User talk:Tenebrae/Archive 5

thanks!
thanks for stopping by my page im also wondering as to the issue format of the Punisher (1987 series), which is HTMLed table, as compared to the other volumes of the Punisher titles which are just a list. Do you think we should also table them? something like to make the format uniformed? but then it would be hard to track down every writer/penciler of each volume's issue if we make them all tabled, so should we just make them (all the punisher volume titles) just a list? any thoughts about uniformity? Bloodpack 07:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Read the link. Many thanks. I think my edits are 150% on what they were.

Asgardian 04:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Jimmy Woo
I'm starting to wonder if Mr Woo deserves an article of his own. Aside from his background with the Yellow Claw, I think he's made a number of notable SHIELD appearances (including an LMD copy or two?) - and he's back again as a team member in the current Agents of Atlas, which seems to be meeting with a certain amount of critical approval. I think you probably know much more about the character's early history than I do, though - any opinion on the matter? Thanks! --Mrph 19:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * In reply - yeah, I think he's probably worth it. Offhand, we've got the Yellow Claw original stories, the Agents of Atlas, the Nick Fury vs. S.H.I.E.L.D. appearance, whichever tale it was that resurrected him after his death in that... and a bunch of appearances in Godzilla, to judge by his international hero profile. If Clay Quartermain qualifies for an article, I think Jimmy does too. He's not purely a SHIELD/Fury supporting character - and not purely a Yellow Claw character either - which probably adds to the case. --Mrph 12:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Doctor Strange
Hey dude it's there again. Brian Boru is awesome 13:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
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Thanks For Your Quick Response
Thanks for your quick response to my earlier comment. It's all good.

206.64.224.128 21:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Wonder Woman's 'vast' powers
The individual who keeps doing that now says it in other ways, but keeps saying the same stuff. He/she/it doesn't edit so frequently that three pop up within the same 24-hour period. It might be twice in one day. A day or two might pass in between, but good grief, this has been going on since last month. Anyway, that's why I pointed this out on the project talk page -- which is exactly where I first learned about this mess myself. Doczilla 21:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, what I'd really like to see some additional input on is a weird edit war going on in the Batman article. For four days, self-professed newcomer Nihilozero has done nothing but keep inserting a "Batman as villain" section into the article, often without logging in (by his own admission) which may make it hard to pin him on 3RR, plus he keeps tweaking it, but he refuses to back down no matter how many people hammer away at it. I got dragged into this after it had already started. I tried to put a detailed list of problems with his stuff, but that list really didn't faze him. Additional input would be appreciated. I'm going to un-watch Batman for the weekend because it's ridiculous for this to annoy me so much. Doczilla 06:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Killraven
Re your revert of my edit; A citation was requested and I provided it, but you removed it.

My reason for rearranging the pictures was that the bullets in the lists do not show up in my browser (screen res 1200x1600) when pictures appear on the left. I think the layout was more legible the way I had it.

Lastly, I don't think we even need both of the pictures - they don't add much to the article. -- StAkAr Karnak 12:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
hey thanks for taking my suggestions for the List of S.H.E.I.L.D. Members page. Also, just to let you know, i am going to be doing some work on it, not going to like recreate the whole page, but yea, mabey add some pictures and stuff.Phoenix741 19:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Comic Book Artist magazine
Are there subscriptions available for this magazine? If so, how much and how do I find them? A cursory Google search didn't turn up anything for me. --Psyphics Ψ Φ  17:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Psyphics Ψ Φ  18:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Sheena Rating
The page itself would probably be a start class, starting to lean towards B class, but I am rating it on the film's assessment. There is only a small paragraph talking about her in the film. If the Comic book WikiProject had assessments it would no doubt be a start class. But until their is more information about her in the film(s) then it should remain at stub for now. If you want to continue to add more information and change it to start eventually that's fine with me. This is just one of several more thousand articles that need to be assessed and just one of the several hundred I did in the last few days. But altogether the page does look good, keep up the good work. Nehrams2020 04:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

About the Barnstar
You are very welcome and believe me you do deserve it. Thank you for your kind words in return, although I can't take credit for creating that Barnstar. It already existed, all I did was give it to you; it seemed to be the most appropriate one. :-) Stephen Day 02:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for contributing!
I've done a little bit of work on Military history of African Americans, and I kept thinking that it would be good to have a consolidated list of "the first officer ...", "the first admiral ...", etc. It's nice to have a place for it finally. Keep up the good work. - Jwillbur 17:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Spot images
I noticed the revision you made in DC Comics.

I agree that, in a perfect layout, the link box (I'm presuming that is the window you mentioned) would not interact with the text. In fact, since it functions to open the image page just like clicking on the image, it's redundant, unavoidable with the reduced size images, but redundant.

However, since it is unavoidable, and since the text wrap is dynamic with the screen resolution and font scale, your edit isn't quite that effective.

Examples from that article:


 * At 1240x1024 resolution and Medium text size on IE
 * Action Comics has a caption of 3 lines with "Shuster." coming under the link box.
 * New Gods  also has caption of 3 lines, but is flush with the box.
 * Green Lantern has a caption of 5 lines with the 3rd and 4th wrapping under the box.
 * Superman/Batman has a caption of 4 lines with the the 3rd wrapping.


 * At 1240x1024 resolution and Smallest text size on IE
 * Action Comics has a caption of 3 lines and is flush with the box.
 * New Gods  has caption of 3 lines and is flush with the box.
 * Green Lantern has a caption of 5 lines with the 3rd and 4th wrapping under the box.
 * Superman/Batman has a caption of 4 lines with the the 3rd wrapping.


 * At 1240x1024 resolution and Largest text size on IE
 * Action Comics has a caption of 5 lines with the 3 middle lines wrapping under the box the box.
 * New Gods  has caption of 5 lines and is flush with the box.
 * Green Lantern has a caption of 8 lines with 4 of them wrapping under the box.
 * Superman/Batman has a caption of 6 lines with the the 5th wrapping.

At this point, my preference would be to undo the edit you made and bring all the spot images based on full covers in to a consistent format. The link box is, to me, the lesser of the aesthetic and graphic design faux pas. — J Greb 23:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that the size can, and if proper should, weight an image and its importance. However, in this article the 4 covers (Action, New Gods, Green Lantern, and New Teen Titans) all have equal weight with respect to their respective sections. And each of those sections feel, at least to me, to be of equal weight in the over all article.


 * That being said, this may just be boiling down to a difference in taste and perception. And to be honest, given that the images alternate and have a fair space between them, it works well either way.


 * I had included the other 3 captions in the examples not to suggest you had edited them, but to round out the examples. Beyond that I think we maybe miss-communication about the "window".
 * What I'm seeing with IE are the following things related to the spot image:
 * The image itself.
 * The caption. (''Action Comics … Joe Shuster.)
 * The "link box" or "enlarge" icon.
 * And the frame around those 3 elements.


 * Am I missing something that you're seeing in your browser? — J Greb 00:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Both to leaving the Action image as you've set it, and that it's nice to discuss the situation as opposed to shout.


