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 * Hello, Tbhotch! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place helpme on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking [[Image:Signature icon.png]] or using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! fetchcomms 04:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Exernal links
In Jnuary you removed a link I'd added to Deep Space Homer, because "it seemed inappropriate for an encyclopedia".

However, the guideline you pointed to, External links, is clear that "This guideline concerns external links that are not citations to sources supporting article content"

Since the link you removed was a citation to a source supporting the article content, it looks like you made a mistake.

This is unfortunate, because removing the citation has allowed the inclusion of incorrect content.

The article in question now claims that Deep Space Homer originated the idiom, rather than (as the reference showed) being the proximate source.

I'm not going to rewrite the article. Since you did the damage, I invite you to correct it.
 * ❌ Perhaps WP:EL is not the best guideline (you received a generic warn), but in this case your addition was not an external link, it was added as reference. Please refer to WP:IRS for further information why knowyourmeme.com is not reliable. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  23:53, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

The drop of water which made the vase overflow
Axel, this editor is really trying my patience. First he does this. And now he claims that I have lowered Wikipedia's quality across the board. He questions the GAs I have worked on simply because not even Diana Ross or Jennifer Lopez's main articles are GA's . This is the limit. I have had enough. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:35, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Look at what he did most recently. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 04:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!
— ΛΧΣ  21  04:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't have internet, and in the computer I'm writing this is really slow. When I have a better connection, I'll reply you. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  00:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Heard B's new two-track snippet?
Did you? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 04:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't, I'll check. Also YGM. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  05:33, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Here. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 07:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks and Hello
Hey there, thanks for reverting that weird cat that got added to my talk page ;) . And also I wanted to say Hello, since I ran into you a couple of times using Huggle to battle vandalism. Keep up the good work!  Site thief  ~talk to me~ 22:33, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Laura Pausini
veo que habla el español, por lo tanto le escribire en español. ¿Que tienes en contra de Laura Pausini? por que quieres borrar las Páginas? por que borro de la página de Laura Pausini el artículo destacado? a ti te gustaría que borrara los artículos destacados sobre Béyonce ? no cierto, la página de Laura Pausini es excepcional, tiene todos los enlaces necesarios y Ortográficos, por que lo borra?

Hahc21
Hello, do you happen to have Hahc21's email address. I really need to talk to him regarding WP:GA as he has left unexpectedly. If you do, it would be great to email me it through my talk page toolbox.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 23:55, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Maria
You'll have to give me a bit more of an explanation on the latest one you have reported. I don't see a reason to disagree, but I'm not seeing it as confirmed to the level I need to block, either.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

RE: Kevin Harvick edit war
Hi TBHotch. Just a 'heads up' I went ahead and alerted the Administrator noticeboard about the IP user who persists in adding the subjective info to the Harvick article. Requested a block too. Not sure if I did it correctly (first timer at that) so if you want to double-check that would be awesome. The IP clearly seems to have a pattern of misbehavior and needs schooled IMHO. Thanks and have a great Wiki kind of day! Sector001 (talk) 03:22, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Invitación
Hola, Tbhotch. Probablemente eres de los usuarios que prefieren mantenerse neutrales en todas o las mayorías de las discusiones. Eso es bueno, pero vengo aquí porque necesito tu opinión/participación en esta discusión: al final de la página. Realmente es un caso especial, ya que este tema ha sido abierto copiosamente y, es una contrapropuesta para cerrar este menester de una vez por toda. Si tienes el tiempo y dispocisión, claro, tampoco quiero que te sientas obligado. Estaré cerrando la discusión de aquí a unos dos-tres día. Saludos cordiales, Chrishonduras (talk) 03:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Editing "Martin Drolling" article
Hello Tbhotch. This is my first time using the "Talk" page so I am apologizing in advance if I made a mistake. Thank you for your messages. Obviously, I am quite new at editing a Wikipedia article. I did not see your first message regarding the use of the "Sandbox" tool for practice. I shall remember to use it next time. In response to your second message, I was trying to fix the editing mistakes I made. I did not know that editing a link to a graphic/image will cause the link to break and the image to disappear. I did not realize that my attempts to fix my mistakes were seen as "disruptive editing" or "vandalism." There was no harm intended and apologies for the clumsiness. Next time, I shall be more careful with my edits. Kind regards. --Intellochic (talk) 04:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Corin Tucker
Your change here may have been in error. I don't think the subject of the article has been in the military, so I'm going to undo that part of your edit. — rybec 05:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
— AARON &bull; TALK   16:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ca you reply?? — AARON  &bull; TALK   17:48, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The person this talk page "belongs to" is in school. They may have been unlucky enough to have had to study, do homework, or even attend class on a weekend. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a message on my talk page. @  00:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
--I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a message on my talk page. @ 00:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem :) Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

FAC comment
Hi. Would you care to comment at my nomination here for the article Song of Innocence? A support, oppose, or any other comment would be appreciated. Dan56 (talk) 02:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try, I'm a little busy right now. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

"Run"
I have sourced every performance of "Run" apart from the Art on Ice tour this year. 2 days left before we can't nominate for DYK. — AARON &bull; TALK   16:41, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you got either of the booklets? — AARON  &bull; TALK   23:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Coldplay page
Hello, Tbhotch, thanks for your work on the Coldplay page! Because of that, I am sending you the following invite:

Re: DYK question
I would recommend you submit your intended DYK nomination today. There is a good chance that no one will look at the nomination for several days, providing you with several additional days to work on expansion. Even after an initial review, nominations with fixable issues (insufficient expansion is clearly a fixable issue as long as additional published information about the article subject exists) are almost always given a week or more for needed corrections. The normal practice being that nominations with problems are not rejected as long as reasonable progress is being made to correct the problems.

