User talk:TheSandDoctor/Archives/2020/October

Consider relist
This was closed because it was linked on main page. I ask that we relist the AfD proceed now that it is no longer a concern. Lightburst (talk) 20:34, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe a new AfD would be more appropriate than re-opening the most recent one as a lot of the !votes there were due to it being on the main page at the time. It is probably easier to start fresh. It is worth noting though that there is currently a merge discussion ongoing, which could cause an AfD to be seen as WP:FORUMSHOPPING. -- The SandDoctor Talk 03:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Liam Watts
You deleted Liam Watts (EastEnders), but then recreated Liam Watts (EastEnders) as a redirect to Liam Butcher. The problem here is that the character "Liam Butcher" in EastEnders is not now, nor has he ever been known as "Liam Watts". The original page was an act of vandalism by, a user with a history of falsifying soap opera character pages. Your new redirect should be deleted. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for pointing that out. -- The SandDoctor Talk 00:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Peer review assistance
Hello TheSandDoctor. I hope you are doing well. Loving the work you and HD are doing on Tay Tay articles. Anyhow, I have this peer review open, and I would love to hear your comments regarding the prose of the article if you have the time. :) Cheers! — Tom (T2ME) 13:11, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-41
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
 * You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page.

Problems
 * There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late.
 * Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).
 * Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in  is linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis.

Future changes
 * You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.

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1989
Hey, thanks for your work with the article Just saying I think that it is okay to add wikilinks to publishers/magazines for every ref cited (which is not WP:OVERLINK to my knowledge)! HĐ (talk) 07:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Video games Newsletter Q3 2020
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Dr. Stone: Stone Wars, The World God Only Knows (season 1), and The World God Only Knows: Goddesses
Did you check the talk pages for those pages? All of the info for The World God Only Knows season pages were split from its episode list with links showing it. Dr. Stone: Stone Wars was created using info from Anime News Network and and other sources on its main episode list page. SpectresWrath (talk) 00:16, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , TSD asked me to for advice on this issue, and it looks like a few of the articles might be legitimate splits from the original articles. Unfortunately I cannot locate all of the original content because you didn't provide enough attribution per WP:PROPERSPLIT. If you could please identify the article(s) that each page was split off from, it would likely mean restoration of the deleted articles. Primefac (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The World God Only Knows (season 1) and The World God Only Knows: Goddesses were split from List of The World God Only Knows episodes. SpectresWrath (talk) 01:52, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you restore Dr. Stone: Stone Wars as well? SpectresWrath (talk) 01:54, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ for all three, but I am concerned particularly about as it predates the earliest version of the article and copies it virtually word for word. Could you please resolve this? It also seems a bit too soon and needs its attributions fixed if it is indeed copied from other enwiki articles. -- The SandDoctor  Talk 03:35, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That section for Dr. Stone: Stone Wars is copied from the episode list which was published on October 18, 2019. The version from startattle.com was published on December 14, 2019. So theirs is copied from Wikipedia. SpectresWrath (talk) 19:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Could you please fix the attribution? Right now there isn't any on the talk page. -- The SandDoctor Talk 19:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That's because it wasn't split from the episode list since it didn't air yet. So do I just use the links I presented to you with the copied template? SpectresWrath (talk) 20:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that sounds fine by me. Thanks for the explainers. -- The SandDoctor Talk 22:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Problems
 * Because of the problems with the MediaWiki version two weeks ago last week's updates are also late.

Changes later this week
 * Live previews didn't show the templates used in the preview if you just edited a section. This has now been fixed. You can also test CSS and JavaScript pages even if you have the live preview enabled. Previously this didn't work well.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 October. It will be on all wikis from 15 October (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg A new stable version of Pywikibot is coming soon.

