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DYK for Monumento al perro callejero
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

you're very welcome
it was a pleasure to help clean up the english on the 'peluso' page. i've spent a lot of time in mexico and having grown up in the states it often saddens me to see how cruel people can be to stray dogs in la república, so thank you for getting the article into 'did you know'. i often find myself fixing typos in DYK articles, and it would of course be better to fix them before they went up: if you want to pass any to me before they go up please do. i will attempt to create a talk page for myself as i imagine it would facilitate communicating with me. thanks again,--Potholehotline (talk) 22:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Not neutral?
Just wondering how stating a fact, "Italy are the reigning European Champions" is not neutral POV. They won Euro 2020, which makes them the reigning champions at least until Euro 2024 (if they don't win that competition). Moreover, the France national team are described as "reigning world champions" in their article. What's the difference?

If anything, refusing this language, which is both neutral on its face and neutral in fact, and is indeed a fact, is not neutral POV. Do I really need to cite a source saying that Italy are reigning European Champions even though there are several sources cited in the same article that state that Italy won Euro 2020? Do I need to point out the plethora of news sources that described Portugal as the "reigning European champions" going into Euro 2020? I mean if that's your issue, I'm happy to add a source stating that Italy are the reigning European champions. Otherwise, I don't understand your reversion at all.

In fact, I've gone ahead and readded the language, but citing to a reliable, neutral source which states that: "Italy will go [to the World Cup in Qatar] as reigning European champions". Neutral POV from a reliable, cited source (CBS Sports). Take a look at it if you like, but it's there. 24.178.111.153 (talk) 14:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

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Statue of Lázaro Cárdenas (Puerto Vallarta)
My stub for Statue of Lázaro Cárdenas (Puerto Vallarta) was redirected. I'm curious if you're aware of any other sources (English or Spanish) to add to the entry? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:57, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Am I not civil?
In which way am I not being civil? AndreáaC7 (talk) 03:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Tlalli
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Gabrielle dob
Hi many other internet sources have her date of birth different to Wikipedia

G McCoyd
 * You have not presented any of them. You just keep changing the date. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 16:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

List of public art in Guadalajara
If you're aware of any helpful sources with artist/date info for expanding entries about the artworks mentioned at List of public art in Guadalajara, please let me know! Another editor dislikes that I've created these unsourced stubs based on the Commons categories, so any help is much appreciated. Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 21:52, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Great! Looking forward to collaborating. I've already been following to archive sources and make other minor improvements. Thanks for helping, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * All but one done. I couldn't find info about the Statue of José Clemente Orozco at Guadalajara, just about another statue in a neighboring municipality, but nothing relevant. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 18:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Tbhotch Thank you! I see Orozco's at the Rotonda de los Jaliscienses Ilustres, so perhaps this source helps? (See also: Talk:Rotonda de los Jaliscienses Ilustres) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I found that the statue is there, but that's all the available information about it. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 19:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Also, not really sure what's up with the editor re: Tlalli and the roundabout. (shrugs) Great work on these articles, I hope you're able to promote them to Good article status once the fate of Tlalli and the roundabout are determined! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:31, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Tlalli is deliberately incomplete. I merely added the most relevant info that the DYK required. I haven't included the public and artistic reception ("the Wakanda monument"), as I'm still waiting for its installation or its official cancellation to complete the article. If it is canceled (for me as a writer) is the best thing that could happen as I will not have to write more information and it will be stable. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 22:43, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Are you able to find any info about the statue of José Clemente Orozco at Plaza José Clemente Orozco, just east of Minerva Roundabout? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:37, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't even find info about the plaza. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 18:58, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Mexican media image vandal
Does their main range, 187.232.0.0/17, need a reblock? Looks like they've been editing as recently as the 8th of this month (so not urgent enough to go to AIV/ANI) wizzito &#124; say hello!  05:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe it can be brought to ANI, but a global block might be better. This guy is deliberately trolling. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 18:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

infobox fix
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-League_2nd_Division

user arnab made few order mistakes with added logo, please fix — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.180.101 (talk) 23:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Arnab didn't do that]. Requests for edits belong to Talk:I-League 2nd Division. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 23:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

i mean, he added second logo / caption at the bottom and without space (=), also sentence mentioning pandemic-new name lacks linking and got grammar error.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1049175136