In the future you might want to consider working in a user subpage. This will allow you to work without worrying about completing your work in five days. When the new article is ready to be moved into the article namespace you can either copy the new article into place (this option is only usable if you are the only person who worked on the expansion) or by requesting a history merge of the new article with the existing. --Allen3 talk 21:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Greatest Hits: Chapter One
Hi there. I posted a discussion starter on the talk page of Greatest Hits: Chapter One (Kelly Clarkson album). Could you swing by and provide an insight on it? Thanks. Chihciboy (talk) 06:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject U2 invitation
Hello! This message is to inform you that WikiProject U2 needs your input! Please, join this discussion on this talk page!

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American Life
Hi Tbhotch. I have collaborated with for the above article here in the sandbox. Since you had nominated the article previously, I thought its fair to notify you and ask for your concerns and suggestions regarding the article. Please do so, Thanks. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 06:27, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll check it when I have more time. Thanks for the notification. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  22:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposing a revision for the "Members" section of the MPAA article
Hi Tbhotch, Thanks again for your help with removing the unsourced edits on the Motion Picture Association of America article, and for your guidance about COI issues on my talk. I've been working on improving the "Members" section of the MPAA article, trying to be as neutral as possible, and have posted my proposed revisions over at Talk:MPAA. If you have time, could you pop over and take a look and, if the revisions look acceptable, move them over into the article? Thanks so much! MPAA Kyle (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI
. Drmies (talk) 20:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Notice
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Impersonation of Tbhotch. Thank you.  Automatic Strikeout  ( T •  C  •  Sign AAPT ) 21:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

The Fame Monster
May I ask where the consensus is? I've looked through the archives and see arguing that really didn't reach a conclusion. I know a couple of months ago, The Fame Monster was not listed under the discography section. A link would be ideal. Thanks. AlexB531 (talk) 01:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Umm, yes on a few occasions, the last time I looked at the page, The Fame monster was not listed there, so I must have visited the page on one of the revisions I linked to. I did in fact do a talk page archive search of "The Fame Monster" to find the consensus discussion in question, I missed it in the many different talk page discussions that came up in the results, so calling my effort to search "not very well" is a little ridiculous. I don't understand why you felt the need to have an attitude with me when I just asked you a simple question of clarification, not everyone has been on Wikipedia as long as you have and I think you forget that it's hard to pinpoint a consensus discussion (that you do not even know about for that matter) from over two years ago. That notice on the page isn't even there anymore, so I don't see how that was relevant to link to. AlexB531 (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Requests for Comment: Proposal for rewording WP:NSONG
Hi, an RfC has begun which proposes rewording WP:NSONG. As you participated in a related discussion, I invite you to join the RfC conversation. Regards,  Gong   show  05:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Run (Snow Patrol song)
Hello! Your submission of Run (Snow Patrol song) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Rise against
Can you watch the rise against articles, a user named Geragrrt keeps removing sourced genres and adding post-hardcore without sources, he did once but allmusic tags are unreliable, only reviews by them are.

Stgw (talk) 18:01, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Random user 1085
If you wish to have their socks (IPs or users) blocked on sight, locate admins who dealt with this user, like myself, and just post on their talk. I have set Special:AbuseFilter/465 and can email you the code (it is rather simple). The filter worked, but then I became too lazy to tweak and monitor it. The filter currently targets only some IP ranges, no registered users. Materialscientist (talk) 05:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The filter is very primitive in selecting what changes should be stopped, and thus largely relies on our knowledge of his IP ranges. It stops the edit and reports the IP to AIV after one edit. It worked first (back in May 2012, it is still active), but then Random user 1085 figured out that he should register accounts. It will be trickier to filter accounts without causing collateral damage (no, filters can't see IPs of accounts). I'll think about coding. Materialscientist (talk) 05:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikiproject Leona Lewis
I tried creating it again as it has been 7 months but when I clicked on the submit button it just showed me the old nomination :-(. I think she could do with one now. — AARON  &bull; TALK   09:53, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