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AFD
The next time you nominate articles about seemingly widely known subjects for deletion, please explain your nominations if you are convinced about. "Fails WP:GNG" is not a magic formula which will persuade anyone when the article looks quite notable in the first place. Geschichte (talk) 16:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You are right that I should have given more expanded rationales. I have started going through and updating them. My apologies. -- The SandDoctor Talk 17:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the category: "Wikipedia usernames with possible policy issues."
Hello, I have removed all user talk pages who appear to be inactive for more than one year. I have done this using WP:AWB by skipping pages that contain "2020." Please note that users who have not talked on their talk page since 2019 but are still active will be removed. I suspect this will be few if none. If you need to readd a user, please revert my edit, or remove surrounding the code that adds the person to the category. Happy editing!  Mr. Heart  (talk) 01:46, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I must admit that I strongly disagree with this, . Not only is it a probable violation of WP:BOTPOL for editing speed, but UPOL violations have no expiry and should all be evaluated rather than indiscriminately dumped. You yourself said that your script wasn't sensitive to whether they are still active or not. CAT:UAA is not best served by indiscriminate automated tools. -- The SandDoctor Talk 02:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I apologize. I have stopped this process immediately! Recommendations to do now?  Mr. Heart  (talk) 02:14, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you have supplied me with a list of the pages removed on irc (which I greatly appreciate) and given only 550 left to go, please complete the run but do so a bit slower. In future, please leave time for consultation prior to such a run on an admin category. -- The SandDoctor Talk 02:29, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2020). Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * A request for comment found consensus that incubation as an alternative to deletion should generally only be recommended when draftification is appropriate, namely 1) if the result of a deletion discussion is to draftify; or 2) if the article is newly created.

Technical news
 * The filter log now provides links to view diffs of deleted revisions (T261630).

Arbitration
 * The 2020 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process has begun. The community consultation period will take place from September 27th to October 7th.
 * Following a request for comment, sitting Committee members may not serve on either the Ombuds Commission or the WMF Case Review Committee. The Arbitration Committee passed a motion implementing those results into their procedures.

Miscellaneous
 * The Universal Code of Conduct draft is open for community review and comment until October 6th, 2020.
 * Office actions may now be appealed to the Interim Trust & Safety Case Review Committee.

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GTA IV Peer review
Hey The SandDoctor, I noticed you have a PR active for Grand Theft Auto IV and it piqued my interest for a few reasons: I'd have a few thoughts, I reviewed (failed) its GAN many years ago and I largely took Grand Theft Auto V through to FA (think you may have used this as a model somewhat). I'd like to have a look although I'm wondering if you'd exchange for any commentary on Warner Bros. Movie World? I understand this may not be a topic as familiar/interesting to you but perhaps dispassionate commentary from an outside reader could be helpful? Let me know your thoughts about this. Thanks! —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  14:06, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You are right that WB Movie World is sort of outside of my familiarity, but I will happily take a look at it...but it will be this weekend probably before I can read through and get comments up. Is that okay? -- The SandDoctor Talk 06:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not an issue at all. I haven't been able to get around to anything today or yesterday anyway (tied up with work currently) but I'll get some comments to you tomorrow hopefully. No pressure at all re Movie World, comments are not expected although even some preliminary observations in lieu of a comprehensive review could be useful. Thanks! —  CR 4 ZE (T &bull; C)  03:18, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Farida Kabir
Why did you relist this? To my (biased) eye, there appears to be a consensus. ~Kvng (talk) 15:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the delayed response. I felt re-listing in favour of a stronger consensus would be appropriate. Given another look, I will close it once it becomes re-eligible, if I am not beaten to it. -- The SandDoctor Talk 18:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- The SandDoctor Talk 06:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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Future changes
 * You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.
 * Octicons-tools.svg In the AbuseFilter extension, the  function will be updated soon so that it does not remove the "space" character. Wikis are advised to wrap all the uses of   with   wherever necessary to keep filters' behavior unchanged. You can use the search function on Special:AbuseFilter to locate its usage.
 * Some gadgets and user-scripts use the HTML div with the ID . This div will be removed soon. Maintainers should replace these uses with either   or  . A list of affected scripts is at the top of T265373.