 * It has been a pleasure, hopefully we'll see more of each other's edits. — J Greb 23:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

African-American firsts
Nice start, yeah, the article needs work, but this is a good way to begin the cleanup. I replied to you on the Talk page. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't know who the first was. I knew that Robinson wasn't the first ever, so I did a quick and dirty Google search and that name came up. Thanks for being open to modifying the article. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That PBS link doesn't work for me. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Fleet Walker, huh? That's funny. :) Great work.  User:Zoe|(talk) 18:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Digger (comics)
I like what you added to Digger (comics) it really improved the article. I'm wondering about your removal of the word "supernatural" from the page's opening though. Digger's profile on Marvel.com states "Has slightly superhuman strength, and green skin." This by itself isn't indicative of Digger being supernatural in a predominately science based superhuman universe. Since he originates as the host of a couple of supernatural horror series, I think its still a safe assumption to make that he is supernatural though.

I just thought it would only be fair of me to hear your side before proceding. :-)

On a final note, I noticed your kudo for my creation pf Digger (comics) in that page's history -- Thank You very much!!! Stephen Day 03:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Your reasoning seems fair to me. So, no mention of supernarural for now and Headstone P. Gravely, well, maybe in the future. :D


 * On a second note, I've posted a question about Digger's skin colour in Tower of Shadows on the Digger (comics) talk page. Since you were the one to write the Tower of Shadows article, I'm thinking maybe you might know the answer. Stephen Day 23:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the responce. Rueful laugh is right. :-) Stephen Day 23:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * One final note on this. I just added a section mentioning his skin colour. I figured I'd run it by you just to be sure its an accurate statement. Stephen Day 21:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Linkspam
Hi, I am an intern at Marvel. They asked me to go through wikipedia and add relevant links to their characters, books, films, writers and artists. One point of contention that I would like to make as far as reverting the writers/artists links goes is that the links to Marvel.com don't actually lead to anything for sale. It links to a list of books that they have worked on for Marvel and provides descriptions about the books. Marvel.com does not sell any of the books --- for that people would have to go to a real store or an internet one. I don't know if that changes anything but I thought it a point worth raising. Thanks -Sean- 15:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Innovation publishing
thanks for improving the article, but im also having trouble regarding its category:Innovaton publishing. how do you add the name of the company to the category lists? there are other titles innovation published and surely they need to have a category of the publication company (innovation),thanks! †B lo o d p ac k† 02:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * thanks for a very prompt reply, actually david campiti visited my country to conduct his comics creation seminar last october 14-15 (and i was there), maybe you can start an article about him. he hold 3 glasshouse graphics studios, 2 in brazil and 1 in my country, philippines =) †B lo o d p ac k†  02:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * lol, yes, whats your country? im from the philippines, btw, i really dont know how to add the innovation publishing category, can you do it for me pls? if youll notice, the Biff Thundersaur has a red category for it =/ †B lo o d p ac k†  02:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * later bro †B lo o d p ac k†  02:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

hey thanks.
when I start to find images for the other S.H.I.E.L.D. members I will remember what you told me. Also nice work adding the chart to the existing S.H.I.E.L.D. members. Great work.

and sry for not signing it beforePhoenix741 03:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay
Okay, I've blocked you for 96 hours, I think that takes you up until the end of the week. I'm going to raise this at the Admin's noticeboard because this is out of process and against current practise, but I'm ignoring all rules at the moment, and we'll see what happens from there. You may find a consensus rules the block can't stand, but I'm going to argue strongly on a couple of counts that we should consider the idea, namely in assuming good faith and also possible publicity concerns. Take it easy. Steve block Talk 19:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, the following has been brought to my attention: WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer. What I figure is that unless I hear different from you or the admin noticeboard, I will let the block stand until the end of the week, but then from there you need to have a look at this thing, which I hope will suit your needs and work for you.  I can't be around to block you all the time, I'm afraid, so hopefully this script will work out and be the solution.  Good luck. Steve block Talk 20:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Kitty Pryde
I thank you for telling me that. It was removed because it had no data in it; in reality I should've commented it out until it had been filled out, and I apologise for that error --JB Adder | Talk 06:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thor's "God Blast"
Actually sir, if you will check the history page for Thor, you will find that I only added that term to the superhero box once. I don't have any intentions of adding it again since I now agree that "force blasts", or something along that line, would be more appropriate there.--CrystalB4 15:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Vince Alascia
Thanks! The Social Security Death Index is a pretty cool tool. :) NawlinWiki 15:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Shield_Countess.jpg
Per WP:DRV, I've restored this. You need to look at the tags on it, the tag you selected still requires a detailed fairuse rationale to be included, so I've left the no rationale tag on it, if you don't resolve this it will of course be redeleted in due course. --pgk 21:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You asked:
 * Sorry for not responding during the two weeks, but I hadn't noticed the image was tagged on Nov. 6; how does one know when an image is tagged? Thanks!--Tenebrae 14:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I recommend selecting "[x] Watch this page" on the Special:Upload so that any images you submit will be added to your watchlist. — freak([ talk]) 02:56, Nov. 22, 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Richard and Mary Parker UToSM-1 headshots.jpg)
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Jimmy Woo
Hi, Sorry about that - I've been almost entirely away from Wikipedia for a few weeks due to Stuff. Should hopefully be back and active for a bit. Thanks for the Jimmy Woo article - I'll go take a look now... --Mrph 15:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Peer review
A request for a peer review of New Universe has been made at WikiProject Comics/Peer review/New Universe. I'd appreciate your comments on the article, hopefully it will kickstart the comics project's peer review process. To comment, please add a new section (using ) for your comments, in order to keep multiple responses legible. Steve block Talk 22:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

See AA Discussion
Asgardian 05:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Nick Fury's Howling Commandos revert
I can't say I'm happy about the revert, but it happens. I'm going to eventually post something on that article's talk page about my concerns. It will most likely be Wednesday as that is when I have some issues back from a friend and I'll have everything I need to make sure the points I make are accurate. Mostly it has to do with the fact that I really think this article's focus should be the series and not the team. That's a point for later though.

One last note -- thank you for your words about the article on Timmy the Timid Ghost. :-) Stephen Day 23:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow quick responce on your part. You wanted me to check out those three articles you created, I liked all three. I get a kick out of reading the history of the comic book medium. Stephen Day 00:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

OK I just posted my arguments. Now we can get this sorted out. :-) Stephen Day 02:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

re: Eric Devendorf
When you tagged the page for deletion, I notice that you used the standard afd tag. I assume that's how you discovered that the previous discussion existed. Next time, just retag the page with the afdx tag. The format for that tag is  2nd  (or 3rd or 4th ... if it's been repeatedly nominated). Follow the normal procedure but be sure to put a link to the prior discussion in the text of your nomination.

I've made the correction for you already. Please go back to the page and follow the link to the new AFD discussion to present your evidence for the nomination. My entry is only a procedural nomination. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 19:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

African-American modifier
The title should have been hyphenated; it was an oversight that it wasn't. According to the AP Stylebook and Strunk & White, a compound modifier is hyphenated, except for adverbs ending in "ly." Wikipedia policy is to follow those guides for grammar and spelling. --Tenebrae 04:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Then why don't you change move the article named African American to African-American while you're at it? &mdash; 04:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Because "African American" isn't modifying anything. The phrase "African-American man" uses the term as a compound modifier. No biggie. --Tenebrae 04:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see User talk:72.75.93.131 ... and it's not "creating a sockpuppet" if your ISP keeps switching your IP address at random. &mdash;72.75.105.165 08:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe it is if you're registered as User:Dennette but consciously go by anonymous IPs instead. --Tenebrae 15:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
Underway for Galactus (which way too long and cluttered with superfluous information). As for AA, everything is still there is a tidier form, right down to the mention of Andy's interests. The love interest could be succinctly dropped in, but not too much "tell the story". References - best left for the end, otherwise it reads like a mess.

