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Margery C. Carlson
I'm confused by your recent edit as the source states 1948. If there is another source that shows a different date, please add it. Slywriter (talk) 02:48, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi,, I was just about to. I was surprised with the date conflict as well. See the newspaper article here from 1946 that says that that trip to El Salvador with the orchids where they collected the 100 live specimens was then. Silver  seren C 02:55, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well not much question there, happened in 1946... unless time machines are real. Good reminder that even reliable sources aren't infallible. Slywriter (talk) 03:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The obituary author in 1985 must have misread something somewhere and printed it with that date. I can see how the mistake happens, since there were multiple trips she took to the same places just a few years apart. Silver  seren C 03:05, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , I figured it out! See this article from 1949. It happened twice! On their second trip that started in December of 1948 and went into 1949 (so that's one trip, not separate ones), they purposefully went to find that same White Nun orchid because the one from the first trip in 1946 got destroyed. That's where the confusion must have come from. Silver  seren C 03:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Shehr e Tabassum
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A barnstar for you!

 * I'm glad they were helpful! Feel free,, to reach out to me for any other article subjects. I enjoy looking up sources. Silver  seren C 03:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

 * Thanks! I find it a lot of fun, actually, especially for particularly old sources. I often end up reading other articles on the newspaper pages because they're so different from the kind of news we have now. Silver  seren C 08:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Award

 * Thank you! Silver  seren C 18:41, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!

