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Sylva Macharová
can either of you help me with a German source? Google translate is poor and while Bing is better, I am still confused. On page 7 of this source it says something about her going to Zlín around 1918 at the request of Tomáš Baťa, founder of the Bata Shoes, who was the mayor of Zlín at that time. As ever, I am eternally grateful for your language skills. Thank you for any help you can give. SusunW (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't figure out if she studied with Professor Kukula in Zlín or if the professor sent her to Zlín and if she brought techniques to Zlín or learned them there?? Can you help?
 * I am confused as to whether the actual author is Miroslava Vašíčková (as I listed it since in the intro she says she is Czech) or Elisabeth Sittner (which does not seem Czech and which the translator listed as the reader?)
 * Finally, I am confused about the name of the hospital in Vienna. I cannot find an article on German WP. Should it be Rudolfinerhaus, Rudolfinerhaus BetriebsGmbH or Rudolfinerhaus Betriebs GmbH?


 * Before looking: only Rudolfinerhaus (no Dr. Mr. etc), the Betriebs GmbH is the organization running the place. Will look now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . You can just make changes, additions to the article. I gave the link. Apparently the hospital was uber important. I was surprised there was not a link. SusunW (talk) 21:10, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Macharová worked in Prague in a Sanatorium in Podolí (part of Prague), then in the chirurgisch (surgery?) hospital (there must be a better term) with Kukula, among others. (In Austria, everybody is a Prof, - kidding only slightly.)
 * Baťa wanted her to check why in his hospital in Zlin - where he thought conditions were the same as in Prague, they had cases of Wundeiterung (suppuration of the wound, says Google translate). She looked and found out (but the source doesn't say what), then returned to Prague. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Before: in 1913 she applied at the Krankenpflegeschule (nursing school?) of the in Vienna. She graduated in 2015 returned to Prague as on of the first nurses with a diploma. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * WOOT! I swear I searched on German WP and foud nada. SusunW (talk) 21:33, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I use Google for the search, especially if I don't know which language may have what I look for, - found a soprano in Norwegian, other people in French. - Did you know that a QAI talk page is up for deletion. See the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the template is gone already, sorry, I have been mostly off-wiki for a couple of weeks, due to real life stuff. Thanks so much for your help. I think I got all the stuff in the article. Only question I still have is about the author of the thesis. Was it Vašíčková or Sittner? SusunW (talk) 22:13, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Not yet. I don't know what they see, really. (Ok, I archived some since it started, but it was never other than "article - yes or no - date of addition".) - Vašíčková wrote the thesis, Sittner reviewed it. (Sorry, I typed it but it got lost.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Susun. Just returned to Luxembourg from Denmark. I didn't see this until now but most of the problems seem to have been sorted out. Let me know if you need any additional help.--Ipigott (talk) 14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think we're good on this one. I'm sure I will need your expertise again. :) SusunW (talk) 12:53, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Beatrice Isabel Jones
Nothing in old books/newspapers as yet. but there's other information.

