User talk:Sergecross73/Archive 10

Battlefield of the Mind soundtrack
Are you going to add anything about this to Lo-Pro as one of the "side-projects"? I tried to find more specific details, but couldn't find much other than Pete Murray doing vocals on couple of tracks ("No Words" and "Tear it Down") and him and Neil Godfrey playing Whisky a Go Go Apr 24 with other musicians who contributed to the project. . Just a thought ;) --Sk4170 (talk) 20:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been meaning to add that to the article. Thanks for saying something. Yeah, I've recently overhauled the article, partially because I'm so much better with Wiki-standards and writing than I was in 2009 and 2010 when I originally wrote the Lo-Pro article, and partially to get rid of the "Side-Projects" section because people kept on inflating it with trivia and very loosely related info that didn't really belong. I still kept the more important side-project info in the article though, and I just moved it into the respective timeframes for the band. In that respect, it could definitely be added to the article, in the most recent subsection. I'll do that soon. (I've actually thought about making a "Battlefield of the Mind" article, as I think it could in theory be argued to be notable considering all of the well-known artists from notable bands that are involved, but I've seen so few sources on it, I havne't felt I could attempt it yet...) Sergecross73   msg me   20:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I knew you had to be aware of this, and wondered if you forgot ;). Found that the soundtrack is listed on Staind for some reason. In all, looks like a very low-scale project. Just want to add that you're doing a great job with the Lo-Pro articles :) --Sk4170 (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words! Glad to see someone notices my work on the Lo-Pro articles; so few people edit them besides me, I sometimes wonder how much goes noticed even. (Not that it matters that much, I just enjoy making really cleaned up and detailed articles for a band that meets the WP:GNG but doesn't get a whole lot of attention, the type that usually only super popular/mainstream acts get...) Sergecross73   msg me   21:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Interaction ban question
I hate to bother you, but just in general, if X violates their agreement not to interact with Y, would X or Y report the problem to an administrator or ANI or tell them that they have violated their agreement not to interact with the other (i.e. the incident where Yworo had an IP stalker that had an interaction ban, which later turned into a community ban on the IP for his harassment back in 2011, even though I am not involved)? Also, is X exempt from an interaction ban if Y is site banned? I just want to ask for a clarification (and also, this has nothing to do with me in particular, just users in general). Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) An admin or ANI would be just fine, in my opinion. Sometimes its best to go back to whichever Admin "made it official" for the quickest/easiest results.
 * 2) I would think that, while an interaction ban would be largely irrelevent if one of the members was community banned, I would still think that the interaction ban would still be in effect for the short time that the community banned person were around before inevitably indef blocked for violating it. If there were 2 people with an interaction ban, and one was community banned, I would think it would be best if the one who isn't community banned would just report the other one, without any interaction to the other person, to an admin or ANI.
 * (These are just my interpretations of policy. I suppose it could go differently if consensus felt otherwise or something.) Sergecross73   msg me   14:44, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks. By the way, Sonic Adventure is now a GA. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:05, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Very nice work! So what's next? Do you plan on moving on to another Sonic article? Or do you have other things in mind? Sergecross73   msg me   13:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Planning to get the first three Sonic games, Sonic R and Sonic CD to GA status obviously. And also to get the Sonic video game list to FL status. Also, in case you or any one of your TPS folks are aware, I've started up a new entry on my daily thoughts here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm flattered that my talk page could be considered populated enough to be a platform for promotion, haha. But yes, good luck with exams, and don't let any Wiki-drama distract you from such important real life things. Sergecross73   msg me   13:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. It's crunch time at college obviously and I basically used DarthBotto's page as a model for my daily thoughts. I think that these previous discussions about my involvement with long-term abusive users have emphasized the fact that, as they say, some things are just not worth the risk, you know? I do intend to work on Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game), but I will have to have this article peer reviewed first if there are no objections. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, just so you are aware, Dreadstar has returned after 10 days. I think that was a case of Don't feed the divas after all. Other than that, let's "keep calm and carry on." Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:48, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI
Hi. I don't really know if you are aware of this, but Fladrif is involved in a discussion regarding his block/unblock and incivility at ANI. Just wanting to give you a heads up on the matter. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I took a look after you told Salvidrim. He looks like another one of those editors that is bound to be indef blocked sooner or later because of his unwillingness or inability to place nice. Sergecross73   msg me   00:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * All right. Thanks. By the way, in spite of our disagreements and controversies that we have been involved, I want to also commend you for your work as a video game contributor and an administrator, in addition to Salvidrim and others who may be watching. I also want to apologize if I was ever uncivil in anyway or caused issues with users in any way whether its intentional or unintentional. I honestly didn't mean for some of the past and current things to happen. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words! I don't believe you've ever really cause me any trouble, I just hope you don't cause yourself undue stress when dealing with difficult editors. But you know your limits better than I. Congrats on the Sonic Adventure GA. I'm sorry my wiki-attention span is so random, sporadic, and fickle that I don't always assist you as much as I initially intend.  Sergecross73   msg me   02:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings at all. Thanks. At least I have moved on from that dispute with Niemti. In fact, a user has apologized to me since he realized that he made some observations that were in a negative light. Now then, Sonic the Hedgehog has a peer review in case you are interested in it. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Meh
No offense, but I see you as a bias admin. Niemti clearly did something wrong, and other editors are continuing to follow that trend. And you agree and allow it? What is that? I may be difficult, but definitely not impossible. I prefer every ANI encounter dealt by some other Admin.Lucia Black (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well then, again, best of luck. You've got a lot of uphill battles ahead of you at this rate, with your attitude and interpretations of policy. Sergecross73   msg me   00:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I am trying to help Lucia Black calm down and have pointed out relevant information of policies. I've also reminded her if she wants to let off steam, she shouldn't do it on Wikipedia, which is a collaborative environment. We'll see what happens. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Look, if someone has a personal issue with my attitude, fine. Its not like I'm like this with every1. Example: Some editors in WP:SE seem to find me reliable. Just as another specific editor has made it difficult to discuss, with constant cursing when irritated, constantly deletes discussions in his talkpage without closure. Etc.  Interpretation of policies are fine.Lucia Black (talk) 00:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have issues with others, I think it's always best to apologize to the users if that makes you feel bad. Lucia Black, I do see you as a good editor. However, I do feel that it's best if you should distance yourself from difficult editors who are causing you stress. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your efforts, SJones. I won't interact with her, as to not cannibalize your efforts. Thanks! Sergecross73   msg me   00:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just don't want her or myself to get involved in contentions confrontations with other users who give us extra trouble. Judgesurreal777, a fellow member of the Square Enix WikiProject, supported my comment at User talk:Lucia Black regarding the possible issues she may have with other users. I am sorry she feels that way about some other users. If someone asks a user not to post on their talk page, they really shouldn't unless they have to. They will have to take extra steps to be respectful. Posting on a user's talk page after being asked not to violates the Wikipedia harassment policy. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Farewell
I am sending this message to the users who I have closely collaborated with. I will be taking a temporary Wikibreak for at least 5-7 days to let off some steam and get myself reenergized. Some of the stress has got to me, so I think it's best if I should take a couple of days off. I also have final exams coming up as well, so I have more important things to worry about. I, however, will be here to contribute to some articles that I have worked on. Until then, farewell. With my very best and warmest regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, just responded at WP:VG. Anyways, that's always good, to take a break so you don't wear yourself out. (Since its ultimately just a hobby, you have to make sure you enjoy it, or you won't feel the need to come back.) This way, you can concentrate on wrapping up school too. (Or if you already have, you can just take it easy a bit.)


