User talk:Sven Manguard/2011 Q1

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Signpost
Hi Sven, thanks for your contribution about Featured Sounds. It seems we have missed each on other on IRC repeatedly. It is a bit difficult for me to see if there are still concerns about the article in the present state; if so and you read this while this Signpost issue is not published yet (check here), try to find me on IRC again or give more details in the Newsroom. As general remark: The Signpost is a collaborative effort, which means that adjustments for length and style can sometimes be justified, but of course that should not lead to the introduction of factual inaccuracies (see also this discussion). Regards, HaeB (talk) 22:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Michel recordings
I've responded to your email re: John Michel's recordings. Raul654 (talk) 06:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll go read it now.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  06:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just read the email. Thanks for that. I really have no reason to distrust you or the submission, it was just that the FS criteria make a big deal out of having as much information as possible on the file description pages. I was able clean up and reorganize the page to the point that the the issue was considered adequately dealt with by the person that raised the initial concern, so everything is good at this point. On a seperate note, I'd really love to learn the art of asking artists to license their works freely so that Wikipedia can use them. If you get the time and have any pointers to share, I'd love to hear them.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  06:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

two emails
I wonder whether they have a free redirect function. Tony  (talk)  11:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You in the SP chatroom? Tony   (talk)  01:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If I'm online, you can find me in either wikipedia-en or wikipedia-en-help. I'll go to the SP room now just in case you're there.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  02:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Reduced fair use
Sven, thanks for doing the non-free file size reductions - maybe it was just an oversight, but I noticed you forgot to add Non-free reduced at File:Blank and jones relax edition 3.jpeg. Sorry if I'm nitpicking - carry on! Kelly hi! 23:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Glorious! I was in IRC asking what to do about all that, and no one really had an answer. I got here from Contribution Team/Backlogs, so I didn't know I was supposed to do that. I will go through the other ones I've done and tag them.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  23:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you do {{subst:furd}} it will automatically add the date. Kelly  hi! 00:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks... (that would have made life a bit easier two hours ago before I knew I actually had to fill in the date.) Well, back to work for me.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  01:12, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

talkback
 Coercorash Talk Contr. 05:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

FFU
Hi Sven, I am winding down for a wikibreak, so I hope you can step in and totally look after WP:FFU (and the WP:drawing board too) if you have the time! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm sad to see you go. I am also on a semi-wikibreak, as classes are is session. It would be a full wiki-break had I any willpower, but I suppose that my being here responding to this comment while I should be studying shows that I don't. I'm going to post a message at WP:AFC and see if we can get some other people to watch those things, and I'll stop by WP:FFU when I have the time to do so. Wish you the best,  S ven M anguard   Wha?  15:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Your request
Per your request my rfa has stated. I am not canvassing, and this is the only user I will notify per the user's request. C T J F 8 3 chat 17:48, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This is to confirm that I did indeed ask him to remind me of him going to RfA. Mind you I thought it was going to take place months ago, so it's about bloody time :D  S ven M anguard   Wha?  22:25, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, better late than never! C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I suppose so. Good luck.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  22:32, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 22:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Reduction
Sven, if you get a chance could you do a reduction on File:Carousel 1945 Bdwy.jpg, which is used in an article currently up at WP:FAC? Thanks! Kelly hi! 23:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 01:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I added the {{subst:furd}}. Kelly  hi! 01:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, a talk page stalker does me proud. I redid it though, using the smart-sampling of Paint.NET, which removed a bit of the blur that comes naturally with shrinking down an image. Come back any time. Cheers,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  02:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What operating system do you have? I use to have paint.net (and loved it!) and it stopped working. I've tried a few times to reinstall, and it doesn't work. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Microsoft Vista with Service Pack 2 (for an HP Laptop if that makes a difference)  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I have XP, I can't figure out why it use to work, and now won't install, when it gets to 17% it stops, and reverts the install...damn! I love paint.net too, oh well :( <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 19:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW, ever been on the IRC before? If you have been, message me as soon as you're on. I'd like to tell you something in private.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  20:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I will be on in a few seconds. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 20:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion
If you are looking for something else to nominate for featured sound, you might want to try File:JOHN MICHEL CELLO-J S BACH CELLO SUITE 1 in G Prelude.ogg. Raul654 (talk) 01:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll do that tomorrow. Thanks!  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  02:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks, and feel free to stop by any time, either here or at FSC.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to tell you
The very best part of rescaling non-free images is that you get to be the one to get Twinkle notifications when those images are nominated for deletion. :) Kelly  hi! 02:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I am aware of this, for I also work in WP:FFU. Also, because of the infernal upload system we have, I often end up accidentally renaming the files when I load them up, and therefore have several messages from myself telling myself about a speedy deletion of the poorly named duplicate file. Well, what's the worst that could happen? I just clean em' out when they come.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  02:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

RfA
Hey, I thought you did all your trash-talking on IRC! :) Don't let Keepscases get you so worked up. It's just one !vote. Angry supporters don't do Ctjf83 any favors; if Keepscases' oppose is a poor one, people can figure it out on their own. Just my 2¢. 28bytes (talk) 02:42, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * SIGH What's upsetting is that I'm watching a minor issue feed upon itself and grow larger and larger and messier and messier, and I'd hate to see an RfA derail over something that stupid. As for the trash-talking, what I said in the RfA is not anywhere near what I'd say on IRC. I... I'm sorry. I should... SIGH ... I'm going to leave the RfA alone. I need to get away from it. Thank you for helping me realize that.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  02:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, RfA can be a bit... well, you know. 28bytes (talk) 03:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  03:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey yeah, RFA can take up a lot of time researching and debating. Better stick to FFU instead, or actually, that study that is supposed to be happening! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:18, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What study? Oh, you mean my education? Probably a good idea.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  06:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

A possible typo
Howdy. Your response to Oppose #8 by S Marshall here might have a typo in it: "I just wanted to point out that Ctjf83 has closed several hundred RfAs,..."--Rockfang (talk) 14:16, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy 10th
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#000000; background-color:#aa9944; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> Happy 10th anniversary of Wikipedia! Hey Bzuk  (contribs) has bought you a whisky! Sharing a whisky is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a whisky, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Enjoy!

What goes around, comes around. Spread the good cheer and camaraderie by adding to their talk page with a friendly message. Bzuk (talk) 15:00, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Note to Self


That is all.  S ven M anguard  <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Another Note to Self (and page stalkers)
Dear Sven,

When you wake up tomorrow, remember to nominate File:David Popper - Elfentanz (Hans Goldstein, cello).ogg at featured sounds.

Now get some sleep so you don't end up waking up at 1:30 in the afternoon... again.

Sincerely,  S ven M anguard  <font color="FCD116">Wha?