 * I was happy to be involved! Silver  seren C 00:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Maud Cooling
Did Maud Cooling receive newspaper coverage (1910s and 1920s)? FloridaArmy (talk) 12:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not much, actually. Strangely, there seems to be a fair amount of coverage from the end of the 1890's and early 1900's. Is this the same Maud Cooling, do you think? And there's also one extensive piece on a "Maud Cooling Raymond", who I don't think is the same person? I'll put it all below in chronological order anyways.
 * Theatrical Notes - Maud Cooling
 * Amusements
 * Thespian Topics
 * Bright Young Actress Is Now In Buffalo
 * Gossip of the City
 * The Park - Me and Mother
 * Shubert-Teck - "The Potters"
 * Majestic Theater - Ace in the Hole
 * Sorry that I don't have more for you, . Silver  seren C 18:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll have a look. She's probably borderline for notability but I think qualifies for having a.substantial role in various films and shows.. I guess it depends.what the definition of substantial is. I'm partial to these early film actresses. I think it's kind of fascinating. I also like the name Maud Cooling. IMDb says she was born on June 5, 1872 in Fergus, Ontario, Canada as Maud Josephine Hawkins. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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Warning: Personal attacks and casting aspersions
Re: The personal attacks and aspersions made here (RS/N) and here (Lipstick lesbian Talk page). Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Pyxis Solitary  (yak). L not Q. 11:35, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence.... disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done."]] 'Nuff said. Pyxis Solitary   (yak) . L not Q. 11:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know, Pyxis. They don't want to have accurate media coverage criticizing the anti-trans subjects they like sounds like an evidence-based interpretation of your RSN filing, to me, and other editors have posted a similar interpretation. Perhaps you should seek clarification at WP:ANI, rather than the pot calling the kettle WP:ASPERSIONS. Newimpartial (talk) 14:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * [[WP:WIAPA|"Using someone's affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views....
 * Pots and kettles. Newimpartial (talk) 13:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You want to take your uninvited intrusion into my talk page, and my response, to AN/I? Go right ahead.  We can deal with it there. I can tell from your history of setting up camp in discussions that you like to be included in turmoils. I get it. But this matter, here, has nothing to do with you.   Pyxis Solitary   (yak) . L not Q. 10:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * lay off the WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour. If you think an editor has done something worthy of AN/I, then report them. Do not threaten them on their own talk page with a hypothetical report. Go chill, be WP:COOL, and come back with a little less anger. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Pyxis, if you are aware of any WP policy or norm that empowers you to warn other editors off of third party user talk pages, please let me know. Thx. Newimpartial (talk) 22:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Just so you understand the situation you're creating: if this goes to AN/I, or if any personal attack by the same editor goes to AN/I -- be it filed by me or another editor -- every comment that has been posted here will be entered into the record at that AN/I. The warning is supported with diffs, the warning is based on WP:NPA, and the warning template is located at Template index/User talk namespace/Multi-level templates. Pyxis Solitary   (yak) . L not Q. 10:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Lou Sealia Swarz (Draft:Lou Swarz)
Is there coverage of this actress in newspaper archives? She also seems to have written features on performing arts. Sometimes mispelled Swartz? From Indianapolis? FloridaArmy (talk) 14:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm...interesting and complicated. So, right off, there's this that's definitely about her:
 * Most Versatile Sepia Actress Returns
 * And then there's this with her full name too, which links her to being a founder of the La Cheerios organization on a national level.
 * LA Cheerio Club Organized Here
 * Meaning that this is also about her and gives us her married name, Lou Lutour (Mispelled as Latour here or is Lutour the mispelling?):
 * La Cheerios Spearhead $5,000 Annual Project For Youth
 * With that in mind, we can then find that she became associate director for the Global News Syndicate later in life, meaning she became involved in journalism later in her life:
 * Reporter To Get Gold Medal And $100 Award
 * To Speak At Global's Press Awards Dinner
 * And that then leads us to find out that she's originally from St. Louis and moved to New York City during her acting career and afterwards:
 * St. Louis Argus To Pay Honor To Lou Lutour
 * That's what I've got initially,, just as a way to track down all the different name variations I need to look through. I'll get back to you with more after some digging. Silver  seren C 20:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Now I'm getting a little confused, . Is this also her?
 * Lou Lutour Scores Radio Success; Moves To WHOM, For Longer Daily News
 * Because it mentions her "theatrical techniques" and uses both Lou Swarz and Lou Lutour, meaning it has to be the same person, right? Than that means this is also her, once again confirming that she had a radio show?
 * Zetas Announce New Appointments