 * Enjoy your time off. See you around. Sergecross73   msg me   20:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Part of this Wikibreak could also stem from my frustration over Wikipedia's inability to deal with a couple of persistently disruptive users (i.e. those with a bullying or battleground mentality in general or those who seem to be oblivious to their own uncivil behaviors), combined with my frustration and realization of my immaturity in some of my approaches to dealing with these users, and also my realization that a couple of users' comments towards me were in a negative light. Also, some users have recently subjected me to very serious personal abuse and constant uncivil behavior, but I have mostly moved on from that. Some of those things can basically say that "some things are just not worth the risk", you know? I will still be around though during my Wikibreak, just having a lot of things on my mind at the moment (especially the last weeks of my last semester before graduation, it's crunch time) until my break ends, at which point I will be reenergized. I will also still partially work on proposal that I have in mind, which is at an RFC at the moment. I think this will be my last message before my Wikibreak. Best of luck in your future endeavours as well. See you on the other side, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

PlayStation Vita - IFixit
As stated earlier, you guys could be a bit more thorough when reverting edits that _seem_ like they're breaking the rules at first, but then it turns out that they don't.

iFixit is not a "self published blog" by some random blogger. It's a company. A fairly known one, to be honest. A simple googling would've found the same thing from things like CNN anyway. --Diblidabliduu (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, its most definitely a blog, as seen in http://www.ifixit.com/blog/2012/02/16/playstation-vita-teardown/, and much of it is self-published, as seen its tagline "iFixit is the free repair manual that you can edit., though I do see that not all of their info is self-published.
 * Yes, one editor did revert mmy edit, but that doesn't mean either of us is right or wrong yet. There is no WP:CONSENSUS yet on whether or not its a useable source. Per WP:BRD, the next step is "Discuss", of which I have in fact followed through on; I've started up a discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Ifixit Please give your opinion there. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me   16:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure in which one are you planning on continuing this, but:


 * Ok, let's get the facts straight. iFixit. It's not a blog. It's a company that posts their _guides_ in a "bloggish" fashion, since they merged that section with the main site. This site also sells parts for people to use with these guides to repair their devices, as well as providing a forum for any further questions.


 * Now the "random guy" argument. Again, we are talking about a company with multiple employees in an attempt to create reliable, easy-to-read information on your device and guides on things like how to deal with it when it breaks down. The fact that they had a blog doesn't mean that's all they are, or above all that it's written by a _single_ person.


 * And finally, as it already turned out in the CNN article, they were right about what they said.


 * I don't understand why is it so hard for you guys to admit when you're wrong. --Diblidabliduu (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see my response at the link above, as I've addressed most of that already, and keep the discussion in one place. Sergecross73   msg me   17:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Mario Party 3DS
Thanks for your comment. I still think it should be moved; I just thought that it wasn't really worth the effort as there is nothing especially wrong with the current title and the release name is probably going to end up being "Mario Party 3DS" anyway. The current title just is slightly confusing as people may think that to be the game's title; when in reality it's "Mario Party" but for the 3DS. The original title is more accurate. Thanks.  Satellizer el Bridget  ツ  23:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I just went ahead and moved it back, as I didn't see any rationale or discussion for the first move, and we both feel the same way. In theory, per WP:BRD, if the other editor still feels strongly about it, they'll start up a discussion on the talk page, and we can explain ourselves there. Sergecross73   msg me   13:30, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)
Yeah, that's what I meant by "it could be moved to the first if not removed" in my original edit comment. That said, that would further clutter the first paragraph which is already quote-heavy. (I also question the notability of Common Sense Media in this context). –Gunslinger47 20:11, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My concern was that your rationale in the edit summaries was more about where it fit in the paragraph than the actual content. I'm pretty sure it can be fit in one way or another. As far as CSM goes, they strike me as a reliable source. If you check their "About Us" page at http://www.commonsensemedia.org/about-us/our-mission you can see they clearly have an editorial policy, clearly defined staff, a mission statement, etc, which is usually a good indicator of reliability. As far as expertise goes, they cover "media", something Sonic and video games clearly fall into, so it doesn't seem like they're outside their experise either. If you still disagree, and want to discuss further, we can, but we ought to have it on the article's talk page, or WP:VG or something, where we can get more input. Thanks! Sergecross73   msg me   14:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

The issue
Given the issue, and my error, I will take a break from dealing with Lucia and the related pages for the time being. With a bit of a break, it did come across as a bit rude, especially from an outside view. The matter may already have been decided as pointed out, but the damage is done and has cost much support before I could formally announce it. I doubt I even have Bumbelzellio left and while I intended it to be a sort of taskforce it needed to be formally separate for many reasons I gave. I'll just busy myself with creating and improving other pages, like the DBZ one so when that AFC closes I can push the page out. I cannot resolve the problem by myself, and being nice and begging for cooperation doesn't help either. I am glad Knowledgekid87 has accepted my apology, I do not want to fight with editors here. It causes more hassle that results in damage to content and a waste of time. I just do not know how to handle it, and I want input on how to proceed after my self-imposed break from that area. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, when dealing with difficult editors, if you can't get a clear consensus that supports your stance, and discussions are deadlocked, it can be best to work on something else instead, on or off Wiki. I personally recommend to work on more obscure articles, rather than something more mainstream like DBZ, when I need a break arguing with other editors. That can help because there's usually less collaborations or strong feelings about them, and thus, less confrontations and arguments. Some time working in that sort of environment can help you have more tolerance/patience when discussions get more heated at other articles later on.