Asgardian 09:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Admin thing
Have you e-mailed User:Asgardian about the request for administrative input? I can't see where Asgardian has been informed of it. Do User:GentlemanGhost and User:Grey Shadow know about it? I have no idea how they feel about Asgardian right now. For all I know, they may hate him or they may have decided he's making the effort, but they have both participated in those edit wars. I believe it was one of them who first brought the edit wars to my attention through a WikiProject Comics talk page. Doczilla 05:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm aware of it.  Grey Shadow | Talk  07:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As is obvious by now, I'm aware of it admin noticeboard entry, too. And yes, I was the one who put it the notice up at WP:CMC about the ongoing edit wars. --GentlemanGhost 00:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Eternals members
Thanks but it was just cut and paste. Does that count as a creation of an article??Brian Boru is awesome 00:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Martin Nodell
Just wanted to say "Well done!" after reading your edits to Martin Nodell. I'd done some early, brief work on that article, but your edits were outstanding! Konczewski 17:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack on Theplanetsaturn
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Argumentative accusations of "immaturity" and "unreasonable", etc. Dismissal of discussion as "huffy". Occurs at Talk:Jhonen VasquezTheplanetsaturn 02:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmmm Got time for someting a little bit different
You have any talents at putting together comic like graphics? The concept is to sort of parody barnstars as a 'wet diaper award' sort of thing to motivate people to work at better documentation trails when leaving the various types of In-your-face banner templates (Necessary evil for some admin stuff) like Clean, mergeto, merge, move, etc. where most of the time no one pays attention to the implicit directive in the template to document their justification in the talk, despite the link overtly given in the template. While a chide, also want to interject some fun in the slap on the face. Hence my first title was 'Wet noodle award', which isn't funny at all in a first draft, but does a pretty good job at getting out why I think this is a good idea. See: User talk:Fabartus/Wet noodle award example and tfd comments when I used it prematurely, and similar subheading on my talk @ (I'm about the archive most of the page so use the TOC to find). Thanks for your consideration in advance. I know squat about comics. // Fra nkB  03:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm flattered you asked. I'm afraid I'm not a graphics guy; I've gotten a couple of Barnstars (whatever that name means) but I couldn't draw anything on a computer screen to save my life. I can copy-paste existing stuff in Photoshop, but not design anything myself. Still, nice to be well-thought-of! --Tenebrae 04:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I was drawing a distinction between graphics skills and knowledge about. The former I can find easier than the later (My first born will do for openers), which isn't the same importance as perhaps one who knows what makes them tick, and can perhaps visualize and describe one or three ideas that seem to promise humor if implemented for others to draw up. But see the remarks Quiddity and I just exchanged on that talk page. I may be reinventing the wheel here. Right now, I'm heading to bed. // Fra nkB 04:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Theplanetsaturn & Tenebree
That last comment you mentioned seemed pretty actionable, to me, but it also seems like it was added by a different user, after which planetsaturn asked them to calm down, unless I'm missing something? If anybody's being a really consistent problem, especially if they do so without providing anything of substance, I'm always happy to help... it's not so clear cut, in this case, though. People are unfortunately almost bound to make off-color comments, in arguments -- if you can find a pattern of excessively severe comments, or if you can find an admin who draws the line different than I do, or if you can provide me with more serious diff evidence, you may get admin action. Either way, good luck. ;) Luna Santin 07:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you're looking at the wrong section. The dispute between myself and Tenebrae can be found primarily in the section titled "hardcover". I'd link it properly, but my skill in that area is poor. I'm sure Tenebrae can direct you more properly himself later.Theplanetsaturn 07:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I just noticed the bit Tenebrae was pointing you to on your talk page. You're right, that was not me who made that statement. As you suggest, I was the one trying to calm that user down during that unrelated discussion.Theplanetsaturn 07:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Left my feedback
Hello Tenebrae. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to comment on the Jhonen Vasquez article. It looks as if this has been resolved, but I've provided feedback on the talk page per your request, for whatever thats worth. :) I'm not really an expert on the subject, but I do have a friend who is, so I've emailed them asking if they might have a copy of this book (in hardcover), and if they could provide an ISBN for the item if they do.  If an ISBN was never assigned to the special edition by the publisher, that would explain why it isn't showing up on Amazon; an ISBN or UPC is a prerequisite to selling something through their site. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 07:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Just making sure.
Did we agree to keep all members together for List of S.H.I.E.L.D. members, or we going to put them in 2 diff sections(former members and active members) like what User:RIANZ did? I am asking this cause if we did not, then i was going to put something on his talk page. Phoenix741 04:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Meh, I thought we did talk about it, either that or it was like a unwritten thought. Any way, i will put something on his page about that stuff you mentioned. Along with a thanks for all that info he added.Phoenix741 04:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

William Wells Brown
An unregistered user at 24.248.250.170 made repeated vandalisms to this article. I don't have the Wikisense to be identify how much he's messed up, and since you seem to be the most recent member working the article, I'd better leave it in your capable hands. The ip address' Talk page indicates several vandalism warnings as far back as 2005. MDonfield 01:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Awesome Android
Did you address any of the Discussion points? Or did you just claim the sky is falling and make assumptions once again?

Asgardian 20:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

1. I will respond if you ask rather than make demands.

2. Note that "you know who" was doing it long before me...

Asgardian 03:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I was trying to be tactful. I think you know who I'm talking about (CxxxxxxxD). If you were also a tad less melodramatic I would be more receptive. This isn't life or death.

Asgardian 04:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you are over-reacting. If I wish to speak with you directly, I use your Talk page, just as you use mine. "Impugning" you is also little heavy. I'm just saying that it helps to be a little less emotional about all this. Another example was your recent comment about things going back to normal "so the rest of us can get some rest". Again, a tad extreme. As for wiping comments from Talk pages, am I wrong?

On Awesome Android, all the points for the changes were placed on the Discussion page (which I agreed to), which is where you needed to respond first. More dicussion there will be needed.