 * And then there's this. Was her birth name Lucille H. Schwartz? That would explain why there's so much naming confusion going around, especially since she shortened her own name to Lou Swarz for some reason. Also, where did the Sealia middle name come from?
 * Thanks
 * But that does explain why she won this award for radio work that I ran across earlier and didn't know if it was the right person.
 * Vocational Center Cites Award Winners Sunday
 * I'll keep digging. This is a...difficult case. So many name combinations to check for now. And I'm not even done with Lou Swarz yet! Silver  seren C 20:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I found it! This ties it all together, her acting, then becoming associate director of a news agency, then getting her own radio show!
 * Global Associate Lands Own Radio Program
 * I'm glad I wasn't on a wild goose chase that entire time. I'll keep looking. This is all fascinating. Silver  seren C 20:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Lou appears to have had a somewhat infrequent newspaper column that was run in multiple papers called Charm(s) covering things like beauty and poise and things.
 * Charm..
 * Another much more frequent column she ran in papers was called Jottings. And she apparently wanted to rename it to "Around the Globe".
 * Lou Swarz' Jottings
 * But that doesn't appear to have happened. Instead, it was named Global Jotting(s) in future editions.
 * Global Jotting
 * Additionally, it looks like Lou was originally the beauty consultant for Global News Syndicate before the promotion to being associate director.
 * Conversing with Lucille Cromer
 * Oh, and she founded this other group and was a member of a third.
 * Youth Group Expansion Program Set for Jan. 1
 * J. Finley Wilson Elks Club Feted
 * Still digging. Lots to go through. Silver  seren C 21:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh no...oh no,, this is a nightmare. She changed her name to Linda Lou, then to Caol Wallis, and then finally to Lou Swarz. So many names!
 * Theatrical Data...
 * Anyways, here's a secondary piece of coverage about her Jottings column, so you can use that rather than the primary one.
 * Brother Meets Sister Through Newspaper Column After 17 Years
 * And then several things about her and Teen Town.
 * Brooklyn Zetas To Start Teen Town
 * LuTour Honored By Zetas in N.Y.
 * Zetas in Spotlight at Annual Boule in N.O.
 * Women's Section NCNW Salutes Swarz
 * And then some stuff about her acting. I'm finally getting back into the years she did do acting.
 * Another Artist To Appear Here In February
 * Southern Students Go for Lou Swarz
 * Lou Swarz Wins Raves in Dixie
 * I'll keep going. Silver  seren C 22:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * She apparently ran a School of Charm in St. Louis:
 * Lou Swartz On Modeling Staff
 * And here's an article on her sister's wedding, which also gives the names of their parents:
 * Pearl Schwartz Bride of Mr. Collins In Elaborate wedding in St. Louis
 * She also had a secretary that is repeatedly mentioned. A press secretary, more or less, but before that was a thing:
 * Lou Swarz Honored in Miami With Gala Week
 * Lou Swarz Captures Florida Acclaim
 * Zeta Sorors Team For Success
 * And she apparently had a different secretary early in 1947. And Lou was the Director of Negro Publicity for the studio Herald Pictures at the time:
 * Actress-Writer To Handle Publicity For Herald Pictures
 * And then various acting things:
 * On Tour
 * Audience Enjoys Lou Swarz With Moreland In "Tall, Tan & Terrific"
 * Hot Off The Griddle
 * Lou Swarz Captivates Southern Groups In "One-Woman" Shows
 * Savannah Daily Critic Lauds Artistry of Miss Lou Swarz
 * I'm gonna keep going. Though I think I'll only be looking through the Lou Swarz name. That should be enough. Silver  seren C 23:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I swear, it never ends. She has more coverage from early in her career than she did later. Let's keep going. She was apparently a columnist for The New York Age in 1945: That last one lets us known about her siblings other than Pearl as well. Anyways, she had a chapter of the Women's Defense Corps of America named after her: And did a bunch of shows for the USO military camps: This article just discusses the type of skits she does, with some good description all around: Some of the radio plays and theater shows she starred in: Some praise: This is where she first submitted all the different Zetas projects that would later get made: She also was apparently invited in the summer of 1939 by Eleanor Roosevelt to go to the White House to perform her One Woman Show and to perform at the New York Town Hall and at the New York World's Fair: Despite that happening, I guess her show didn't become popular until that occurrence and she had a ton of debt from before, so she filed for bankruptcy in 1940: Also, another career, before all the others and before her shows and skits took off, she was a teacher for years: I'll keep going. Hopefully this ends soon. Silver seren C 00:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Actress Becomes First Of Fair Sex To Do Sports For National Press
 * To Witness Boxing Bout
 * Lou Swarz's Father Dies
 * WDCA Chapter Receives Citation From Army
 * Zeta Artists Aid Soldier's Morale Building Program
 * Lou Swarz Program At Armory April 2
 * Actress Lou Swarz Scores Before White USO Camp Audience
 * Great Enthusiasm Shown at Swarz' Drama Recital
 * Black Spider Drama (This one's a radio play)
 * Appear in 'Wingless Victory' Opening Tonight
 * Gang Praises Lou Swarz
 * Zetas Urge Additional Recreational, Nursery Centers; More Defense Bond Purchases, Too
 * News From Radio Stations
 * St. Louis Negro Tells of Visit to Hyde Park
 * 'One Woman Show' Bankrupt
 * Negro Teacher Wins Success in Own Plays
 * Daughter Elks Honor Teacher

