User talk:Rodw/Archive 12

FLC
You may be interested to know that List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Southeast England, the last in the series of five lists, is now at FLC. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your support; it made it. The set of five is complete! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

adding a reference
I'm sorry I may have messed up on the reference thing but where exactly do I find help with adding a reference, I can't find anything? Arthur266 (talk) 17:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Kennet and Avon Canal
Initial response to your request is on my talk page. Bob1960evens (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Harold Pinter/archive1
Hi Rod,

I hope that you had an excellent festival. If you have ba few moments would you mind taking alook at the above?

Maybe see you at the BBC on MOnday? Jezhotwells (talk) 15:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Expansion
Just to let you know I've expanded the article on the National Churches Trust. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just for information; no action needed. Thought you might like to know. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:57, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance
Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on July 7, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/July 7, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article directors or his delegate, or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  19:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

 

The River Parrett flows through the counties of Dorset and Somerset in South West England, from its source in the Thorney Mills springs in the hills around Chedington in Dorset. Flowing northwest through Somerset and the Somerset Levels to its mouth at Burnham-on-Sea, into the Bridgwater Bay Nature Reserve on the Bristol Channel, the Parrett drains about 50 per cent of Somerset's land area. The 37 mi long river is tidal for 27 mi up to Oath. Because the fall of the river between Langport and Bridgwater is only 1 ft/mi, it is prone to frequent flooding in winter and during high tides. During the Roman era the river was crossed by a ford, and in Anglo-Saxon times formed a boundary between Wessex and Dumnonia. From the medieval period the river served the Port of Bridgwater, enabling cargoes to be transported inland. The arrival of the railways led to a decline and commercial shipping now only docks at Dunball. The Parrett along with its connected waterways and network of drains supports an ecosystem that includes several rare species of flora and fauna. The River Parrett Trail has been established along the banks of the river. (more...)


 * Hi Rod, just wanted to let you know that another article to which you have significantly contributed has been proposed for TFA: Today's featured article/requests. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 04:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

No. 79 Squadron FAC
Hi Rod, I haven't been able to find out why why No. 79 Squadron was awarded battle honours for World War II in 2010 - there's nothing publicly available on this I can find. Nick-D (talk) 04:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

message re; advertising
Hi you sent me a message that I was promoting/advertising. Im a little confused as i was removing promotion/advertising from a particular page.

Snowlimit (talk) 21:47, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance (2)
Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on July 13, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/July 13, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article directors or his delegate, or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  05:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

 

Somerset is a county in South West England. The county town is Taunton, which is in the south of the county. The ceremonial county of Somerset borders Bristol and Gloucestershire to the north, Wiltshire to the east, Dorset to the south-east, and Devon to the south-west. It is partly bounded to the north and west by the coast of the Bristol Channel and the estuary of the River Severn. Somerset is a rural county of rolling hills such as the Mendip Hills, Quantock Hills and Exmoor National Park, and large flat expanses of land including the Somerset Levels. There is evidence of human occupation from Neolithic times, and subsequent settlement in the Roman and Saxon periods. Farming of sheep and cattle, including for wool and the county's famous cheeses (most notably Cheddar), are traditional and contemporary, as is the more unusual cultivation of willow for basketry. Apple orchards were once plentiful, and to this day Somerset is known for the production of strong cider. (more...)

TFA Congrats
Congrats on two TFAs in 6 days! Did Raul not realise that the River Parrett flows through Somerset? What have you got for 19 July? -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure whether to offer congratulations or commiserations – hopefully the articles haven't been suffering too much from their well-deserved turn in the spotlight. Lovely articles, as I would expect from you. BencherliteTalk 10:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks both - the level of vandalism is less than when I've been involved in previous TFAs. Nothing else currently planned (too busy working on Kennet and Avon Canal at FAC) - but I didn't request either of those, so who knows what will happen!&mdash; Rod talk 11:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Very little happened when Buildings of Jesus College, Oxford was at TFA recently - and Bodley's Librarian went through a day at TFL without any edits at all! BencherliteTalk 11:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Somerset Levels
I really hate to overwhelm people with this - but Somerset is really having its golden era on Wikipedia at this moment! I have nominated Somerset Levels for an appearance on the Main Page. The request can be found here. I have put Somerset Levels under the 'Nonspecific date' section in order to let a 'cool down' for the Main Page (Somerset has been mentioned on the Main Page a lot now!). Any suggestions or help would be greatly needed. Somerset Levels will probably not be this week, but it would be in the later weeks to avoid repitition. Thanks, Jaguar (talk) 20:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I see it has been removed as "too soon for another Somerset article", which I think is probably right. Something to think about at some time in the future.&mdash; Rod talk 08:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I just saw that. Hopefully I'll renominate it in a few weeks. Jaguar (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Somerset
Hi I've replied there. I see you do a lot of good work on Somerset topics. Hey if you know of any missing country houses/manors can you add them to List of historic houses in the United Kingdom? I'm trying to build as full as list as possible so would like to see all country houses in Somerset listed! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:08, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Any thing which ends in House, Hall or Manor!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC) Well some houses in the city may have gardens and resemble a country house. Those are OK. But not townhouses. basically anything which is like a gentleman's residence in historical England, they usually end in Hall, Manor, House or Court♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:10, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * One source of ideas is the list of GWR locomotive names. There are Abbeys (nos. 4061-72); Castles; Courts (nos. 2931-55); Granges; Halls of two different types; and Manors. No "Houses", curiously. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:28, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks for adding those. There might be a few missing from Bristol too. Houses with extensive gardens as opposed to townhouses..♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC) I noticed, thanks. Just admiring Kings Weston House actually. If you want to promote any of the houses in Somerset to GA some time I'd be happy to work with you. Does your interest expand into Devon or Cornwall? Because there's tons of houses missing from those counties!! BTW if you come across a house in Bristol or Somerset without Category:Country houses in England can you add it? It could be some small castle which is really more of a manor house. Its just intended like the list to be as full as possible with entries.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC) The reason why I didn't want to split into counties is a] We have Category:Houses in England already split, b] I wanted them all to be together in one category for convenience!

