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Koenigsegg CC850
I'll cut to the chase, keep it filed under Koenigsegg CC8S or move that section into the Koenigsegg CC850 redirect? The CC850 is mechanically related to the Koenigsegg Jesko, not the CC8S. Thoughts? X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 05:24, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

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Please respond to my third opinion request
I made another third opinion request and even ping Hunan201p. I want someone to tell me what's wrong because I don't even know it myself and Hunan201p doesn't tell me either.Ghizz Archus (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Ghizz Archus - I do not see another Third Opinion request. I cannot respond to a request that is not there.  If you are planning to make a third opinion request in the near future, please do not ask me to review it before you post it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Still no news in the dispute between me and the other user continues to impose himself
Hello. I listened to your advice you gave me here on my first attempt at the "dispute resulution", I opened the same discussion that I had already opened to the related projects, but without obtaining participation, in the talk of the skier Federica Brignone from which the dispute was born. And nothing... only he replied to me, giving me reason that the statistic of podiums in World Cup races is an important data, but that should be put as a table in the body of the article and not in the infobox. Which, as you can see, I did for Federica Brignone, but it is very difficult to do it in all the skiers' pages, when instead it would be enough to put it in the infobox as it is in other Wikipedias. In my opinion the "excuse" that the "medaltemplates" as it is called "medaltemplates" cannot be used to count the podiums because the medal is not awarded in the World Cup, it is childish and laughable and the guy repeated it to me for the umpteenth time. At this point for me the only one is to return to "dispute resolution" to avoid (for now) the ANI what do you say? --Kasper2006 (talk) 04:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Kasper2006 - You have only made one post to the article talk page, and that post isn't clear. It is not clear to me what you are asking for.  Neither I nor any other volunteer will be able to help you if we don't know what you want.  You say that the other user continues to impose himself, but I don't know what the problem is.  Robert McClenon (talk) 08:13, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I would like that if I put the podium table in the infobox that guy doesn't make me revert. I don't want an edit war and I don't want to bring it to ANI, you deleted the post to the dispute resolution. You tell me what to do? --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:26, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Kasper2006 - Try discussing it further at the article talk page. Ask for advice at the Teahouse.  I don't have any other advice, except to agree that you should avoid WP:ANI.  Try asking for advice at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Theahouse already done. I believe that when I decide the only one is the ANI. { --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:02, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

"Principality of Ongal" listed at Redirects for discussion
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I've added more 3rd party sources to Draft:Kleiner Device Labs. What else would improve this article? Stupac88 (talk) 06:26, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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TVAM 3rd Opinion
Thank you for taking the time to look at the talk page and highlight this option is not possible, I will try a different course of action. For your information, I was able to work out which parts of the main paragraph the other users ( thought it was only one) were not happy about and I was able to included it in the main page but else where with a ref. However that wasn't the bit which caused the issues I wished to raise. It was the following two statements.


 * "After only two editions on air, Ford was struck with flu and Michael Parkinson stepped in to cover for her. The ratings slide was halted for the first time since the launch and even edged slightly up in the second week of the new team. As Parkinson was hosting the weekend show, sports reporter Nick Owen stepped in for Parkinson on Fridays and Mondays.
 * Peter Jay asked her to step aside as the combination of Parkinson, Rippon and Owen was worth continuing to help the ratings. Ford refused, stating that if she stepped down, it would be too easy for the media to pin the disastrous start to the station on her. Rippon's behaviour and Ford's refusal to step aside caused great anger with the TV-am board and director Jonathan Aitken believed Jay incompetent for not removing them both.