Hi Sven
Thanks for your continous effort on site, i recently submitted a category suggestion on Olòrún that was turned down and the reason is that it lacked clear scope. Could you be kind enough to give me a few pointers in the direction where this went wrong. Otelemuyen 01:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, most categories group all of the pages of a specific type. The category you submitted appeared to have the titular page, a list of names, and God. I'm not quite sure what the purpose or grouping of the category is supposed to be. Is this another name for Category:Yoruba mythology, or is this a subset or branch of that, or is it something else entirely. Perhaps Category:Olòrún religion would be closer to your intentions? Also, if you could supply more than the initial three pages, it would make it much clearer for me to interpret. I'm sorry if I confused or offended you, that was not my intention, and I hope this response has been helpful. Feel free to ask additional questions if you need to, and feel free to resubmit at any time.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  06:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Rather than a school of thought "Olòrún" is the Yoruba term for God; regarded as the pantheon of the Yoruba theogony,"Olòrún" is the essence of Yoruba religious belief. If "Olòrún" is an entity then "Yoruba mythology" would be (not the, but) a discipline.Otelemuyen 13:54, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Book of Exalted Deeds
I liked your edit summary on this one. :) I was always puzzled by the "Mature Audiences Only" sticker on this book, especially since I could find really nothing in there that really necessitates such a label.  The only reason I could speculate on is that the Book of Vile Darkness was a companion volume (and that one did push some limits) and maybe they just used the label for consistency?  Who knows. :) BOZ (talk) 23:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * He eh, no idea. I started with 3.5, never got into the advanced stuff, and then when 4.0 came out, looked at it and decided to stay with 3.5. I've never seen the vast majority of these books. Of course, if people think that anything produced under the D&D label is too dark or "mature" then heavens forbid that they ever pick up, oh say, a World of Darkness book. It'd be fun to see their faces while they read those books.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  00:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors
I saw you have been really active lately and I clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 00:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the offer, but I don't think I'll be an online ambassador. I don't work well with people in the early stages of the learning curve. Sage Ross is in the IRC trying to convince me but at this time, I think that I'm going to have to respectfully decline. If I decide to take my participation to the next step and increase my level of commitment, I will likely follow in the footsteps of a few other people I know of that work in file acquisition (i.e. getting people to release their pictures and sounds under free licenses, then uploading those works to Wikipedia or Commons.) Sorry,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  00:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

File:DSC00036.JPG
I think both that redirect and the file it points to are Commons files, so unless you're a sysop on Commons, we can't do much with them here. The same applies to all the other images you see in that "sea of red" near the top of User:Chzz/dsc (which I do need to get back to work on sometime in the future). –MuZemike 03:12, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I had a chat with ZooFari, a Commons admin, and he dosen't seem to think that is the case. I'm not really sure what to do, but it's good to see that you're working on that, as it allows me the justification to go back to doing other things. Thanks,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  03:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

D&D novel covers
FYI, in case you were still going to be working on that, I just found a bunch of novel covers that were not categorized, so I added the appropriate cats to them. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 04:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I lost my records of which ones I already worked through, so I'll try and work through your contribution history and do it that way. Thanks,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  02:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, and thanks for the hard work. :) A lot of people probably don't know how to resize images (and the rest coulndn't be bothered), so thanks again. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 03:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

In a flight of paranoia...
...I have just realized that my edit summary here could be construed as a dig at you, and just wanted to let you know it was in no way intended as one. I shouldn't attempt jokes before coffee. *disappears in puff of attempted self-justification* Gonzonoir (talk) 10:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh, you call that a swipe. You got no game kid, you got no game.
 * No seriously though, it's all good. Good luck with everything and stuff.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No seriously though, it's all good. Good luck with everything and stuff.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No seriously though, it's all good. Good luck with everything and stuff.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Maybe?
I saw you created WikiProject north America. Would you be interested in making a task force about Latin American monarchies for WikiProject Latin America? You don't have to be involved with the project but could you maybe make it. I don't know how to make Wikiprojects so it would be appreciated. It's ok if you don't want to. Spongie555 (talk) 08:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to set up the initial core pages of WikiProjects, the person that set them up was an IP address user from Canada. Once he set them up, I ran them through the approval at WP:AFC and then set up the categories based off of a pre-provided list, and then did some formatting and aesthetics stuff. It looks like what you're doing is looking for the setting up the initial backbone of a project, which is, as detailed above, is what I had the least involvement in. I recommend that you look for help at the WikiProject Council, as you are likely to far more experienced help from them. Sorry, wish I could do more,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  20:09, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem for me is that I don't know how to make the talk page banners. I could probably make the main WikiProject page. Spongie555 (talk) 02:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

=February=

WP Articles for Creation in the Signpost
WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Articles for Creation for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 02:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, my name is DarkJak495, but you can call me DJ. I was wondering if you would like to work with me on making the article Ruins of Gorlan better. I think we could use someone that has a lot of experiance like you. If you are interested in my offer, please respond on the Ruins of Gorlan talkpage. I am looking forward to hearing your reply. Cheers! User DarkJak495   talk  orange 15:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I doubt that I could help you, I'm really not a writer, and I don't know the subject matter at all. If you ever need help with images or sounds, I'm you man, but in this case, I'm not sure precisely how much I can help.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  20:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Your Banner
Your Banner at File:The Great Backlog Drive (Main Banner).jpg is one of the most amazingly corny things I have ever seen. it is brilliant and wonderful and eye catching and I love you for it. We'll show it to the office next time we get a chance, it's wonderful. Thanks for making it :-) The Cavalry (Message me) 21:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Erik's RfA
Hi Sven. Just for the record, I've been trying to keep down the hounding, even though that is a pretty ludicrous oppose rationale. A simple "oops, I didn't know that about history merges" would probably have stopped the badgering, but digging in on an untenable position is just going to egg other people on, unfortunately. You're right, though, I don't think there's any chance of changing that particular oppose vote. 28bytes (talk) 20:20, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: STALKER Magazine
Hello Sven Manguard. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of STALKER Magazine, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Another admin declined speedy earlier today; take it to AfD instead. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. I had no idea. I ran into it from WP:FFU. Donno, guess great minds tag alike?  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

RfA
Hi Sven. I appreciate the positive comments and !votes you make on RfA, but don't be tempted to take the bait. I've made some comments in what I think are the right quarters - it won't help the current issue, but it might give people time to reflect before they comment  again on RfA. Keep up the good work, and happy editing! --Kudpung (talk) 05:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Lift off non-free galleries
i kinda object to the image removal and deletion, and have incorporated them into the article. i have also raised a RfC here Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content Slowking4 (talk) 15:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and responded. In the interest of saving time, since my response is rather long and details the policy in my typical wordy fashion, here is the condensed response; You're wrong, the overwhelming consensus has just told you that you're wrong, and I strongly encourage you to accept this and abide by it. Were this not such an important issue, I would not be so undiplomatic on it.
 * From the RfC: From a legal standpoint, copyright policy trumps just about everything. There are justifications for the use of multiple non-free images on a page, but almost never in gallery format.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  16:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Worth a FSC nomination?
Hi, it's hard to find free modern performances by orchestras. This one is not bad at all. The opening chords lack oomph (slight lack of simultaneity within the orchestra), but the fast bits (taken pretty fast) are well handled.



Tony  (talk)  15:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

IRC
Sorry, I didn't get your message in time. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh well, that's okay. X! and I were on, as were a few other FS regulars. It was mostly a social "hi, you're back, here's what changed while you were away, and here's a group of fawning users who are too new to FS to have met you before this" type thing. I'll be on for most of the weekend if you still want to jump in.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
I really appreciate all your help shepherding Bright_College_Years.ogg through the nomination process, and also improving its copyright information on Wikimedia. Thank you very much.