Oh one more thing, sorry to be a nuisance!. If you know of any notable hotels in Somerset please red link them in List of hotels in the United Kingdom. Any country house hotels or notable hotels/inns in the cities will suffice.. I may get around to starting a few. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Info boxes for Somerset castles...
Hi! Hope all's well. I've ordered a couple of books on Farleigh Hungerford castle, so will have a go at that when they arrive. In the meantime, I was wondering if there was a particular Somerset Project style for the infoboxes on Somerset Castles. Elsewhere, I tend to use the military structure infobox, and was tempted to transit some of the castles onto that for consistency, but I wanted to make sure that there wasn't already a consistent Somerset "house style" for infoboxes that I might be cutting across... Hchc2009 (talk) 20:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Kennet and Avon Canal
Ok, I'm done now, hopefully enough to persuade Brianboulton anyway. I'll keep an eye on the nomination and help where I can if there are still any outstanding prose problems. One very small thing: the article; says that the Bridge Inn was previously called the George, but I've never seen a pub call George. Should that be the George Inn? Malleus Fatuorum 22:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Kennet and Avon Canal images on Commons
At your suggestion, I've been categorising Kennet and Avon Canal images from geograph, which include the excellent 1970's images from Dr Neil Clifton. I started at A (Aldermaston) and have been working west at lunchtime (as far as Marsh Benham today) and east in the evening (Ufton Nervet so far).
 * commons:Category:Kennet and Avon Canal
 * commons:Category:Canal bridges on the Kennet and Avon Canal
 * commons:Category:Swing bridges on the Kennet and Avon Canal
 * commons:Category:Canal bridges in the United Kingdom
 * commons:Category:Canal bridges in England
 * commons:Category:Canal bridges in Berkshire
 * commons:Category:Canal bridges in Wiltshire
 * commons:Category:Swing bridges in the United Kingdom
 * commons:Category:Swing bridges in England
 * commons:Category:Swing bridges in Berkshire
 * commons:Category:Tyle Mill swing bridge
 * commons:Category:Swing bridges in Wiltshire

I have also been putting the pre-restoration 1970's images of the canal in Berkshire into commons:Category:1976 in Berkshire