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.180.101 (talk) 23:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You can request them about the change at their talk page. I merely added a template to the page. I don't know anything about that league. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 23:43, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

it is technical part, not needed league knowledge. i did it already and didnt listen. so hoping users who protected can fix before opened again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.180.101 (talk) 23:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If this is your comment, it is a vague comment (which logo, which league, where's the WP:vandalism). And I say that I don't know about that league because it starts with: "The I-League 2nd Division (or Hero I-League 2nd Division for sponsorship reasons)", so both logos are technically correct. What's not correct is that both are placed in the infobox, but then again, I don't know which logo should be moved down. So that's why I would say that you ask them explicitly and with clarity what you want them to do. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 00:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

i meant maybe you usually fix GRAMMAR errors (both infobox and text have some), made by arnab who doesnt understand and i cant fix while locked. part of pandemic and infobox ORDER. anyway thanks, will get solution. (always better block instead of lock in such cases.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.180.101 (talk) 01:22, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_football_league

(compare with arnab's mistakes also) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.180.101 (talk) 01:23, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Tlalli
Hi, those red links are supposed to go to the Spanish language pages for those subjects, but are marked up wrong. Easily corrected for sure, but I don't immediately know how. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 02:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion you should look at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Mexican media image vandal wizzito &#124; say hello!  21:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Polanco metro station
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

New page
Hi. Would you approve this page Draft:Bandit (film)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sj105 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't collaborate with the AFC process. You have to click the "Finish drafting?" button and follow the instructions. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 01:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Two lighthouses in Puerto Vallarta
Hi again! Curious if you think the lighthouses Faro de Matamoros and Faro del Malecón in Puerto Vallarta should have articles? I would think so, but I'm not seeing much English-language sourcing. Would you be willing to do a quick search for Spanish-language sourcing? Thanks either way! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I found a few sources. They seem to be beacons rather than lighthouses—although they are colloquially known as such. The one pictured seems to be a leading lights beacon, while the one at Matamoros Street (and apparently there is another somewhere else) is a "situational" (literal translation) beacon. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 01:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Cool! Would you be interested in creating new stubs for these? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know anything about lighthouses. You might ask about this at WP:WikiProject Lighthouses because I've seen the Category:Stub-Class Lighthouses articles and you can see that everything there ends with "Light"/"Lighthouse". Also, if it is better to create an article for each or as a whole, because they are not even listed at List of lighthouses in Mexico. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 01:46, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel like we can only describe the structures as sources allow. If you're willing to link to some sources, I can try to get a sense of how much coverage each has received and attempt some English translations, if applicable, or at least share with WikiProject Lighthouses. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Took a first stab at one: Matamoros Lighthouse --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Matamoros (Matamoros and Galeana Streets): Establishment and disestablishment; restoration; passing mention of Malecón's, disestablishment; passing mention of Malecón's; status as a landmark, current status (as of April 2021), current status (as of November 2020) (I guess it's the same basing myself on the pictures); about it, but nothing truly relevant, minor painting jobs in 2017, about it, but it's just blogesque information, mentions it, but it's just already said info
 * Malecón (Galeana and Morelos Streets): about it, indirectly describes Matamoros', PDF page 330, about it, passing mention of Matamoros',
 * Coronoa(?): Allegedly this is the third one mentioned by this source, but the beacons are never named, I can't even confirm if it still exists or where. This source briefly mentions an observation deck along Corona Street (this is the full report on its status), but I can't see a beacon or lighthouse. This one mentions that there were three of them, but that it was later adapted (like Matamoros) as an observation deck on a mountain (like Matamoros).
 * BTW this is deliberate. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 04:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks!, I'll take a look at what you've compiled. Much appreciated, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Your stub pretty much summarizes every link about Matamoros' technical stuff. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 04:11, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. What title do you think would be most appropriate for the Malecón structure? Malecón Lighthouse? Faro de Malecón? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've prepared some data for your next article: &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:46, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @MSGJ Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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The Fisherman
Curious if you might have any insight into the question I've asked at Talk:The Fisherman (sculpture). I found a few sources about the sculpture, but they have a different location than where I just saw this sculpture on my walk. If not, no worries, just thought I'd ask. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again! Do you have any interest in searching for sources and ways to expand Iglesia de la Santa Cruz (Puerto Vallarta)? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Women Who Fight Roundabout
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Statue of Minerva, Guadalajara
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for The Young Woman of Amajac
—valereee (talk) 00:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)


 * theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:13, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Monumento Espacio Tiempo y Movimiento
Hello! I was strolling around Isla Cuale and came across the Monumento Espacio Tiempo y Movimiento, an interesting sculpture. I can find some pictures online, but not a lot of sources with more information. Are you open to doing a search to determine if there should be a Wikipedia article based on English- and/or Spanish-language sourcing? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * There is nothing about it . (CC) Tb hotch ™ 18:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for double checking my search. Bummer, I'm curious to learn about it. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

What is so wrong about my edit?!
Excuse me I don't get why I can't post this image. I found this image and thought it was nice to use in the article please let me use it. Have a nice day.

Something odd
The template for contents of the article is deleted in a lot of articles, i don't know why, hence my frenetic activity of reversing last edits, wich seems to fix the problem.

Snarcky1996 (talk) 21:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

No, i am aware of the hide function, it's not that, the template disappeared entirely on some articles, not all, for me at least, but no it's not the hide function.

Snarcky1996 (talk) 21:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

For example, the article "Fumio Kishida" does not have a template right now for me, can you please verify if it's just a me problem ?

Snarcky1996 (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

okay then, i'll ask technical support.

Snarcky1996 (talk) 21:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Plaza Hidalgo and statue
Hi again! I've created a stub for Plaza Hidalgo. Curious if you're able to find more coverage of the statue of Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla? I don't want to create a separate entry unless there's reason. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for helping with Iglesia de la Santa Cruz (Puerto Vallarta). Next to this plaza is Parroquia Nuestra Señora del Refugio. Notable enough for a page? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find something relevant about the parish beyond the year its construction started. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 20:21, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for confirming. Can you find much about the statue at Plaza Hidalgo? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:20, 9 November 2021 (UTC) Sorry, replied to the notification ping before seeing your update to Plaza Hidalgo. Thanks again! --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 23:21, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I've asked a question here about two bridges, if you're interested in helping to find info for either. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:17, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

LGBT Latin musicians
Hey there Tbhotch. Just wanted to let you know that I created a category for and thought you might want to know. I already included Raymix on the category and left a note on the category's talk page for sources of Latin artists who identify as LGBT. Erick (talk) 02:00, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Gaudelia Díaz
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Guadalajara light rail system
I see you work on light rail entries sometimes. Should the Guadalajara light rail system stations have entries? I assume so, since there are redlinks, but I figure you might be more familiar with notability requirements. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * At the moment I'm only focusing on the CDMX Metro (because there are around 170 stations and I've only written like 20 articles). I tried looking for those of the Xochimilco Light Rail system, which also lack individual articles that exist in other wikis like .es and .pt. However, I couldn't find real information about them and the external versions are merely about the stations' locations. For the one in Guadalajara, if you read Refugio railway station and Juárez railway station you will see that they don't meet the WP:GNG criteria. However (again), I've seen several stations from multiple systems around the world that look like that. Maybe some are notables, maybe some others are not, I can't tell if they would survive an AFD. Even some of the CDMX Metro were redirects at some point due to the lack of sources. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 03:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Very helpful, thanks! So I'm not bugging you on your talk page so often, I hope you have WikiProject Mexico on your watchlist so you can see when I've created new entries. You've been so helpful adding more info to new stubs, thanks again! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:11, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * There's no problem. For WP:Mex, I think the project is inactive. It's not tagged as such because it still receiving messages and replies, but the members are inactive. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 03:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, I hope you're able to check in on the new stubs being created when you have time. I am loving Guadalajara and have also visited Tlaquepaque and Zapopan. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:28, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Help me move a page
Can you please move 2019–2021 Iraqi protests back to 2019–2020 Iraqi protests? The page was moved without a discussion if you go through the history and reflects things that weren’t apart of the topic 85.107.226.164 (talk) 09:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * A request was asked here. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 14:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Antimonumenta
Based on your work on the Women Who Fight Roundabout, I wonder if you think there should be an article about this one as well. There are quite a few images here. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:34, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * All the works listed at es:Anexo:Antimonumentos are notables on their own. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 21:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, would Antimonumenta be the best title? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:44, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Provisionally, yes, as it is the sole topic. However there is another one in Mexico City and the concept itself is the primary topic. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 01:27, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I have no problem with moving the page if/when another article is created about the concept or the monument in CDMX. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:54, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm hoping you can create an article for the red bench in Guadalajara if there's enough sourcing. I see the bench is still installed next to the rotunda. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I was thinking to create a super DYK for March 8, like "did you know that antimonumentas in Mexico, like W, X, Y and Z are erected to demand justice for the victims of gender violence and femicides in the country?" or something appropriate for these cases. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 01:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Would be great to see a DYK hook about this list on the Main page. I'm trying to learn more about the red bench in Guadalajara, but I'm not finding much by searching "Banca Roja". I'll assume this is not an official title, like the list's Notes section suggests, but I'm curious if you think there's enough coverage for a separate article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:56, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's enough content for them, even for the one thas was installed yesterday in Oaxaca City. As you might have seen with the WWF Roundabout, these are merged into the people's life and make them part of the city. I've even seen sources calling the Columbus Roundabout the WWF Roundabout. Once the Young Woman is installed, the roundabout will be readopted by the city, but the cultural impact is never removed. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 22:43, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Might you be willing to create a new stub with good sources for the red bench in Guadalajara? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:14, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll create drafts instead, so I don't have to worry if someone AFD them. It's less stressing for me as readers are not affected by incompleteness. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 02:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