dangerous album
hi,,i was wondering if we could put a reference to "Dangerous 25" Michael Jackson on the Dangerous album page, there is a facebook page currently up that says dangerous 25,,,,,,,,,,,and as you know there have already been, Thriller 25 and Bad 25,,,,,thanks,,,,,,--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Note on my page
Not sure why you put this up: Any editor in GOCE would agree with me. --Aichik (talk) 23:50, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Run (Snow Patrol song)
Hello! Your submission of Run (Snow Patrol song) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  17:42, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Response to your comments on the Beyoncé talk page
Look, it's not my intention to out anybody for any problems they might have outside of Wikipedia. I actually think you're pretty gifted as an editor but that paragraph attacking me ("you cannot work with others and cannot collaborate as it should be desired"), after your note on my talk page for something that GOCE would also agree with me on (you never got back about that), and telling me that I haven't edited enough is absurd and, gets personal. Is it a contest? I've been on here 2 years longer than you, who cares? And as far as what I don't do right, stick to specific issues, make sure they haven't yet been addressed, don't just make some blanket statement about my style. I'll have you know, "the attacked" defend themselves quite well, you see it on-screen, you don't need to do it for them. I know you're all friends, but you really have to make some room in your head for others. It's Wikipedia: Anyone theoretically should be able to make constructive edits. --Aichik (talk) 00:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Axel, do I have to tell you something? o.O Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 03:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

84th Academy Awawrds Featured List Candidate
Hi, it's me Birdienest81. I have made substantial changes and revision to the 84th Academy Awards article. I was wondering that how do you nominate it to become a featured article? I already did the peer review. I also studied the 1st Academy Awards and 82nd Academy Awards lists and based the style on those two list. If you have any suggestions, contact me.

Birdienest81 (talk) 20:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I just activated the nomination for the 84th Oscars. Birdienest81 (talk) 22:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

American Godzilla Redirect
I am truly sorry if my edit redirecting American Godzilla and its talk page to Zilla (which both are about the exact same topic, which makes the American Godzilla page an unecessary clone) seemed unproductive, but many people agree to wanting that page redirected, more than the people who wanted the page renamed originally. It wouldn't harm anyone, and if you read the previously mentioned talk page, you can see they want the page redirected. Please, do respond as soon as possible, and allow the page to be renamed. Thank you very much. 493Titanollante (talk) 04:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I read your "Level 2 warning", and I do not understand why it was reverted. If it had copyrighted material, should that not mean that the American Godzilla page where I got the content from contains copyright? If that is so, it is not my fault in any way. In that case, the "copyrighted content" can always be removed and not nonsensically reverted. Please, do clarify these strange and nonsensical automated reverts as soon as possible. 493Titanollante (talk) 04:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Requested move
The American Godzilla's talk page has people supporting it to be moved back to Zilla, as it is shown in two sections, one called Needs to be moved back to Zilla and another called Two Pages. It isn't my fault that people want it to be moved back. 493Titanollante (talk) 04:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Comics Books Series
Is the two IDW My Little Pony comic books series for children?184.20.209.241 (talk) 18:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Oscar History Book
Hi Tbhotch,

I actually have a book called Inside Oscar: The Unofficial History of the Academy Awards which although is not endorsed by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences itself, is a very exhaustive look behind the Oscars including the pre-Oscar movie season, the nominations and campaign buildup, behind the scenes production work, the actual Oscar ceremony (including presenters and performers), and the aftermath. It was written by Damien Bona. I could use the information as a source for several Academy Awards articles.

BTW, could you endorse my 84th Academy Awards for Featured List soon?Birdienest81 (talk) 02:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Help! (IP from Guatemala related)
I need help dealing with the IPs from Guatemala that are still linking dates to Latin album pages and changing track lengths. The first IPs are under a range block for six months, but the IPs are somehow block evading are still disrupting. The first I reported the block evasion, it resulted in a different IP range block for three days, but the activity has resumed upon the expiration of the block. While I've reported again at ANI, it's tiring reverting all the mess the IP has made and it doesn't help s/he ignores all the warnings previously given to him/her. A part of me thinks that the IPs don't speak English, but that doesn't excuse the block evasions. Sorry to bother you, but it's irritating me to no end, especially when s/he does something to change the IP address. Erick (talk) 06:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The most common pages the edits are the Enrique Iglesias, Ricky Martin, Luis Miguel, and Juanes album and song pages. I think lost my temper last night and that has never happened to me before in Wikipedia. The IPs keep changing so it gets hard to keep up. Erick (talk) 19:33, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. For the IP range 190.111.10.32/27: First case, 2nd case, First block evasion case. Erick (talk) 19:56, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I knew I could count on you. :) I forgot to mention that I also have an open ANI for the IPs right now but nobody has responded to it yet. Erick (talk) 20:14, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * He's back! 190.106.222.21 and 190.106.222.44 Erick (talk) 02:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh I didn't see it. When I went to her page, I just hit "New section" and didn't see yours. My bad. Well anywho, she responded and said she's going take off of it as you said. Thanks! Erick (talk) 02:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow, you've a very blinged out user page! Now what was I...
...Oh, yeah, I've a suggestion/request. Awhile back I preserved a skeletal fragment of what had been a poorly written article that had usurped a name redirect page. It's not really within an area of strong interest or expertise for me but I'd hate to see it die without someone skilled giving it a moment of consideration. The article is Hoshen (Israeli LGBT Organization). Seems relevant enough to warrant a place within Wikipedia's robust GLBT database. Thought it might be of interest to you or, if not, that you might know someone to pass it on to. --Kevjonesin (talk) 22:14, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Indicud
Hey there, I saw you recently graded the article Indicud a B. I noticed you have experience with GAs and as the top contributor of the page, I was wondering what advice you could give me on anything I would need to do to the article, before nominating the article for good article status. Is there anything that jumps out to you that needs cleaning up on the page that I should address? I do not plan on nominating it for awhile at least, but the information would be helpful, you can get back to me whenever you have the chance.  STATic  message me!  00:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I was planning to wait a couple months before nominating it to give it time to sit and more information to become available. All those issues you pointed out seem to have already been resolved, especially about unsourced info as I like to pride myself on always making sure WP:V is followed in Wikipedia. I was more concerned with possible MOS or other things I might be missing, then things such as references, which I do not think there are any bare ones left in the article.  STATic  message me!  01:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well thanks for taking time to give me a few pointers, hopefully in a couple months it'll pass GA review. Cheers,  STATic  message me!  05:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