Unfortunately I've run into a pedant on Commons who insists there is no such thing as a "Canal bridge" and that I should have called them "Bridges over canals", as river bridges are already categorised in this way. Unfortunately he is probably right, but I have already created 30+ categories based on this name style, as there were an equal number using each style before I started, so no obvious consensus. Do you, or your canal group have an opinion before I do the entire of England :) Scillystuff (talk) 12:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Background paragraphs on Somerset castles?
Hi, I noticed at first sight that the List of castles in Somerset has been moved into main space now, so I just wondering as I see some red links in there (and I will be willing to destroy them) I would like to find out if there is a background paragraph for articles on castles. There are background paragraphs on hill forts in the area, so would there be a background paragraph for castles in the area as well? It improves the quality and I'm not too keen on creating loads of Stub Class articles for Somerset all at once! Thanks, Jaguar (talk) 09:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm having trouble finding ideas about how to do a background paragraph because all the background paragraphs on the castles I have been looking at just talk about the castles themselves rather than castles in general. I have found out that most of the castles just have a paragraph about the history of the castles themselves. Would this be harder to find for castles in Somerset that just remain as earthworks? Jaguar (talk) 17:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm going to do a stab at the intro to the lists article tomorrow, using Pettifer, Prior and some others. In terms of any background on the individual castles, you'd want to personalise it a bit if its going to be meaningful: in Somerset you've broadly got post-invasion castles (up until 1100-ish); a couple of Anarchy castles; and then the various "new borough" castles up until the 1300s and the likes of Nunney (the nouveau riche castles). Each of those periods would want different sorts of background information Hchc2009 (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The idea of having a background paragraph for hillforts originated because it is not a concept most readers will be familiar with and the main article (hill fort) is in a poor state. Primarily the realm of archaeologists, there is less literature on hillforts than castles so a background section wasn't too difficult to knock together. As castles have a documented history, their background is more complex than that of hillforts and it may be tricky to produce one-size-fits-all paragraph. As Hchc2009 rightly points out, what constitutes relevant background depends on what period the castle dates from. I feel that readers are more familiar with castles, so as article writers we are starting with a slightly more developed knowledge base and the kind of introduction you find in articles such as Burrough Hill might not be necessary. Also, I wouldn't be too keen on presenting issues such as "what is a castle?" to readers before going into detail on a specific site, which I would imagine is what concerns most readers as I would expect them to be interested in local history.
 * That said, if some kind of section could be put together for castles of the Anarchy for instance, I think it would be very useful as readers might not be familiar with the historical context. For castles immediately after the Conquest I think maybe a couple of sentences would be enough to put a particular castle in context as the Norman Conquest is cultural shorthand and something taught in primary schools. Nev1 (talk) 18:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks all for useful comments. I tend to agree that many readers will have a concept of castles and 1066 and all that (but this may be UK bias), however I was less familiar with The Anarchy etc. I think the difficult bit is balancing explaining in the article the context for construction (or a siege etc) and just adding a link so that the reader can go and find out more if it is of interest. A good edit and clean up of the lead would be useful as I sort of threw it together and would be the first to say it is not very good yet. The only redlink I can see on List of castles in Somerset is Castle Orchard which is in Wilts not Somerset. What do people think would be suitable as an infobox or lead image? I have been watching maps appear on List of castles in England and wondered if, when the Somerset one is available, that could be used?&mdash; Rod talk 08:07, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think one of the maps would be ideal; they don't look difficult to do, either, just time consuming! :) I'd suggest as a lead image, as they'll be too big for a infobox though.Hchc2009 (talk) 09:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added a request at User talk:Mjb1981.&mdash; Rod talk 09:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * For the lead image of list of castles in Cheshire I chose Chester Castle as it was arguably the most important castle in the county. Although the image isn't inspiring, and indeed not much of the medieval structure remains, it was the only royal castle in Cheshire, after it passed out of royal control it was the seat of power for the earls of Chester, and was in use for centuries. While Chester was an obvious choice there weren't many other striking photos available, which is a shame as Beeston is a remarkable sight but Wikipedia doesn't really have a photo that does it justice. In the Somerset list, the photo of Nunney Castle stands out. Nev1 (talk) 01:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * On the Chester list a gallery is used for the images. I thought this was "discouraged". We could use the Nunney pic but I have asked about a map, so I would suggest waiting until that is available & see then whether the map, a photo or both fits best. I think the lead needs a bit of a rewrite anyway so may get shorter (or longer) and therefore affect the space available.&mdash; Rod talk 09:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that originally the article had a ribbon of images down the right hand side and at some point it got turned into a gallery. The coverage of Cheshire's castles with regards to images is patchy so not each site has its own. Nev1 (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't have a pic for every Somerset castle either so need to consider the options for these + we have the plans which I don't see on Cheshire. The map has just been installed as a lead image so do we need a photo as well?&mdash; Rod talk 16:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * With the map at the top I don;t think you need another lead image. Nev1 (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Featured Article promotion

 * Congratulations, Rod! Have a good break! Jezhotwells (talk) 17:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Almost there...
...Just to say that I've almost finished polishing up Farleigh Hungerford Castle in user space - User:Hchc2009/Sandbox6. Need a bit more work on the final section, and a bit of a copyedit, and it should be good to go up. I think I've captured most of the literature on it now. I've created a separate article for the picture in the chapel. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And done. Hope you like it! Hchc2009 (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Philip Rahtz
Thanks for your recent work on Philip Rahtz. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Exchange Clock
At WP:Railway times, the Exchange Clock image has a template indicating the image may contain errors. It requires review.

The image is very lovely and would fit nicely in WP:Time zone at History where clocks with two minute hands are mentioned. The image there is almost too small to read and seems to be inappropriately placed. Perhaps it would be suitable in another article.