If you happen to encounter any FLAC files in the future, either in an .ogg container or in the original .flac, you should be able to play them in a free program called VLC. (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) As far as I know, browser support is still nonexistent, which is understandable since FLAC is used more for editing/archiving than for distribution/playing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oconnor663 (talk • contribs) 07:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I actually have VLC now. My concern though is with everyone else being able to listen to the file. A featured sound needs to be accessible to the average passer by, hence the file conversion. Also, on behalf of the people who hang around Featured Sounds, thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  07:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Satie
Sorry, I got distracted by trying to find an opus number for the work. I'll finish up. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:23, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

FS

 * Yay! Honestly, I'm more excited that we have someone doing closings on a regular basis than I am about the nomination going through. Still though, I'm glad to add another featured sound to the mix.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  03:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

FS votes
Could you refactor the post to not be a pessimistic, defeatist commentary on how FS will surely fail to get onto the main page? That's not good presentation. At all. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I certainly didn't wish to upset the apple cart by starting a discussion about the inclusion of lists. I wasn't asking for a vote, just an indication of possible support.  I've collapsed that section of the discussion so hopefully it won't detract from the FS drive for main page inclusion.  Hopefully, eventually, we'll all be happy!  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh god. This came out all wrong. What I was hoping would happen was that all of the various reformers would group together and push FS through with a unified, resounding voice. We'd then follow up by doing the same thing with FL immediately afterwords. My goal was to make sure that everything had a clear and unified backing, and that once we broke through with FS, everything else would carry through with positive momentum, one at a time. I'm an overly ordered person. Instead, my poor communication skills made it appear that I was angry at people. Frantic, yes, but not angry. I'm sorry if I offended anyone in the past few days of this. I assure you all that was not my intention.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  21:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ach, text is awkwards like that, so easy to read the wrong way. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Never mind I've got it
These sorts of things have to be formatted the right way, starting with a concise summary, and so on, and put in a new section. I do rather wish you hadn't jumped the gun a bit, but, meh, we'll manage. =)

I hope you don't object to me rewriting the intro, but, you can't be that negative and expect something to pass. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * See my apology post immediately above this header.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  21:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it! Honestly, it may be a good thing; just a little sooner than I expected. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

...So far, unanimous support! Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, from me, don't worry about it Sven, it happens. No harm done.  Hopefully this delightful precedent of support for sounds on the mainpage will be able to translate across to lists in due course.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It should. Is FL coming up with their proposal? Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's going to be stirringly similar to your own I suspect. I think, of the formative discussions, we're in general agreement that FL Wednesdays are the way forward.  And as I indicated at Talk:Main page, we should be easily able to generate blurbs like FAs do already.  Should be relatively simple...! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

FYI
Cheers, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  23:23, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Gonzalo Cabrera AfD
Hi, the admin on this AfD has asked that those who voted revisit the discussion. Thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 05:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A link would be very nice please.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:15, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops! Stu.W UK (talk) 05:16, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Moved from oppose to no contest.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * CheersStu.W UK (talk) 10:48, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

One up
User:The_Rambling_Man/Main_page_FL_candidates Tony   (talk)  06:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're trying to show me. So he's preparing FLs. Is this an issue, a challenge, or just a "hey look at this"?  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  07:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to keep you in the picture—no agendas, certainly. I presume what is being proposed is that this second featured-pic "slot" will be allocated four days a week to pics, two days a week to sounds, and one day a week to lists—they are asking for one day a week. What do you think?
 * Can you have a look at how I presented the FSs this week? Wikipedia Signpost/2011-02-21/Features and admins Tony   (talk)  12:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just realised, FLs are very different from pics and sounds in the display coordinates. Who knows? But best one keeps a finger on the total changes being lobbied for. I will leave a note for Adam referring him to this thread. Tony   (talk)  12:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of this. Indeed, I encouraged them t o so, and offered to do make it possible to include them. They'll probably be taking the wednesday slot. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:41, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you, as to Tony I made some modifications to the article. That's just the way I tend to do the linking for multi-parters. I am of the belief that the less work others have to do to get to it, the more likely they are to listen to the music.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  20:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

File:Van Cao piano.jpg
The same image on the Vietnamese Wikipedia was deleted nearly 3 years ago with the reason of being unused in any article at that time. Of course, there was not any information about its source. An Apple of Newton talk 19:48, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:50, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Main page prep
Hey, Sven, you said you'd make a list of every currently-featured sound, in promotion order. I just want something I can cross out things on as they're prepared for the mainpage, and which puts them in the approximate order to be used. Once it's made, it'll be easy enough to look at the last item on the list and get the rest, but with three years of archives, it's a bit behind. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Odd transclusioning
This was removed from here because we don't normally transclude discussions on village pumps. Why don't you leave a notice on the VP about the discussion happening over on the portal talk page? Or move that discussion? Otherwise things get screwy with archiving, etc. Overall, it just creates a mess and should be avoided. Killiondude (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

FS Barnstar
I don't know if you designed this, but I love it. Couldn't be more appropriate for the context. Good luck with the implementation of FS. I'll do my best to hop over every so often to !vote.  upstate NYer  02:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did design it, and thank you on both counts. I have other stars in the works, and do take requests, if you ever have an interest in one.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  02:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

BARNSTAR :D
hello,

thank you for the barnstar! I give you this barnstar, of course!


 * Thank you, but this really isn't for me alone. Adam Cuerden was the one that had the courage to go to the main page, and there are plenty of other users that had been planning such a thing for a very long time. I'm a relative newcomer to FS, and there is a line of people that need thanking before I do, at least in my opinion.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  15:52, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Layout
Take a look at the discussion thread on my talk page for what, I think, is the best layout, and the one that should get the most support. Raul654 (talk) 20:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Star your barn
I'll stay out of the selection process since I'm steamed at the lack of gratitude, but just wanted to give you kudos for the work. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 02:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Main Page comment
I'm wondering what you hoped to accomplish by this comment, which is very likely going to start a flame war. Calling a Wikimedia project a "waste of time" is really not a good idea, regardless of your view of whether it has the potential to eventually further the Wikimedia goal of bringing free information to the world. I think it would be very helpful if you were to edit your comment to be less insulting to the Wikinews project. --Yair rand (talk) 09:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe it wasn't a good idea to say it out loud, but that's not the sort of comment that would start a flame war. If I said the same thing about an on-wiki project, maybe it would get heated, but the vast majority of Wikipedians don't really care about Wikinews. As far as Wikinews goes towards the "goal of bringing free information to the world", I'd have to say it's not an explicit failure but it's towards the low end in quality out of many free to access news services. Because everything has to be current, rather than Wikipedia which can take years to nurture articles, the quality is amlost always going to be an issue. In the end, it's not worth visiting regularly for someone like me who consumes high quality news in high volumes, so I'll stick to other free online access sites, like the New York Times. Sorry if it's not what you want to hear, but I stand by it.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  16:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Main page layout
Further to the comments from Raul and Sandy about main page design the other day, I was wondering if I could get your thoughts on this layout. I should stress that I'm not personally in favour of such a layout yet, because I don't think sounds can sustain a daily slot, but I thought it would be a good idea to get all the main designs put together before the lists discussion closes, so that we are in a position to discuss and implement a new design as soon as possible. Also, do you know of anywhere that I could import a Sounds blurb from? My fill is truly awful. Regards, —WFC— 10:20, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * At this time FS cannot sustain daily sounds, we just don't have the numbers. I also am not a fan of having three sections in the blue and green bars, among other reasons because balance becomes a bigger issue. I also don't know what you mean by "import a Sounds blurb from." If you mean that you need a different format, try swapping "lisen" with "multi-listen item" in, for example, . It will remove the box, however it's not recommended to use that format unless there are actually multiple items, and the proper start and end tags are also used. There's also the very rarely used "*sound" option, again placed where "listen" would me. It creates a smaller box. I have an idea for using that along with an image of, say, the actual score, but that hasn't been run by the coders yet, it could be impossible. Thank you for putting in all this effort though. Feel free to shoot me anymore questions you've got.   S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:35, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