Asgardian 04:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Civility
It's preferable on Wikipedia to comment on the article rather than the user. You may need to refresh yourself of Civility, which sets out acceptable topics to discuss when editing. I'm not taking sides in any dispute, I'm simply looking to see any disputes centre on the improvement of the article rather than the behaviour of editors. Thanks for your time and happy editing. Steve block Talk 09:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Calm it down a little and let it runs its course. Remember we comment on the issue, not the user.  I'm well aware of whose making which comments, and let's just remember the important thing is a good article. I have email enabled anytime you want to vent off-wiki about anything. Steve block Talk 15:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Cheers. I think this will play out through the dispute resolution process, and end at the ultimate step, but that involves everyone, and everyone's edits come into play. Steve block Talk 15:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Comic-Con Int
That was yesterday's project, and it did take all day long (or at least all the time I could play on Wikipedia...). I used all the information, but there still is a lot of holes though. Thanks a lot! Dark jedi requiem 15:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Glad to see you like Dark jedi requiem's more elegant solution. Unfortunately, Philkaos has taken it upon him/herself to reintroduce dupe wikilinks and toss the table format.  -- Robocoder ( t|c ) 18:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:StanLeeBookCover.jpg
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Ghost Rider
the general concensus was to split the page circa August 2006, but no one did anything about it. if you're looking for some kind of official vote ("yes" or "no"), i invite you to (re)read concensus procedure. 

good catch with the copyright info, though. but i don't know why you declared a copyright violation directly into the article. you should just have removed that material. --Exvicious 02:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
I just happened to visit that article and thought why the Footnotes/References were named as such. Reading your explanation, I concede to your judgment. =) Happy editing, seems you've got a lot of contributions under your belt. =P Berserkerz Crit 10:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Women in Comics
Thank you for the encouragement. I definitely do not want to see the article deleted. I agree that an article about the portrayal of women in comics is important. Currently, I am trying to clean up the article and have already visited the pages that you suggested. It is a struggle to write an article like this and not have it be biased. Any help that you can provide will be sincerely appreciated. Maple Leaf 00:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the quick response. It is definitely my responsibility to get this article up to the appropriate standards. Your suggestion of Women in Science will get me in the right direction. Thanks again. Maple Leaf 00:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The article is starting to take shape. It still needs a lot of work but the one thing I did was change the title to Portrayal of Women in Comic Books. I thought it would reduce confusion with some of the other pages that feature Women in Comics in its title. Maple Leaf 22:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
yeah i dont really care that much for X-men, i just felt like vandalizing a random, terrible movie. i probably wont vandalize anything else for a while, and i do make contributions that arent totally stupid, so yeah. just though you should know that.

-Dean (the guy that vandalized the xmen 3 page) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.77.231.209 (talk • contribs)

Thanks!
Hello Tenebrae. Thank you for this. :-) I really appreciate you going the extra mile. Cheers and happy editing! thunderboltz(Deepu) 18:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Another Thank You
Hello Tenebrae. Thanks for the compliments in the message you sent earlier. It means a great deal coming from you. I've seen you edits, and you keep articles in fantastic shape. I applaud your dedication and wiki skills. In terms of the "150px" issue, I honestly can't remember exactly where I read it. What I do remember is that it involved the issue of "Text squeezing", where including relative large images to increase the size of a section was discurged. I also seem to remember that at the time 150px seemed to be the de rigor size. But I could be remembering that incorrectly. You're commenting about most images being about 180px sounds right to be, too. Sorry I can't be of any more help. From know on, I'll avoid using "standard 150px" in the comments section since that can't be validated. So, that's about it. But thanks again for the comments and the great work. Bhissong 23:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ruth Atkinson Ford
My interest is exclusively Thoroughbred horse racing so I sort of edited her by chance after doing an infobox for her brother, jockey Ted Atkinson. I found a website that claimed her birth to be born in 1918 so I then went to the SSDI for Ruth Ford where the birth/death years and New York state issue matched only one person. Note, I left open her death day as I have much experience in genealogy and know that the SSDI is sometimes off by a few days simply because pople filling in the form put the death date in the wrong section and is actually the filing date or burial date. The Canadian Horse Racing Hall of Fame says the Atkinson family moved across the border to upstate New York when Ted Atkinson was three making it 1919, or one year after Ruth Atkinson was born - hence her Toronto birth. Handicapper 15:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Portrayal of Women in Comics
Hi Tenebrae. The work you did on the Wonder Woman section was superlative. Your suggestions for techniques and copy-editing styles are invaluable. With regards to "bright college student", that would have been eight years ago. My goal was to be a broadcast journalist but never got past anything local. I currently do sales and marketing but Wikipedia has renewed my love of journalism. Cheers!! Maple Leaf 18:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Me too. I'm applying to Columbia School of Journalism. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 02:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Help request
Can you give me some diffs to make this faster? Thanks.--Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 02:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Joe Gill
Once again, fantastic work on expanding one of my entries, this time the Joe Gill entry. I got the very basic details, but you really brought Mr. Gill to life. Love to know how you tracked down all those sources.Konczewski 14:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks pal
Thanks for the nice words, glad things are working out your end. Steve block Talk 16:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Requesting Protection
When you use the Request Protection template, please state why you want it protected and the level of protection to aid in processing and understanding of your request. Cbrown1023 02:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Sam Kweskin.jpg
Hi Tenebrae, the image was untagged for more than seven days, so that image qualifies the criteria for speedy deletion. There was no license information on the image page. That's why, unfortunately I had to delete the image. If you can provide the whole license information with proper tag, I could restore the image. Regards, Shyam  ( T / C ) 16:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I would appericiate your efforts. But you may consider uploading free images on commons rather than on wikipedia. Thank you, Shyam  ( T / C ) 20:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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Severin
In your haste, you deleted the new info about his daughter. (I don't think the sentence about his grandson is relevant.) Pepso 19:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

punisher/archie crossover
hi sup! sorry about the removal of the comicbook screenshot of the punisher/archie crossover. but when User:Edward Wakelin edited the fictional character biography, i found he misplaced the image and i dont know where to place it =) thanks! happy wikiying! †B lo o d p ac k†  22:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * btw, you might also want to consider to putting the image to a proper location, i find its position to be awkward inside the article, thanks! †B lo o d p ac k†  22:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks! btw, im at work right now. btw, can you pls review the "Views of the Criminal Justice System" section? also, i would love to hear your opinion regarding the other version of the punisher, pls see talk page. thanks! †B lo o d p ac k†  04:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

thanks!
...for the current edit on the punisher article, although i dunno whered that bible/hamurabi link came from. also, i noticed that someone keeps on adding that "slavers" storyline in the views of the criminal justice section wherein frank states his kills doesnt make any difference, etc...do you think its notable? just in case he adds it again, thanks again! †B lo o d p ac k† 04:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Please do not bite the newcomers
There is no need to block an editor for twice claiming that Spiderman is "the most popular" instead of "one of the most popular" superheroes. Please do not confuse enthusiasm and vandalism. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 18:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Bob Kane
I've removed the Ron Goulart comment again because it was in the middle of the citation note for Bob Kane's book. If you feel the item has value, re-add it somewhere more appropriate. Thanks. Rhindle The Red 14:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ant-Man and Wasp Reprint
You said you deleted my reprint mention in the Tales to Astonish section because it wasn't need, but a lot of other comic related sites like Captain Marvel has a section for reprint. So how's that different from what I'm doing? 71.115.231.16 20:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

So why didn't you just move it to a more appropriate section on the page? We had this talk before when I did edits on The Black Panther page (I've ended up with a different id number since then), here's something you said:
 * But you know, you're right: My training is as a professional editor, so I do tend to shoot first and ask questions later, if at all. I've thought about it — you mention staying with your dad on weekends, and I've got kids who do the same so I can empathize on that basis — and since I'm trained, I ought to be more helpful with people who might not always "get" the policies but do have the big picture of wanting to make articles better. I thought I was doing that, giving guidance. But now taking a step back, because of your essentially polite query, I can see where citing chapter-and-verse rules can be alienating.