84th Oscars
I fixed what you commented about the 84th Academy Awards references. Please see my comments though here.Birdienest81 (talk) 02:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Opinion
Could you opine on this matter? Regards &mdash; Robin   (talk)  14:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry
I'm so sorry about this. I wasn't sure about that IP, but shouldn't have doubted you either. I just filled in the refs they provided, but should have been more thorough about it. I'll look at the history, so I know what to look out for in the future. - JuneGloom  Talk  17:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Updates to "Film rating system" at MPAA
Hi Tbhotch, Thanks again for your help getting the Members section of the Motion Picture Association of America article updated. I've just posted another request for volunteer editor help over at Talk:MPAA, this one about the film ratings section of the article. Do you think you could pop over and take a look and, if this section looks okay, update the article? Thanks! MPAA Kyle (talk) 19:37, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey
How do you like the pics? — AARON &bull; TALK   00:32, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * DO you like the pictures that I have uploaded of Leona? I saw you added one that I uploaded to "Better in Time". — AARON  &bull; TALK   00:49, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-). Yeah, I have some more too. — AARON  &bull; TALK   01:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Brandy Norwood
According to IMDB, she is credited with her full name and stage name over the years, including recent ones. "Brandy Norwood" was used in 1997 and is still used this year. I can't make her disambiguated by parenthesis since "Norwood" is available and possible as a natural disambiguation. Also, the surname "Norwood" is added fairly often, so I cannot propose it as you please. --George Ho (talk) 01:56, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank You!
You just saved my user page from that vandal, Thank You! (I already reported him to the administrator intervention section.) The Grand Cenobite (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please excuse the mistake I made in reverting my talk page, when I was reverting the vandals warning, I reverted yours by accident :P Thanks for clicking undo! The Grand Cenobite (talk) 22:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

MCGEHEE
You do know I ope that McGehee School does not "Sheild their girls from blacks, jews, etc. we actually brring our girls twards them and make them notice they are no different from us so can you please change it back or delete it because it is not true and whoever you are no matter what race I know there is a good person in you and that doesn't show it that is acctually very mean. So I would apolgize like you told me to do and delete it. McGehee School is a great school and you are noot making anyone think it is funny, nice, cool, or whatever if you think it is one of those then you need to have a word with god or read the tora or bible again and then change you mind!

WikiProject Leona Lewis
Can you help me with the assessment, alerts etc, the red links, please. — AARON &bull; TALK   23:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure. It's going to take some minutes. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  23:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — AARON  &bull; TALK   23:54, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's al done, excepting a red link that needs to be created by a bot. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  01:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know lol — <font color ="RED" face= "Verdana">AARON  &bull; TALK   12:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Outta My Head (Leona Lewis song)
Please comment. — <font color ="RED" face= "Verdana">AARON &bull; TALK   12:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Musical Genres
I saw you gave User:Tombowell097 a warning for changing musical genres. He recently changed, Bono's infobox adding R&B, as I know the fact that an artist had recorded 2 or 3 songs in a different genre doesn't mean that he represents the genre. Can I undo the edit by this User??Thanks and Cheers! <span style="font-family:'Domestic Manners',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC) Si quieres puedes responder en español, creo que los dos nos entenderemos mejor. salU2 <span style="font-family:'Domestic Manners',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:45, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