You can view the grave registration and headstone information here. Also a PDF of the commemorative certificate.
 * Commonwealth War Graves Commission
 * This is quite interesting. These appear to be more medals issued to her with information about them and some The London Gazette cites for when some were presented.  It also claims she hanged herself on 12 January 1921.  She was said to be in the Isolation Hospital there at the time.  The cause was said to be depression over an illness which would have sent her back to England.  A Board of Enquiry was held on 14 January 1921 which ruled this was a suicide. I've archived this page so it doesn't disappear. We hope (talk) 21:50, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * That is interesting. Also has a bit more detail than the one from Bonhams that I had found. I used the Bonham's one to search the Gazette and though I found the CBE, RRC and the bar to the RRC, I could not find any entries for the Queen's South Africa 1899-1902 no bar (Nursing Sister B.I.Jones); British War and Victory Medal with MID Oakleaf (A.Principal Matron B.I.Jones); or Q.A.I.M.N.S. skeletal medal. I assume those are what is listed as "M.I.D. London Gazette 15.8.1917; 12.3.1918; 21.2.1919" but though I searched each of these dates, variations of the medal names and her own name, I found nada except what is listed on the bio Gazette. I searched The Times (London) and the Guardian with no results either. Can't access this nor this which is clearly her, but doesn't tell me much. It says "all records available on line" but then it appears you have to pay? SusunW (talk) 22:11, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep-the first one will give you very limited access (no access to what you're looking for) if you sign up without paying. British National Archives has been a "pay" site for some time-as long as I can remember trying to use it.  Am going to try something which may or may not work-will let you know what happens. ;) We hope (talk) 14:02, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I am thinking she must have headed several hospitals in that decade that is missing from the other sources— 1903-1913. Fingers crossed. SusunW (talk) 14:08, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The small unwatermarked images come out too fuzzy to read afterbeing enlarged. I did search there for her Medal Card and you at least get a list of the medals she received.  Can't archive because they are set for no robots. We hope (talk) 14:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you know anyone here who has an active WP subscription to Findmypast? The WP Library was offering them but I see they're not being offered currently.  The medal and service records would be available there. We hope (talk) 14:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not. Isn't there a page somewhere that you can post for people who have subscriptions to help with stuff like that? I seem to recall seeing that once, but don't recall where. I usually just post on Dr. B's page in hopes that someone with a subscription will help. Surely the auction houses got their info somewhere. I suspect it is from the archives or the nursing journal. Why oh why did they archive the journal page by page in an unsearchable format? *sigh* SusunW (talk) 15:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You'd need to contact someone who was approved in 2016 to be sure their subscription is still active. FindMyPast take a look at the 2016 approvals and see who would be kind enough to give you a look-up; the FMP subscriptions are apparently not being renewed-project marked closed. We hope (talk) 15:24, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , Looking at the list are the only two people I know. Neither were approved last year. Dr. B or Andy, can either of you access this? If not, I'll just start pinging people I don't know. SusunW (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Happy and able to help. What exactly are you looking for? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:35, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I think you'll need to ask those who were approved in 2016 as I'd believe neither of them renewed their subscription. I had one subscription I got little use out of when the subscriptions first started, so I didn't renew it when it was done. We hope (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like only a few approved in 2016 can either of you help with access to records for Jones? SusunW (talk) 15:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Royal Red Cross King's Birthday List London Standard page 7 3 June 1913 Only information for her at the newspaperarchive.com site. We hope (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! We got her RRC and the bar for it. It's the Boar War Medals that we are missing and her middle career. So weird that only the beginning and the end seem to be documented??? SusunW (talk) 15:59, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Right now, I'm at a Boer War website that lists some recipients and identifies the medals. One of the medals has a not that there was no list kept of recipients. :-(  However, I'll try to identify which ones from the archived medals page we have are what.  Starting off, bottom left-Queen's South Africa Medal given for the Boer War. Will add here as I identify. We hope (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Royal Red Cross seen at upper right of auction photo.


 * The next two from left look to be not from the Boer War but WWI. British War Medal (profile of George V) issued to those who served in a theater of war in WWI. British Victory Medal at right of British War Medal.  Again, issued to anyone serving in WWI. I thought I recognized those last 2.  A g-uncle served in the Australian Army in WWI.  He had a huge fall-out with his father, changed his name and left for Australia. I have his medals but good conduct isn't one of them. :-D We hope (talk) 17:01, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks I'm trying to get the records from the National Archives on Beatrice Jones. We hope says that a membership in FindMyPast will let you access this and this. Is is possible? SusunW (talk) 20:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I tried following those links, but my Findmypast subscription doesn't get me in to the records. I just get a page asking for payment to access them, I'm afraid. &mdash;  Gas Head Steve [TALK] 21:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ditto. There are transcripts of the WO372, and a few others, but nothing reveals much. Harrias talk 21:11, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . It's frustrating for sure. Records are there, but can't find a way to get to them. As I am in Mexico, it isn't like I can just pop in to the Archives either. Thank you for trying. SusunW (talk) 21:15, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs
Thank you for your recent articles, including Klub Inteligencji Katolickiej, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:45, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I've done a ton of DYKs, but I stopped doing them after March. I truly just want to research and write articles and am not really interested in the drama that goes on. DYK quit being fun, so I quit doing it. I may go back to it at some point, but I don't really think that will be any time soon. SusunW (talk) 07:02, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I fully sympathize with you Susun. After a number of upsetting experiences at DYK, I decided I would help others but I would not submit anything myself. I must say, though, I am always happy when someone else decides to promote one of my articles.--Ipigott (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Other links for nurses

 * History of Nursing in the British Empire Published in the UK in 1906-no information re: year of death of the author. Any photos you may want to use should be uploaded here at WP with the tag
 * Red Cross Bulletin July 5, 1920 pages 6-7. Story & photos of the US first recipients of the Florence Nightingale award.