How about if someone works out a layout that doesn't change so much by the day; i.e., one where the FL section is independent from whatever happens on FS and FP, where everything is balanced, and where the FL section is simply there on some days, not on others? That way, once they (inevitably) realize that they *are* ready (my bias), design changes won't be needed. All of the proposals I've seen seem somehow unbalanced or awkward, and the alternating days thing continues to bother me because it will be confusing to our readers (one expects to see a consistent layout from one day to the next). Someone asked somewhere what Raul's proposal is-- that is on his talk. I personally think two FPs is overkill, and FS isn't ready at all, but then I 'spose my opinion shouldn't count, since I was late to weigh in on that. We really should be working on a design that best serves our readers *and* the process that is most ready and worthy which, IMO, is FL. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:40, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I am concerned, Howcheng effectively killed the two FP idea last night when he posted that it wasn't necessary. What is most likely to happen is that we will go to a modification of our original idea. Long technical details explanation short, it would only effect the purple box, which would be one long box on four days, and two boxes split 55/45 on the other three days. The coding would be done in such a way as to not require an admin to make the switch between one box and two, it would be semi-automated in the same way FP is now.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Files for upload
For your interest I have created a template (WPAFCF). If you subst this template to the talk page of a submitted file, then it will automatically add the timestamp in the project template and this way we can avoid that the submission is undated. Armbrust <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  13:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I will try to remember that. In the mean time, you probably should make the template substitute only, like the WPAFC template is now, so that if someone forgets to subst: it, it won't break.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

A naive question
Sven, I really appreciate you putting forward the filemover proposal. As I've admitted several times, I'm pretty naive about files, and I'm trying to evaluate the possibility of just giving it away the way we do regular moves. If it isn't any more problematic, I'm in strong agreement that "handing out more safe tools more widely" is a good thing. But I'm sensitive to the danger of derailing the good (getting you and other experienced file folks this userright) for the best, particularly knowing that I'm wading into something I'm not at all experienced with. So I'm chatting here, not there. :)

So, apologies out of the way, let me toss a question your way. It appears that files on ENWIKI and COMMONS share their namespace (at least from the point of view of ENWIKI articles using those resources), with (I'm guessing, but the docs aren't entirely clear) the former taking precedence over the latter, and conflicts between the two are a bit of an issue. Am I right to think that if a user takes an ENWIKI file and renames it to NEWNAME, where NEWNAME is also the name of a preexisting file on Commons but not previously on ENWIKI, that that would override any existing uses of NEWNAME that might already exist in ENWIKI articles, and be a move that would not be able to be undone without administrative assistance (as it would require a deletion)? That strikes me as the sort of problem that falls short of vandalism that might create some concern about handing this out to all auto-confirmed users, but ... perhaps I'm just misunderstanding some element of this. --j &#9883; e deckertalk to me 19:51, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I have to leave now and can't answer this for 24 hours. I recommend you talk to someone else that does file moves often, the one that comes to mind the fastest is Magog the Ogre, and go ahead and link me to that discussion so I can read it over when I get back. Sorry,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:54, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No apologies required, safe travels! --j &#9883; e deckertalk to me 19:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * PS--as you've noticed, I ended up bringing the concern to the table over at the discussion. Thanks!  Again, safe travels!  --j &#9883; e deckertalk to me 21:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw. I edit conflicted with you. My crappy wifi connection at the airport forced me to start over with commenting twice. Ah well. Thank you for speaking up on this. We might be wrong, but if we're not, it would be a serious issue.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  22:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you try to move a file over one that exists on commons, as an administrator you will get a warning about moving on top of a file that exists on a shared repository. If you click continue anyway, it will move it on top, and the underlying file is no longer visible to enwiki. An administrator can undo this by deleting the existing file, or moving the file and suppressing/deleting the redirect. If non-administrators were allowed to move files, they would not have the ability to undo this, because they would have to tag the subsequent file as db-g6 with an explanation.
 * Just to weigh in on the provision: I am most definitely not in favor of allowing any autoconfirmed user to move files. I might be in favor of allowing a filemover permissions flag like they have on commons (like the rollbacker flag we have on enwp), but I don't see much of a need for it at the moment. If the worry is that files often have sucky names, this is legit but not a pressing need (the rename media isn't used as often here as at commons). If the worry is that files are blocking a file on commons, then the file should a) be moved to commons, or b) tagged rename media. If it becomes enough of an issue, surely the devs could turn the bit on. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, turning on that bit on Enwiki is where this discussion is started, and we were speaking in terms of how file moves on ENWIKI would work in that case,. Some of the opposition to moving the filemover bit here centers around "why can't it be given to all autoconfirmed users?", and I came here trying to make sure I understood some of the potential troubles that would arise as a result.  The discussion in question is at, FYI.  Thanks for the answer, most appreciated. --j &#9883; e deckertalk to me 23:12, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks both of you.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  21:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

=March=

FS Notes
vs. . Assess.  S ven M anguard  <font color="FCD116">Wha?  07:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

IRC invitation
Because I have noticed you commenting at the current RfC regarding Pending Changes, I wanted to invite you to the IRC channel for pending changes. If you are not customarily logged into the IRC, use this link. This under used resource can allow real time discussion at this particularly timely venture of the trial known as Pending Changes. Even if nothing can come from debating points there, at least this invitation is delivered with the best of intentions and good faith expectations. Kind regards.  My 76 Strat  09:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No thanks.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:15, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

TUSC token 6436a3fe30374c15b3202f2ccf2e6ca1
I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

FS

 * GASP! It's, my favorite!  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  22:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh you fixed it.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  22:18, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

good catch, but does it have the s?
My rights-granting screen shows it as "file mover". --joe deckertalk to me 05:35, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * PS, congrats on your new bit! --joe deckertalk to me 05:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my, you're right. It only has an s in Special:ListGroupRights. Can you fix that please?  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. :)  --joe deckertalk to me 05:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. It was my bad. BTW the group/right is not field tested, it works perfectly. I'd love to be able to move without creating a redirect, but that wasn't part of the contract, and so I'll just leave a stream of db-housekeeping requests in my wake Smiley.svg.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try and clean up a few of those after all the trouble I caused. --joe deckertalk to me 05:52, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Trouble? BAH! Your heart was in the right place.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh. Thanks.  I'm outta here for the evening, but let me know if I can be of any assistance, congrats for getting the proposal through, that's a rare and worthy accomplishment.  --joe deckertalk to me 06:07, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi I have made a userbox for you: Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's really nice of you. Now I feel guilty as hell that I don't use userboxes on my page. I will think of some way to put this to good use. By the way it's great to see your name again, it's been a while.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  06:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed the in-template link. --joe deckertalk to me 06:07, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I created a .png icon for it. Again, not something I'd use, but it's there.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  06:25, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Where there is a userbox there is a top icon File Mover --Guerillero &#124; My Talk   00:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Chzz, Logan, Kelly, Guerillero. Everyone that's got it thus far seems to be qualified. That's good.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  01:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * So far its a high quality group of editors. Everyone seems to be a rollbacker and reviewer first. source --Guerillero &#124; My Talk   04:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * With the exception of Kevin W. I also know every one of them. There is a lot of talent and clue on that list, which, of course, is a very good thing.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  04:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

File mover
Hey, looks like I'm file mover #2! I incorporated the new user right into Requests for permissions. Kelly hi! 22:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, I saw that a few hours ago. Having come across you a few times, I can honestly say you deserve it. As long as nothing explodes, this might get extended to all autoconfrimed users in a few months, but it might not. Either way, we should make sure Category:File renaming stays relatively empty and fix anything else we find along the way. This is the first debundling of an admin right in a very long time and I want to make sure nothing happens that will make the community come to regret it.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  22:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Adam
You, and you alone, are creating new proposals every three days, and just when I think it's safe to start coding again, everything changes, as you ignore all previous discussion and come up with something new.

