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I want to make sure you are aware of this
An editor referred to you, but not by name, here:, and I want to make sure that you are aware of it. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:39, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm not thrilled about it - I don't really see how complaining about the formulations article helps to build a consensus for a RoundUp article, but I don't think my getting involved at Jimbo's talk page is likely to be more productive then previous attempts at discussion. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 17:53, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that makes good sense. I just felt that it would be unfair to you if you didn't know. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:00, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

DTR
Per this edit, I would like to remind you of the essay WP:DTR. Regards! --T*U (talk) 21:02, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I thought the warning was required as part of the AN3 complaint? Seraphim System  ( talk ) 21:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It is (although it doesn't have to be via template). --Tryptofish (talk) 21:12, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, will leave a personal note next time. Thanks for the reminder. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 21:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

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Page mover granted
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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! S warm  ♠  20:53, 28 August 2018 (UTC) Welcome to the cabal. I would recommend you to use Andy's script. You can find a few more interesting things at User:Usernamekiran/common.js. Regards, — usernamekiran (talk)  19:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
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1RR violation
This is actually breaking 1RR. Restore the original version or I'll report you to AE.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 22:38, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point in reverting now- I made the edit at 22:05, and my edit last night was at 22:09, but if I self-reverted I would just immediately restore it again since it is no longer within 1RR. Besides, all I did was copy consensus content from the lede of the main article. Since you also violated 1RR with your original revert at 21:13, filing at AE would really be in frivolous complaint territory. This message seems more like WP:BATTLEGROUND. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 23:06, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I was not really expecting this to be challenged since it was stable content from the second paragraph of the lede of the Yom Kippur War article, but I started a talk page discussion at 1973 oil crisis. Seraphim System ( talk ) 23:46, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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Stormfront (website)
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Invite to talk page discussion
I made a nice talk page discussion about your revert as part of the BRD cycle. I would be happy to have you participate. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 02:56, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I commented on the talk page. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 02:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi again. Don’t mean to be a bother, but I also should have requested your thoughts here. It’s... more fundamental to cleanup, I think.

Also, could you let me know what counts as a good source in Turkey-related articles and what sources are low-quality? Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 03:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018
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Some?
Hi there, Seraphim. I noticed that at the end of your statement at my AE, you said you were on the receiving end of "some" of my comments in question. Did you mean to say "one", or are there more? If you meant "one" could you please amend? Thank you. And if you do find my behavior as leaning toward problematic, which you imply by saying I might need to be banned one day, it would be helpful if you would spell out exactly what you see as a problem. Thanks much,   petrarchan47  คุ  ก   08:30, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't support topic banning a good faith editor for getting heated during a particularly difficult and controversial discussion, but if you need me to spell out exact what was wrong with some of the comments you made during that discussion (in multiple places), I think most likely we will end up back at AE down the line anyway. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 17:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thinking back on it, you're right to say I was heated. I was downright freaked out, I could not believe what I was witnessing. The timing was just strange, but that appears to be coincidental. It wasn't too long ago that making a statement like the one I did was par for the course. Only since the GMO ArbCom has it been dodgy to speak the truth. [And by "truth" I simply mean, one's personal take on things, not capitol-T-Truth] I do apologize for what must feel like an affront to your good work and efforts. On the other hand, please realize that the examples brought forth go back 8 years, and none rose to the level of "casting aspersions" as far as the admins were concerned, so I don't agree with your warning that "we'll just end up back at AE". If you haven't noticed, AE is sometimes used as a way to rid unwanted editors, and ending up at AE doesn't mean the recipient is actually guilty of anything. I did want you to spell it out (speak with me like a fellow human) which is why I came here. It was worth a shot. Cheers,   petrarchan47  คุ  ก   21:22, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if you feel I was not speaking to you like a fellow human - to answer your question, strictly speaking, I would say any accusation of behavioral misconduct or saying an editor should be topic banned outside an administrative forum, without being able to produce evidence when requested, would be considered an aspersion. However, I've never seen anyone sanctioned for these types of comments unless there was overwhelming evidence of a long term pattern of personal attacks/aspersions. There is too much of a risk of having a chilling effect on discussion unless the evidence is really clear and overwhelming. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 22:17, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018
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