User talk:Rodolph

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File:Detail of Duke of Bolton's Syphax with a groom, black colt, foaled 1727, by Bay Bolton out of Golden Locks got by Mostyn’s Grasshopper her dam by Lord Bristol’s Hog, 25 x 30 inches, by Richard Roper, 1734.jpg

I've red-linked the artist, do you know enough to write a stub? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:27, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * will do one,thanks for asking! Rodolph (talk) 09:23, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

File:George, 5th Duke of Gordon.jpg
It's not PD-self I think, but who might be the artist? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:43, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added Henry Raeburn ! Happy June. xRodolph (talk) 10:52, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

File:Doriangray.jpg
Do you know anything more on the artist named (as opposed to the engraver)? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:45, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

File:APeepAtTheTrain.jpg
Known work and artist, Approximate date? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:54, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Sfan, here's the info...
 * From here https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/403759/a-peep-at-the-train

Rudolf Swoboda (1859-1914), A Peep at the Train, 1892, Oil on canvas | RCIN 403759 [inventory number],
 *  Rudolph Swoboda had sailed for India on 7 October 1886. Queen Victoria paid for his passage and gave him £300 to cover his travelling expenses. In return he was to provide the Queen with sketches worth £300. The Queen gave Swoboda specific instructions: ‘The Sketches Her Majesty wishes to have – are of the various types of the different nationalities. They should consist of heads of the same size as those already done for The Queen, and also small full lengths, as well as sketches of landscapes, buildings, and other scenes. Her Majesty does not want any large pictures done at first, but thinks that perhaps you could bring away material for making them should they eventually be wished for.’ In addition to many portraits, also in the Royal Collection, Swoboda painted this picture of a group of children and an old man waiting at the barrier beside a railway line.


 * The painting was exhibited at the Royal Academy in 1892.
 * Signed: Rudolf L. Swoboda. On the back of the frame is a label in the artist’s hand giving an alternative title: ‘Waiting for the Train … Madras’.


 * Provenance:

Purchased by Queen Victoria


 * SIZE: 35 x 22 inches (unframed)

MUCH BETTER QUALITY JPEG AVAILABLE FROM ROYAL COLLECTION website. Rodolph (talk) 23:08, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

File:Hans Jörg von Reppert-Bismark (1902-1962) illustration of Major Ewert von Renteln (1893-1947) in Signal magazine, 1943, number 21, page 19.jpg
Page states that Hans Jörg von Reppert-Bismark died in 1962 - so he (and descendants) hold copyright until 1st Jan 2033 (70 years pma) in rest of world. Copyright in US would have expired (I think, not important) in 1990, but it was in copyright in home country at URAA (January 1, 1996), so copyright in US is restored, and is now 1st Jan 2039 (95 years after publication). So it can be moved to commons as a free image in 2039. Easy - not... Ron h jones (Talk) 23:54, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * see also Non-U.S. copyrights Ron h jones (Talk) 23:55, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your kind replying. With art images does the fact that something was copied and then printed up in a magazine make a difference to say if that image was a fresh photo/scan in of the original painting rather than this which is someone's scan or photo of the 1943 magazine reproduction? Or does it matter that the copyright home country at the time (1943) was considered (and still might be) out of order/broken down, ie NAZI?Rodolph (talk) 00:28, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a derivative - if it's just a copy of the artwork then it may not gain any new copyright (although that is very country specific on the amount of effort to make the copy). If the copy is changed (say sharpened, tweaked for colour, etc.) then work has been done and there is copyright in that new work - as well as the copyright of the original - see c:Commons:Derivative works   Ronvred">h jones  (Talk) 14:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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File:Solemn Joust on London Bridge.jpg
Any thoughts on a good source for artist biographies? I was wondering if the one that did this was notable? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:30, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, good to read you, yes Beavis is quite notable and def worth a page on Wiki, (but the reproduction shown doesn't seem quite right). For this one see ArtUK website and past Bonham's and Christie's sales.Rodolph (talk) 01:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * the image they used comes from a book cover and is somehow wrong. The true source is here: https://collage.cityoflondon.gov.uk/view-item?i=8649&WINID=1521249624418 It dates from 1886 and is in the collection of Guildhall Art Gallery, City of London, UK. IT IS A TAPESTRY. It is 9.5 feet high. Rodolph (talk) 01:23, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