IO thought we were using FS as voted on, L same, but on the left of the FP. That was simple and easy to code. Instead, you seem to think that these things should be moved all oevr the pafge every two days, with new discussions springing out of nowhere, and the slightest hint of a new idea causing all previous consensus-building to be scrapped.

STOP IT. I am not goiing to have you sabotaging the mainpage due to having some sort of "ooh, shiny" syndrome that makes you think that you have to radically changfe the page layout the moment ANYONE criticises it.

Had you not put your big foot in it, this would have been settled long agoi.. Number of people against the originakll alayout befvore you decided everything should be made changeable just to satisfy a single complaint by someone who hadn't read carefully enough? at most two. Two people shouldnt' m3ean that everyone else gets screwqed oever

Keep this up, and you can find a new coder, because there's no chance it'll ever reach the main page if you think that everyone has to be happy with a layout or it's worthless.

Fucking hell, Seven, every single thing you've done in regard to the m,ain page proposal, from moving it to voting early, to immediately sayiong to ignore all proposals on layout to date when two people criticised the layout have been all abotu you panicking, so you do something stupid. Please STOP. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Between your ranting, X!'s long absences, and Tony1's not seperating criticism of performances from criticism of performers, I'm begining to question why the hell I spend my time at FS at all. I've been trying to bridge gaps and make everybody happy, but there is one proposal that I really want, and I have outright said it several times, (FS above FP in two separate colored horizontal boxes). Believe me, I understand what it's like to be held in limbo while the community reaches a decision, I just did it with File Mover.
 * Yelling at the one person who's been standing at your side fighting for the same cause for the entire time, however, is going to get you nowhere.
 * I've been thinking of leaving FS since the Tony1 incident a few weeks ago, you helped talk me out of it. Now I'm beginning to wish you hadn't. While I probably will be back to FS soon, I need a few days away from it at least.
 * Unless you're writing to apologize to me, I don't want to hear from you this weekend. I can shrug off being yelled at by vandals and new users. Being yelled at by someone you've worked tirelessly for/with over the course of months is a harder pill to swallow.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  21:25, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, let's take a chill pill here. No need for the outburst, I understand you're frustrated Adam, totally, but let's calm down.  Please.  Keep the discussion centralised, and neutral.  The Rambling Man (talk)


 * You'll have to excuse me for a few days while I pretend that a wikifriend didn't just throw a tantrum all over my page. I'll be working elsewhere for the time being. When I decide FS is worth my time again, I'll be happy to participate in a calm centralized discussion.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  21:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Whatever, I'll say what needs to be said; We both screwed up. If there is any chance of this going forward smoothly we both need to do a hell of a lot better job communicating with each other.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  22:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * (e/c)Sure thing. It's a tough time we're having at the moment.  I think we all want the same thing, a diverse main page, which celebrates the best the whole of Wikipedia has to offer, not just FAs and the random (and often poor) articles that ITN, OTD etc throw up.  I know that Adam's working hard to get a great, flexible solution to main page coding to incorporate FS and FL and has encountered a fair bit of stress at Talk:Main page.  He needs our support in this.  I also think it's inevitable that FS and FL will get more (and varied) scrutiny through these endeavours for main page exposure.  That's why people like Tony1 contribute to FS, FL etc.  Ultimately, I'm sure, to enhance the quality of anything that goes to the main page.  I know there's a lot of frustration here, I really do, but ultimately, once you've got over all the technicalities, I think almost all of Wikipedia wants what you and I do.  See you after your break.  Cheers,  The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm quite taken aback by Adam's tone (both here and at Talk:Main Page). It was explicitly stated that we were strictly determining whether or not to add featured lists and featured sounds to the main page (with the mock-up serving only as an example of a possible implementation), with layouts to be discussed later.
 * Apparently, Adam mistakenly believed that we'd officially settled on the 55/45 plan, so it's understandable that he'd become frustrated upon learning that other options were under consideration (as planned all along, which he didn't realize).
 * Nonetheless, his hostility is uncalled for. There's been an honest misunderstanding (for which I blame no one), and it won't be resolved by hurling hurtful insults and accusations.  —David Levy 22:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The FS proposal very explicitly says that the location is included. See Talk:Main_Page/Archive_156 Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see my reply at Talk:Main Page. —David Levy 23:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Go rot in hell you evil liittle bastard. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:21, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Note - I've blocked Adam for a short period, to stop him using foul language in any more venues, so it's probably better not to respond to him right at this minute. Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:04, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Elen, that this happened at all pains me greatly. When he was going by the handle of user:Shoemaker's Holiday, Adam helped build up featured sounds, and I have great respect for him for that. However he burned out once before, and I was determined not to have it happen again. I really didn't want to engage him until Monday. I didn't want to lose him, or alienate him any more than I apparently had, however this spiraled out of control. The fact that I became the focus of his burnout, that I am at least partially responsible for his second exodus from featured sounds, and the damage that that exodus will cause to featured sounds over time, is painful to me. The one thing I don't understand is where this came from. We were working fine just a few days ago, and this very much came out of nowhere. Please make his block no longer than it needs to be, because if he does decide to return to featured sounds when this blows over, I would want him to be able to do so. Even if it meant that I had to leave featured sounds so that he would return to it, I would, reluctantly, do that, as in the end, he would end up doing more for the process than I ever will be able to.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  00:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Note
[posted here because the discussion's been closed]

Regarding this edit, you appear to have misunderstood what I wrote. I'm not suggesting that the featured sound and featured picture "are the same thing." I'm noting there there is a significant thematic connection between them (even stronger than the thematic connections linking the two pairs of sections currently sharing boxes on the main page). In no way did I mean to denigrate the independent roles that sounds and pictures (as well as the featured sounds and featured pictures processes) play in the encyclopedia and its community. —David Levy 22:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry then. I'm a bit on edge at the moment.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  22:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