Yet, you're back to shooting first.

I was also talking to CovenantD, and just as I've asked him what sites are considered reliable? Toon zone and DRG4 are ran by pretty reliable people. Yes I'm refering to the edits made to the Secret Wars page. Just because the info doesn't come from an interview, means it's any less reliable.

Sorry, but I always thought that Wikipedia had a policy Assume Good Faith, but the whole citation policy does prove that as a double standard. 71.115.231.16 21:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

When I was talking about Assume Good Faith I was talking about my edits on the Secret Wars page. I gave all of the sources I could, to prove my comment, but apparently I'm not to be trusted. Just what websites do you consider acceptable sources? 71.115.231.16 21:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Road Runner
First of all, to demonstrate (using a relevant example) that Mel Blanc sometimes exaggerated his involvement in certain things is not calling him "a liar." There are plenty of examples of entertainers exaggerating things in their autobiographies... sometimes because they forget details, sometimes because they just wanted to be more entertaining and assumed people didn't really care about the boring truth.

I feel it's relevant in this article because people reading that section are going to want to know why Blanc's account is not considered reliable. The Porky Pig example is the easiest way of doing that without including the tortured and mostly extraneous explanation above.

Secondly, the Barrier interviews were done for his own research as a historian (and a fan magazine he did years ago called Funnyworld). They were recorded in the 70's, long before DVD's existed, but he included the audio recordings in his commentary when approched by Warner Bros. This does not make the information "uncited," it just means you haven't looked at the citation yet (Barrier's work and the DVD commentary). I assume you haven't bought the DVD set, but that doesn't mean you have a right or responsibility to revert everything you haven't had the opportuntiy to personally check. --207.230.140.240 22:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. For what it's worth, the "disciplinary action" listed on the talk page for that IP address was not for anything I did. In fact, this is the first time I've ever had to directly take issue with another editor. I know I can't exactly prove that, but I figure you can guess that I'm not the one going around blanking pages and engaging in idiotic vandalism.


 * But I certainly didn't remove anything that addressed that point in a factual way, which is that "Blanc's account had long been questioned by animation buffs...." That's all that need be said to present the unvarnished fact; anything else is arguing a viewpoint, which falls afoul of the policy of neutral point of view. It's also original research, which Wikipedia disallows.

I don't know how I can convince you this is not original research when I already posted a citation that both shows what Blanc said and showed what the real history of the character was. That's encyclopedic and pretty self-explanatory.

I'll try to find the exact disc for those Barrier interviews when I get a chance, but that first paragraph is already getting incredibly complicated in a way that obscures its whole point. The reason for that section is to let people know that Paul Julian was the voice of the Road Runner. Pure and simple. I'll leave changes to you since I'm not interested in a revert war, but a straightforward statement about Julian needs to be at the beginning of the paragraph instead of at the end of a sentence so complex it has to be read two or three times to be comprehensible.

As long as we're talking about Wikipedia guidelines, it should be noted that you changed my edits twice in a single day. Reversion is supposed to be a last resort, used only in the case of vandalism, clear misrepresentation, or the inclusion of a matter that has already been deemed off-limits by administrators or a majority of interested editors. The concerns you've raised could easily have been addressed with any number of tags (such as or npov) in order to start a discussion.

Based on your talk page, you seem to have a habit of going a little overboard in your editing of a number of articles (including a warning from an administrator for being too gung-ho). May I respectfully suggest that you take a deep breath before you start hacking at the good-faith work of other people... then you can see if anyone else shares the concerns you raise. --207.230.140.240 16:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

You make good points regarding the Blanc citation. Consider the matter dropped.


 * hey, at least tell me what you think of my finding that Ethelbert panel!

Oy... I wish you hadn't asked that. :-) The truth of the matter is that I was the first person to put up that citation along with a link that displayed the panel.  I'm glad you put up the picture (I can't do that myself as an anonymous user), although I frankly think that having three citations for that one trivial fact (especially when it's all covered in Evanier's column) is a bit of overkill.  Just one man's opinion since you asked. :-)

I apologize for coming across as questioning your good faith. That was never my intention, and I see that you have plenty of compliments for other articles. I only brought it up because there are now a handful of complaints -- one right after another -- from people with much the same concern as mine. I'm certain you are doing what you think best... I (and the others) just think you have what strikes us as a "Revert first, initiate discussion later" tendancy that contravenes certain Wikipedia guidelines and results in ill will. You can dismiss us all as newbies and malcontents if you choose (saying "there are always complaints"), but it's also possible there's something to be learned. --207.230.140.240 19:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Death Hawk
How about contacting the creator/editor of a page before you gut it and then accuse them of vandalism when they restore it to the state in which it has happily been in for months?

This fixation on the Death Hawk entry is starting to seem vindictive and punitive. You're the one vandalizing it. Jamesaxler 00:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Jamesaxler

I wasn't accusing you of being vindictive before, only that your constant actions and attention focused on this entry seemed like it.

If no one "owns" an article, then how can you accuse me of vandalizing it when you're the one making arbitrary changes that basically only gut it, not enhance it.

You removed copyrighted images that reference the copyright owner...which happens to be me. I gave myself permission to post them.

Yeah, I think you'd better call in an administrator. You're definitely making this personal for some bizarre reason.Jamesaxler 01:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, thanks for the kind comments; just trying to help out! Kid Banzai 11:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Huh?
What are you saying, Tenebrae? Brian Boru is awesome 18:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words but I'm not an admin. Brian Boru is awesome 18:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate what you put on my talk page. I agree with what you said about the other editors. Sometime people just get caught up in so much of the politics of this place that they lose sight of what is going on, even though they mean well. I am just glad I can be here to provide my, as you put it,"plain-spoken common sense". Phoenix741 13:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

PS:I think you should look the the new comment I made on Talk:List of S.H.I.E.L.D. members. Since the Civil War ended the way it did, it might need some major add-ons.

Admin
Why are you not an admin? --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 19:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That is a good question, heck i would support you, if my support would have any weight.Phoenix741 13:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That's flattering beyond words, to hear this from two peers and excellent editors. I'm not sure I have the temperament or the time &mdash; it's been weeks since I've been able to write an article, just from the upkeep of my watchlist. But I'm honored by your suggestion, as corny as I might sound. Maybe that would the be logical progression.... With great respect, --Tenebrae 19:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Factual error in CfD
In the discussion Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_14, you asserted that "conventions are commercial operations" and that guests are just "whatever celebrity-in-the-field that you can convince to come". These statements are factually untrue (and fairly insulting to both hard-working volunteers and honored guests). Please see the revised Worldcon article for further details. Avt tor 21:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for writing. I did go to the Worldcon article. From the number of uncited, "insidery" assertions, it gives the impression of having been largely written by someone associated with Worldcon, rather than an objective editor.