We hope (talk) 22:45, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Poland

 * Thank you I truly enjoy learning about eastern European women as I write their bios. When I work on them, I discover other areas that are missing or underdeveloped. What I love about writing, I learn something with each article creation. SusunW (talk) 14:41, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Beatrice Isabel Jones part 2
I found a search engine for the old nursing journals. You get one page at a time; there are times when the story is spread over 2 pages, so don't lose the index page because you can quickly find the other page you need through the index. She was also Matron at the Royal Herbert Hospital. Going to start leaving links here.


 * joins Royal Herbert Hospital
 * resigns Royal Herbert Hospital (didn't stay long)
 * Matron at Millbank 1
 * Matron at Millbank 2
 * Imperial Military Nurses memorial 1
 * Imperial Military Nurses memorial 2
 * nurses for Mesopotamia
 * arranges for nurses sitting room at Victoria Park
 * New military hospital at Millbank
 * at Herbert Hospital presentation of the Queen Alexandra Imperial Military Service

I think the hospital you were looking for at Aldershot was part of Aldershot Garrison and it may not have been standing anymore in 1921. Have a look at Aldershot Military Museum. If you don't get someone to view the full record, keep your eyes open for announcements on the internet from Ancestry.com and other similar sites. For some time, the Ancestry sites worldwide have given the public full view access to military records around 11 November for Veterans' Day. We hope (talk) 16:35, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


 * OMG! You deserve at least a bottle of wine for finding that search engine. I cannot tell you how hard it was to page through the BJoN to find just what I did. I will work on this this afternoon. You totally rock! SusunW (talk) 16:48, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sometimes frustration can be the parent of satisfaction. :-D I also got tired of looking for needles in haystacks.  Started seaching her name at Bing and found one of the archived journal pages turned up.  Searched at Bing for "search RCN archive" and the link to their search engine came up. ;) We hope (talk) 16:54, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Not sure if Google Books is working for you at present or not, but try some of these:


 * Loyalties: Mesopotamia ...: 1917-1920
 * page 183 She was Matron-in-chief of the Mesopotamian Expeditionary Force (M.E.F.) in WWI.
 * BMJ 13 April 1901 page 932 Part of a delegation to the War Office to campaign for necessary reforms in the Army Nursing Service.
 * American Nursing Journal pp-686-687-Volume 1 June 1901 (issue starts at page 601) more information re: the War Office delegation.

We hope (talk) 17:38, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Worked that stuff in. Yippee, got the South Africa medal and QAIMNS medal in that 1903 article! I think that we are looking for the Louise Margaret Hospital for Soldiers’ Wives and Children (LMHSWC). This article says the Queen visited the hospitals at Aldershot: Cambridge Military Hospital, LMHSWC and the Connaught Hospital. The Connaught was predecessor to Cambridge which opened in 1879, which is out of our time frame thus, Jones could not have been first matron. However, the LMHSWC opened in 1898, thus, my guess is it is that.  SusunW (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's the background on them. Opened 1898, merged with Cambridge Military Hospital in 1984 and closed in 1989. We hope (talk) 21:33, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Susun and. I was sure you'd be right but sadly it seems the first matron of LMHosp was a Miss Hodgson. (Morning Post, 26 July 1898) - Maybe this explains the plaque? "When the QAMH was decommissioned it was moved to QEMH Woolwich and then to the Aldershot Garrison Church when the QEMH closed. A rededication service was held at the Aldershot Garrison Church in 1989 for the plaques."  
 * Yay! I am not disappointed in the least. Glad the mystery is solved. Between the three of us, I think we managed to get a fairly decent bio of BI Jones together. I still don't have a source for the whole death scenario and I think we need a strong source to confirm the auction house info. But I also wouldn't have discovered LMH if we hadn't been trying to figure out where Jones was when. Thanks so much for your help! SusunW (talk) 13:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

