.  Another editor appearing out of nowhere to mediate the dispute was improper.  Either you were involved also, or you weren't involved in the misconduct.  It turns out that you were not involved in the misconduct, but only happened to be where it happened, and there wasn't a conduct dispute after all.  That is why I didn't ask you.  It isn't useful to ask an editor if they are involved in misconduct.  Is that an answer?  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Karagory - I was mistaken in thinking that you had anything to do with it. I still don't know what the puppeteer was trying to do.  I apologize for thinking that you were involved.  I made my sockpuppet investigation quietly, behind the scenes, which is how this is usually done.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mr. McClenon, looking back seeing everything that you saw, I understand it could potentially look and be bad. However, your initial quess was wrong!  I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I want you to know that so that you do not block someone incorrectly in the future.  That would be awful! For the past 15 years, or so, I only used wikipedia for technical information which doesn't have much controversy; this other part of wikipedia kind of sucks. I use my real name because I don't believe in hiding behind my words; I want to know when I am wrong.  In any case, thanks for taking the time to make wikipedia a better place for people like me. Karagory (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Khae Rai
Hi, I wanted to wait until the DRV closed to ask you this. In your comment on the DRV you said, "This was a poorly written close that reads more like an !vote than a close..." You aren't the only one to have said something like that in that DRV. I was wondering if you would help me see how my close reads more like a !vote than a close? How could I have worded that better? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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The draft of the Noah Zuhdi entry (Draft:Noah Zuhdi) is my first for Wikipedia. I felt like I had a well-rounded list of sources (ranging from ESPN to university records to boxing organizations to boxing industry sources to the most widely circulated publications/periodicals in Oklahoma) that were properly cited. I only have one account. So, I'm intrigued by and hoping to find out what was meant by your feedback on my page: "Comment: There is a history of sockpuppetry associated with this draft. If this draft is resubmitted, please check the history and determine whether the submitter is quacking. If so, please take appropriate action, which may include filing a follow-up sockpuppet investigation.

This does not mean that the topic is not notable, and it does not mean that the topic is notable. If this draft is resubmitted by a neutral good-faith reviewer, it may be reviewed and accepted based on its content and sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)"

Any guidance you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Przybylop (talk) 18:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Przbylop - On further looking at the draft, I see that I probably should not have put that tag on the draft, and may have been acting hastily. It appears that it was the previous reviewer of your draft who has been blocked for sockpuppetry, which doesn't affect the draft content.  So I will remove that comment, and will also remove the comment from the reviewer (because the reviewer was a sockpuppet), and will allow someone else to review the draft.  It still might be a good idea to ask for advice at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:39, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

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Nova Scotia
Hello,

It deeply, deeply saddens me to see the dispute resolution closed. I had no access to internet because I got caught in travel issues crossing back home into Canada, so I was unable to respond. I truly believe this is an issue with the content of the article, namely the abject erasure of relevant history and equivalent treaties (and more than enough historical and contemporary source material to back this up). There is a history of the other editor, Moxy, erasing Indigenous content for nebulous or tenuous reasons, and I would humbly ask that you re-open the discussion. Danachos (talk) 20:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Danachos - It appears that you requested to open a DRN case when you may not have been ready to take part in dispute resolution, which requires that you respond to the moderator within 48 hours. It now also appears, to my embarrassment, that if I close a case, a bot makes an edit to it to request its archival, and I don't know how to reverse that.  So I will see if I can prevent the dispute from being archived as closed.  However, I will assume that the case will be archived as closed.  What you can do, and I encourage you to do, is to resume discussion at the article talk page.  Please ping Moxy.  Please also ping Headbomb, who became a minor party in the case.  After there is discussion, you can make another request for dispute resolution.  Please try to make an effort to plan to be able to take part in the case; I understand that you were without Internet access.  So, resume discussion at the article talk page, and if that is inconclusive, you can open a new dispute at DRN.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Danachos - I think that I have tweaked the closed case so that it will not disappear. Resume discussion on the article talk page anyway, and then we will see whether dispute resolution can be restarted.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Darn it! It really is difficult to participate without consistent access to internet...
 * Of course, I will follow your direction with the talk page. However, I find that discussion there becomes very one-sided. I plead my case, provide sources, etc., and the same one or two users (cited in the DRN) shoot down any attempt at good-faith dialogue with the same excuses seen in the DRN. I will attempt once again on the talk page, but I am unsure how to proceed with minimal internet access (sometimes none for days at a time, if not a week) and with minimal external input in the matter Danachos (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Danachos - There is not much advice that I can provide about how to change an article with minimal access to the Internet. Wikipedia has been characterized as one of the crown jewels of the World Wide Web.  You might be able to get more informed advice about your problem at the Teahouse.  I suggest that you ask at the Teahouse if anyone has any advice for editors with inconsistent access to the Internet.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Futurism


Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Futurism".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 01:32, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Editor's refusal to source team season pages
I commented on your AfC note on User talk:Bremerton98310. This otherwise productive user rarely responds to comments (and when they do never seem to sign). What they do is mechanically crank out team season articles, so I don't really want to impede them, truly. The subjects are presumed notable and their effort is appreciated and needed, especially in realm of women's sports coverage. But given the repeated similar comments on their talk page over their entire editing history about failing to reliably source such pages, I was wondering what you thought the best way forward might be. BusterD (talk) 04:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I have an idea......
So we are getting a lot of too soon disputes on the DRN..... what if we made a sub-page where editors could ask for a mediator to keep an eye on their discussions as they are happening? Maybe step in and help mediate discussions on the talk page while they are happening and help them avoid the DRN alltogether? This would give the toosoon people a place to go- and also maybe help keep discussions from escalating- what do you think? Nightenbelle (talk) 17:20, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Nightenbelle - Sounds reasonable, but sort of novel. I think that I will put the idea forward at the Idea Lab.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * oki doki. Nightenbelle (talk) 18:51, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Nightenbelle - It's at the Idea Lab. Your comments are welcome.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:30, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Robert?
Can you kindly elucidate on where I made the disruptive modification and how you left the tag on my Userspace? At the very least, I deserve to know that.  D IVINE  18:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

ANI
Since DIVINE has failed to notify you, you should know there's a thread that they've opened at ANI here PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I was about to do it when you notified me on ANI, but thanks from my side.  D IVINE  19:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * AN*, not ANI — VersaceSpace  🌃 19:04, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hey, just a reminder when moving pages to draft space, please always remember to wait at least 15 minutes before moving. Remember, the page must have no evidence of active improvement per criteria 3a of WP:DRAFTIFY. This, this and this , while proper draftifications for stuff that doesn't yet belong in the mainspace, the two latter cases still had users working on it. In the off-chance that the user can bring it up to scratch in 15-60 minutes, please wait just a little while before taking decisive action. Thanks, CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 05:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

2022 monkeypox outbreak/Statistics
hello @Robert McClenon, 2022 monkeypox outbreak/Statistics is an article again, but don´t remove it this time because it is now a Rederect to 2022 monkeypox outbreak. Cabin134 (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Cabin134 - Subpages are not allowed in mainspace. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:59, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Pathaan (2023 film) and Draft:Pathaan (film)
I noticed your action upon Draft:Pathaan (film). After your rejection a new user came up with a new AfC of the same topic, Draft:Pathaan (2023 film). The account is only used to create the film's new draft See contribution, contrubutions. I have declined the new draft and the author commented on my talk page regarding my action which seems fishy, See discussion.