I had never seen a clock with two minute hands. The image is worthy of much wider exposure to those who use Wikipedia, perhaps even an article of its own because of its significant historical value. Very respectfully,  Tiyang (talk) 09:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Weston-super-Mare Museum
Yes, the museum should be re-named as it's no longer the "North Somerset Museum" (which was owned by North Somerset Council) and is now called "Weston-super-Mare Museum" because it's now managed by Weston-super-Mare Town Council. How do you change a listing title on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WsMTC (talk • contribs) 15:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * When the original museum was closed and the contents transferred to the new site, I think it was called the Woodspring Museum. The premises are the offices of the old gas works (the ones down Oldmixon). Ning-ning (talk) 09:08, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Museum of Somerset
Hi, I've been told you want to polish up the Museum in Somerset page for our reopening? I currently run the Facebook/Twitter feed for MoS so would be happy to help in anyway I can! You can contact me at nawatson@somerset.gov.uk. Best wishes, Natalie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.27.52.146 (talk) 09:27, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

WP England
Hello, I am sorry if this is against policy but it has not been discussed. Many places within England do not have this banner but only WPUKgeo and / or a more specific WikiProject and as the majority of England has more specific projects these seemed much more useful. I have been going through Unassessed WPE looking for some of those which should belong to a specific project (e.g. WPDevon) but do not do so at present. Perhaps it would be better just to add projects if needed rather than deleting any. Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Glastonbury Abbey/GA1
Review has begun, thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Good job Rod. We now have a pass.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Knowle West, Bristol
Hi, Rod. I have nominated this for peer review at Peer review/Knowle West, Bristol/archive1 as I would like to take it to WP:FAC. Any comments that would help achieve this will be most welcome. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all of your comments, I will be checking out reference formatting and then probably nominate for FAC later this month. Also a reminder about Bristol Open Doors day this coming Saturday. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm welcome;)
Thanks for the message..Well,i am a beginner and to be honest,it's not very easy to update some old articles but i won't be hesitating to ask you if i need any help...:)...I am mostly interested in genealogy (includes cemeteries,birth/burial/baptism registers),history,art,theology/religion.. with my best regards ..:) Evangelidis (talk) 19:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Westfield, Somerset
Hello Rodw

Thanks for your message. Yes, very happy to update the pages you suggest. Best wishes, Peteinterpol (talk) 07:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK
OK,thanks. I've never done that before so will need to take a look to see how it works. Thanks Peteinterpol (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Pontificalibus (talk) 19:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for suggesting I nominate Lyncombe, Bath for DYK. I haven't done this before so will aquaint myself with the procedure, but perhaps would you be so kind as to suggest a factoid from the article that might make a suitable "hook"? --Pontificalibus (talk) 19:50, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Saltford Brass Mill
Hello! Your submission of Saltford Brass Mill at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Bahnfrend (talk) 14:29, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Somerset and Wiltshire's projects anniversaries
Hi, happy birthday to WikiProject Somerset (I saw its forth anniversary on its project page) and I was wondering if you knew how to make a table showing all the articles assessed in previous months (like the one shown here). It will be WikiProject Wiltshire's first anniversary in four days and I was wondering how to make a table showing all the previously assessed articles. The draft can be found at User:Jaguar/Sandbox/WiltshireFirstAnniversery. I am trying to make the table but I don't know how to gather the data. If you know how to find the data I'll be very grateful. Thanks, Jaguar (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I'll try asking for help right away. Jaguar (talk) 15:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

North Petherton
As someone whose taken an interest in the related topics, I'd be interested in your comments on my de-merger proposal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.207.59 (talk) 21:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Saltford Brass Mill
Orlady (talk) 08:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Dunster Castle...
Hi! I'm working through Dunster Castle in userspace this week, as promised a while back; hopefully should have got that finished by the end of the week, or at least next weekend. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:37, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Almost there. Vast bulk of the text done, graphics finished off; I still need to finish off the last section, conduct a copy edit and sort out the bibliography, but it's looking nearly sorted. Time for a quick pint before I get those last bits done.Hchc2009 (talk) 10:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done and transferred over. Only query I had was on Carter's article - do you have any page numbers for it? Hchc2009 (talk) 17:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Bath Abbey Good Article
Hi, I have reviewed the Article Bath Abbey which you nominated and I have found it to meet the good article criteria, as such I have now listed it as a good article. Jamietw (talk) 17:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on this; it's quite a transformation in a short time from what it was. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Jamietw (talk) 18:11, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Prior Park
Hi Rod. Lovely job on the article so far. I'll try to find you some sources on the architecture. Congrats on promoting Bath Abbey too!♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