The bio is great. You must have spent hours digging for info. Hope you enjoy doing the research. (I do.) Lelijg (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * the research is my favorite part. Kind of like looking for pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, but with a mystery story rolled in :) Couldn't have done it without help, which is another thing I enjoy, good collaboration always makes for a better article! SusunW (talk) 16:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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Joanny Thévenoud
Hullo, can you or a stalker find a little more for a destub and DYK nom?♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:05, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * cannot help a lot, as French is impossible for me, but I did find a couple of sources that indicate he was instrumental in banning pawnship and child marriage in English. Added that information. If you want to nominate it for DYK, word count should be fine. SusunW (talk) 15:49, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks for that!♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:50, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
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Louise Margaret Hospital
Hi Susun - I came over here partly to thank you for the BJN search engine tip (thanks to We hope too) and partly to ask whether you were thinking of doing the LM Hosp article yourself. If not I may have a go, since I have access to news archives that could be useful, though a quick look suggests the news was all about visiting royalty. Now I'm here I see you've had some interesting convos about BI Jones. The lack of obits in The Times etc., even the BJN (?), might confirm there was something to be "hushed up". Lelijg (talk) 15:34, 7 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I was thrilled with 's find of that engine, as I paged through about 5 years searching for data on Jones, which was excruciating, to say the least. Please have a go at LMH, seems like it was a pretty interesting hospital. If you run across anything that could clarify our suspicions that BI Jones was the first matron there, that would be lovely. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 7 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Great, I'll make a start but no chance of finishing today. Lelijg (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The article is lovely! Thanks for that. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I was pleased to find pics of the old wards, but there are still annoying gaps in the info. Lelijg (talk) 17:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That is always the case on historic women's and womens organizations' articles in my experience. *sigh* I'll see if I can add anything over the next few days. SusunW (talk) 17:44, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Snippets here and there: with group photograph of the staff"
 * 1909 Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig took over command of LMH. Served until 1914.
 * No earthly idea what this might contain, or if you can find a way to access it, but it says "Typescript article on the Louise Margaret Hospital, Aldershot, 1949,
 * Ian M. Robertson was the commander of the LMH for the duration of World War II (obit starts here and finishes here  at the bottom of the page.
 * Norman Talbot served as a consultant in obstetrics there from 1950-1958. SusunW (talk) 20:28, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, nice, thanks for the research. I wonder if the 1949 typescript is forerunner of a 1950 article, also inaccessible without major effort and payment. Pity... The other refs look useful - maybe I'll try making a list of C.O.s. Lelijg (talk) 07:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I know writing for info is a PITA, but sometimes you hit paydirt. Just had a librarian send me a transcript of an interview done in the 1970s which filled in a lot of gaps on a file I did several months ago. Didn't charge me a thing :) On finding historic women in general, I find that knowing the men in their lives makes it easier. Mrs. John Doe might have lots of hits where Jane had none. But institutions are the same. Often I find information about the organizations I am looking for by looking at the men who ran them. Women's history is hiding in plain sight--if you know where to look. SusunW (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

You've inspired me to write an exploratory email, and will hope it's read by a friendly archivist! Good advice re Mrs J. Does, thanks. I haven't done more than stubs before on a women's org. Lelijg (talk) 19:52, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

A new article
Hey Susun. Hope all is well. I got side-tracked into working on various election 2016 articles. Since it was the first I decided to create an article about the recent Commander-in-Chief Forum. That way I'll have something to do every four years. Could you swing by and take a look. I'm in the harvesting stage like we did at The List of Women WPA Muralists. Stalkers welcome!. Buster Seven   Talk  13:21, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I avoid contentious subjects on here like the plague. Far too much drama, far too much ego. In the real world I deal with stress and controversial issues, which have real consequences in people's lives. On WP, my stress relief, I don't do things that lead to altercations. People who misunderstand that entries in an encyclopedia are not life and death issues, can shake the balance of my calm. I wish you the best of luck. SusunW (talk) 17:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I completely understand. I've been on the political dance floor with other editors before and I know what you mean. A lot of toes get stepped on. After mid-November I hope to return to creating Women article from the List. Buster Seven   Talk  17:39, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Are you planning to write a bio for Katherine Pollak Ellickson?
If not, I'll do it. Rosekelleher (talk) 00:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * go for it. Haven't decided on my next subject yet :) SusunW (talk) 00:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay. Rosekelleher (talk) 00:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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Magonist
Margarita Ortega (magonist)‎ is my 91st #100wikidays article and she is my first ever magonist! Plus she was a courier, nurse, spy, sharp shooter, and gun expert. How you could do all that in one lifetime beats me. If she isn't deserving of an article, then I don't know who is. Don't know if you or have the time or inclination to work on it, but I thought she might interest you. If you're busy with other things, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 06:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * To save other curious tpws the typing here's the link: magonist. It was a new word to me!  Pam  D  06:58, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I should have thought of that but it was so late at night that my brain was turning to jelly. Magonist was a new word for me, too. I've been creating biographies of women anarchists as of late. They are like us -they want to change the world- albeit we do it one article at a time, while some of them gave their life while pursuing a cause they held dear. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:08, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Lots of repetitive info, but just found a jewel of a doc. Will add a little bit of info. SusunW (talk) 14:12, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can dig up, too, . And what a cool word, Yay for Word of the Day. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Hm.
Looked at Ruth Muskrat Bronson's article recently? Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! She looks great! SusunW (talk) 13:25, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Should pass at WP:FPC as well if initial votes (currently just short of a quorum a day and a bit in) are any guide. That'll get her on the main page. Sorry this took so long. August was.... busy. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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To lede to not to lede
Seems to have been born long after I went to school. See here