However the other users are not forthcoming with discussion about the above two points which contradictory to other points on the page and would rather just make up strange statements. I might try Dispute resolution noticeboard, which might be the best course of action. Crazyseiko (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Crazyseiko - If you want me to comment on an article content dispute, it would be helpful to provide a link for me to where any previous discussion was, and even more helpful to tell me what article the dispute was about. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Crazyseiko - I see that the article content dispute is about TV-am. I also see that you have been told by two editors that you are adding material that is in need of copy-editing for grammar.  It appears that they are removing it because it is hard to follow, and that you are putting it back with a long angry edit summary.  That isn't helpful.  Please do not post material that is in need of copy-editing for grammar.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:38, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * talk Thank you for your two comments, here and on my talk page. However Ive only seen one editor SovalValtos highlight the grammar point, so I'm not sure where the second one come in on TVAM. To answer your original point, there was one paragraph on the page which was questionable, I took it out and put it on the talk so people could look at it and improve it, nothing was forthcoming.  One editor dislike this fact without explaining why, and after doing some digging I was able to restore that sentence elsewhere in the page. That just left the rest of the paragraph, so I removed the incorrect details and added in alot of new ref and plus additional new details to prove it was incorrect.  I also added more ref and details to another part to make it correct. I don't believe there is any issues now with the main page. ( expect grammar points) --Crazyseiko (talk) 17:45, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * talk That isn't the reason this all started, but somehow ended up here over, copy-editing for grammar issues.  The paragraph on the page which was questionable is not gone and replaced.  I just need to deal with copy-editing now --Crazyseiko (talk) 20:19, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

RfC on Draft:OnionShare
If you want a 3RR:
 * https://www.wired.com/2014/06/the-troubling-truth-of-why-its-still-so-hard-to-share-files-directly/
 * https://www.wired.com/2014/05/onionshare/
 * https://fossbytes.com/share-files-anonymouslytors-darknet-onionshare/

Onionshare is the only application that has a focus on File Sharing over for network. Along with book and article sources, you may also see these results for notability: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=OnionShare Greatder (talk) 07:54, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Greatder - I declined the draft because it does not speak for itself and explain to a reader why OnionShare is notable. It isn't helpful to send me links for background reading on the application.  A reviewer shouldn't accept an article based on information that isn't in the article.  The article should contain all of the information that the reader will need to know what is notable about OnionShare.  Please expand the article to include any information that will tell the reader why OnionShare is notable.  If you want another editor to look at the draft, you may ask for advice at the Teahouse, and they are likely to advise you to expand the draft to contain any information that you think is important.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:13, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

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Draft: Nataša Pirc Musar
Thank you for your helpful comment. I removed the mention of her candidacy from the lead paragraph and added information about numerous notable cases and books. This person is notable for her work and political posts over the last two decades, not for the candidacy. Could you please review and reconsider. Topjur01 (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Topjur01 - If I give the draft a detailed review, I will probably decline it. I am not reviewing it at this time, only commenting.  I am advising that you ask for advice at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:32, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If she is a candidate for President of Slovenia, then that fact should be in the lede of the article if there is an article. Just taking that fact out of the lede doesn't make her stop being a candidate for President.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:32, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your time and response. I will follow the path you mentioned when you wrote "The originator has the right to contest the draftification by moving this draft back into article space. If so, it will almost certainly be nominated for deletion, and the community will decide whether to keep it If the community." If the community will decide to delete it, then let it be. Topjur01 (talk) 17:32, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
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Where did "movement" come from?
Hey Robert. I saw your comment asking where the idea of a "Wikimedia movement" came from and I was curious myself. I came along after the term was already in widespread use so never thought about it. It looks like it was coined by Anthere (Florence) back in 2009. Not here to argue about agreeing if it should exist as a term or not, just wanted to provide some context. :) Ckoerner (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * User:Iazyges - What was unusual about that long-running case was that the users were neutral to each other rather than hostile or passive-aggressive. The last long dispute before this one was the Italian political parties.  You may recall that I had to fail it, and then the two principals wound up being topic-banned.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:59, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:American Cochlear Implant Alliance


Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "American Cochlear Implant Alliance".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 16:30, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - Hmmm. First, I think that I have already asked whether the person who originally put this in their sandbox could be notified.  But second, I see that this title has already been deleted as G13 three times.  Is there some way that we can determine who is repeatedly creating this draft in a sandbox and then not doing anything with it?  Maybe they should be given some sort of a trout for useless contributions?  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - I've asked at the Idea Lab, and it may become another abandoned topic there. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:55, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate drafts
Hi Robert. Do you know the best way to deal with Draft:Shaheda Yesmin and Draft:Shaheda yesmin? Same person created them both and my guess is that they did so because they either didn't know how or wweren't able to MOVE the page to fix the lowercase used in the last name. They seem identical, but one has been submitted to AfC and declined. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * When there are two drafts, as when there are two entries in article space, the less complete one can be redirected to the more complete one if the more complete one has the correct title. The more complete one is the one with the AFC history, but it had the capitalization error.  So I have round-robin-swapped them, and Draft:Shaheda Yesmin is now a declined draft where the originator can improve it.  Draft:Shaheda yesmin is a redirect.  If the article is accepted, I think that a bot will fix the double redirect.  I don't know what happens to the redirect if the draft dies of old age, but it will be the end of winter in the northern hemisphere then.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:35, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Robert for taking a look at this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Marchjuly - It doesn't matter. The originator was a sockpuppet of the subject of the article, and both versions have been deleted as G5.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft comment
Can you please provide some instructions/suggestions on how to improve my Draft:List of Indian Soups and Stews and reasons on why it might be rejected! Lord kai07 (talk) 04:51, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Lord kai07 - At this point, the draft is not at risk of being rejected. It appears that it was sent back from article space to draft space because it did not have references.  You may ask the reviewer, User:DaxServer, whether there was another reason why it was sent back, and it is always a good idea to ask the reviewer who sends an article to draft space why they sent it back.  At this point it has the needed references.  (Do not add more references.)  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Dax server moved it yesterday before I started editing it. But now the editing is complete. So I don't really understand the reason for its rejection. Lord kai07 (talk) 07:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Lord kai07 - It hasn't been rejected. It is waiting for a another review.  As the notice says, this may take anywhere from a few days to a few months.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm requesting you to review my page. Is it possible to ask reviwers like this, to make the process faster? Lord kai07 (talk) 04:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Lord kai07 - I don't normally review drafts on request. Some reviewers will review drafts on request, but most normally will not.  However, I have looked at your draft in enough detail so that I am willing to accept it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:24, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Lord kai07 (talk) 13:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Arceus


Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Arceus".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 19:28, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, well, User:Liz - This is one of the strangest histories I have seen on a G13 that is said to be mine. It appears that I had nothing to do with the version of the draft that died of old age.  However, there was an earlier draft, and I accepted it in 2019 into article space.  But then it was nominated for deletion, and was cut down to a redirect, and the redirect is still there.  So the draft would have been to replace the redirect, which a reviewer would not have accepted without some reason to think that it would survive a second AFD.  Well, well.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:55, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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Question about partial revert at NPOVN
I'm confused about this partial revert at NPOVN, since my understanding of WP:BLOCKEVASION is that blocked users should not be permitted to raise issues at noticeboards. Restoring the original header allows the LTA to continue to draw attention to their preferred target, and thus to continue to influence an ongoing discussion despite being blocked. You also state in your edit summary that restoring the header allows one to guess who the sockmaster was –– but I have prominently identified the sockmaster as Mikemikev in my hat summary.

Obviously this is not a huge deal, and I do not expect it to influence the current discussion one way or another. But I trust your judgement and so would like to know if my understanding of the norm surrounding block evasion is wrong in this case, or if perhaps you may have made an understandable mistake. Thanks, Generalrelative (talk) 21:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Generalrelative - First, I was trying to compromise between your collapse and rename of the thread and another editor's reverting of your actions. Second, I didn't research the policies before doing it, and so may have made a mistake.  If so, however, I think that the policy as interpreted or as applied may be a little too rigid.  I actually prefer what is done at WP:AN and WP:ANI, which is that posts by an editor who is then blocked for any reason, including being a sock of an already banned user, are boxed, that is, closed but left readable.  So that is my reason, which is that I think that hatting a post by a sockpuppet is a little extreme, and boxing a post by a sockpuppet is sufficient.  So in further thinking about it, I may have violated policy, in which case I was wrong, but I would prefer at least to leave the title in view.  That is, let people see who the racist sockmaster was, and that discussion is not permitted.  That's my convoluted answer.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Understood, thanks for the reply! Generalrelative (talk) 03:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

About your comment on the [Draft:Philosophical pessimism]
Hey, I saw your comment on Draft:Philosophical pessimism. I'm very much surprised by it. Haven't you seen the message that is at the top of the draft? It even includes the link to the discussion about moving the relevant information, discussion that is taking place on the original article's Talk page. I'm not sure what's the purpose of your comment there, given the above mentioned facts.