What?
I like how on my talk page, I just noticed you told me not to add poorly referenced material to a "living persons" page, and then said "such as I did on the Michael Jackson page"..... This was 1/2013.... I'll let you figure out what is wrong with that nice suggestion you gave me.Zdawg1029 (talk) 03:10, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Last time I checked, there was 4 big news entities in the United States; NBC News, ABC News, CNN & FOX News. FOX News, a new agency that has been cited countless times on this website, ran the story about her being Michael Jackson's half-sister. You are holding the "burden of proof" to unrealistic measures. There are thousands of people's pages on Wikipedia with their children being listed. Did Wikipedia do a DNA test on every single one of these children listed on the website? Because according to you, that is the only proof good enough for the standards of Wikipedia, or at least the only proof good enough for Michael Jackson's page. And yeah, the fact that Katherine Jackson wrote about Joh' Vonnie in her book is beyond enough evidence, at least it would be in everyone's eyes but you I guess, but it is beyond enough evidence of this woman's relation to this family. Oh not to mention the fact there are red carpet pictures of her with Joe Jackson. So I guess I will run all over Wikipedia and make sure there was a DNA test run to verify every child actually belongs to whoever that page is about, because after all, that is the standard of evidence you are holding this to. You have to be one of the most stubborn, blind people I have ever run into on Wikipedia. And by the way, I have seen People magazine cited on this website several times as well, so I'm not sure what your point is there. I am aware Wikipedia is not a gossip page, but this is not gossip, this is a fact backed by the very people in the family, you're the only one that is blind to this. I think this is just about you wanting to be "right" rather then putting the truth. And you're right, it should be listed on all 9 siblings Wiki pages, because she is a half-sister to all 9 siblings. Everyone in the world see's this but you. Now excuse me while I verify if all these DNA tests were run by Wikipedia.Zdawg1029 (talk) 01:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Updating MPAA "History" section
Hi Tbhotch, Just wanted to let you know that I'm continuing to work on drafting new sections for the MPAA article that you previously helped with. I've recently posted a new draft of the "History" section over at Talk:MPAA, but it doesn't look as if anyone has had a chance to look at it yet. I'm especially concerned about getting this section updated, since (as I mentioned on the MPAA talk page before) the version in the current article contains quite a bit of plagiarism. If you have a chance to go take a look and provide feedback, I'd certainly appreciate it. Thanks! MPAA Kyle (talk) 22:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey Tbhotch, Thanks so much for taking a look at the updates I proposed to the "History" section for the MPAA article. I've now replied to you and Betty Logan over at Talk:MPAA. Thanks! MPAA Kyle (talk) 16:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Tbhotch, Just wanted to check in with you and see if you've had a chance to take a look my reply to the comments from you and Betty Logan regarding the MPAA "History" section. I really appreciate your help on this! MPAA Kyle (talk) 17:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Betty already posted it. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  02:47, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Glassheart Tour
Please can you explain your comments "consistency is necessary"? Right now I see that the concert page style guide according to WP:CONCERT does not have a style that concert tours are supposed to follow. How is reverting a WP:ACCESS (which is also part of the manual of style) change (which even if you disagree with the placement of dates, instead of removing the HTML classes you could have just reordered the table). How is this an effective way to edit when editors are outright reverting a change that helps visually impaired editors and those who use screen readers view a page more effectively? The HTML classes i.e. !scope="row" and !scope="col" provide Data granularity. You talk of creating a standard... how can a standard be created if editors are not WP:BOLD in their edits trying to establish a more effective way to standardise pages. The choice of including the city first is part of readability in the same way that in WP:DISCOGSTYLE the most accessible format was to have the song name before dates. The decision to include the same principle at Glassheart Tour is not detrimental to an able editor's understanding of the page but the removal of the HTML classing is detrimental to how a a screen reader reads the page. At the very least editors should have left this in place even if the ordering of the table was disputed. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  19:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You completely misunderstand... Accessibility stretches to people beyond colorblindness. !scope="row" and !scope="col" has nothing to do with colorblind people. They make things bold because that's the embedded HTML classes that wikipedia is built on... their purpose is that when read by screen reader technology they tell the reader to emphasise the first column as the identification of a new row. The idea is the screen reader reads the column titles with emphasis e.g. "COUNTRY", then each row reads the first entry with emphasis. At the very least these formattings should have been left even if people disagree with the order of the tables. Why do you think tables in single and album articles nearly all now follow access guidelines and use the scope markup? Many thousands of GAs use the scope mark-up. As the project does not have a style guide its extremely difficult for someone to turn around and fail an article claiming that it doesn't follow a set standard. Different clusters of editors will layout the concert pages in different ways e.g. section titles and content. What's telling here is that editors are reverting based on an ideal that other articles don't use the markup when the mark-up itself is part of the manual of style and its generally accepted that more often than not the mark-up is a useful change. It does little to harm yours or my visual/understanding of the article but does a lot to help those who use technology that reads the page for them. The bolding can be removed as seen at Trouble (Leona Lewis song) where "plainrowheaders" is used in the HTML class. This edit was not about the visual appearance, its physically the actual HTML mark-up!!! &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  19:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:CONCERT is project, WP:ACCESS is part of a manual of style. I think its silly that I being asked to gain consensus for something which is already in the Manual of Style. MOS overrides projects. I'm disappointed that you haven't presented a coherent argument for not even the basic HTML classes should be applied. (btw dont worry this isn't personal. I still think you're a cool editor) &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  20:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Removal of my external links
Hi Tb,

How is adding a link to an artist's lyrics not appropriate for a page which directly shows their discography and list of all of their song titles? How does that not add something good to the page?

--Blogamerica123 (talk) 19:57, 19 May 2013 (UTC)Blogamerica123

84th Oscar FL promotion
Hi Tb,

Great news, the 84th Academy Awards was promoted to featured list. Thank you for your help. Now, how do I change on the talk page that it is now a featured list?

Oh, and tomorrow is my birthday!
 * -Birdienest81 (talk) 18:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

2010 Oscars fix up
Hi Tb,

Thanks for fixing the talk page for the 2012 Oscars. I'm currently fixing the references list for the 2010 Oscars so that there is no overlinks.
 * -Birdienest81 (talk) 16:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Till The World Ends
Hi there,

The song was featured on the Paper planes and Play ground video. I bought Elli Goulding's Limited Edition album for the UK and it came with the video and I heard the song... seriously... at least you could ask me.