What really irritates me is how often "lead" is used as a past tense or past participle of "lead" in our articles. Just look at how mant of these are incorrect. I try to sort them out from time to time but it's a losing battle.--Ipigott (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * First appeared in the year of my birth. :) And yes, it is amazing how often metal appears in articles having the ability to cause actions to other things. ;'( SusunW (talk) 18:44, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Ruth Muskrat Bronson
Per a comment on Commons, I've added a very slight sharpening to the original image. Can you please review your vote and make sure you're still happy with the image? Cheers! Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:49, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I am extremely happy with the image and that you chose one of my articles on minority women to work on. ;)SusunW (talk) 14:21, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, if I change it after nominating, I really must say something to all voters. =) I think I only got two indiginous women because of the fact my August had very little time available, but it's certainly a subject I want to return to. In the meantime, I found a lvely picture of Helga Ancher. (File:Helga_Ancher_(1960’erne).jpg) - Her article could use some love. The text is good, but image-wise, it focuses way too much on her as model for the rest of the Skågen group, who all painted each other...
 * Oh, I also saw Victoria Crowe's art at the City Art Museum here. I wonder if I could get a picture of her if I wrote her? Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:40, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it is truly admirable that you are working on pictures of women. I try really hard to at least put a fair use photo on every article I write. It makes them more real, to my mind. I also really enjoy working on both architects and artists' articles because finding photographs of their works is like finding insight into their soul. One of my first was E. E. Holman. Good luck with Crowe. SusunW (talk) 16:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Look up her work. It's gorgeous. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow! Some lovely stuff. I love the trees and cobalt blues she uses. This month, on nurses, any idea if any of these photos can be used? All WWI era or earlier, but I can't tell is the copyright this guy cites is on his text or the photos of Maria de Villegas de Saint-Pierre. SusunW (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding the photo of Helga Ancher to her biography. Unfortunately, Helga's main claim to fame is indeed that she was painted so profusely by the Skagen painters. As she died only in 1964, it is difficult to find works of hers which can be included.--Ipigott (talk) 11:14, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * Congrats for the GA ranking SusunW and thanks for mentioning me but I really didn't do much on this article (say...0,5%). Well done 13:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it was indeed a group effort. While you may not think you helped a lot, your contributing meant a lot to me. I truly appreciate it. If you've an interest in working on another, I can't make heads nor tails of the story of troops this Countess saved in the forest Maria de Villegas de Saint-Pierre. SusunW (talk) 14:49, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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Karen Blixen
Hi Susun. I'm glad to see you've started to do a bit of work on the article and have sorted out much of the referencing and sources. I see also you have also changed her name from Blixen to Dinesen in the early part of the article. I always find the use of women's names in biographies quite a difficult matter to handle effectively for the reader but I just thought I should point out that in the case of Karen Blixen the whole business of names is a problem in its own right. There's an article titled Isak Dinesen in America which goes into her various names in quite some detail. You might find it an interesting read. In any case, I am trying to go through the article section by section, adding pertinent information as necessary. I think this will take some time. I intend to expand quite a bit on her literary works, especially as apart from the article on Out of Africa, the coverage is pretty poor. (Maybe articles on her works should also receive attention.) I reckon it will all take a few more weeks. If you come across other interesting sources, please feel free to expand as you wish. Two contributors should be able to do more than just one and you are usually expert at drawing off the most important content from the sources available. Hope we can go forward together on this basis. It's always refreshing to collaborate with you. By the way, as we are going to be away until around 10 November, I will probably not be contributing very actively over the next week or so.--Ipigott (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I started. I wanted to get the sources converted before we got any more done. It is always hard for me to do it "after the fact". I did read the whole discussion on the talk page about the name, but followed the custom that WiR in general has discussed, of following name changes as they occur naturally in life. It is somewhat more difficult with famous people who opt to keep one name or use a pseudonym, because often they are known by two names simultaneously, as appears to be the case for Blixen. (Lauren Bacall and Jerry Lewis both come to mind, known to the public as one thing and known in their personal business transactions as something else.) But, I would still argue that in her early life, before she married Blixen, that confusion did not exist, she was Dinesen. (Oh wait, and the dog, Osceoloa ;-) .) I did think the Updike piece was a good find, was actually looking for the obit citation when I found it. It addressed several uncited points in the article. Haven't perused the Stuttaford piece in detail either, but could not find a cite for the 1946 book of the month club directly and that piece covered the quote. Will work on it bit by bit and yes, I always enjoy our collaborations. We also will be away Thanksgiving week. Making a Belize trip the 4th week in November. SusunW (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine. So we'll just plod along bit by bit. I agree to stick to Dinesen until Kenya. Thereafter I don't know. Technically until Bror remarried she was the Baroness Blixen-Finecke and only really became Karen Blixen thereafter. But I think we can compromise on Karen Blixen except when discussing her books. In connection with the Book of the Month club, she is apparently the only author ever to have been selected five times. It's all covered in the biographies but I can no longer quote chapter and verse.--Ipigott (talk) 06:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Not entirely unrelated comment - I have grown to truly dislike how people, usually women, have multiple names with various spellings throughout their lives. Makes them hard to find sources but also occasionally hard to work out what to call the article!  &#9749;  Antiqueight  haver 11:08, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * LOL Indeed. I usually opt for whatever name has the most sources, unless of course, there's a tie and then it's a crapshoot. SusunW (talk) 14:12, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