OK you might find something in    There are a large range of potential sources but those are the only ones I found which you can access. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:21, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I reverted my self as after I posted, I realsed it was a bit repetitious with what was already there. I not you have ionic columns, I (Pevsner) have Corinthean, is there a photograph anywhere to check which. I also query your "porte cocheres" I would think that they are either arcades (Pevsner) or collonades. the Pevsner book has quite a bit more that is posted on the internet - so shout if you want me to check somethng more, I will also have a hunt about elsehwere - Pevsner is not always the nost reliable of sources. Giacomo Returned 19:03, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Corinthian on the North (garden) front, Ionic (and attached) on the south (entrance) front, as shown here: http://www.tom-brown.com/articles/independent-schools-will-bounce-back-recession/ I agree about the porte cochere - I can't see how the north portico could ever have been one, although the way the list description is written implies that there were porte cocheres at the outer ends of the colonnades (not obvious in the 1750 engraving on the article page).Ghughesarch (talk) 21:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Reckon you could get Montacute House up to GA status?♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:26, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think Montacute has enough of interest to warrant it, however based on the debate (see Talk:Montacute House) over the infobox. And a related discussion (between largely the same participants) about going for GA and inline references for Brympton d'Evercy on Talk:Brympton d'Evercy, I am discouraged.&mdash; Rod talk 13:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Somerton/GA1
A GAN of Somerton is on hold for an initial seven days to allow contributors time to work on the prose and on developing the lead.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  11:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

A few cricketers
Hi,

I've just been through and added a few Somerset cricketers to the project. For the most part, they are current or former captains who were born in Somerset, but there are a few exceptions, though I doubt any of them are very controversial; adding Ian Botham seems fair enough! I was very surprised to notice that Marcus Trescothick wasn't in the project! Anyway, from here I'll add players that I come across if they seem relevant: I've avoided simply adding every single one who was born in Somerset: but can change that if you'd prefer?  Harrias  talk 19:55, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Botham of course was born at Heswall, Cheshire, but lived in Yeovil for several years. Personally I'd say that if they played in at least one first-class match for Somerset CCC then they qualify for WP Somerset. That might be going too far though... -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:24, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As per your suggestion, I've started a discussion there, thanks.  Harrias  talk 20:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Citations for Yarlington
Hi Rodw

Citations have been added. The article points to the Thomas Rosewell page where there are other ciations about his ancestory. I am in the process of updating the William Rosewell page. I may need some help.

I was born in Wellington, Somst. I lived in Somerton 1941-1952 and then in Yeovil until I emigrated to Australia in 1963. I am a retired soil scientist and my hobby is family history research especially ROSEWELL and COLES.

Cheers Colin

Colinrosewell (talk) 11:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Hundreds
I notice you are creating short articles on the Somerset hundreds. I have made a slow start on the Wiltshire ones. Although the legal and administrative roles of the hundreds were taken away in the 19th century, I believe it's incorrect to say they were abolished then. The lordships of hundreds still exist and some hundreds still have some odd roles. As you may know, the Victoria County History still broadly organizes itself around them. Moonraker (talk) 09:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea, please see here. Moonraker (talk) 10:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Prior Park
The DYK project (nominate) 00:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 *  Did You Know  that Jezhotwells went to school at Prior Park? Jezhotwells (talk) 12:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

William Rosewell completed
I have updated William Rosewell. Would appreciate any comments or suggestions for improvement.

Colinrosewell (talk) 21:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

William Rosewell
Thanks Rodw. I was confused when I saw the Emperor link as well. I have corrected my error.

Cheers Colinrosewell (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I used to work for my state Division of Public Health (and for a University) myself
And as I said, I'm a union steward (and husband of a University clerical). Good luck in your current nonsense, which is pretty damned appalling. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:45, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Cake, Somerset
Your redlink at Taunton Deane (hundred) to Cake, Somerset turned out to Oake. LOL!! Lozleader (talk) 15:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Should we make a redirect for Pudding, Somerset? Sorry my sense of humour is terrible. Jaguar (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Knowle West, Bristol
Hi, thanks for your comments at the peer review. I would appreciate any comments/support that you may care to offer at Featured article candidates/Knowle West, Bristol/archive1. Tx. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your helpful comments in the FAC. Much appreciated. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Admin tools
Would having any of the admin tools be of use to you? Would you be interested in doing any admin related maintenance work?  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  09:36, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Somerton
Well done. Keep up the good work.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  11:30, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out with the article. Jaguar (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Rationale
The rationale is to condense frequently-used words in the columns in the list. A key is provided at the head of the list to clarify "strange" abbreviations. Anyone of sufficient intellect to use a reference work should have the wit also to use the key as appropriate. Somerset and Bristol have not been singled out. Every county will conform to the same standards, as they are all part of List of abbeys and priories in England. And the same will be applied to the lists for Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland and the Isle of Man. 18:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

The thing is that it is not intended to be a narrative, but a list with concise details. Works of reference are often replete with abbreviations - usually of specific terminology, which requires continually consulting the glossary - (such as the following examples from Knowles and Hadcock Medieval Religious Houses England and Wales:            Pennard, E., Somerset. Land at Pennard Minster was granted to a nun at Wilton in 955: AS, no. 563; cf. VCH, ii, 6.