In your sig
There's a yellow "wha?" that's supposed to lead to your talkpage, but it's extremely bright on my comp and very obscure. Can you please tone down the yellow, and take a look at SIG? Thanks, :| TelCo  NaSp <font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|  19:31, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Short answer: I respectably decline.
 * Long answer: No one else has told me of having a problem with it, and I've already changed my signature once because other people didn't like it. It's also quite visable for me, and I know my screen is calibrated correctly. Go to WP:FPC and use their calibration setup to make sure you're seeing everything correctly.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  20:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Sven. I'll note that while visible, the link in question isn't particularly easy to read on my end.  I'm inclined to believe that people with uncorrected visual impairments would have a difficult time discerning it.  Please consider switching to a darker shade for improved contrast.  Thanks.  —David Levy 21:04, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This is as dark as it gets while still being roughly "yellow". Is this any better?  S ven M anguard   Wha?  21:10, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is significantly better. Thanks again.  —David Levy 21:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is better. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 01:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Purpose of Wikipedia:Today's featured sound page?
It's not clear from your edit as to the present purpose of this project namespace page -- Today's featured sound -- is. It looks like a db-test page to me. If you could add some more context such as its relationship to Featured sound candidates, that would be swell. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 01:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, no offense but one look at my edit history, or my user page, or even this talk page, would tell you that I'm in the thick of dealing with Featured Sounds getting a position on the main page. That wasn't a test page, but at the same time, I wanted it to be flushed out by now, we just got delayed. See Today's featured picture for what is eventually going to be there. Setting this up is going to happen right after the coding for the front end was done.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  02:33, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. No offense taken - I don't even have time to look at explosions much less look into such matters. : ). Feature sound would be a great addition to the Main Page. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Re filemove G6 declines
Sorry, but this is not a case of noncontroversial cleanup. Deleting a redirect because it's not plausible is an R3 case, not a simple cleanup case, and these images are far too old for R3. If you want to see them as natural G6 candidates, then realise that their deletion is not non-controversial because I oppose them, and therefore they're not G6 candidates anymore. G6 is for matters such as history merges, not getting rid of titles that may appear in years of article histories. Nyttend (talk) 03:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Most other admins have removed them under G6. Sven, If we flood RfD with nominations do you think that they will support a new CSD criteria? Because, these sort of redirects serve no putpose what so ever. --Guerillero &#124; My Talk   16:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's not make it into a big conspiracy. Deliberately flooding an area to annoy people into making a change is not a good idea. Nyttend is entitled to his opinion, and since it's not a mainstream one, I feel no need pursue other more radical options. I will continue to G6 any DSC##### that I find, as I do believe that such a thing qualifies as "Uncontroversial maintenance" and I suppose I'll take it from there.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  16:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If the file is widely used then Nyttend has a valid point, deleting the old names will make the history pages of the articles ugly. For single use imges in unpolular pages this may not matter much though. 21:25, 14 March 2011 (UTC) --unsigned comment by Graeme Bartlett
 * Your point is valid, however I have yet to see a widely used image with one of those names. In a perfect world these would be caught faster and there would be a series of intelligent filters that preveted DSC#### style names from being allowed. As it stands we do poorly on the first of those things and mediocre on the second. Ah well.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  21:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

E-mail
I have sent one. Best. Acalamari 10:37, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Response E-mail

I have sent one. Best.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  16:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

IRC
Hey, Sven, could you pop on IRC a moment? Confused about something you said. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Just got back in. On now.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  21:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Note
Were you referring to me when you mentioned that "one other user not from TE" showed up to help in the Sophie debacle? I thought you were, but then, I cannot remember you being there. Then again, I was only there 10 minutes, and most of that time I was doing homework. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I was not. The person I was referring to was there every day for weeks, and was a major player in the affair himself. I didn't even remember you being involved, to be honest. Although if you were only involved for ten minutes, that would explain why.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  20:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I had thought that the incident had lasted only a couple days. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Note - Further conversations involving TechEssentials

The conversation on TechEssentials has taken a nasty turn off-wiki. I was asked by DeltaQuad, a member of TechEssentials, to clarify my position on his involvement in the Sophie incident, as he appears to be planning a run himself. Despite the fact that his private IRC channel was one of a half dozen venues where the incident played out, DeltaQuad was, for the most part, a voice of reason during the whole affair. I will, of course, mention that during what I expect to be a "neutral" vote on his RfA. However very soon after my conversation with DeltaQuad, I was paid a rather angry visit by a 'Pilif12p', who accused me of disparaging people (it later became clear that these were his people, i.e. the TechEssentials group.) The conversation quickly went downhill from there. As a result, I have muted on IRC all of the members of TechEssentials I know of, and will no longer engage with them on the issue. I will, of course, answer questions on Wikipedia relating to any comments I made on Wikipedia related to the incident, or related to my RfA votes. I do not particularly revel the idea of doing so, however I opened the door, I can't just ignore it now, even if it's become a tad messy.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  04:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

FSC
Lots of closuresto do, and I've done all the ones I can I'm afraid. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:25, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, right, bloody fun time that'll be, yes? It'll get done, don't you worry. I've got class for another four hours, but after that I'll run them through. As an added bonus I'll poke at someone to close the delistings while I'm at it.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  16:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. If you're reading it without the 'drunken tavern lout' accent, you're doing it wrong.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  16:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Change of plans. A bit of an emergency on my end means I can't do it for another few hours.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  22:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Intellectual theft, it appears
I've heard that you've decided to steal my idea. Not happy. I made the conditions of telling you about it very very clear, didn't I? This is SERIOUS theft of my intellectual property, which you were perfectly aware was going to be implemented elsewhere. You appear to have breached your written agreement (you will remember our IIRC conversation). I cannot believe that you have done this. Tony  (talk)  03:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the institution thing:
 * 1) Your plan and my plan are not at all similar. Yours is much larger in scope and involves the institution as a whole. Mine is limited to me asking a few friends, and if it goes well, using that success to get access to better equipment that the institution happens to control.
 * 2) You know I'm almost always on IRC. If you were worried, you should have considered going there before hand. This would save me the trouble of having to tell you that your perception is wrong while speaking cryptically.
 * If you're talking about the other thing that I spoke to J about, that has nothing to do with your idea, and I've been floating it for longer than I've had this account.
 * Hope this clears everything up. Can we be done with yelling for a while please then, I dislike the yelling.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  03:15, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The Great Backlog Drive
It was a pity you thought that I was mocking the drive by posting in verse because that was far from my intention. You had your rant and ironholds was even more objectionable on my talk page but the matters I was trying to raise hardly got discussed.

Firstly, I was writing on the discussion page of the drive main page. I did not realise at the time that that discussion page redirected to the Contribution Team discussion page, on which the period of the drive was mentioned. On the Drive page itself and its subpages, it was not mentioned. Unless one visited the Contribution Team page (and why should participants do that?) one wouldn’t know the start and finish dates. You can see from the comments that followed mine that other editors were also confused.

Secondly, the main drive page did not instil confidence (it has been changed since). The broken link to the 2011 participating projects looked bad. It was repaired after I mentioned it but it had been there throughout the drive. The lack of a start and finish date for the drive, the absence of clear targets, the different format of the present and historic statistics, and the absence of a leaderboard and progress statistics gave a poor impression. It looked like a rehash of the 2010 project with little 2011 input and I thought it likely that the competition part was only relevant to 2010.

It didn’t seem to me that sufficient information was available on the participants and progress page to enable the team who were deciding on the weekly winners to make an accurate and equitable decision as to who would get awards. And my impression is partly confirmed by rock drum, in the final post about the subject, when he suggested that the competition awards had not been presented in the later weeks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * As much as I'd love to continue to chew you out on what I still believe was rather appalling comment, if you did not mean it as such, I'll leave it alone. Suffice to say that Panyd and The Cav's sudden departures left us rather winded. Contribution team, like most projects, has a few leaders and a host of workers. Panyd and The Cav were the main leaders. Panyd had singular access to the Contrib Team budget and the giveaway materials. Right now, however, I'm far more worried about her than I am about the backlog drive. Check back in a few days, if she shows, the drive will likely get closed down, if she dosen't, I suppose I'll have to find someone willing to take over leading Contrib.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  19:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 21:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The 18 March Incident

 * Retired

A protracted argument with a stubborn egomaniac, off wiki harassment, and the general feeling that more often than not Wikipedia is a hostile place have led me to question my continued participation here. While there are many good people that do lots of good work, that does little to ease the sting of caused by a rather substantial number of very recent unpleasant experiences of which I have been a part of.

I have disabled my email and will not be on IRC for the foreseeable future. If you do decide to leave me messages, you may do so here, however I cannot guarantee that they will be read, let alone responded to.

I'd say that I'm sorry it came to this, but this has been weeks in the making, and really, I'm not at all sorry anymore. I'll try to remember the good times, that's all I promise.