 * The article really doesn't address the points I brought up. Is Worldcon mounted by a volunteer organization, with no salaried employees? The article doesn't say. Does it have sponsorships? How does it pay for itself every year? The article doesn't say. The point about guests of honor being who is available comes from experience in the profession. I feel badly that my comments were taken personally. Are you associated with Worldcon?--Tenebrae 21:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Worldcons have no employees and are entirely run by volunteers with no salaraied employees. If you look at the article, you'll see that they are not-for-profit organizations, very different from a commercial Comic Con or Star Trek convention.Shsilver 22:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have taken your suggestions and expanded the section on committees to explain some of the questions you raised. As a matter of fact, what you are calling "insidery assertions" are stock responses to frequently asked questions; it is exactly because some people distribute their inaccurate impressions that many of us have stock answers. I have no idea what you mean by "experience in the profession"; there is no "profession" of Worldcon organizers other than the informal and self-selected "Permanent Floating Worldcon Committee" (I guess that's another point to add to the article), and certainly science fiction authors would know they don't get paid to go to conventions.


 * Yes, I have been volunteering at Worldcons for the past dozen years. Although I endeavor to write in a NPOV, I do not claim to be personally objective, but merely informed on the articles I contribute to. When I write on topics about American politics, I write for readers interested in American politics; when I write about Canada, I write for readers interested in Canada, and when I contribute to articles about science fiction fandom, I write for readers interested in science fiction fandom. A very small number of people are contributing to Wikipedia articles of interest to a large audience of fans. Avt tor 22:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You may have been led astray, Tenebrae, by your professional experience with comics conventions, which are much more commercialized and organized under completely different principles. Worldcons are an entirely different affair, operating under an older, all-volunteer paradigm. (I've only been attending them for 31 years, but I am beginning to get the hang of this fandom thing.) -- Orange Mike 20:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:THANKS
Not a problem. That's why they made me an admin, no? Anyway, I watchlisted your userpage in case that vandal returns as a different IP. Keep up the vandal reverting! Heimstern Läufer 05:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Thank you, its always good to see you too. Sorry about not replying about the John Buscema controversy. By the time I checked it out, there didn't seem to be anything of value I could add to the conversation. Stephen Day 02:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Quick Question, nothing really important.
Is there a place where people can idk "announce" new user boxes that were made. I am asking this cause well I made this one.

and well I think it would be cool if they were put on people's user pages now, instead of like 5 months after all they hype is over. I did put it in Userboxes/Media/Comics but i really don't think people check that page often for updates.Phoenix741 15:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey i will be the first get up and dance if he comes back. But from what i have been hearing he is dead, and i need to mourn 8-P.Phoenix741 13:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In Civil War: Initiative, Ms. Marvel says he is alive and hidden. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 23:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I heard about that, and well i kept hearing that he is dead, like dead dead, like Ms. Marvel was wrong.Phoenix741 23:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Y'know, I gotta tell ya, the way the article is right now (at least at this particular moment!) seems pretty good: States things in a straightforward fashion while taking the particular conventions of comic-book deaths into account. I'm feeling pretty proud of my colleagues and myself -- at least, as I said, at this particular moment! --Tenebrae 00:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually i am suprised about the amount of vandaliosm that has happened to this page(as in the lack of it). I would expect people to be doing reverts every few seconds, but it does not seem that bad.Phoenix741 15:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

the punisher article
hi!, seems like a lot of personal point of views, verifiability issues and original research has been going on in the article. i would appreciate if you can stop by and have your professional review on the current edits on the said article... †B lo o d p ac k† 02:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * sup! thanks for stopping by in the article and the major copy/edits. I would also like to know your inputs regarding the "other version" section of this article. We have the ultimate version in it. Should we also include the 2099 version? or the manga version? i mean, the punisher had a lot of versions. Do you think it should all be included in the article or should we create a "see main article" template? any ideas? thanks! †B lo o d p ac k†  22:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

re: Sock puppet?
I think it's a piece of "common knowledge" around the Comics Project that he has one or more IPAs (another possibility being 203.46.189.91). The pisser is I don't think he's doing it to sock but due to laziness/carelessness.

I know of at least one other user that does the same thing: User:Basique. He's even gone to the extent of redirecting the the talk page for the IPA he uses (69.136.111.100) to his named account.

But where Basique will at least engage in civil discourse, work with others, and abide by consensus driven decisions, Asgardian seems to be more concerned with forcing his edits, regardless.

At this point I think it may be time to push an admin to long term semi-protect his "protectorate" simply to force the him, or the annom if it isn't him, to actually log in and defend his actions. The protracted, gaming-the-system edit/revert wars is asinine at this point.

— J Greb 03:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If I'm going to go to an admin, I'd like as solid a set of articles as possible. I'd also like a set of IPAs for an inclusive "Checkuser please" request.
 * I don't want the editor to cry foul when accused of WP:OWN because it's 2 or more "annoms" reverting to "his" version. I also want to have a leg to stand on for widening the semi-protections if he decides to wait it out on his faves.
 * — J Greb 03:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The case for 211.29.188.167 being a sock puppet is reasonably good. Checking his edit history, all of the articles that IP's amended have also been updated by User:Asgardian. Having said that, Asgardian has edited a lot of Marvel articles and 211.29.188.167 has only made a handful of edits... but, as you say, they're also the same sort of changes... --Mrph 08:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Charlie Peace
If you've got a spare second, could you take a quick look at Talk:Charlie Peace? I'd appreciate a second opinion on the best route forward. The character's directly inspired by a real criminal - Charles Peace - and one of the editors who's been working on that article is contemplating merging or moving the comics article to avoid confusion. I think I've suggested something workable, but I may have missed something. Thanks! --Mrph 21:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Brooklyn Tech
Hi, Tenebrae, I had a look at that article, and yeah, I can see it's getting defaced by IPs. Still, I'm only seeing about one or two per day most of the time. That's generally not enough to warrant semi-protection, at least in my mind (and I'm pretty sure most other admins would agree with me). For now, it's best just to watchlist and revert. Note that in the future, it's probably better to put this sort of thing at WP:RFPP. That way you don't have to wait for me, as many admins watch that page. Heimstern Läufer 03:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Grad school
I got into the Syracuse University S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications and about an hour ago, I was able to get conditional admission to Ohio U. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 19:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Mystic Arcana
Thanks for the vote of confidence; glad to see this English major is finally paying off. ;-) I'm a newly registered user (fan of the site for a while), so what's this WikiComics project, and how do I officially become a part of it? I'm planning a big clean-up of the Runaways, the individual member pages, then Rogue, then the main X-Men page.  I know it's not much, but they're my favorite comics.

too much coffee man
Yes, my sentence was ungrammatical (yes, my english is far from perfect), but it's very hard to cite this, even if it's true. In this comics the author used the name "How to Be Happy" for the first time, but from that time (January 2006) all of his strips are named "How to Be Happy". I don't know how exacty can I cite that. --Have a nice day. Running 17:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * And this one proves that these two names are the same comics. --Have a nice day. Running 17:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Green Lantern
Ack... I didn't see you edit. Sorry about that.

As for the bulk rational... it's more of a reaction to one editor, Sonic Shadow. The editor has shown a long standing disregard for the Comics Project guides on volume numbers and Roman numeral/succession use as well as date formatting. This includes multiple reminders and prodings on his talk page. He also prefers to do "all-in-one" edits.

I've gotten to the point where, instead of hunting through the edit and doing piecemeal reverts with edit summaries (been there, done that to little effect), I'll flat undo/revert if he's included contraventions of the guidelines, and again include the edit summary.