BATH. Early mon. of nuns c. 676, monks of St. Peter recorded in 758, and perhaps rebuilt by Offa (c. 775: Tanner) for sec. canons: v. VCH. Re-fdn. date, v. Birch

For my part I restrict abbreviations to common words, the contractions comprising characters from those words. Where I use reference to specialist terms I put those terms in full: instead of "Tanner" I use "Tanner, Notitia Monastica", or for VCH I use "Victoria County Histories" - making the references much more readily readable than they are in the specialist works, even in their "narrative" body text. JohnArmagh (talk) 18:50, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

OK - thanks for the clarification regarding the historical boundary of Gloucester and Somerset. I will attend to that. JohnArmagh (talk) 18:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I have seen the discussion. I see no point discussing it further. I just hope that those who decide that the abbreviations are unnecessary are prepared to comprehensively go through all the pages, as I have done, to implement their decision, and not just the counties which appeal to them, leaving one great inconsistent and unencyclopedic mess - when I have strived, single-handedly, for consistency over a long period of time. JohnArmagh (talk) 20:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

As far as the contest of the barons goes, I have not yet re-interpreted or further investigated the text as given by Knowles & Hadcock. JohnArmagh (talk) 20:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Botham
Hi; I've added one reference and removed the tag: to be honest, the section is pretty crap to speak bluntly. The matches were of little important, so can probably be cut, and the main incident of the visit: his fight with Ian Chappell isn't mentioned in that section at all! I do plan on completely rewriting this article at some point, but it's going to be such a big project that I keep avoiding it!  Harrias  talk 21:02, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Ely, Cambridgeshire and categorisation in East Cambridgeshire
Hi. Long time no see! I am looking for advice on gaining traction in two areas: Are you able to provide guidance on my next steps --Senra (Talk) 12:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * via article improvements. My hopes are set out and fully linked in this post, Lead writers guild, which includes links to my various unanswered requests for feedback
 * via requested templates where I thought I was asking a simple question but no one seems to have answered. Is it OK to use a nav box template to put a set of articles into a specific category and, in this case, what category should that be?
 * Re point 2: this is discouraged by WP:TEMPLATECAT. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the discouraging link&mdash;pun intended no offence meant&mdash;WP:TEMPLATECAT is clear. Much appreciated --Senra (Talk) 14:25, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I became bold and submitted the Ely, Cambridgeshire article for peer review. As you were my first ever reviewer (see above) would it be wrong of me to ask you kindly to review Ely please? If you are busy, would you be able to recommend a suitable reviewer?
 * --Senra (Talk) 12:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your comments have been most welcome. I have carried out a first pass modifying the article according to your suggestions. I need to do more work before completing all your points, which could take a few days. In the meantime, thank you so much for providing your time to this
 * --Senra (Talk) 19:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I am about to close your peer review after you have had a (very) brief look. I intend to submit this article to GAN unless you have any reason why I should not. I hope I have answered all your queries. Thank you very much for your review --Senra (Talk) 16:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I am about to close your peer review after you have had a (very) brief look. I intend to submit this article to GAN unless you have any reason why I should not. I hope I have answered all your queries. Thank you very much for your review --Senra (Talk) 16:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 2011 M5 motorway crash
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 18:37, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Hamp
I like to create redirects or disambiguation pages for acronyms if they're not already on Wikipedia, and when I typed in "hamp" (after seeing a newspaper article about the HAMP program for mortgages in the U.S.), I ended up in the North Petherton article. What I should have done was type "HAMP" and I would have ended up on the disambiguation page. I think the average person would do what I did. I looked for information on Hamp in the North Petherton article and without looking too closely couldn't see anything outside the lead. I added North Petherton to the disambiguation page so I'm thinking maybe we should change "Hamp" to redirect there. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll give it a try. I'll also fix the disambiguation page. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Galton's Canal lock
Hi Rod. I had to visit Avonmouth this week, so popped down to have a look at Galton's Canal, but could find no sign of a lock, either from the road near Peacock Farm or from the River Brue. I wonder where Cumberlidge got the info about a lock, since it was not part of the 1998 edition of Inland Waterways of Great Britain, but was included in the 2009 edition. Bob1960evens (talk) 13:06, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Kirkcaldy
hi Rodw, can you have a look at the article for me? since the failed nomination for feature article status back in July this year, the article has undergone a copy-edit and tidy-up. however, i have added a bit of information since then about East Burn and Tiel (West) Burn, the covenanting wars, Kirkcaldy War Memorial and recent developments on The Old Kirk. the article still requires a lot of work and i would like to put the article forward again for FAC, sometime next year.

what i have done is include a |link to my own talk page, as advised by Mutt Lunker who has also been giving me a lot of work recently but does not know the FA process very well. Kilnburn (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

List of monastic houses in Somerset & Bedminster
After investigation I have re-assigned Bedminster and provided loccation and pastscape reference. Thanks for drawing my attention to it. JohnArmagh (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Re-Welcome

 * :-)82.27.25.5 (talk) 09:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Monmouthshire etc
See you figured it out before I got chance to get back to you ;) The various location map templates should all be listed in Category:United Kingdom location map templates. Monmouthshire is at Template:Location map Wales Monmouthshire so Map=Wales Monmouthshire, Exmoor is at Template:Location map United Kingdom Exmoor so Map=United Kingdom Exmoor and so on.