Goodbye,  S ven M anguard   Wha?  00:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You're so moody, Sven. Why do you always get caught up in the arguments? D: I've emailed you. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  16:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry to see you go

I can't believe you let a heated up argument get to you, these tend to get the best of people. :( I hope you decide to change your mind, it's really sad to see you go. —  Ancient Apparition •  Champagne?  • 3:10pm • 04:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Just not sure what to say... Adam Cuerden (talk)
 * I definately know how you feel having tried to retire recently myself. Try not to let it get to you though. There seems to be more and more drama and less editing in WP these days but I found that WP is more addictive however and was back within a week. Good luck though. --Kumioko (talk) 04:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sad to see you go. Thank you for putting up with my crazyness on irc, spearheading the file mover user right, and mentoring me about the world of FS. I will miss you. --Guerillero &#124; My Talk   05:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I am shocked to see the loss of such a good friend from this project. I'm going to have to echo what Guerillero said here in addition to adding that you have a drive that the Featured Sounds project will probably not recover from for some time. Good luck with retirement and please come back every now and then! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Pretty close to the shittest thing I could read before going to bed. Please, don't go! The reason Wikipedia is becoming a more hostile place is the gradual loss of people like you. Stay, please. I had grapes for you. :( &mdash; <font color="gray" face="Times New Roman">La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 05:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Fuck it, no. You'll be missed by many. You're a maverick of the kind Wikipedia needs more of, and I'm sorry to see another one leave. Please, by all means, take a break, cool down, ignore the place (or damn it to hell as you wish), but don't make it forever. <font color="#CC0099">sonia ♫  08:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm still far too angry to consider coming back to edit. Your support is certainly appreciated, but I've reached the point where I feel that the abuse I've borne the brunt of outweighs any of the other factors that would make me want to stay.
 * In all honesty I reached that point at the beginning of the month and almost retired then. Again, it was Tony1 that pushed me to that point. Since I doubt that I'll have to suffer through contact with him again, I'm just going to go ahead and link my resignation statement from March 2. It's here. I still stand by everything that I put there. In case you don't want to read through it all, the basic gist of it is that Tony1 is manipulative and unethical, and he's mistreated people I consider my friends.
 * I found out later that this isn't the first time he's pushed for those same chances at featured sounds, he made a similar proposal years ago, and that the polarization and battles it caused is part of the reason why most of the regulars left FS then. He seems to have a real talent in damaging Featured Sound's prospects.
 * Finally, the last straw today was that Tony1 has said in definite terms that he would harass any of my friends that posted their work on Wikipedia, and that he would do his best to ruin me on Wikipedia if I got my friends to upload. After all of the things he's done to me and to my friends, that he would play the victim and accuse me of stealing from him was just too much for me to take. That he would try to destroy an effort to get new content on Wikipedia, just because he wants to get all the limelight when his idea goes through, and that no one really seems to find that wrong, is appalling. I said it there, I'll say it here. I never stole anything from him, I never even agreed to what he said I agreed to, certainly not the binding as he implied.
 * So that's it. I'm tired of the lying, the accusations, the bullying, and the threatening. Sure, the resurgance of the Sophie incident contributed, sure the viciousness I've seen at RfAs is troubling, but the single factor that pushed me over the edge is that I cannot stand to watch Tony1 destory Featured Sounds again and demean my friends and I in the process. After spending months working there, hours upon hours of my time trying to get it to the shape it deserves to be in, I don't want to be around when he destroys it, and I am tired of suffering his abuse.
 * Now I've said everything that needs to be said. I have no doubt that he'll try to have this suppressed as an attack and viciously deny everything. I also have little doubt that nothing will change because of this. It just needed to be said.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  06:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Awww, no! I'd just replied to your message, and was genuinley grateful and looking forward to working through the dsc's with you, as you seemed knowledgable, helpful, and kind - all good qualities for a Wikipedia editor. I've seen you active at WP:FSC, the new mainpage re-design was something you were heavily involved in, if you do quit, many areas of Wikipedia will feel your departure. We're losing to many good editors these days, don't be one of them. I hope you decide to stay, if not you will be greatly missed. Acather96 (talk) 08:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * While we may not have directly interacted, I have noticed you in a few places before and have always thought well of you. I hope to see you return at some point, hopefully in the near future. Best regards, Strikerforce (talk) 08:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see you go Sven. I've only been slightly involved in FS very recently, but you seemed to do an awful lot of the work there. At it's best it was a highly positive environment to visit, and a really interesting part of WP. I have noticed an unpleasant undercurrent there though, and I'm not sure I like it much either. I'll see how likely I am to continue to contribute. FWIW it's a real shame that you feel you have to take this step. WP needs people like you who are prepared to use your valuable time to help the community. Best of luck, and I do hope that you return soon. Major Bloodnok (talk) 20:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

You know, if what's happening is what I think's happening, Tony's supposed IP is what Durova was talking loudly about, in multiple forums, three years ago: Working with schools and universities to promote their students by getting their sounds heard on Wikipedia.
 * Tony

