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Re: David Tress
No problem! I've redirected the David tress page to David Tress, it's always worth having lower case surnames as redirects in case someone who doesn't use the shift key tries to find something. For future reference, if you do create a page by mistake and want to request deletion, adding db-g7 to the page header will alert administrators to the page - this is only for mistakenly created pages though. By the way, good work on the article :) - Zeibura (Talk) 20:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

A disambiguation page won't be necessary until there are three of them. I've changed the links on the film pages to point at David Tress (actor), which is currently a redlink. Once someone creates that article, a link at the top of the artist article should be placed, saying something like "This article is about the artist. For the actor, see David Tress (actor)". If someone then writes more articles about other people called David Tress, meaning there are more than two, that's when David Tress would need to become a disambiguation page pointing at David Tress (artist), David Tress (actor), David Tress (victoria cross maker) etc. Hope this makes sense, - Zeibura (Talk) 21:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Royal Astronomical Society library
Hi there. I noticed your edit at Royal Astronomical Society about the library. Thanks for that. Would you be able to supply any more information? I have access to sources about the history of the society, but if you have access to the library, I am sure there will be lots more available on the society and other astronomy topics. I also tidied up the required tags for the picture that a bot left a message about above. Hope that helps. Carcharoth 19:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Just about all you'll need to know about the RAS is on its website, somewhere or other (not terribly well organized or signposted, but it's there!). I based my addition on what's on the Library page which I linked to. I didn't want to overdo it lest it be queried as advertising. There is a 2-volume History of the RAS (ISBN 978-0632021758 and 978-0632017911) which you could add to the references if you thought it helpful. Is there anything specific you wanted to know? Regarding the deletion of the book cover, I let that go without comment as it's unimportant. All I had done was to substitute the cover of the second edition of Universe for the cover of the first edition, with the same rationale as used by the original uploader (who I suspect was associated with the US publisher). Skeptic2 20:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the details of the two volume RAS history! If I can't find stuff in there or on the website, I might pop back and ask you, if that's OK. One thing I am interested in is the history of MNRAS. Reading some of the old issues (mainly the obituaries and society news) available online at the ADS is fascinating. I recently worked on Astronomische Nachrichten, and would like to do something similar for MNRAS (all part of WikiProject Academic Journals, in case you are interested). Carcharoth 22:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

MN didn't start publication until the RAS had been going for a few years. All the early papers went in the Memoirs. Then there was a period of overlap when stuff such as obituaries appeared in both. Only a subset of Memoirs is currently on the ADS but the rest should be going up sometime soon (inside knowledge). For an A-Z index of published obituaries see here: http://www.ras.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=219&Itemid=98 (another of those hidden-away pages). Skeptic2 22:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh wow! :-) That list of obituaries is just incredible, especially the ADS links. The index for military ranks and titles of nobility reminds me how many of those 19th century astronomers (probably all of them, in fact) were gentleman scientists, often pursuing astronomy after a military career, or using inherited wealth. I know a lot of those astonomers have Wikipedia articles and links to obituaries, but that resource will be extremely helpful for updating ones that don't. Are you aware of Wikisource? Have a look at this for an example of an early notice by John Herschel in the first issue of AN. Carcharoth 22:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been looking around that website, and this is especially impressive. One of the Wikipedia pages I take an interest in is Royal Medal (an award of the Royal Society), and from there I've become interested in many award articles, including Gold Medal of the Royal Astronomical Society. I wonder whether the other five awards listed here are notable enough for Wikipedia? Also, I've been looking at the Latin on the Gold Medal, and was wondering if there is a translation anywhere? I think it says "Quicquid Nitet Notandum" on the front, and something else I can't make out on the reverse. And it would be nice to know who the people are on the medals. I recognise Herschel's 40-foot telescope on the front of the gold medal, but not the people on the front of the medals. Carcharoth 23:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, I Googled the phrase, and found a book!! See here: "Whatever Shines Should Be Observed". Fascinating! Carcharoth 23:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Gold Medal is obviously the top award. I'm not sure how the astronomical community rates the Eddington and Herschel medals, although there are some big-name winners. Perhaps best simply to describe briefly what these other awards are for and link to the relevant page with the list of winners on the RAS website? Skeptic2 19:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll have a look sometime and see how many of the winners have articles. If a lot of them do, a list might be doable, or at least mentioning the award in the biographies. Carcharoth 23:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Changing ISBN numbers.
Please make sure the data referenced's in the other books you're referencing before changing the ISBNs. Until then please undo your (US ISBN) changes. -- Jeandré, 2007-12-30t19:37z


 * Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say. Could you rephrase, please? Skeptic2 (talk) 21:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Collins Gem stars (2000) ISBN 0-00-472474-7 is 90% the same as the older Collins Gem night sky (1985), but the differences mean one can't change the references of the 1st to the 2nd without checking to see that the new one actually has the information it's referencing in the article. So, don't change the ISBNs for references until you've checked that the information referenced is also in the new editions. If you haven't, please undo your US ISBN chanegs. -- Jeandré, 2007-12-31t17:42z


 * Now I see what you mean. It's simply a US edition of the same book, so content is identical (but not the ISBN).Skeptic2 (talk) 18:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Then why change it? Doesn't it break page references? -- Jeandré, 2007-12-31t20:08z


 * The US ISBN is an addition and will be of more use to North American readers. The UK ISBN remains unchanged.Skeptic2 (talk) 01:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ack, I read the changes wrong. -- Jeandré, 2008-01-01t20:07z

Beal
If I admitted attending Beal, some of my edits might be considered OR. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 06:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did we know each other? Please email me to compare reminiscences. Ian. 79.66.60.214 (talk) 12:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

It must be cool to be a Skeptic
As your name demonstrates. Haha. Just messing around. However, on a serious note there's no need to be so controlling concerning such controversial topics as what the Dogon may or may not have known, even if you'd like to desperately attribute such knowledge exclusively to "modern (European) society", personally or not. I do see your point now about that being in the wrong place and overemphasized, and initially it wasn't a matter of me being "over-enthusiastic" as I wasn't the one making "over-enthusiastic" edits, but thought I was preserving former contributions that I thought were hastily removed, which I accept fault for as it WAS indeed in the wrong place. But you seem firm in your aim to simply "discredit" with out remaining neutral per encyclopedic standards. This is indicated by your willingness to insert blanket statements with no source about what is or isn't discredited (without allowing room for disagreement either) while selectively reading and omitting the conclusions of such people like James Oberg, who affirmed at the end of his excerpt that he believed that it was still a legitimate mystery and that claims of external acquisition of knowledge from "Europeans" are not rooted in anything more than circumstantial 'evidence'. As not to impose such speculations as fact, that should be reflected instead of writing something that feeds into a skeptical agenda. Please, I definitely don't want to wage any kind of back and fourth edit war and did compromise, but at the same ti,e I ask that you work with me since I refuse to let an agenda (either way) be brought across in the article, or let any definitive conclusion be made when there is much to contradict any absolutes on this matter given the intense disagreement on the Astronomy, anthropological studies, or social interpretations. Yes, scientists disagree on this and I DO have more sources. I only ask that things remain neutral and anything included or claimed, should be cited, while there be room for some disagreement. Thank you for your time, sir..Taharqa (talk) 02:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
If I can be so bold as to correct a spelling error in your comment on heat from Sirius: there is no word "miniscule". It's minuscule. Skeptic2 (talk) 23:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the catch.&mdash;RJH (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for repositioning the image – I couldn't get it right.Skeptic2 (talk) 09:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have changed the licence. Trust this is OK now.Skeptic2 (talk) 14:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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 * OK, thanks for the clarification. I hadn't realized that. Skeptic2 (talk) 12:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Unidentified Flying Object - protection
Hi, the vandalising IP user at UFO conspiracy theory has been blocked by User:Jake Wartenberg, so I see no reason to protect it at the current time. --Aqwis (talk) 22:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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Rendlesham
OK I'll take a look but am going out this evening so not much time! Bluewave (talk) 18:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

csicop.org link
Weirdly enough, the link to csicop.org on the Ufology page gave me an "error 404" page when I tried it earlier, but now it works just fine. My apologies for being all trigger happy. --bonadea contributions talk 15:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Fake star name inventor 199.44.190.11
Hi Skeptic2! Thank you for your alert about 199.44.190.11, I'm putting him on my fake star name list, as probably another incarnation of the infamous desinformer troll User:Richontaban. I missed those fake star names and I appreciate people keeping their eyes open. Thanks! Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 09:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Canes Venatici "Name a Star" from Dayactor
Hopefully this will stop the attempts to add a "name a star" name to CV. Regards, Tonywalton Talk 00:25, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