The user started working for the draft on the same day of his account registration and have done the draft like an experienced editor and he is claiming that he is from France. Can we check the location of the account? My strong assumption is both drafts are created by same person with alternative accounts, ie; WP:SOCKPUPPET.  O n m yw a y 22  talk 12:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Onmyway22 = I also think that there is a coordinated effort to advertise the film with a listing. However, the reason that David Teckdens replied on your talk page is that you questioned their good faith publicly with a note on the draft that you suspect sockpuppetry.  Saying that an active editor may be a sockpuppet is a personal attack.  Either file an SPI or leave it alone.  We know that David Teckdens is not User:Cambria Math.  Either there is some other sockmaster, or there are multiple humans who are being paid, which is UPE, or the director has ultras.  Do you have a specific sockpuppet concern?  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon I have the same thought like you that this might be a promotional campaign for the film. I read your reviewer comment that the topic might need a topic ban if the draft submit again without establishing notability. So the editor is just only created. In addition I didnt aware about that sock personal attack. Thanks for the reply  O n m yw a y 22  talk 15:57, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is my draft page of Pathaan has been merge with another one ? I didn't make the other one for god sake ; that's why wikipedia nowadays has been decreasing for a long time, you are making bullshit with contributors with your assumptions and suspicions - and you think you help the website ; Pathetic David Teckdens (talk) 17:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * So If I follow your reasoning, If I don't contribute to others topic and only to that one , I'm promoting that movie... this is the most stupid reasoning I have ever seen David Teckdens (talk) 18:03, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * just check the IP adress you dumbass David Teckdens (talk) 17:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:David Teckdens - We don't know who you are insulting. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:David Teckdens - If you have a question about the merge, address it to User:Scottywong who performed the merge? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Calling people names and insults is a very quick way to get yourself blocked here. Please calm down and be courteous. See WP:NPA. Your draft article was merged because of a discussion that happened at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Pathaan (film). If you disagree with that result, there are ways you can appeal. However, considering that there is already an existing draft that duplicates your draft, your efforts would probably be more valuable if they were directed at editing Draft:Pathaan (film) instead, since there's no legitimate reason for two editors to work on two duplicate drafts of the same article in parallel. If you'd like to use any of the material from your old draft, it is still accessible in the revision history, or by going . If you have any other questions, please feel free to (politely) ask them here and include to make me aware of them.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;—  20:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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About my article
So, how will I make my draft Vaneé an appropriate article for Wikepedia? I know that you said I don`t have reliable sources. What sources are reliable? I checked the citing sources page and I still don`t get it. So can you explain to me how? Erdan5 01:48, August 6, 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Erdan5 - The article in question is Draft:Vaneé (Star Wars). In the future, when asking for help about a draft, please provide the name of the draft.  I suggest that you ask at WikiProject Star Wars about what are reliable sources on Star Wars.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

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Ikaw ang Liwanag at Ligaya
You speedy deleted the page, please check the sources. If they are okay, please leave it as is
 * User:SeanJ - The reviewing administrator will check whether the article is substantially the same as the article that was deleted in 2022. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I added multiple sources to prevent deletion. As I check the AfD, that time there were only three sources, and now, the sources are already nine (as of 8/9/2022: 3:56 am UTC). Hopefully the article will remain published. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 03:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ikaw ang Liwanag at Ligaya
Hello Robert McClenon. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ikaw ang Liwanag at Ligaya, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: This version is better sourced than the last one, sufficiently different to pass CSD. Take it to AfD if required. Thank you. Ged UK  08:18, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Non-admin opinion on ANI
Hello Robert. I see that you're a very experienced mediator. I would appreciate it a lot if you could attempt to provide a third opinion/mediate/whatever you wish, on the report titled "Disruptive editing and edit warring by User: ZaniGiovanni in many articles" in ANI. Thanks a lot. zenzyyx (talk) 18:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:CANVAS @Zenzyyx PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Praxidicae Hi, I do not see a WP:CANVAS issue here. I didn't ask Robert to write anything in particular, only notified him of an ongoing ANI post which I would like to have him comment on. Thanks. zenzyyx (talk) 18:33, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've commented on it.
 * Robert McClenon (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon Hi Robert, thanks zenzyyx (talk) 20:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Reception on Back in the Crib
How would i know the page was messed up by a sockpuppet. I meaan, i don't know if it needs reception or not. the show is already out and The Boss Baby: Back in Business doesn't have a Reception part in it. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 18:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:BMA-Nation2020 - I am not saying that you should have known that there was sockpuppetry. I was noting as a fact that there was sockpuppetry.  The draft was moved to article space by an account that was then Checkuser blocked, and then Mrs.SnoozyTurtle moved it back to draft space.  Television shows should satisfy general notability, which involves significant coverage by multiple independent sources.  This is usually the Reception section, although it can be some other section.  Your draft does not, in my opinion, satisfy general notability, at least at this time.  The comment about sockpuppets is there so that if it is moved to article space again by a non-reviewer, a reviewer can check whether the non-reviewer is a good-faith editor or another sockpuppet. I invite you to ask for the comments of other experienced editors at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