File:"On the Bosphorus, at the Entrance to the Golden Horn".jpeg
This image claims it's pre 1996 Public domain, but the relevant artists article doesn't seem to have a date of death, only an indication of active years. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:01, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No one, yet, seems to know when this seemingly Polish artist died. An Austrian auction house thinks he was active circa 1900.Rodolph (talk) 00:59, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Architectural drawing of The Dell, Grays, Thurrock, Essex by Thomas Robjohns Wonnacott (1834-1918) for Alfred Russel Wallace, 1870.jpg
Hi, Did you forget to add a license tag when uploading this? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:16, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you very much. I had put


 * , or rather the upload wizard put, but obviously not enough. Thank you, as it seems at least 50 years out of copyright? But the people who have it seem not too happy, but I think everyone benefits from its spread, esp. as it isn't Wallace but Wonnacott who made it.Rodolph (talk) 09:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Rodolphus de Salis
Question: Do you know the family history of Rodolphus de Salis well enough to tell me if he had in his youth (already being a lieutenant) a bad fall from horseback, with about 25 years old, being partly paralyzed, which caused him to go on a cure in German bath Ems? Or is it possible that not he, but his brother William Andrew had this accident? Rana Düsel (talk) 12:46, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the question. William is known to have had a bad back or leg. In his late life he was pushed around in a Bath chair. I can't remember precise details this moment but he had this bad leg or back, thus a limp, certainly by the 1830s.Rodolph (talk) 22:37, 16 September 2018 (UTC)


 * That's great!!! Thank you for the information. I already suspected that it could not have been Rodolphus (born 1811), who was lieutenant at the army at that time. You may be interested in this external link to an article from the German bath Ems. It says that anno 1836, August 5th, a 25-years-old English count de Salis, id should be William born 1812, saved the life of a 5 year old child from drowning in the Lahn river though he was on crutches. And I found the newspaper clipping in a diary which I now fully understand. The de Salis family stayed from July, 16th, up to August, 25th, in a hotel called Im steinern Haus in Ems, as reveals from the local guest list here Rana Düsel (talk) 09:35, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, thank you so much. great research. The father Jerome, 4th Count died soon after (i think back in Middlesex) 2 October 1836, so he was among the party.Rodolph (talk) 10:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * To be precise, in mid-August 1836 they tried a cure in the nearby bath of Schlangenbad, too, where William is exactly named with a servant as guest in "herrschaftliche Badehaeuser", but his family, too, as passing-through guests (same page). Then, a week later, they all seem to be in Im steinern Haus at Ems again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rana Düsel (talk • contribs) 10:16, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you again for this amazing information. Rodolph (talk) 15:26, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

File:William the Silent.jpg
Long shot, but do you have any thoughts, based on the subject, most likely a Dutch artist? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * hi Sfan,
 * Guglielmo I di Nassau, principe di Orange (24

Aprile 1533 – 10 Luglio 1584) detto il Taciturno, Stadhouder delle Province Unite. Ritratto giovanile di Anthonis Mor (1555)

William I of Nassau, prince of Orange (24 April 1533 - 10 July 1584) called the Taciturn, Stadhouder of the United Provinces. Portrait of young Anthonis Mor (1555) Antonis Mor
 * see better version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonis_Mor#/media/File:Antonio_Moro_-_Willem_I_van_Nassau.jpg

Rodolph (talk) 20:17, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Means I can apply CSD F8, as there is a quality version on commons already :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * nice one!Rodolph (talk) 00:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

File:J Loader 1845 Shorthorn Bull.jpg
Based on some initial searches I think this is actually a work by James Loder, but would appreciate a second opinion. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * yes, well spotted! Here it is: https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/shorthorn-bull-27050 Rodolph (talk) 10:51, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Frederick Green Wilkinson
Hi - I have added a lot of missing links to the extra information you have added. Please can you add proper citations as required by WP:CITE and WP:RS. (It is probably the same citations that you have used for the main text). Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 22:43, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear Dormskirk, thanks for your message. I hope I have cited the footnotes correctly. Thank you enormously for adopting and adding links to the info.Rodolph (talk) 23:44, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks fine. Many thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 16:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Charles de Salis


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User-generated material as references
Hi Rodolph, I can't imagine why you would restore a reference to an article the German Wikipedia, after it had been removed for all the right reasons.