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DS alert - climate change
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bumpkiss
bumpkiss is presenting the items from the lunitic fringe framework that "something so weird happened that it must be explained by a UFO and massive government coverup" equal primacy to the reliable sources that the only thing particularly weird that happened was that a bunch of people believe that a UFO and government cover up happened. When we discuss content, we give the primacy and framework from the mainstream views, not the fringe. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:19, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * some guys blog is not a reliable source. you didnt "fix" anything, you restored inappropriately sourced and framed content. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Taking out the skeptical sources (which are actually reliable) just strengthens the bumpkiss, to use your favourite word. Do you really want to give the explanation of this case or simply obfuscate? You need to set up the story before you can knock it down. Skeptic2 (talk) 02:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

blogs are not reliable sources. content may NOT be restored without supplying reliable sources. and we are not here to "knock down" anything. WP:OR We present what the reliable sources present about the subject. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:27, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * the "glaring gaps" are caused by "glaring gaps" in the reliable sources. Before you restored the unreliable sourced version I had pruned down the unacceptable to a point where acceptable sourced material might be built back up. But the starting point needs to be reliable sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:52, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Understood, and I agree there was too much woo in the article. But your heavy deletions removed important parts of the story and broke up the structure. Please try to rewrite rather than just delete. Discuss first if you need help. This can one day become a clear, accurate summary of the case, with logical explanations, which is badly needed among all the misinformation out there. Skeptic2 (talk) 10:46, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I have now done a bit more editing to make the explanations for the reported lights more explicit. Hope this addresses some of your concerns. Skeptic2 (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You do not build a good article by presenting the UFOlogists claims, debunk them with some guy on the web, then fill in with reliable sources. You START with the reliable sources. And where they may have been sloppy and presented the UFOlogists story unaddressed, you can then fill in with appropriate skeptic sites. The article needs to be rebuilt from the ground up based on the reliable sources and mainstream views. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:42, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well go ahead then. Do you realize that the person you describe as "some guy on the web" is in fact the main skeptical researcher on the case? Skeptic2 (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You might like to look at this, too: http://burbatory.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/bumpkiss-is-bubkes.html

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Lion image
Hey man. Just wanted to make sure that you scrolled my article completely to the end and did not stop at the first visualization of the "comic" styled lion. Since really everybody whom I showed this picture was absolutely exited. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:CA:4BCB:8002:2096:A23D:69F9:D32 (talk) 00:19, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Beal High School
I've removed the two alumni again. Neither entry has a wikiarticle, and neither entry has reliable sources showing the subject's notability or attendance at the schools. One entry has a source, but it is simply the person's personal webpage which does not mention his attendance and is not a WP:reliable source to show his notability. My removal of these entries was not an "unjustified removal" as you claimed in your edit summary. If they are notable, then write their articles first (see WP:WTAF). They would have to be shown to be notable under the general notability guideline WP:BIO, or the more specific guidelines  (WP:NACADEMICS for Seigar and WP:AUTHOR for Wade). Meters (talk) 17:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you want to be so harsh on Old Beals. Why do you think that names in this section need to have Wikipedia entries to be worthy of inclusion. Several of the names i the list have no mention of Beal in their Wikipedia entires yet you have left them. I can confirm that John Wade is an Od Beal. Marc Seigar seems to have added himself if you care to check the article's history. I would have thought being an academic professor was notable. If you are still in doubt you can ask him yourself.Skeptic2 (talk) 21:12, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've already given you the links that explain why the two entries you restored are not acceptable for inclusion as notable alumni. Please read them. Whether you happen to think an academic is notable simply for being an academic is not germane. I didn't look at the other entries since they have wikiarticle showing their notability. Since you are concerned about those entries I'll add citations to the articles where I can and tag the remaining entries as needing a citation for the school. Meters (talk) 21:55, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

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Cor caroli
Dude, I named the star with the space registry.org.

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 * it was decided some time ago to remove this diagram as it was inaccurate and misleading. So no vandalism, just sticking to what was already agreed. The diagram would be acceptable if the coloration were taken out Skeptic2 (talk) 17:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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Carl Sagan
I have no idea what you are talking about at Carl Sagan, as I have had nothing to do with any references in that article. My only two edits to that article, ever, were to correct "in in" to "is in", but you keep reinserting the mistake. Please remove the mistake you have re-added. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 14:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Apologies – my comments were aimed at the original poster who failed to provide a proper reference for the new paragraph. It is the paragraph I am reverting, not the typo. Skeptic2 (talk) 15:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)