IP user reverts my edit? What should I do?
Hi, sorry to bother you, but I'm rather inexperienced. An IP user is reverting my edit. He did twice in a row. How should I handle such situations?

Perhaps related: I had the exact same issue on the exact same page with a now-banned sockpuppet. AkisAr-26 (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:AkisAr-26 - Stop edit-warring. Both you and the IP are close to 3RR.  Maybe you realized that you were about to cross the line and asked for advice instead, which was a good idea.  Discuss on the article talk page.  There has been no recent discussion on the article talk page, Talk:Greeks for the Fatherland.  If the IP discusses with you, then continue as decided by the discussion.  If the IP does not discuss after you ask them on their talk page to discuss, then you should request semi-protection, but do not do that until you have tried and failed to discuss with the IP.  If discussion with the IP is lengthy and futile, then follow one of the options for dispute resolution such as requesting a Third Opinion.  If you have any more questions, you can ask for editing advice at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I see that another editor has also raised the concern that the IP may be the sockpuppet evading their block. However, my advice is to assume good faith and try to discuss with the IP.  If they do not discuss, semi-protection is still the first step to minimize the impact of sockpuppetry.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Tie
me kangaroo down, sport. Tie me kangaroo down. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:29, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Head Desk
I am surprised that this is confusing but.... maybe you could help out here? [] Nightenbelle (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Nightenbelle - Your explanation was suboptimal, almost correct. I think that I have explained it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Jiivi 2
Hello, Robert,

Did you approve this draft to be moved to main space? It was moved to Draft space and then the page creator moved it back to main space and I see you have edited the page. It still has AFC tags on it so I'm not sure where it is at in the approval process. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - No, and thank you for asking. I tagged it for notability because I did not think that it belonged in article space, and I was and am considering sending it to AFD.  I agree with User:Praxidicae that it is not ready for article space because it is an unreleased film, and does not make any claim of general notability.  It is only in the approval process because it was moved back to draft space.  I hope that answers the question.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - It's been draftified again. I have requested ECP protection of the article title so that it can be accepted by a reviewer but not pushed back by the author another time.  It illustrates sort of a problem in policies because it is scheduled for release in a few days, while an AFD would still be running, and so illustrates that sometimes page protection rather than AFD may be the right approach to repeated submissions.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:16, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's gone to red. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Move protected draft. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Your Comment at ArbCom
Hi Robert, I noticed you made a further comment at ArbCom on my filing. I read it a few times, but was still unsure of the meaning. I was hoping you could help explain it further here to help me understand? Thank you. Carter00000 (talk) 06:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Case
You ever see one drag out this long without a decision to accept/decline? Woof! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:31, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Deepfriedokra - Sometimes worthless cases are disposed of quickly, and sometimes they sit for several days. I think that they may be discussing whether to impose any restrictions on the filer as a vexatious litigant.  Or they may just not have asked a clerk to transfer it to the file of denied cases.  Robert McClenon (talk) 11:31, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Clarence Ryan


Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Clarence Ryan".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks
BloxyColaSweet (talk) 01:45, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

my request at Wikipedia:Deletion review
Hi, sorry for asking because I am not familiar with the process, what is the next step? I see no action being taken, do I just wait? Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 05:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)