You've been around long enough to understand why WP:USERG sources aren't considered WP:RS. Beyond that, Wikipedia citing itself is WP:CIRCULAR. Please revert this edit and be more careful going forward. Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 23:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * sorry I hadn't realised that the old ref to German Wiki had been removed, I've rewritten the ref to it, as if you look it up you can see that it is sort of richtig! xRodolph (talk) 23:38, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't be referring to wikipedia in another language. Anything you put here needs to stand on its own. Toddst1 (talk) 00:42, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination of Charles de Salis for deletion
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November 2019
Please stop your disruptive behaviour. It appears you are purposefully harassing another editor. Wikipedia aims to provide a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing other users, as you did on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles de Salis, potentially compromises that safe environment. If you continue behaving like this, you may be blocked from editing. ミラP 23:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not harass anyone. Please retract that. I merely questioned their qualifications, especially as they used slack and unkind words and almost asperity regarding the subject of the biography they subsequently deleted.Rodolph (talk) 12:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I then asked for a means of re-finding the deleted information, which is a fair request. Rodolph (talk) 12:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

de Salis
Here's the content, in a compacted mode, for your convenience :) --Tone 07:57, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Charles de Salis was an unsuccessful Parliamentary candidate for Reading in 1761.

He was born on July 25th, 1736 in the Parish of St. James, Westminster and died without children at Hieres, Provence, July 1781, aged 45.

He was the eldest son of Anglo-Grison diplomat Jerome, Count de Salis-Soglio, who had been a Naturalized British Subject in 1731, by his wife Mary, eldest daughter of Charles Fane, 1st Viscount Fane.

After some schooling with his younger brothers (Peter, Rev Dr. Henry, and William) in his father's ancestral homeland (the Grisons Republic), he studied at Eton from 1747-1753, where he was one of 250 students. He traveled abroad from 1757 to 1760; the tour covered Lausanne (university), Northern Italy, Rome, Naples, Coire, Paris, Turin, and Holland.

In 1761, De Salis stood in his namesake and uncle's place as one of the two MPs for Reading, but having been admitted to a Freeman/Burgess of the Corporation of Reading on the 4th of March, 1761 he was well beaten at the poll on the 25th of March, 1761. De Salis only obtained 258 votes, whereas the elected candidates polled 396 (John Dodd of Swallowfield Park) and 355 (Sir Francis Knollys, of Thame (c1722-1772).

After returning to Provence having executed his uncle Charles Fane (c1707-1766)'s will in 1766, he continued to live at Arles, Salon, Nîmes and Hieres (also spelled: Hyères), where he died and was buried at the Couvent (Convent) des Cordeliers (now the Église Saint-Louis d'Hyères) in 1781.

On 6th April, 1764, Charles' contemporary, Edward Gibbon, wrote in his diary whilst in Lausanne: De Salis d'une indifférence qui vient plus d'un défaut de sensibilité que d'un excès de raison (this translates as: De Salis [has] an indifference that comes more from a lack of sensitivity due to excess [of grape].).

He seems to have shared with his mother, maternal-grandmother (Mary Stanhope), and to a greater degree, his maternal aunt Dorothy Montagu, Countess of Sandwich a predilection for the vapours. De Salis and his mother both received treatment in Provence to cure their own low-spirits from the renowned vapour theorist, Monsieur Pierre Pomme (1735-1812), a follower of Joseph Raulin, FRS, (1708-1784).