This Is It (concert residency)
Hi @Tbhotch 172.116.32.239 (talk) 05:20, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Confused about this edit summary you wrote:
Hi, I became confused when you wrote down Long-term abuse/MariaJaydHicky in the edit summary, and it felt like you were saying it to me. I was only reverting unsourced resources from one of the sockpuppets and that was it. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 02:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I was referring to the blocked account, but several intermediate edits were conflicting the revert. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 03:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sort
Hi again! Do you have a moment to make sure the entries at Template:Centro, Guadalajara and Template:Public art in Guadalajara are sorted correctly? I'm not used to sorting names with 2 surnames, so I want to make sure the templates look good. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look at the Centro template. The public art template has a few more entries, if you're able to do the same. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I made these changes per your edits to Template:Centro, Guadalajara. Not sure if more edits are needed but thanks for your help here. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Food labeling in Mexico
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Interesting
So you told me that if I kept reverting that you would report me. I stopped reverting, however you went ahead and reported me anyway. Why? 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 (talk) 19:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Historic center of Mexico City
Bicitaxis in mexico city are not common at all, according to UVOtv the most common transportation is 45.2% buses, 24.7% personal car, 21.1% Metro, 12.7% walking, 4.8% Metrobús or Mexibús, 4.3% Taxi, 2.7% bike, 1.5% motorcycle, i see no reason to include bicitaxi as a common transportation method, there for i see no reason to keep this information upKaidros (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * please provide sources that are recent and prove your claims, source number 49 is 6 years old and never states them to be a common form of transport, source number 50 is an unavailable link and source 51 never states or support the claim that it is a common form of transportation, it actually refrences bicitaxis being almost eliminated and says there are trying to come back after many years of being on the decline—Kaidros (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * dont want to bother you any further but after EC of 2 days on Historic center of Mexico City is this edit okay with you to be made as a final version? i dont want to get into anymore problems so i want to know if thats okay before editing it after the EC.–Kaidros (talk) 04:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Mexico City Metro overpass collapse
You listed Mexico City Metro overpass collapse at Peer review a few months ago. Are you still interested in a peer review? Rublov (talk) 23:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 01:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Rublov (talk) 17:32, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Monumento a los Indios Verdes
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 01:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Indigenous people of Mexico.
i apologize for my unexplained edits but my changes were mainly to correctly state the numbers of the indigenous population going by the official | 2020 INEGI report. can i revert the reversion ?___2806:2F0:41A0:3860:6DB6:B234:8437:F278 (talk) 00:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, i will revert and explain my edits now and also for future edits.2806:2F0:41A0:3860:6DB6:B234:8437:F278 (talk) 00:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)