Oh no...I do have to use her real name. Because once I get to the years before her show, she's still got an important job and likely news coverage, but it would be under her actual name and not her stage name. Oh no...Anyways, um, I guess this is just a counterpart to the article about her dad dying, with sisters listed. Kinda depressing: Another Zeta thing, I don't really understand this one: Some more coverage of her performances and names of her skits and things: She received an honorary master's degree: She helped found another group, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, she wasn't just "a teacher", she was the dean of the School of Expression at Douglass University! That's so much more important than just being a teacher. And that's where it ends. There, with her being a dean. Nothing earlier under the name. Which...makes sense, since it's her show name. So...off to her real name I go! Silver seren C 00:56, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Mother To Lou Swarz Is Dead
 * Zetas Adopt 'Six-Point' Program By Lou Swarz
 * Lou Swarz Performs For Nat'l Baptist Delegates
 * Tulsa Zetas To Present Famous Lou Swarz
 * Awarded Degree From Douglass University
 * Organize Expression League (This whole page is kinda broken and the article titles are smashed together with others, so I just used the part of the title that still existed)
 * I didn't find anything of note, so...I guess I'm done, . The ball's in your court now. Better make use of all the work I put in. :P Silver  seren C 01:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Very interesting. Thanks so much. We don't have an entry for Douglass University either. Discussed here. And I started Draft:Herman Dreer. The correspondence with Mary McLeod Bethune is another interesting aspect. FloridaArmy (talk) 03:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Are there any obituaries for her? Do we know when she was born? Died? Where she's buried? What's with the Caol Wallis name? Can I copy over your search results and discussion to the article talk page? Also, FYI, I created a disambig for Energon. Turns out Jack London featured the term in one of his Utopian stories promoting a Socialist world view. Here's a link to the full disambig prior to pruning. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I didn't see one in what I searched, but I didn't search every name possibility for her, so there's likely plenty more to find. I think one of the sources I listed above said her birth date? I'll get to it eventually. No idea on death, due to the lack of obituary. No idea with Caol, will have to search that at one point. She may not have really used those intermediate names for long before settling on Lou Swarz. And, yeah, feel free to copy them over. Silver  seren C 20:09, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Georgle Walter Wetmore
Is there any coverage of George Walter Wetmore from late 1800s and early 1900s inthe newspaper archives? Do they have Florida papers from back then? African American papers? Lived in Jacksonville in Duval County. G. W. Wetmore also used. Thanks! One source refers to him as a lawyer and says he was pivotal in combating a segregated streetcar ordinance. He definitely served in the Florida House of Rwpresentatives. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find anything, unfortunately. There also seem to have been a lot of George Wetmore's at the time. Silver  seren C 19:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thabks very much for having a look! FloridaArmy (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Mabel Kelly (actress)
I've been meaning to come by and thank you for your help and for moving Lou Swarz forward. Yet hear I am asking for more help! Is there some good newspaper coverage for Mabel Kelly?

I'd also love to have a an article or teo converning Draft:Langston High School (Arkansas), but ai inderstsnd if it's not am area of interest for you.

I watched all of Tall, Tan, and Terrific but still am not sure who Lou Swarz plays. She does appear in the opening credits. I would so love to hear or be able to watch one of her monologues. I was ahppy to see somone added an image of her. Thanks again for all your help. Happy Holidays and New Year. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Weird, I can't find anything on Mabel Kelly,, not even for the listed films. Did she have an alternate name that newspapers might have used?


 * I found stuff for the High School, but nothing that would be usable in an article, just mentions that people attended there and such. I wouldn't expect newspapers to be the source for info on schools, books might be a better bet.


 * As far as I can tell for Tall, Tan, and Terrific from how the news articles described it, Swarz wasn't playing a specific named character. You might even say she was playing as herself, perhaps, but she was basically there to be the reaction person to the main lede. The comedic side character, without having actual speaking lines. Silver  seren C 22:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Lou Swarz
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DYK for The Icepick Surgeon
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Akane Yamaguchi
Hello. Help add info and ref. Thanks you. Ciclye (talk) 07:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems like a rather good article already,, what exactly do you think needs to be improved? Silver  seren C 07:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Add cite for section 'Achievements'. Ciclye (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)