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 * thank you! It seems that '78.145.183.94' has been pruning my work to the point of vandalism.
 * Amused to see your rather petulant repetition of the word "vandal" in your edit summaries and here, when it is the previous bloated and self-aggrandising state of your articles that represented a defacement of Wikipedia's principles. If it assuage your wounded ego to delude yourself into believing me a vandal, you may have at it. Further, if you genuinely believe it acceptable to have countless paragraphs with no citation whatever save a ref. tag which contains a footnote consisting of original research, and intend, furthermore, to continue editing in this vein, I shall have no recourse but to draw attention of those with some power here to your track record, which makes for unedifying reading when one considers the ego trip inclusion of seemingly every member of your family represents- and, as I say, improperly formatted, to boot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.183.94 (talk) 13:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, the vandalism note was for my benefit, notes, rather than directed at you, though removing ALL the images relevant to visual artist Helga von Cramm seems harsh to the point of wilful destruction.Rodolph (talk) 23:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, it certainly does appear I removed all the images from that article, which I can't imagine was my intention as some illustration of an article is, as a rule, to its benefit; perhaps some distraction arose. My point is, after all the work you put into making these articles, why insist on making them so conspicuous as to draw the attention and disapprobation of the sizeable contingent who adhere strictly to Wikipedia guidelines? Looking into it I found a number of your articles in the past have been trimmed by others to match requirements in this way, indicating the prevailing view is that entire galleries of images are simply not the done thing here. The danger will always be of "the baby being thrown out with the bathwater", something I have encountered on Wikipedia in years past, and so I would in all good faith encourage you to continue to contribute these biographical articles but in a slightly restrained manner unlikely to result in deletion of any of them for their reliance on "footnotes" which evidently come from your personal knowledge or family papers etc. and which are not citations of reliable secondary sources. Naturally I have no real influence over you one way or the other, but merely as a "heads-up" I would direct you to the editing history of User:Lobsterthermidor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lobsterthermidor) whose primary activity, under the guise of "manorial histories", was the inclusion of masses of genealogical data, and who was taken to task to an unsurprising conclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.183.94 (talk) 23:22, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * With footnote citations, re https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Green_Wilkinson, the references for this came from a real book which I attached, listed, to the info, what was wrong with that?Rodolph (talk) 23:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks for your kind advice. I made many of these articles a decade or more ago when things like galleries were encouraged and the info regarding descendants is often useful aqnd if not preserved here would just vanish. Rodolph (talk) 23:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks again for your writing, & thanks for your time. It is very interesting re Lobsterthermidor, but being into genealogical data shouldn't necessarily be cognate with anti-semitism?Rodolph (talk) 00:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi, a user over on Commons thanked me for a file that I merely transferred, the thanks are for you: commons:User:Kürschner sent thanks for the creation of File:2011 Lord Mayor emerging from Royal Courts of Justice 2011.jpg. It is appreciated! Thanks also from me & kind regards Deadstar (talk) 18:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you dear Deadstar. Very much appreciated, valuable encouragement esp. as not long after seeing thousands of words and dozens of images deleted.Rodolph (talk) 13:50, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Anne Pigalle for deletion
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 * thanks for the notice Salimfadhley, Rodolph (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

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A Dobos torte for you!

 * Carissimo/a 7&6=thirteen, danke schön ... schmeckt sehr gut, ... Nil Desperandum ... Honi soit qui mal y pense !  Rodolph (talk) 23:57, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

File:CromwellHouseMortlake.jpg
You uploaded this image which is used on Edward Colston which I put forward for GA, where did you get it from? Source? Regards, Govvy (talk) 13:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, the image of Cromwell house, I put it there many years ago, I can't quite remember where I found it. The house was demolished in the mid-nineteenth century so I assumed the image was circa 170 years old. The figures and other dilapidations of the house suggest circa 1850. When the image was moved from UK Wikipedia to Commons the source info may have not gone with it? Rodolph (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Identifying artists - File:The Gresleys of Drakelowe (Falconer, 1899) (IA gri 33125007789320).pdf
Hi, This work on Commons, contains a number of portraits. I know it's a long shot, but if you had the time, I was wondering if you were willing to attempt identification of potential artists or photographers? There's a move to improve the catalog data on Commons, and assistance from field experts aids this considerably. If you find other artwork on Commons that you can identify artists for, feel free to improve the catalog entries :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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