The reason for the minor confusion is Somerset's template is at Template:Location map United Kingdom Somerset (so should be called as Map=United Kingdom Somerset, but it also has a redirect from Template:Location map Somerset. This means Map=Somerset works. Redirects like that are not there for the Welsh/Scottish counties so you have to link to the full title.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Ely gallery

 * Do you have an opinion on Ely gallery? An editor is disappointed at my removal of her gallery from the article -- Senra (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see my query on Senra's talk page. Thanks, Ericoides (talk) 10:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Chew Stoke is a small village and civil parish in the Chew Valley, in Somerset, England, about 8 mi south of Bristol. It is at the northern edge of the Mendip Hills, a region designated by the United Kingdom as an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, and is within the Bristol/Bath green belt. The parish includes the hamlet of Breach Hill, which is approximately 2 mi southwest of Chew Stoke itself. Chew Stoke has a long history, as shown by the number and range of its heritage-listed buildings. The village is at the northern end of Chew Valley Lake, which was created in the 1950s, close to a dam, pumping station, sailing club, and fishing lodge. A tributary of the River Chew, which rises in Strode, runs through the village. The population of 905 is served by one shop, two public houses, a primary school and a bowling club. Together with Chew Magna, it forms the ward of Chew Valley North in the unitary authority of Bath and North East Somerset. Chew Valley School and its associated leisure centre are less than a mile (1.6 km) from Chew Stoke. The village has some areas of light industry but is largely agricultural; many residents commute to nearby cities for employment. (more...) UcuchaBot (talk) 23:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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Western Gazette
Hello Rod. I was about to remove the sole entry in the 'References' section of the above article (because I regarded it as spam - it's only a general publisher's website with no specific mention of the article subject), but then had a look at the article history and saw that you'd added the reference. I don't view you as a spammer, so wondered if I was missing something? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:25, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Rivers & canals - KML markup
Rod - take a look at the KML link right at the bottom of River Liffey and click "Display in Google Maps". Pretty good eh? What do you think about proposing it in the Somerset wikiproject for some of our canals and rivers? Creating the KML file is really easy using Google Earth. See the Google Earth specific instructions at WikiProject U.S. Roads/Maps task force/Tutorial. --Bob Re-born (talk) 11:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * See Bridgwater and Taunton Canal. I did the route in Google Earth, then combined the KML output from that with the KML output from the existing KML template in the article. Then I pasted the combined KML data into Talk:Bridgwater and Taunton Canal/KML and the result is pretty spectacular (IMHO). The whole job took less than 5 minutes. Obviously something longer like the Parrett would take more time, but the principle is the same. Perhaps blue would be a better colour than red for a canal, but that is just minor details. I am really interested in what you think of it. --Bob Re-born (talk) 21:38, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

List of rock formations in the United Kingdom
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The Sweet Track is an ancient causeway in the Somerset Levels, England. It was built in 3807 or 3806 BC and has been claimed to be the oldest road in the world. It is now known that the Sweet Track was largely built over the course of an earlier structure, the Post Track. The track extended across the marsh between what was then an island at Westhay, although much of the marsh has now been drained, and a ridge of high ground at Shapwick, a distance close to 2000 m. The track is one of a network that once crossed the Somerset Levels. Construction was of crossed wooden poles which were driven into the waterlogged soil to support a walkway that consisted mainly of planks of oak, laid end-to-end. The track was only used for a period of around 10 years and was then abandoned, probably due to rising water levels. Following its discovery in 1970, most of the track has been left in its original location, with active conservation measures taken, including a water pumping and distribution system to maintain the wood in its damp condition. Some of the track is stored at the British Museum and a reconstruction of a section was built at the Peat Moors Centre near Glastonbury. (more...) UcuchaBot (talk) 23:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Delighted to see your name on my watchlist once again. Sorry to see the reasons for your absence, of course. Look forward to reading whatever treats you have lined up for us! Best wishes, BencherliteTalk 18:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Dorset FAC
As there has been little activity for a few days, thought I'd better let you know that the article is still being worked on. I have been doing some research, and a number of discussions have been taking place elsewhere among interested parties. Regards--Ykraps (talk) 07:52, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Witham Friary
Oops! Sorry about that :( --76.105.145.143 (talk) 23:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Dorset
Hello Rodw. Thanks once again for the valuable comments you left at Featured article candidates/Dorset/archive1. we have taken them on board and done our best to incorporate them into the article. Do you have any further advice or suggestions? All the best--Ykraps (talk) 07:00, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Somerset
Hello Rod, Yes, I think so, but I don't (yet) know what it is. The Toolserver link works 95% of the time, I have added it to all other English and Welsh links (List of places in England) and only Somerset, Lancashire and County Durham don't work. Toolserver and the template { { GeoGroup } } are a bit erratic - they only reflect data updates after a few days and sometimes don't work. I am hoping that someone will explain or show me how to control them, but so far no luck. Any ideas. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 10:54, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * At the moment I can only suggest waiting for a few days until Toolserver sorts itself out. (in Lancashire I moved the link to External links to avoid confusing too many visitors, but in Somerset I was hoping that somebody would accept the challenge and fix it.) Chienlit (talk) 13:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * As if by magic it now works. I have a feeling the elves only work at weekends, but I forgot to test it on Sunday to see if was fixed. Thanks for your patience. Chienlit (talk) 16:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If you zoom in and turn on Wiki places, you have everything necessary to go batty whilst adding extra places to the list. e.g. I have no idea why Comeytrow doesn't work. Sorry. :( Chienlit (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * p.s. I assume that they wont show until after next weekend.