Have a good day though :) I'm a Britney fan

Help with "Anti-piracy efforts" at MPAA
Hey Tbhotch, Thanks for your previous help with the MPAA article. I've just put up another section that I'd like to propose over at Talk:MPAA, this time regarding the "Anti-piracy efforts" and "Controversies and criticisms" sections. If you have time, do you think you could take a look at what I've proposed? Thanks! MPAA Kyle (talk) 16:11, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Why did you undid my contribution?
Hey Tbhotch, Why did you undid my contribution on Political Carrer of John C. Breckindge? What gives you the right to do that? I have a master in U.S. History and I know and have sources that John C. Breckindge was in the Tandolish College, so I will ask you to undo the great mistake that you did in my edition.

Revolver critic, etc.
From: WP:LINKSTOAVOID "Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)"

Critic is a recognized authority, published author and scholar at Harvard, Stanford, etc.

"Why don't you put in in text in place of creating accounts to apparently spam his work?"

My account is from 2012, don't be so quick to make conjecture. Liftmoduleinterface (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

"You are apparently promoting Scaruffi work using biased language"

That user is not me; you are mistaken.

Liftmoduleinterface (talk) 20:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

"There is no real reason to remove a link to include a less known music critic than Rolling Stone."

There are quite a few real reasons. There is already a review from the Rolling Stone, including their opinion twice is redundant and un-needed, and adding new critics increases the diversity of information presented within the article, allowing for users to read a less biased page.

"If you are not the IP user, please explain me the probability two different people in the world adding the same content, the same day, in a few hours. In my experience the probability of having two different persons, if we consider you haven't edited in seven months, is extremely low."

This is unabashed paranoia that is unfounded and without evidence, not to mention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal. As for the possibility of someone lurking more than editing and noticing that a page for the Beatles, one of the largest bands of all time, and not just any page, but what is considered one of their most popular albums as well... Doesn't seem very strange at all. Liftmoduleinterface (talk) 21:07, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Why are you calling my religious beliefs I posted to "Talk: Fart" Vandalism?
Well? 2602:306:C518:6C40:505A:5C79:DCDB:627E (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

link to main monsanto march
I am not going to edit war with you, but as per WP:BRD you should have brought this to talk. Not good. Jytdog (talk) 02:40, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Feedback
If you take a look at my contributions, you'll see reverts on template pages and then reverts of my reverts. Looking at previous versions it looks like there's already some vandalism-like stuff there (Sexy Reptila, for example), so I thought they were test pages and that I had made a mistake. What do you think? Thanks in advance! - Amaury (talk) 05:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ignore that. Another user reverted my reverts, so I contacted them instead. - Amaury (talk) 05:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

1remains Uploads
How come I followed the guidelines, placing the author's name and source and still my images are removed. I find it idiotic. If you're going to remove my images then please put an image for them since no one gives a damn about putting an image on them.

Thanks
Thanks for the notification about the Latin Grammy Award for Best Short Form Music Video list, I think it is correct as it is. Cheers.

Talk:The Golden Cage (2013 film)
Hey Tbhotch. Did you speedy close this RM? Clearly there is a disagreement between User:Bobrayner and others, so it is a contested move. My suggestion is for you to undo your close and let the request run the full seven days. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:25, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your revert. I see there are unfortunately two move discussions running in parallel. Ideally there would be a way to combine them, but I don't see how at present. EdJohnston (talk) 02:28, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Could you watch what you're doing?
Waving around exclamations like "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately" especially when the sources confirm what you're in opposition to. --86.40.198.33 (talk) 01:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Reversion at ANI
Hello,

Can you please explain why you reverted my comment? Thank you.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  01:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see it was a mistake. I have done the same thing myself. No problem, and thanks for your prompt response.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  02:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

AN/I Discussion
Notifying you because the IP didn't.

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - Amaury (talk) 02:08, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Wher(r)ity
Can you please confirm one way or another whether the assertion that you changed the spelling within quotations is indeed correct, as this diff seems to suggest. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: TheUltimateKoopa
I gather that based on your message to me, you reverted a change I did to User:TheUltimateKoopa?

I am TheUltimateKoopa. I'm not sure if you're able to compare IPs or anything, but if you can, then hopefully that proves it. Although having said that, we had a new router installed -- I don't know if our IP changed since then.

Dispute comment
Hi. Would you care to comment at this talk page regarding a silly spat over genre warring? It's silly, but it has been said that discussions can cure genre warrior's symptoms LOL. Dan56 (talk) 06:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Everything Tastes Better with Bacon
Hi there, Tbhotch, I hope you're doing well! :)

You previously participated in an FAC for Everything Tastes Better with Bacon.

It's subsequently had additional copy-editing through Guild of Copy Editors and a once-over by FA Writer Tim Riley.

I've nominated it for consideration a 2nd time at Featured article candidates/Everything Tastes Better with Bacon/archive2.

Your input would be appreciated, at Featured article candidates/Everything Tastes Better with Bacon/archive2.