 * Anyways, feel free to ask me for advice or commentary whenever. Sergecross73   msg me   20:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

If I create accounts, do administrators know my ip address? How to know my ip address if I create accounts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fceefyahoo.ca (talk • contribs) 22:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

E3 2013 sources
Okay. I added in the sources that IGN's wiki used instead. However you did delete some things I had added that were not using the wiki in the first place. Please make sure you know what you delete before you do so. Thanks! UberPyro64 msg me 23:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding new sources. Sorry if I removed some that weren't bogus. Sergecross73   msg me   00:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Ibuki
I eventually moved it to rec myself. Since you care about it so much you decided to misdirect the attention, for some reason. --Niemti (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It wasn't meant to be misdirection, it was an explanation in response to your "outrage" how no one's really listening to you at ANI. No one wants to waste their time helping out someone who is difficult and condescending every step of the way, and has been accused of doing the same exact thing (ownership issues) in the recent past. Feel free to continue to be bewildered and "severly disappointed" with Wikpedia, but the truth is that you keep shooting yourself in the foot by the way you act. Sergecross73   msg me   16:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not about "helping out me", it's about REPAIRING A HUGE DAMAGE DONE to Wikipedia (and stopping it from occuring further). How many times I need to repeat it's not about me to make clear it's in fact, guess what, not about me? --Niemti (talk) 16:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * How many times must you be told that I won't give the time of day to someone who can't show an ounce of respect? (That's you.) If things are as dire and widespread as you say, then perhaps someone with more tolerance for attitude and disrespect will hear you out. (Not me.) Sergecross73   msg me   16:43, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Whoever told you to give your time "to me"? Not me. (And fact you're giving your time to me right now. But anyway.) I can force my way through alright, it's about all those who didn't. --Niemti (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Responding to you takes a couple seconds. Researching your qualms with TOJ would take a bit more. Best of luck with your "forcing", its been working great for you so far... Sergecross73   msg me   17:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be also better if you at least didn't try to misdirect attention while "giving your time" to show how much you don't care. (Also, onc again, it's not "my qualms". I was citing only other people.) --Niemti (talk) 17:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Why are you still talking to me? I don't understand. Just arguing for the sake or arguing? What next? Would you like to question why why I used a colon instead of semi-colon in one of my responses or something? You can stop the theatrics, we're just on my talk page now, and far fewer people are watching. I've already explained my comments weren't misdirection, and its very clearly "your qualms" too if you're the one pushing for it at ANI. Any argument otherwise is just semantics. The point is, you're not getting anywhere here, so go away. Sergecross73   msg me   17:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Virtual Console 3DS
May have a potential problem at List of Virtual Console games for Nintendo 3DS (North America). An editor made a bold modification to the list of the games, but I've undone it as it's a fundamental redesign of the article and have requested discussion. I'm not making anymore changes to avoid an edit war, but I would like a second set of eyes on this. Your opinion is most welcome. -- McDoob AU93  16:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup, I was watching it and leaving a comment on the person's talk page at the same time you were writing this. Will comment on articles talk page if things keep going this way. Thank you for the heads up anyways though, it would have been easy to miss.  Sergecross73   msg me   16:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did notice the timing was rather quick. I don't think I'm in the wrong in this case, but if I'm handling things incorrectly, please let me know. I accept any and all constructive criticism of my work. :) -- McDoob  AU93  16:19, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I agree with you in keeping it at its original state, but I would like to hear more about the other person's rationale. The only reason they gave was "convenient sortabilty"...but I would find it to be equally sortable in either scenario. If anything, it seemed to be better organized for sorting with separate subsections. Sergecross73   msg me   16:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) peer review