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French road article PRODs
Generally, all national roads are considered notable; see WP:GEOROAD. --Rschen7754 02:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I was looking at the section right above (which references infrastructure needing to pass WP:GNG), WP:ROADOUTCOMES, and Notability (highways). The fact that roads exist isn't disputed or anything, but they don't appear individually notable. That said, I respect that you disagree re this. I was also probably thinking somewhat back to a string of successful AfDs for roads a couple years ago, but upon some sifting discovered I had remembered the case wrong and they were literal local avenues in Portland. Anyhow, I hope you are staying safe in these most unusual times . -- The SandDoctor Talk 03:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a bit more than "I disagree with this" - there are over 25,000 articles on national and state/provincial roads on English Wikipedia (over 1,000 of them are GA or higher). If you disagree with having them here, making a few PRODs is the wrong way to go about it. As far as why those particular articles aren't that great, the language barrier seems to be the primary issue (and the fact that there are matching articles in both German and French Wikipedias should be another hint that these are indeed major highways). --Rschen7754 04:07, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That was misworded on my part, my apologies. I'll drop the matter. My comment re hoping that you are doing well does stand though (and isn't meant to insinuate anything). -- The SandDoctor Talk 04:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Request AfD / WP:SIGCOV advice
I am interested in maintenance tasks, and consequently have lately been participating in AfD discussions. Most have been pretty straightforward.

However, Articles_for_deletion/Majid_Ali_Jaunpuri has me bowled. I have not voted in the discussion, but based on my reading of WP:SIGCOV I feel that the one sentence mentions of the subject in the cited documents are passing mentions, and don't rise to the level of significant coverage. But a bunch of editors seem fairly content with the sourcing. Therefore, I seek some guidance in this matter - not necessarily on how to vote in this matter (I am fine not voting in this AfD at all), but rather so that I understand the standard of sigificant coverage as I continue to participate in future AfDs.

I want to clarify that this is not an attempt at lobbying/campaigning either for or against deletion of this article - I am genuinely seeking advice on WP policy.

I posted the question at WP:Teahouse but the person who created the article is a host there, and replied with the same arguments. And since someone replied, I assume nobody else at Teahouse will now look at the question.

In my browsing of AfDs since I started a few weeks ago, you seem to be fairly involved in the cleanup. Hence this message to you. Apologies if this is too much trouble.

Full disclosure: I am aslo asking Bearcat for advice, as he seems to be fairly active in AfDs too. — Ad Meliora Talk∕Contribs 15:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-44
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on October 27 around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.
 * Last week, links to "diffs" from mobile watchlists and recentchanges were linking to page-revisions instead of diffs. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * Since the introduction of the interface administrators user group in 2018, administrators couldn’t view the deleted history of CSS/JS pages. Now they can.
 * There was a problem with the Change Tags. The software would apply the "" tag to any page actions such as page-protection changes if they came directly after a reverted edit. This has now been fixed for new edits.
 * The Reply tool will be offered as an opt-in Beta Feature on most Wikipedias in November. Another announcement will be made once the date is finalized.

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Re:PROD for 1st Seiyu Awards
I personally agree with your rationale on your recent PROD of the 1st Seiyu Awards article, but I WP:REFUNDed it because it should be handled as a set with the other 13 articles on the award ceremony (see Seiyu Awards). IMO, either merging to the main article or deletion would likely be the outcome of such a discussion. — Goszei (talk) 01:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/1st Seiyu Awards has been opened. Please don't consider this canvassing, it is merely due to the fact that it is of relevance and per your request so I am letting you know as a courtesy. -- The SandDoctor Talk 03:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:The Rolling Stones Tongue and Mouth


Hello, TheSandDoctor. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "The Rolling Stones Tongue and Mouth".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 22:42, 29 October 2020 (UTC)