In this case, in "undo" wasn't an option, I reverted and included what I though was the only revision by a subsequent editor. I didn't check before submitting if someone else had also edited the material.

- J Greb 18:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The Initiative cover image
Where are we taking the discussion at this point? The Comics Project Noticeboard talk or the Project general talk? - J Greb 23:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

punisher edit
Hi tenebrae, wasup! just dropping by to make a note about your punisher edit particularly this one, about the punisher issue #44. I was browsing the website thepunisher.com and it released the comicbook cover for issue #44. And it made note about the punisher's date of birth printed on the cover. I thought, this issue would be a collector's item so i grabbed a copy. But when i bought the book itself, the punisher's date of birth was removed from the cover, but the site thepunisher.com has a scanned copy of thiss book with the punisher's DOB from marvel itself. Thats why i made a note in that particular section of the article. Let me know if its still notable to mention it on the article or you can try to browse thepunisher.com website, search in the past news (i forgot if its under february or march) then look for the scanned image of issue #44 with punisher's date of birth. Thanks and happy wikiying! †B lo o d p ac k† 22:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks for the quick reply! ill try to email the owner of thepunisher.com to verify where "exactly" he took the info, or if marvel still has a news or a scanned image about the issue. But i also have copied the jpeg of that issue, but i know it still needs verification if its just a photomanipulation or if timothy bradstreet really incorporate it in his cover painting. But i recall in the past, he also made some changes in his (tim bradstreet) painting (i forgot what cover issue). Marvel asked him to remove some blood in his painting, but i forgot what cover issue. I'll come back later to give you the image...thanks! †B lo o d p ac k†  23:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

hi! its me bloodpack and here it is, check out the january 16, 2007 news and look carefully under the punisher's DOB. And i also went to marvel's site, but issue #44 doesnt have an image. This one is from punisher-art.com site, again it has a DOB, but if you buy the book in the comicbook shop, his DOB is blacked out 203.177.36.184 00:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks! laterz ;] †B lo o d p ac k†  04:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Ledger reference
Oh, I knew when I added it that the Sci-Fi news citation on Ledger wasn't adequate. I just added as basically an interim reference until I could take a few minutes to go back and find a better one I'd seen before. The one I put didn't take any time to look up because I simply happened to have seen it earlier in the day. If you hadn't added a better source, I soon would have. I appreciate that you cared enough to comment about it, though. I've always enjoyed crossing wiki-paths with you. Doczilla 04:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

mack bolan vs punisher
hi! you think we should call a voting for this matter? i dont want to have this escalate in an edit war †B lo o d p ac k†  22:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Early Steranko
It seems that Jim Steranko did a comic strip published in a local newspaper called "Houdini" in the 1950's. I wonder if this should be included in his bio? What do you think? I have samples.207.112.42.85 15:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC) Tony Robertson 15:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Joker
The edit I made to Joker was in fact on the level. According to DC's July solicits, issue #7 of Batman Confidential will be about the Joker's life before the accident. Here's the blurb - BATMAN CONFIDENTIAL #7

Written by Michael Green, art and cover by Denys Cowan and John Floyd.

What kind of person becomes a Joker? Writer Michael Green (Heroes writer/producer) and classic Batman artist Denys Cowan shed light on who the Joker was before he became the Joker...and how he and Batman crossed paths even before the day he was created.

That's why I added the link in the first place: so it WOULD be verifiable. Ive added it back to the Joker page. Check out the solicits link. Its near the top of the Bat-titles section.SMegatron 08:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Having read through a few other edits made since, and had a look at a few of wikipedia's guidelines, I'd like to apologise for adding that. I was unaware that solicits couldn't be linked to the main site, and was simply trying to word the stuff I put up in a way that wouldn't just have been copying the above solicitation info. Anyway, sorry about that. SMegatron 12:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. However, if its OK with you, there is something I want to ask. Im a member of wikiproject Transformers, and often edit articles about upcoming Transformers comics. However, Ive noticed a few of them have solicits info as references, which you have indicated is against the rules. Is it OK as references, or is it altogether wrong?SMegatron 09:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I reaise you're probably busy, but I thought as its comic articles, it might be of interest.SMegatron 09:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. That's really helpful.SMegatron 14:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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Slightly related to the situation at Whizzer...
I've been slowly working my way into a cleanup of sorts with the Squadron Supreme "family" of articles. Starting with the Whizzer.

At this point I've also worked on Speed Demon to pretty much the same results. Which is a bit more worrying since the editor doing the reverting is insisting that the character's history be split among the 2 articles and jettisoning wholesale the PH.

If you wouldn't mind taking a look there as well...

Also, the jargon laden lead has been placed, by the same editor I believe, in almost all of the related articles. As well, his move of at least one article, Hyperion (Supreme Power) to Hyperion (Squadron Supreme), was done in such a way that it's going to cause more confusion than help.

Thanks - J Greb 16:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I left the parantheticals in the sub-heads as an olive branch. Asgardian wanted a format that was redundant and a little oblique. This format was a little better. My preference would be, as you indicate, to leave it at the names. That being said, I have seen cases, Nighthawk is a good one, where the jargon is needed to make each header unique.
 * - J Greb 17:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I hate to ask this in this way, but at what point does an editor's insistence of going back to his last edit constitute WP:OWN? At this point I'm getting sick of the blanket reverts and the condecension that is coming across in the Edit summaries. - J Greb 16:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That, Speed Demon and Doctor Spectrum atm... It setting to the point where I want to say "Fuck it. Fuck the entire damn project." Almost everything I put up, in small sections, gets reverted back to Asgardian's last up load. And the edit summaries he puts up read as "Don't touch this I will fix it. This is mine to tinker with." And adding salt, it seems he has no problem branding others adds as "speculation" and "assumption" while insisting his stay in. It's getting to the point where putting in volunteer effort here is no longer fun or even worthwhile. - J Greb 06:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll hang on... and I'll fight the temptation to run through the hour+ it would take me to re-do the small edits again. Though I'm very close to "giving in kind" and doing flat flips.
 * I can appreciate the time thing, I think I'm a zone west from you.
 * As for Nighthawk... it looks good. There are a few things though that I'd tweak.
 * Alternate versions: To be honest, with the Squadron characters I look at this being things like Earth X or the "King Hyperion" that appeared in Exiles. The rest of them though, those are more or less "mainstream", E-616, -712, -"Supreme Power", or -"Ultimate". I'd put them in publication order. And IIUC for Nighthawk that would be Kyle-616, -712, Neil-712, Kyle-"Ultimate", and Kyle-"Power" w/ "main" link.
 * Pull a ref section from say Whizzer, at least to get the cite showing.
 * There was a "Notes" section I had put into Whizzer and Blur that took the jargon (Earth designations) out of the lead, PH, and, where Asgadian likes it, the cite section. I really think it should be on all of the Squadron articles that deal with that particular element. An example of one that doesn't need it would be Speed Demon. - J Greb 06:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * What is this?

It would be really awful if a great and responsible editor like you were driven off by someone who is, well, not so much.