While I am still on a semi-Wikibreak due to exams and the stress from dealing with other users, mainly those who cause intentional disruption Wikipedia or posted things in a negative light about me as well as the now-indef blocked Fladrif's personal attack on me and other users, namely Dreadstar, AGK, Penbat (who was being wikihounded by Fladrif) and Ched, which was really hateful and condescending (that has already been dealt with), I am almost recovering my enthusiasm and am almost ready to serve the community since the final exams have already been dealt with. I was wondering what we should do to the Sonic the Hedgehog video game since the peer review for the Sonic the Hedgehog video game is still active. I think we should use Crash Bandicoot (video game) and Super Mario Bros. as good models for articles since they are both GA. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. I commonly use Smb personally, but it might be better to use the Crash one in this case since it seems to emphasize the dev section, which would probably be good for the very first Sonic game. Sergecross73   msg me   01:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that's good enough for me. I think the development section on this article should be expanded. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:57, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Czar raises some good questions in the peer review... But I don't know how many of the answers are actually available. I guess we'll see...  Sergecross73   msg me   02:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand where you're coming from. Now, about Sonic Shuffle, we may need to continue working on that as well. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, having discovered the comment by Fladrif posted on my talk page over a month ago, which I find to be utterly disgraceful and resentful, was actually a venomous comment part and later became part of a larger discussion at ANI (Keithbob, a user familiar with Fladrif's history, called that comment part of the condescending and offensive way Fladrif treated me and other users) which resulted in an indefinite block on his account because of his personal attacks and heckling (I know of his history before the ANI incident took place and find his comments off-putting from the beginning), at least I don't have to put up with these issues anymore (since that was totally beyond my control) and I feel that my faith in the community is partially restored. That's all water over the dam now. But back to the Sonic the Hedgehog article, we should find some more development info from reliable sources. If there are, would that be acceptable to post on the article's talk page? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:20, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that comment and didn't like that either. Not sure if you noticed, but I did warn him for it. He removed it, but it was restored in his last ANI discussion at least. Sergecross73   msg me   19:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did notice that obviously. At least I don't have to put up with that nonsense anymore. :-) But I digress. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure, he removed it almost instantly. Anyways, in the coming week, I'll try to help some with both Sonic 1991 and Sonic Shuffle. Sergecross73   msg me   20:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. In any case though, I think it's best not to get involved in contentions confrontations not only on Wikipedia, but in real-life in general. I think that all of Fladrif's comments and people viewing me in a negative light is what I considered to be unjustified and I am shocked to discover that people have posted ongoing questionable aspects on my behavior (i.e. getting involved in civility disputes as an established editor) which I feel to be shameful. Such comments are disgraceful and that's one of the reasons I refuse to deal with users who cause me undue stress or get involved in contentious confrontations on Wikipedia out of my own free will. In any case, I am not at all humiliated nor am I a liar, but if one takes a look at my User:Sjones23/Barnstars, these can easily dispel any false allegations that anyone (even those that are being abusive or disruptive) has about me. Best wishes. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, you don't have to convince me. Though, don't forget, even if you were completely hated and looked down upon...they're all just random people you'll never meet in real life, or have an impact on your real life. As long as your content is still there, then it doesn't really matter what they think of you. But that's just a "worst case scenario" type thought, don't let a few bad apples let you think you are despised around the place or anything. I'd think you're largely respected around here, so don't give the others a second thought anymore! Sergecross73   msg me   20:01, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand. A lot of people think I am well-respected, but I will leave it at that for now. More importantly, I think other users should be moving on from contentious confrontations to do other things like contribute to video game and anime articles for instance. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In fact, in this comment on my talk page, Ched has realized that he "made some observations in the past that were in a negative light" about me and apologized if he has offended me personally since I did apologized to him on the talk page if I have caused any trouble or was uncivil. That also made me regain some faith in the community somewhat. So, with that, I have nothing more to say about the past problems for now. But back to Sonic the Hedgehog, the development section needs to be expanded on somewhat. Also, I think Sonic Generations should be expanded on as well as Sonic Adventure 2. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Anyways, I've started to work on the Sonic the Hedgehog article and fixed up some of the peer review concerns as well. Even though I stand by my opinions about disruptive editors, some discussions on the drama boards were just not the right place for my opinion to be expressed. I'm sure that I have lost my temper with people on occasion and posted some regrettable things. However, part of that’s one of the things that separates me from my dealings with some disruptive editors that I have been referring to in the past. I always regret my outbursts, I have apologized for them and I try not to do those things like that again. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry about any of that anymore, no one's taking you to ANI, and you don't really need to impress anyone (except GA reviewers I suppose). Content creation is all that matters. On that topic, did you hear that they're making a "3D Classics" port of the original Sonic? Its already in the article, but we'll have to be on the look out for any developments on that, if anything substantial comes from it. (It may not, it may just be a pretty basic port w/ 3D graphics.) Sergecross73   msg me   19:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. So anyways, we should be on the lookout for it and include it in the list of Sonic the Hedgehog video games, which I intend to make it a FL. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * While a new Sonic game has announced, I did manage to apologize to both Kurtis and Georgewilliamherbert if I have caused any trouble and explained what happened after the AN discussion concerning me which Ched's comments cast me in a negative light and I have mentioned you on GWH's talk page. Just wanted to let you know about this. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you've gotten closure on all that. (Though, I can't imagine people still being upset with you on how you've acted. You never really, as far as I've seen, outright attacked anyone or anything, it just seemed like sometimes you pursued things a bit too far. If you stop bringing it up, you may very well find that not only are people not upset about it, but that they've forgotten about things altogether. I think you worry too much!) Sergecross73   msg me   14:14, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, and I found almost all people are not being upset at me about these issues. Kurtis was not really upset at me, but also pointed out to me that "[the non-interaction agreement] is not a reflection of poor judgment on [my] part so much as it is [his] hope that everyone can come to some sort of a solution involving as little drama as possible" and I think that has made things mostly easier for everyone. So with that, most people are not upset about it, not even Kurtis and Ched. I'm not upset about it either but that's all water under the bridge now. I never worry too much as I don't care about getting involved in disputes since it is not my thing anyway. Some people's accusations towards me are very disgraceful and people can drag up some of my past problems with other users, but I have nothing more to say on this matter for now. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 14:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad it all worked out then! Sergecross73   msg me   14:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, I feel that almost all of it sure has. Even though I stand by my community decisions and I try not to go too far in my dealings, I am obviously willing to forgive users if they change their behavior completely and follow the civility policy, but I cannot really forgive those that don't change. In any case, I am not at all upset when I try to explain the truth of my actions and when I bring some things up to set the record straight, but it was really nice enough for Ched to apologize to me for his comments at that AN discussion (that apology did mean much to me as a veteran Wikipedian), so at least that has also restored some faith in the community for me. Sometimes it's best to try to let the chips fall until the time comes. Almost everyone thinks that I am a well-respected user, but there are a few who don't and are quick to point out many faults because they don't know me or they are just being contentious. Now then, getting back to the Sonic the Hedgehog discussion, what do you think we should do: address the PR concerns now or, since I am a member of the guild of copy-editors, request a copyedit from me or any of the guild's members? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 14:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I think we should work on some of he PR stuff first; I think there's no rush to move too fast with a C/E because I wonder if there may be some stability issues with the release of the 3D port to the 3DS... Sergecross73  msg me   17:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