Thank you for your time, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 19:17, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Reverting
Fair enough, it's very subjective to call that terrible song the worst song in the world. --24.67.49.175 (talk) 06:21, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Fuck help
Thanks for your help at Fuck (film), much appreciated, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

RE Talk:Thriller (album)
Why are you mentioning me or making a reference to me on some Michael Jackson-related nonsense that I have/had nothing to do with?? If you have something to say to me, do it like a man and post on my talk page. Quis separabit? 18:21, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Everything Tastes Better with Bacon/archive2
I've responded to all of your points at Featured article candidates/Everything Tastes Better with Bacon/archive2, perhaps you can now reevaluate your position on whether the article should be promoted to FA?
 * Featured article candidates/Everything Tastes Better with Bacon/archive2

Thank you for your time, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you think you could have another look as far as your opinion with regard to possible FA promotion? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:16, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I forgot about this. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:19, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! Mind if we move the addressed comments to the talk page? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * At all, feel free to move them. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you! &mdash; Cirt (talk) 03:34, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

My first edit
I edited a post on medicinal uses for garlic and added that in the middle ages it was used to ward off vampires, this is entirely accurate. Yet you blocked it, twice in fact.

Grace Park
Does not bother me either way, but I found your comment on your last edit amusing. You do know that children born in the United States are American citizens (unless they are born to diplomats) even if the parents are not citizens, right? And she can qualify as a dual-citizen for both Canada and the US. Like I said, does not affect me one way or another: I just have her article on my watchlist because I think she's, and I sure don't know the WP rules on this point. Thanks! Raul17 (talk) 02:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I knew at least one user would complain about some revert I made to the . To be frank, I don't know if their edits are valid or correct. I reverted them as this person has been adding incorrect and/or non-releated/trivially-releated categories and templates to multiple articles, in this case s/he added Hawaii Five-O and other cats. If you believe their edits were correct, revert me. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:13, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I will not revert because I am not familiar with WP rules in this case. I am sure that a senior editor will make a correction if there is one to be made. Or someone with a good source. Thanks! Raul17 (talk) 03:57, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply
Hello, I'm Fantastische. I'd just removed the content which you restored because I couldn't understand the reason why We Can't Stop was nominated for deletion. But after seeing your message on my talk page, I've checked the article for deletion, and seen that you said : "Fails WP:NSONGS. I'm not going to deny the song will become notable after it is released as all Cyrus' previous songs, but this song was revealed today 18 May and it will be released on 11 June. Unless this song passes WP:GNG the next three weeks (and I'm not refering to all probable sources that will say '"We Can't Stop" will be Cyrus next single", or Tweets published by her about the song), is clearly a non-notable article.". But now it was released as Cyrus's official single (and on June 3, not 11), how could this page become deleted and automatically redirected to Miley Cyrus. At the moment, We Can't Stop is created but by someone else, and it's not informative like I'd written. Sorry if I've done something wrong with Wiki rules, because of the limitation of my English. Thank you.

Thanks for saving me! (2016-06-06)
Just noticed your timely revert of 'deletion' of my talk page!!! How did you spot that this had happened? Thx again; all is not lost (yet!). Regards --JW-somewhere (talk) 10:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Olmec Page
Hello Tbhotch,

I'm responding to your message and request to post on your talk page.

As a Native American, I respect and value all your contributions to Wikipedia. I just want to add the photo I took at the Tuxteco Regional Museum Santiago Tuxtla, Veracruz to the Olmec site. It is published on the commons and free for anyone to see. How do we get the image up there following all of your rules? I just would like to add the authentic Olmec head photo to the Olmec site where it belongs. This head is the most phenomenal, I can tell because everyone is making such a fuss over it. Here is a version of the photo I took without the text - if the text was bothering you:



If you can add it to the Olmec page for me - following all your rules, I would appreciate it. That would certainly be better than battling with you forever - since you obviously spend 99% of your time on Wikipedia.

Good luck in school & thank you for your Native American contributions.

peace, mcguiregreen Mcguiregreen (talk) 19:03, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Beyoncé Knowles FAC
Hello! I noticed you have some experience with FA's (I have none) and was wondering what you thought about putting Beyoncé Knowles up for nomination, considering that we have extensively copyedited over the last few months and it seems to be in good shape. Thanks! —JennKR | ☎ 18:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Let me check. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  23:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

2009 Oscars Featured List Candidate
Hi, TB,

I've nominated the 81st Academy Awards for featured list status. I did some research online and found tons of information. I also retooled the list so that it looks like the ones we did for 2010 and 2012. If you have any suggestions place it at the Featured list nomination page for the list.
 * -Birdienest81 (talk) 21:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  23:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

84.138.12.104, et al.
Sorry about removing the AIV report, I thought it was just on The 20/20 Experience which I saw got protected. Anyways, IP blocks aren't going to work since the user is on a dynamic range, so protection is really the only option. I'll review the other pages you posted on WP:RFPP in a minute. Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I was referring I didn't check the reason for remove them all, I was about to leave and I saw these IPs had already been removed. Thank you anyway. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  23:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Your signature
Hello,