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--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gerda. I have a feeling it's not gonna be very good for women for the next 4 years. SusunW (talk) 14:41, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's not be too pessimistic. I have great faith in the American system of government which offers a whole series of checks and balances. There are also going to be four new women senators in the 115th congress, Catherine Cortez Masto, Tammy Duckworth, Kamala Harris and Maggie Hassan, bringing the total number up to 21 (one more than last time). That's a five percent increase, comparable to the increase in the proportion of women's biographies in WiR!--Ipigott (talk) 15:50, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Not being pessimistic,, being realistic. It will get worse before it gets better. There will be backlash, against a wide swath of minorities, and there already has been. The number of articles I have seen shaming women is appalling. But, that doesn't mean that we give up fighting for an inclusive world. It doesn't mean we disengage, but rather we work harder to find solutions and rational ways to lessen the impact for all of us. SusunW (talk) 16:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll certainly be continuing to do my bit. At the political level, it's not just a man-based problem. There are women, e.g. in France and Germany, working towards the same goals. But as you say, we need to strive for a more inclusive world and our contributions to Wikipedia can help to pave the way.--Ipigott (talk) 16:53, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I was considering creating a top icon of a safety pin to show solidarity and that I am a safe space for people affected by things like Brexit and the Trump presidency. But I'm not sure if it is a good idea and also I have no clue how to create one. What are your thoughts?  &#9749;  Antiqueight  haver 17:00, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Your words speak volumes . My fear would be that in so doing, you would become a target, which I would never wish upon anyone. Personal handholding is worth far more IMO and I appreciate you for the message and thoughts. :) SusunW (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That is also my fear and while I'm careful - I'm not careful enough if I were to be a target. But I intend to get much more involved in local politics to try to ensure a safe space IRL. Hugs.  &#9749;  Antiqueight  haver 17:13, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Brewing up something good!
Totally agree ! I was working on figuring out what her name was in Japanese, while you were busy starting the article. Didn't want may sources to go to waste, because she is awesome! :) So cool her husband took her name. Wish we had a photo. Did you add it to the Asian month articles? SusunW (talk) 20:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Not yet, but thanks to you, I can now. It was too tiny before. :) I love that her husband did that. What a cool couple. She seems very interesting... I wish I could read Japanese! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:04, 20 November 2016 (UTC)