A voice of reason

 * Thank you. At the time, I wasn't even sure if anyone was listening to me. Thanks for the reassurance! Sergecross73   msg me   06:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

device band
Why did you remove me saying that they won a award at golden gods Wikiguy303952 (talk) 05:40, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Not only did your edit lack a reliable source backing up what you say, or any sort of context as far as what that's supposed to mean, but it was extremely sloppy. You didn't even bother to capitalize anything or put a period at the end of your "sentence".  Sergecross73   msg me   05:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Here is a source http://www.metalinjection.net/show-recap/revolver-golden-gods-awards-2013-winners-and-performance-highlights and sloppiness can be fixed by you or others that's not reason to delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiguy303952 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, you didn't leave a source, so again, I had no idea what the context was, or if that was even a notable award. So it was difficult to clean up. Also, in my experience, if someone doesn't even bother to write a full sentence, frequently its vandalism or not important. Its one thing to not be familiar with Wikipedia's ways and whatnot, sure, that takes time, but its really up to you to clean up your writing, if you want to actively contribute and have people take your edits seriously...  Sergecross73   msg me   15:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Xbox One
Hi could you add confirm edit which means an user who edits the page and then the edit goes under pending and an administrator will ether accept it or revert it if you can add that please remove the protection on Xbox One 86.168.53.89 (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * With the level of vandalism right now (literally every time I refreshed there was a new hoax game listed) right now it definitely needs protection. Sergecross73   msg me   18:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ok but are you allow to add the confirm edit thing which you save the page and is saved under pending and an administrator ether approves it or reverts 86.168.53.89 (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If you mean edit requests, then yes, that should still be possible. (Read more about them here.) Sergecross73   msg me   18:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * He means Pending Changes; however, that's rarely a good idea on high traffic pages. :) · Salvidrim!  ·  &#9993;  21:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Thomas is now done.
But Woodroar simply misunderstood my question. If you don't mind, please don't moderate unless asked. I mean no offense, its just that there were no issues.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 02:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC) Now please, stop the excessive arguing. Sergecross73  msg me   03:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Im an Admin. It's what I do.
 * 2) Thomas had asked. Literally.

1. I only argured with Thomas; we but heads I guess. I will stay away from him. 2. I was saying there was no issues with Woodroar; dont assume based one discussion. 3. Read the old conversation relating to him asking you.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 04:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Wii U
Not sure I messed that up, but thanks for the revert. Tyros1972 Talk 14:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. It happens to everyone occasionally. Sergecross73   msg me   14:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Yeah, sorry I haven't supported you more, but I try not to get too involved in image disputes, unless they're obvious/common sense based ones, because I find Wikipedia's image policy rather confusing. But what you're saying is consistent with what I've heard in the past, and sounds right, so I'll try to back you on that... Sergecross73   msg me   16:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I removed the Ouya from that list
Because it was sounded redundant to me with the Ouya being mentioned the sentence prior. "The ouya is blah blah blah. And also the ouya blah blah blah...." -Kai445 (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:VG Member list
Hi Serge, sorry this is a bit random, but I thought I should mention that I just noticed you appear to be on the list of members of WikiProject Video Games twice ... I didn't touch it because I wasn't sure if it was meant to be there for some bizarre reason, and I don't see any major consequences for it, although I just wanted to let you know. DarkToonLink (talk) 10:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * How bizarre. No, it wasn't purposely like that. I removed it. Thanks for the heads up! Sergecross73   msg me   19:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Stop changing it.
Please read my edit summary of the most recent change. I standardised it to use "Sega Mega Drive/Genesis" for the category etc, and the first instance of it's usage in the article. Thereafter I used "Mega Drive" as that's the international name. The title of the actual Genesis article isn't relevant as it's still in contention and was only reverted back to Genesis as it was the name the article was originally given. Also, please remain civil, you were being needlessly rude, especially given you hadn't seemed to have noticed I took on board what you said in the last edit summary and standardised it across the article as well as met you halfway with the use of the "Sega Mega Drive/Genesis" term. I don't seem to understand why you object so strongly to improving the article. --85.211.134.202 (talk) 20:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your viewpoint is contrary to the current consensus, and I've said nothing incivil. I suppose we'll continue this argument at your misguided RFC then... Sergecross73   msg me   21:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * One could argue the fact you just called the RfC (which is exactly the correct procedure in this sort of debate) "misguided" is qualification as incivil in itself, even without tallying up the other snide remarks made since this issue started. I'd also note that current consensus concerns the Genesis article itself (and it's a very contentious consensus and hinges on the fact that Genesis was the name of the original article), not on the actual games or other articles pertaining to the console, e.g. Variations of the Sega Mega Drive. --85.211.134.202 (talk) 21:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I say "misguided" because the issue is far larger than "Ristar". It belongs on the Sega Genesis article talk page, not Ristar. I've said nothing out of line, stop taking things so personally. Sergecross73   msg me   21:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You don't seem to understand that how other articles should address the naming issue is a separate issue from what the article itself is called though. As I've explained on the RfC. --85.211.134.202 (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand what you're saying, I just believe you're wrong, as I've explained at the RFC. I don't believe it to be a separate issue. Sergecross73   msg me   21:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)