I feel your signature is a bit too long (256 characters), and I would ask you to cut it down if possible. For example you could remove the <tt>Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. </tt> part, as it shouldn't be in your signature anyway. See WP:CUSTOMSIG for more information. Regards. → Aza Toth 13:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Ani dicussion regarding IP 75.114.222.69
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello
I don't know the issue is, but I am not trying to throw my point of view around. Bob Marley is widely regarded as a legend. Again, it's not specifically my opinion, it is one largely agreed upon. <font color="#91A3B0">Latin <font color="#838996">Wolf  (talk)  03:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thanks for informing me. <font color="#91A3B0">Latin <font color="#838996">Wolf  (talk)  03:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

2009 Oscars
Hi, Tb!

I read your suggestions and have obliged.
 * -Birdienest81 (talk) 03:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I also fixed the rationale and licensing for the poster
 * -Birdienest81 (talk) 05:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

TreCoolGuy
Remove what?

Fix what?

La jaula de oro
User:BDD already closed the RM at Talk:La jaula de oro on 5 June so as to move the film to The Golden Cage (2013 film). That leaves us with a second RM proposal at Talk:La jaula de oro (disambiguation) which you opened. If I'm reading this correctly your RM would probably be closed with no action, because the items discussed already seem to reside at the titles most people prefer. The all-lower-case name links to the film per the separate now-closed RM, and the all-upper-case version links to La Jaula de Oro (album). Do you think there is anything more to do here? If you are unhappy with BDD's close you could contact him. If I don't hear anything to the contrary I'm planning to close your RM with no action. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Robert Wadlow Talk
Thanks and OK for reverting my edit on the Robert Wadlow Talk page. Without going back far enough in the history, I had assumed someone else had vandalized the original entry. Now I realize it was like that to begin with. Alandeus (talk) 07:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

?
How can you say that my editions are disruptive?! --Raúl Romero (talk) 20:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

WHAT?
IT WAS AN ERROR i made that page in fact. so i didint want to delete it but i was thinking that i was putting that in the album page! --Raúl Romero (talk) 22:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

*Sigh*
Guess what? The IP editor from Guatemala is back. Case in in point, Nunca Voy a Olvidarte. Erick (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Diannaa did. Worst part was that the IP was doing this while I was in middle of class so I had to ask someone revert the IPs edit while I was gone. Well that's taken of, for now. Erick (talk) 07:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Airdrieonians F.C.
As a result of the page move from Airdrie United F.C. to Airdrieonians F.C. most of the links are hitting the wrong target as most links to Airdrionians should actually link to Airdrieonians F.C. (1878). Personally didn't think this was a good move and has left a real mess. I want to fix this but is there a tool that finds all the links and gives you an option to change without having to go through a whole page to find the link yourself.<font color="Maroon">Blethering <font color="Blue">Scot  19:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Stop impulsively adding unsourced tag
I'm adding the sources, but you are adding unsourced tags. You have to specify which ones are unsourced, or this is vandalism on your part by impulsively and without specifying which sentence are unsourced. I think your right as administrator should be revoked over this unsourced template abuse. 08:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Sofia Climate
Why do you keep reverting to the old outdated content? The climate data that I am putting are more actual, precise and up-to-date. And why are you stating that it is unsourced? It is sourced. Please check more carefully.

Book citations
I have a book about the Oscars that I would like to cite. How can I cite multiple pages from one souce like you did for the 1st Academy Awards?Birdienest81 (talk) 20:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

GAR on I Believe in You
I Believe in You (Kylie Minogue song), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Walden Schmidt
It was a valid image 5 hours ago, but it appears to have been deleted. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 23:41, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Nowiki tags
Hey TBhotch. If you're out on R.C. patrol, and happen to see random nowiki tags as part of edits (especially with wikilink edits ), they're probably a bug with VE, rather than vandalism. Thanks for cleaning them up, we're trying to catch as many as we can. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 21:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Revolver (album)
Why this is consensus and this is not? Also, do you had idea that WP:PDAB is being discussed at WT:D? Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  01:13, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Tbhotch, I believe my closing rationale was clear enough. Basically the only reason those opposing the Revolver move raised for why the move shouldn't take place is that the move would inconvenience readers (whoever they may be) going to Revolver (album) and finding themselves atRevolver (disambiguation), despite them most likely wanting the album by the Beatles. As I said in the closing statement, this reason doesn't make sense. If Revolver (album) redirects to Revolver (The Beatles album), as it does after this move, that rationale fails. If there was any other reason the move shouldn't take place, it wasn't mentioned during the discussion.
 * I see you (and a few other editors) are furious that the WP:PDAB was closed the way it was. "How can thirteen editors dictate policy?" "How is 7-5 consensus?" I do not need to answer those questions, and I don't need to answer the question you raised here. It is not my position to decide that I didn't like the way EdJohnston closed that other discussion and ignore it. And neither is it yours. While I'm hesitant to validate a sudden wave of move requests in accordance with WP:PDAB, you're going to need to do better if you want to stop them. Otherwise, your points will come across as thinly veiled disgust toward the VP closure. If the WP:PDAB is eventually reversed, only then I might reconsider. In the meantime, I'm not acting on your and B2C's indignation. --  tariq abjotu  02:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)