Now that was dumb. D-U-M-B. Not the way to encourage cooperation. As for "not so much", take a look at what the articles were, and who has done the majority of the work - which includes having to rewrite the PH efforts of our fellow poster, which came complete with spelling errors, POV etc. Do you want someone with the knowledge who is also prepared to sit down for hours and work out the chronology and source it...or not?

Asgardian 08:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to talk to him tomorrow (it's 2:15 a.m. now where I am), and see if I can't edit something that's more of a middle ground. How's Nighthawk starting to seem to you now? --Tenebrae 06:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You have your middle ground, as I have rewritten two PH now. What you may like to think about and then discuss without that condescending tone is the need for certain notes that clarify the matter for new readers. When it comes to the Sinister/Supreme/Power debacle, it cannot be made clear enough...

Asgardian 08:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Wording about multiple Earths or anything else under the Sun can be resolved. I can write these things ten different ways. This is what I have objection to:

It would be really awful if a great and responsible editor like you were driven off by someone who is, well, not so much.

As I said, not so smart given how much information I've had to rewrite from JGreb and others.

Asgardian 21:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

': We like you and we're trying to encourage you to embellish your skills. It can be a frustrating effort sometimes, but I'm not giving up:'

This is EXACTLY the kind of behaviour I'm talking about! If you stop talking to people like they are 10 you might get a little help. By the by, some of your own edits aren't perfect. Once Again, think about who has done the majority of the work...

Asgardian 09:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I have reported Asgardian to the Administrator's noticeboard. --GentlemanGhost 01:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

no problem!
anytime and keep it up! ;) †B lo o d p ac k†  15:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

No worries.
Re: edit to The Hulk - it's easily done, and I've done it myself too. I quite like the new(ish) undo option for this, since it'll warn you if there's been intervening edits. Wibbble 14:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOSDAB
The relevant sections:


 * "Do not pipe the name of the links to the articles being listed (for example, Moment (physics))."

This: "If the article's title contains both a title and a clarifier, use a piped link to quote or italicize only the title" means that this The War of the Worlds (1953 film) becomes this: The War of the Worlds (1953 film) (see an example here). It does not mean that piping can be used indiscriminately - there are a few exceptions to the piping rule - Ron Turner isn't one. See the main section on people

On my removing the other wikilinks from that page see:


 * "Unlike a regular article page, do not wikilink any other words in the line"

On your adding a link up to the Ron Turner disambiguation page see:


 * "There is rarely a need for links directly to disambiguation pages—except from any primary topic."

Exceptions might be for Ronald Turner where the disambiguation isn't easily reached by removing the clarifier from the URL (or something simple) which isn't the case here (I know this one from experience as I used to link up to the disambiguation page all the time and had that relevant section pointed out to me on numerous occasions).

I hope that explains my actions which follow the WP:MOSDAB guidelines. I am reverting your edits, please read through the guidelines and if you feel I am wrong then reply on my talk page rather than revert my edits. (Emperor 14:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC))


 * No problem. I'm pretty sure I was doing exactly the same a while ago until someone pointed out the relevant sections and where I'd misunderstood bits too ;) As I always say the important thing is that the information is in there (and you have done a great job with Ron Turner - we can get current 2000 AD (comic) series and creators in easily but it always trickier the further back you go) everything else is just fine tuning ;) So thanks for the work there - it has resulted in a very solid entry. If only they could all be like that ;) (Emperor 12:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC))

Small heads up
I just put the side bar in play on most of the Squadron Supreme articles. I specifically avoided Squadron Sinister and Speed Demon since they only deal with the "primary" Earth.

Also, I put up merge proposals on the articles for Squadron Supreme, Hyperion, and Nighthawk...

- J Greb 20:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Tenebrae
Dear Tenebrae, I'm sorry I wasn't around when you asked for my help. Fortunately, my friend Rogerd saw your request and acted immediately. Needless to say, I was glad to offer you my assistance the other day, and if you ever need me again, please don't hesitate to ask me, and I'll come flying - if I'm around, that is! ;) Hugs,  P h a e d r i e l  - 14:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Its time!
 Bloodpack would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Bloodpack to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Requests for adminship/. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
 * You really deserve it, and besides I could need someone to back me up just in case i run into some trouble (jk!) Anyways, I didnt know its your second. Ill just move the wikiproject title. Regards! ;) †B lo o d p ac k†  00:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, i also nominated myself for the position to know how it feels like. The result was a staggering landslide oppositions! =D †B lo o d p ac k†  02:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Its really a great loss for the comics project if you miss it. Just give it a try. We have nothing to lose and its a fun wiki experience. Its really meant for you =) †B lo o d p ac k†  22:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * i have faith in you ten! im sorry im offline this weekend but ill post it now =) keep the spirit and best of luck! †B lo o d p ac k†  22:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

BTW, you have to accept it first here and answer the questions Requests for adminship/Tenebrae, thanks!

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Protection
Spider Man doesn't look nearly as bad as Superman and Batman. It seems that long periods go by without problems, and that there are some anons helping with removing vandalism. I haven't protected it, but let me know if it gets worse. There is no set standard for when articles like these should be semi-protected. My own view is that the vandalism should be ongoing, 3 or more times a day, almost every day. Also, there should be little or no good edits by anons compared to the amount of problem edits. I'd be interested in hearing your opinion, as someone who deals with frequently vandalized pages, of what you think the threshold of vandalism should be to prompt semi-protection.

Also, I've fully protected the Bob Kane article for a week. The problem there is not vandalism, but a dispute, and semi-protection cannot be used for disputes. I made the duration a week because if the anon does not engage in discussion after a week, he probably never will. If the anon continues to be a problem after a week let me know. -- Sam uel Wantman 07:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you asked me to take a second look at Spider Man. You were correct, and I've semi-protected it indefinitely.  The reason I came to the wrong conclusion is because I failed to notice that it was previously protected up until a few days ago, so I thought the current wave of vandalism was a fluke.  It seems clear to me now that since the vandalism resumed immediately after the protection lapsed, that it should remain semi-protected.  -- Sam uel Wantman 21:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

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Good job on the edits to the references on the Silver Surfer article. Regarding your note with "Silver Surfer: Escape to Terror" (where he goes to Zenn-La only to find it destroyed and Shalla-Bal kidnapped by Mephisto), that comic was the one-shot published by John Bryne. I'm sure you can find it somewhere. I'll get the link verifying it if you doubt it. And are you sure that online catalogs are inappropriate? A lot of references to the Marvel catalogs exist in the "Other versions" section. Zuracech lordum 20:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing and your RfA
Tenebrae, I'm seriously disappointed in your canvassing efforts (and nearly three dozen other such edits) regarding your RfA. RfA is not about trying to get as many support votes as you can. It's about determining if consensus in the community is that you should be an admin. Canvassing such as you have done badly pollutes this process and makes it impossible to determine if consensus really exists to grant you administrator privileges. I strongly advise you to close this RfA and try again in at least another month, and do so without canvassing people in the process. --Durin 17:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The RfA was never transcluded to Requests for adminship. As such, it never officially opened. Being inexperienced in how to do this is perfectly acceptable. Canvassing other people to get votes is way out of line. This calls into serious doubt your ability to judge consensus on things such as AfD closures and the like. Consensus is not about voting. Trying to get friendly acquaintances of yours to support your RfA is seriously bad form. --Durin 17:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack Kirby
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