The information looks like this:

It has been suggested that parts of Pessimism (Philosophical pessimism) be moved into this page. (Discuss) Proposed since September 2022. Fantastiera (talk) 15:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Fantastiera - Yes. I know.  I know.  I was restating what it had been previously written.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you for taking the time to look at my new article submission :) Fantastiera (talk) 06:47, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
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Responding to Your Comment On Newfold Digital Article Draft
@Robert McClenon Hello there! You left a comment on the draft of a Newfold Digital article I have been working on. Is this the best place to respond? Please let me know if I should respond in a different venue.

To answer your question, the intention behind creating the Newfold Digital article was to create a new article about the entity formed from the combination of Endurance International Group (EIG) and Web.com Group (in addition to other companies acquired by Newfold Digital since the merger). The previous Newfold Digital article was really just an EIG article with the Newfold Digital name pasted onto it, whereas Newfold Digital was actually made from two large holding companies combined into one by private equity; the other holding company's article (Web.com) retained its original name and content.

I asked for advice on the Teahouse, and came to the conclusion that the most elegant solution would be to revert the Newfold Digital article to the original EIG article, and create a fresh Newfold Digital article to better represent the company and provide clear, accurate information for interested readers (the notable brands listed in the new article that are owned by Newfold Digital also have their own articles).

I am an inexperienced editor and also have a conflict of interest (as disclosed on my user page), so I sought assistance on the Teahouse and received help from an interested editor, who helped me shape the article, build out the references, and provided a lot of advice and direction in general. The editor I worked with also reverted the Newfold Digital article to EIG in anticipation of my submission. In terms of notability, I think given the size of the company, the number of customers it serves through its many brands, the public interest in its products and services, the fact that its notable brands already have their own articles, and the fact that both of the holding companies it now contains have their own articles, the parent company is notable. I think the best experience for a reader would be if they were able to search for a notable brand and then find the parent company (Newfold Digital) or search for the parent company and see what notable brands it owns, and read an accurate background of the company; I think the previous Newfold Digital article did not achieve this because of its inherent flaw of being an old article with a new name, and only representative of one side of the merger.

This is further complicated by the fact that Web.com was and is a public facing brand, in addition to being the previous parent company (Web.com Group) of several brands now under the Newfold Digital umbrella. (It is probably notable merely as a brand.) In the case of EIG, I imagine its greatest interest now is historical in nature; do you think replacing it entirely would make sense, or is it better to leave it in place to cover the history of the holding company that was?

As I mentioned, I am very new to all of this and I am open to all advice, guidance, and suggestions. Any help or direction you would be willing to provide would be much appreciated! Zach at Newfold (talk) 01:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

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Queen of the north
Hi, Robert! I've declined (for now) your speedy nomination at because it seems to me that the draft should not be moved there but to, as used in every entry in the page. Am I wrong (if so, I'll revert)? But if not, I'll delete that redirect instead to make way for the draft. The other will then presumably redirect there? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Talkspin
Template:Talkspin has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Peter Cameron
Hello, would a renowned, reliable and independent source not in English (eg the Treccani Encyclopedia of Science, Letters, and Arts) be acceptable? Thanks Lucretius (talk) 08:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Lucretius - Sources are not required to be in English. I will ask the usual annoying question, which is whether you have a conflict of interest.  An encyclopedia is a tertiary source, and we would prefer the use of secondary sources, but a tertiary source is much better than the non-independent sources.  You may ask questions about reliable sources at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Robert, no I do not have a conflict of interest. I don't have relations of whatever kind with Treccani nor I personally know Cameron (I just red his novels..) Lucretius (talk) 17:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Robert, I left a comment in Draft talk:Peter Cameron (novelist). I'd appreciate if you could have a look (I tried to improve the sourcing, and although I included secondary sources the draft was rejected again). Thanks -- Lucretius (talk) 17:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Lucretius - Your draft was not rejected. It was declined.  This means that you can resubmit it after addressing the concerns of the declining reviewer.  If you disagree with the declining reviewer, I suggest that you ask other experienced editors to advise you and comment at the Teahouse, and in particular ask about their opinions about the sources.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I posted a comment at the Teahouse and there's an ongoing discussion on the matter. -- Lucretius (talk) 08:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:THQ § Article help
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:THQ § Article help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Robert. Since you seem to have been the last person to review Draft:Jeff Ruby perhaps you might want to try and answer this TH question about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Marchjuly - Thanks for the note. Replied.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:19, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Review of Draft:Prince (2022 film)
The Draft:Prince (2022 film) is about a Tamil and Telugu movie which has enough resources for being a Page. This movie is a main stream Tamil movie dubbed into Telugu language. The movie trailers and songs have millions of views.