 * Oops. Sorry about my sloppy terminology - I only meant click the standard 'Wikipedia' option in the drop down box on the right. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oops. Sorry about my sloppy (rushed) testing - Comeytrow does work, but for some reason the flag is not in the same place as the Wikipedia icon on the map. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 17:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Tuttebury
Hello Rod Firstly, thank you for adding that extra information. I did not remove that information, I put it all into one paragraph so it looked more professional. Please just revert if you like it dropping down the page. Bashereyre (talk) 11:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Rod, I have replied to your post- on both yours and mine.Bashereyre (talk) 11:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Clevedon Pier
"The tests involved the placement of polythene tanks 50 ft (15.2 m) long, 5 ft (1.5 m) wide and 2 ft (0.6 m) deep filled to a depth of 10 in (25.4 cm), which created a pressure of 50 psf (2 kPa)." I'm no engineer, but I don't believe that's "pressure" is it? From what I vaguely remember, pressure isn't directional, whereas force is, in this case downwards. In other words, there was no upwards or sideways pressure of 50 psf from the tanks was there? Malleus Fatuorum 23:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Exeter War Memorial
Would you please take a peak and tweak. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 23:15, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The decimal coordinates I found and inserted are off the mark. 7&amp;6=thirteen (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 23:32, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bridgwater War Memorial
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Keynsham Humpy Tumps
Hi Rod. Are you sure that photo is of the correct site? I've been there a couple of times but can't quite place that view, although the wood in the background is Cleeve Wood, which is a little to the north, so it's definitely in the vicinity. SP-KP (talk) 10:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks. The site is roughly at ST645698, so a few hundred metres west of the photo. I agree about the lack of official documents. I wonder if an EIR request to B&NES council would unearth something? Have you used WhatDoTheyKnow.com, which is quite good for such things, as it gives you an online version of the document which you can use as a WP reference? SP-KP (talk) 10:57, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Unfortunately, none of those images seem to be of the right area. SP-KP (talk) 12:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Glastonbury Town
Added it to the list of club stubs at the Non-League Football taskforce. We're gradually working through them so we'll get round to adding a new non-copyrighted history section at some point. Cheers  Del <sub style="color:black;">♉ sion 23  (talk)  21:26, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Rod, thanks for the welcome you left on my Talk page. As you may have seen, I am very much a beginner editor on Wikipedia and realise that there is much to learn, especially about User page and Talk. My next task is to put something on my User page.

I am particularly interested in north Cornwall and north Devon and have one or two ideas for a new page. In particular I may want to expand a section on an existing page and spilt it off into a new one. I need to look through the Help section first, but I may come back to you for some advice. Thanks for the welcome. --Winwaloe (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Wells Cathedral School
Hi, Rodw. I reverted the IP vandalism on the above article, but have not blocked the IPs, since they each only made a single edit or two. If the vandalism from different IPs continues, you can request page protection at WP:RFPP. Regards, Parsecboy (talk) 16:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Not a problem at all. Here's an easy way to undo multiple edits from different IPs: go into the page history and click on the last good revision, and then edit that version of the page. It will warn you that you're editing an old version, but just go ahead and save the page. Hope that helps in the future. Parsecboy (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Wardour Castle
Just a note to let you know I am using this picture of yours for the DYK nomination of Matthew Arundell. It's very good! Moonraker (talk) 08:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hollow Marsh Meadow
Hi. Unfortunately the Marsh Fritillaries are long gone, which is a shame as they're a very attractive butterfly. Here's a reference you can use if you'd like to update the article: http://www.butterfly-conservation.org/uploads/ap-south_west.pdf

SP-KP (talk) 19:02, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

OMG
I didn't know there were two Cam valleys in Somerset, - Sorry. Tommy Pinball (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)