...It didn't happen because Tony and (admittedly, primarily) Kleinzach drove her off Featured Sounds by making the atmosphere rather horrible - and that's what she told me personally as her reason for stopping participation there. But Durova talked about it all the time I was working with her on FS.... Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Durova's a facebook friend, although I spend little time on FB. I had a go at trying to transform FSC into a better process years ago—it was moribund, and I believed the standards were too low. Kleinzach was on board as a reformer then, too. At any rate, I was unsuccessful at the time. The irony is that Sven and Adam have indeed transformed FSC in taking on the directors' mantles. I supported this arrangement, and I still do; I was the one who suggested it in the first place. Sven has been angry with me for weeks, but I'm unsure why and his promised email about it never came. I think he owed me some communication about whatever was eating him, and I am still very unhappy about the IP thing. But let me say that I neither mind nor take seriously the tirade against me on this page and my talk page. I hope you return soon, Sven. Tony   (talk)  13:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I wish Sven had alerted me to his "notes" sandbox page, which was at least partly addressed to me. I've only just read it. Actually, I think he was bound to alert me, since it contains personal accusations on-wiki. He seems to be too wound up to communicate with me; this is a pity, since we've got on fine previously, and my memory of private discussions with him on IRC is very positive. The sandbox is mostly out of balance. It's nice to get the apology about the "lazy quack" comment about my off-wiki friend. On critiquing FSCs recorded by WPians, I'm sorry, but I do reserve the right to make detailed commentson their work—negative ones where I believe it's necessary. I'm sure La Pianista has survived admirably. The accusation of my being "unethical" for commenting on the proposal to reform voting at FSC? This doesn't make sense. I do not agree that a reviewer has to listen to a whole recording to make comments (nor to read a whole FAC to make comments). Often you can tell within 10 seconds that it's a no-go, although I concede that if it's likely to be a "support", it's usually necessary to listen to the whole file. Calm down, Sven, have a few days off, and return. This can all pass by. Tony   (talk)  13:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * So much of what is wrong with Tony1 is on display in that comment, principally that he dosen't even seem able to acknowledge the slightest possibility of a problem on his end, that he dosen't read what I actually say, and that he continues to think that he is in this legally exalted position where I am 'bound' to do things and 'obligated' by 'written agreements' to kowtow to whatever increasingly insane demands he comes up with. That he blames me for not wanting to communicate with him after he threatened me is laughable.
 * a) As indicated by my posts on your talk page, I started with a very nasty version and kept rewriting it down and down until it was something less nasty. I never ended up sending you anything because I was trying for a that version I thought communicated my points but would not spark another fight. The original nasty one is the one I linked to above, the one that I was supposedly 'bound' to show you. In reality I'm not 'bound' to say or do anything, especially since that page was live for less than a second and never shown in a public area.
 * b) Yes, I suppose you do have the right to make detailed comments, but in the words of another editor, you're the kind of person that would see some lint on the carpet and declare 'the house is filthy'. You see 17 different things in a performance that you don't like, and if most of them are minor and three of them are oppose-worthy, instead of, like everyone else, saying "a couple of minor slips, however A, B, and C were more troubling and I have to oppose" you go ahead and list all 17 different things. It's demoralizing, and it actually makes the critique less useful, as it does nothing to prioritize the more worrying mistakes. However all of that aside, this was still what set me off, because it shows a complete lack of boundary between criticizing the work and criticizing the artist. I took it as in the same vein as "this dress makes you look less fat than other dresses" and found it as a rather insulting jab. I was not alone in this.
 * c) You commenting on the proposal was not what I said was unethical. You helping craft the proposal and then pretending that you had not was. If I recall correctly used the analogy that you only had a limited number of bullets to spend, i.e. you were a reformer and you only had a limited number of reforms you could propose. I bought that then, but that was before I realized that you had tried and failed with the same proposal before, and before I realized you had a less than stellar reputation. With your contentious history in the area, that you had helped craft the proposal would have been something others might have wanted to know.
 * d) You have artfully dodged the fact that you have repeatedly threatened to harass any of my friends that post their work on Wikipedia and threatened to attempt to destroy my reputation if they do post. You're hiding behind some conversation we had, in which you claim to have shared details of the operation with me. You want to know what I remember, here it is, for all to see:
 * Tony1 has been working to form a partnership between Wikipedia and a major Australian music college. The proposal would be on the institutional level and permeate down to the student level, generating a large number of high quality audio recordings. The partnership fell through because the head of the Wikimedia Australia chapter did not write an official letter of some sort to the head of the music college. I have subsequently been informed that he did not write the letter because it was not within his power to do so, he needed approval of the Wikimedia Australia board to do so.
 * Literally that's all I remember from this conversation. I don't know what deep secrets you think you shared with me, I certainly don't have any of the materials you used. It's a moot point now though, because at least one of my friends read the fight above and told me that he no longer wants his name attached with Wikipedia, and that he's going as far as to release with a no derivatives non commercial license so that his work can't be used to hurt me, in case it accidentally wound up here. I most certainly did not tell him to do that, and at this point, he's beyond bringing back into the effort.
 * Finally, if Tony1 is genuine in his desire for me to return, he'll stop posting on my page, because every time he does I move further and further away from here.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  16:07, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Short note regarding point b: I'm very saddened by the knowledge of having been a part of this conflict, even if just a passive role. I apologize if anything I've said in reaction to Tony's comments exacerbated the situation.
 * Sven, if you're feeling like it - check your email. &mdash; <font color="gray" face="Times New Roman">La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 23:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Your patent disregard for confidentiality here has now changed my mind. Please, do not return . You are not yet mature enough to be an editor. And nope, I see utterly no problem at my end. You're the one having a fizz-out. Pity, but don't project your own personal problems onto other people—especially not in public. Tony   (talk)  06:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but this is Sven's talk page, if he says something respect. We don't trash your talk page. Frankly, it's this up-yourself arrogant attitude about you that makes people disregard your experience and quality contributions. I'd hardly consider you approachable, and your assertion of the differentiation in use of dashes and hyphens in arguments stumps me. Why bother? Your pragmatic attitude and adamancy on these petty subjects is... surprising especially for a user of your tenure... —  Ancient Apparition •  Champagne?  • 10:49pm • 11:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As you say, Ancient Apparition, this is Sven's talk. Let's all end the discussion here in respect. &mdash; <font color="gray" face="Times New Roman">La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 15:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Sven, if you're burned out on Wikipedia, stay away for a while and come back when you feel ready. I've quit more times than I can remember and it does wonders for bringing things back into perspective. Other editors will look after the place while you take a break. 75.57.242.120 (talk) 19:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, this sucks.  I agree with 75.57.242.120 too. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Please come back

Sven, you are one of the most dedicated editors I have seen recently on Wikipedia, based on your involvement on IRC and your movements to make major changes to Wikipedia, such as the implementation of the Filemover permission. I can see you as a sysop one day, and it would be horrible if you permanently stopped editing. Please return to Wikipedia. Logan Talk Contributions 21:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I strongly implore you to come back and continue to be a great asset to the project!! :) C T J F 8 3  20:03, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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 * ANI regarding Tony1

For those of you already involved in this conflict, please note that I have filed an ANI against Tony1.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  15:09, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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 * Unretired

Mediation between myself, Tony1, Adam Cuerden, and John Vandenburg has concluded, with all four parties agreeing to a common statement and set of agreements related to the March 18 incidents. The agreement and its details are not being made public, so please don't ask. Suffice to say that while there are points I would have worded differently, I can agree to it as an overall document and will abide by its terms.

With that, I am officially untiring. A few things of note regarding my retirement though:


 * I will be severely limiting the time I spend at Featured Sounds. Quite simply, I'm too emotionally involved in it, and it's unhealthy. My plan is to return to FS in a few months, resuming my duties as a director (i.e. person who knows how to close nominations) in the summer, when Guerillero is at camp and cannot be there full time. This will give me my time off, Guerillero the ability to scale back without feeling guilty, and FS three closers at a time.


 * Because I was not here to set it up, the Image Backlog Elimination Drive that I have been planning is being pushed back to May, from its original April. For those of you I've already read in on the idea, note that at this rate, one of the four backlogs I was targeting will likely be gone by April, so IBED might get restructured a bit.


 * I'll be lying low for a while. If you want me to get involved in something high profile, feel free to ask, and I might give you a few pointers, but I doubt I'll assume leadership or whip positions in anything for a while. I'm just not up to it. If you have gnome work, however, I'll likely be all game.

Finally, I want to thank everyone for their support, I really do appreciate it. Several of you posted words of encouragement, and a few sent nice email. I also got a very well written trout-by-mail which helped me to regain my senses in a way that only a trout can. All in all, I feel that between the community support and the mediation, I can unretire with some semblance of dignity. Huzzah, huzzah, let's quickly all just forget about this and move on with our lives, yes?

 S ven M anguard  Wha?  03:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * wb. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * thx.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  03:53, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you back! --joe deckertalk to me 04:01, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Sven. Although we haven't worked together much, I'm happy to see you return :) Email me about this Image Backlog Drive would ya? Sounds interesting. Matthewedwards :  Chat  04:48, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Will do, soon, remind me if I don't.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  06:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome back. :) I'll have a formal welcome-back present for you...soon, soon. And you're usually untiring - how does making this official have any weight? *wink wink* &mdash;  La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 18:31, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * WB sven. I hope all is well for you --Guerillero &#124; My Talk   00:30, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Good! Now don't ever retire again! C T J F 8 3  00:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to leave a message saying from what I had seen, you had done good work and your saying you were going to leave was just a rash decision (no offence) which you would soon realise the sillyness of such things (typically regardess as so-called ragequits (again, no offence, as I've done that before)) and come back a little embarassed, but soon forget about it. Guess it's not necessary now. =p So, welcome back from a near-stranger. =p Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 00:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back! :) Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:16, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you all. I suppose I don't mind the thankspam, however I'd have been just as happy if people took to "Huzzah, huzzah, let's quickly all just forget about this and move on with our lives, yes?" and allowed me to archive this in peace :D  S ven M anguard   Wha?  01:22, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome back Sven! :) —  Ancient Apparition •  Champagne?  • 1:35pm • 02:35, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


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