Tamil movie trailer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHUZsWSwxWM

Telugu movie trailer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6073B0sT5a0

Please review the draft again to change it to page. Rasulnrasul (talk) 12:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Rasulnrasul - The film has not yet been released, and does not satisfy film notability guidelines. If you think that the unreleased film is notable, you may ask for the advice of other experienced editors at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

DRV comment
I think your recent DRV comment has introduced some formatting errors. I'm not sure what you intended to put there otherwise I'd have fixed it myself. Stifle (talk) 10:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Stifle - Thank you. An IP fixed the error about six hours after I made the error.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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Pëllumb Xhufi
At that RSN that you are moderating, user SilentResident is refering to Xhufi's views as "extremist". Pëllumb Xhufi is a living person, and WP:BLP applies. I do not think that editors should use such language when talking about a famous living person. Indeed, Xhufi is biased in several cases, but still his works have been published by or cited in works of Toulouse University, Oxford University Press, Cambridge University Press etc. Xhufi is not an "extremist" at all. I think that as the moderator of the discussion, you should ask the editors to be more careful with the words they choose. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Scholarship widely refers to Xhufi as 'nationalist' (see my statments in DRN). The issue creates an ever growing controversy and yet another article has been targeted by Xhufi's extreme narrative []. We need to deal with this kind of POV. Thid partisan nature of the specific polician-historian was also witnessed by Ktrimi [].Alexikoua (talk) 23:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, Robert. Hope you're well. Thank you for informing me about the discussion concerning Xhufi. I'm very busy IRL and can't be a participant in the discussion, hence I posted information from Xhufi's official bio in the International Union of Academies as he's currently the representative of the national academy of Albania in the institution . It's concerning that some editors are using wikipedia to discuss living academics in very problematic manner under the guise of anonymity. They are aware that the rhetoric which they're employing may fall under the scope of WP:BLP as their comments about Xhufi have been redacted by other admins.--Maleschreiber (talk) 01:31, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Max Verstappen
I'm sorry but I am having a hard time understanding why Max Verstappen is the only driver on the top 10 list for Grand Prix wins to not have his own page for wins. Divers with fewer wins have their own page. But why not him? TheEarth1974 (talk) 20:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Redirect massacre!
Hello, Robert,

I'm not sure how this happened, but when you moved Draft:Samsung Galaxy S to Draft space, it resulted in 67 broken redirects! (See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AnomieBOT_III/Broken_redirects&oldid=1116494182 here). I created a temporary redirect and redirect talk page so these pages wouldn't all be deleted and I'm not sure if it is pointed at the right target. The main space article for Samsung Galaxy S was moved to another page title, Samsung Galaxy S (2010 smartphone) before you moved it to Draft space so I just used that title as the new redirect target. Maybe it should be moved back to Samsung Galaxy S? Typically after a page move, Wikipedia's bots fix all existing redirects to point to the new target but I guess they got confused with these back-to-back article moves. It's not unusual for an article moved from main space to Draft space to result in a few broken redirects but I've never seen anything like this happen. Let me know if you figure it all out! Liz Read! Talk! 22:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - Weird! I'm looking at it.  In retrospect, maybe I should have reverted rather than draftified.  But that makes me think that restoring the redirect at Samsung Galaxy S might be in order.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - I see that you sort of have the situation under control. I will look at it in more detail within 24 hours.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:32, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - I see what my mistake was. I should have checked the history of the page.  It looked to me, from the New Page Feed, like a new article, but it wasn't.  It had a long history.  So my action in draftifying was a mistake, and you cleaned it up in what seems to be the right way.  Now that the page is defined as a disambiguation page, it doesn't need the references that it doesn't have.
 * The lesson is not to draftify a page that has a long history, even if appears in the New Page Feed. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Clenixon/2000 Cyprus International Tournament


Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "2000 Cyprus International Tournament".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - Well, well. This is strange.  It appears that I moved the page from user space to draft space, but it has now been deleted from user space.  Well, well.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Maisie Lockwood
Hello there, Robert, and thanks for reviewing Anne or Beast?, can you please also review Draft:Maisie Lockwood? Bmona12 (talk) 11:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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Draft:Phone Bhoot
The article Draft:Phone Bhoot is ready please review it. Remember you had rejected it on 21 July 2020. MNWiki845 (talk) 11:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @MNWiki845 I very much doubt anyone will review on request. Just submit it and a reviewer will drop by when they can 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Timtrent - I often do look at drafts when it is obvious that the requester is being tendentious. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We all do 😇. But their expectation 👀 needs to be set correctly as well 👍 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

GCL
I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:GCL. Thanks! Itay. The page "Draft:GCL" (links | edit) has been moved to "Draft:Global coordination measure". In the wikipedia GCL disambiguation page I have added the Global coordination measure value. Levyitau (talk) 18:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Danielle
Hello! I understand that you accepted my afc, Draft:Hurricane Danielle (2022). This has been redirected so can you possibly undo this? The redirectors stated that it was not notable but you accepted it, so clearly it is. Impact was also pretty big, with Portugal issuing a state of emergency. ~ Hurricane Chandler (talk) 21:05, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Hurricane Chandler - I will take a look. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:56, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Hurricane Chandler - You appear to have said, at Talk:2022 Atlantic hurricane season, that you agree with the redirection. If you changed your mind during the about 18 hours between that comment and your post to my talk page, then please say, at the season talk page, that you have changed your opinion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I stated that I changed my mind on the talk page and gave a reason. Hurricane Chandler (talk) 01:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Comment on Closure of Noticeboard
You recently closed my notice in the dispute resolution center for Your Lie in April. I agree with your reasons for closing; I was not aware of how extensive the Talk page discussion needed to be in order to justify notification. I also wasn't aware that I was required to notify both users prior to filing such a notice (was this in the instructions page? Genuine question, I don't remember seeing it there.) However, I'd like to make a correction to your closing remarks: the dispute was absolutely about article content. As you can probably tell, I'm newer to Wikipedia and not totally familiar with the customs yet; if this kind of correction is not worth starting a user Talk page discussion for, I apologize. I just felt like this was a pretty major error that needed to be acknowledged. Cheers. 216.164.249.213 (talk) 07:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Update: he responded with a civil helpful comment on my Talk page. Thank you! 216.164.249.213 (talk) 08:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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Megalopolis reply
I'm not sure I understand the comment, does the draft need to be moved to a new location? Rusted AutoParts 01:59, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Rusted AutoParts - No. The message says that the draft either should be disambiguated or has already been disambiguated.  It has already been disambiguated by adding (film) to the title.  The other part of the message is that, when the draft is accepted, an entry should be made in the disambiguation list, Megalopolis (disambiguation).  Does this clarify the matter?   Robert McClenon (talk) 02:50, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * One more point. There is now another draft, Draft:Megalopolis, also about the film. It has somewhat more information than your draft, and should be merged into Draft:Megalopolis (film).  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

DRN MLM
Hey, I'm happy to take on the MLM since it looks like my other one is going to fizzle out and you are also cleaning up the mess from the other volunteer..... If either of the other editors agrees to participate. Nightenbelle (talk) 14:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Nightenbelle - Thanks. Yes.  It appears that, on World War Two reparations, some of the editors were more interested in arguing than in revising the article, and you told them to discuss the article rather than each other.  On MLM, thanks, if there is a dispute, since MrOllie erased the notice, which probably means he doesn't think it is worth discussing.  So I may be leaving you to write a closing statement (or even to mediate).  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft under review
An editor popped onto IRC asking about Draft:Tje, just thought I'd remind you that it's under review. Primefac (talk) 20:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Primefac - Thanks for the reminder. I don't know about the Cyrillic alphabet except that it is a sister of the Latin alphabet, being a daughter of the Greek alphabet, and that there are national versions of the Cyrillic alphabet.  What the Latin alphabet has is national versions of the diacritics.  Tens of thousands have been killed this year in a war between two nations that use different national versions of the Cyrillic alphabet.  I concluded that the issue over whether a separate article is in order for a newly added letter can be better resolved in article space than in draft space.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Edit conflict escalated beyond acceptable level
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