User talk:The Pink Oboe

Great work with Belle Vue Zoo
Don't forget though that everything needs to be cited. It's difficult to think back months later and wonder where you came across something. Anyway. keep up the good work. --Malleus Fatuorum 18:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ;) --The Pink Oboe (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello there. =)
I have received no complaints from wikipedia administrators about my added photos in the List of The Sword of Truth characters characters. Apparently they were accepted because they are promotional pics, in low-resolution, cited, and followed all copyright guidelines when it comes to those types of photos. When I do get complaints from them personally, I will remove the photos myself and revert it to the last version. But for now, please don't touch the page while I contact the admin. Thank you. --Kit the Kat (talk) 07:02, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to learn about Fair Use Rationals before you post them there again. FUR images are not usually accepted on List articles. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 18:23, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Family Guy
Hello There Yes Season 10 Family Guy Has Not Started But There is a DVD Of Family Guy Season 10 ?

http://igossip.com/gossip/FG_S_x/1453178 — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoganWalker (talk • contribs) 18:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The British series 10 is US series 9 and came about because UK TV split season 5 for some reason or another, as a result every series after that has been 1 out from the official season number. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 23:33, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

FontForge
I am trying to extract the Uni1F600Emoticons (TrueType) font from U1F600 Emoticons.pdf (which is the decrypted version of the original Unicode chart U1F600). But FontForge abruptly shuts down the moment I select Uni1F600Emoticons font. While I can extract majority of the embedded fonts, there are some fonts like this one that FontForge fails to extract. I've installed all the dependencies of FontForge. See if you can extract the font, and if you can just send me the font. Is something wrong with FontForge or is it my installation? Regards. – ∃   Aditya   7   ¦  14:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was able to extract the font okay, but ran into the usual problem of extracting a font from a PDF, i.e. Distiller throws away a lot of useful info when embedding the font, especially when it's only a subset. As a result it took a lot of messing about with the font before I discovered that the missing info was in fact the unicode data. So using the actual numbering constructs from the PDF I'm going through each character and giving it its correct unicode reference. It's going to take a while though so please bear with me. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It is fine if you can generate the font without spending too much time numbering/referencing the glyphs. I have no clue why my installation doesn't extract it. I decrypted the original Unicode chart U1F600 using a command-line utility called pdfcrypt 1.0. There is also an online version of pdfcrypt 1.0 at witwall.com –  ∃   Aditya   7   ¦  04:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Flag of the United Kingdom of Fiji 1871-1874.svg


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Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop
Thanks, I've replied there. J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

AAGPBL
I altered it to match the version that was used when the league was still up and running and think it should be at that version - that one was used widely on baseball cards at that era - why do you object? Connormah (talk) 02:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I reverted it because that wasn't the version that I worked from originally. Also that isn't the version that's the same as the source given. I used the official website version (which I actually think looks better) also the version that was suggested in the workshope after the original image disappeared. Not to mention the fact it took me a while to match the gradient :). May I suggest that if you wish to use your version then you change the source. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 13:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I can upload under a new filename - thanks for clarification. Connormah (talk) 16:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Revert of Pink Floyd Edit
If you can't use Wikipedia as a source, how do you easily source the sources within a Wikipedia article without having to reference dozens of sources?Guyburns (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there is no "easily", and you have to find suitable individual sources for whatever it is you want to add into an article. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 16:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Fomitiporia ellipsoidea/archive1
Hey, just to let you know I mentioned you in the nomination statement. J Milburn (talk) 11:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion for FWC_logoMedmRes.jpg
Hello Pink Oboe. The logo uploaded was to be used at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Worlds_Center. The page was still in the special space, but it has now been moved to the main space. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FWC_logoMedmRes.jpg Maryafrika (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This is why I didn't put a speedy delete request in. I'd noticed that you were working on your article in your sandbox, this is why I used a 7 day deletion request so that you would have time to finish your sandbox work. Having said that you aren't supposed to use FUR images on articles in user space. You are supposed to finish the article, move it to main space then upload the image and then link to it. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 17:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Japanese Knife Diagram
Thanks! Please see my response at Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop. Appreciate your work on this. Kaldari (talk) 01:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Lolicon image
What's your opinion on the lolicon image? Do you think it would be appropriate to feature on the Main Page? It was only last year that Fox News was accusing Wikipedia of being a den of pedophiles. Somehow I don't think this would help our case. Kaldari (talk) 03:13, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest I know nothing of animé so have no idea what the intended affect is, but personally I find this picture cute rather than sexual. It's not as if the girls are swapping dildos or anything. So yes I'd say stick it on the main page page as an FA. If people are offended then it's their own dirty, but repressed, minds that are offending them. And as is said repeatedly, Wikipedia is not censored. Go for it. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 10:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just dropping by, I thought I'd leave a little feedback too. A featured picture is not always put on the main page, as noted by WP:POTD. For example, the semi-nude Michele Merkin was not used as it was found "too cheesy". Picture of the day/Unused notes several pictures that were not used because they depict too much gore or are of a scatological nature. A featured picture rating is essentially indicating that the community feels that the image is of high quality and high encyclopedic value. On a side note, POTD seems to be up to Howcheng.
 * Thanks for taking up the trace, Pink Oboe. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * First a reply to Pink Oboe: As explained at lolicon, the image is intended to be erotic. It's not just people's "dirty, but repressed, minds" at issue here. Reply to Crisco: What is the point of nominating it for featured picture if it isn't to actually be featured? Just to cause more drama? Kaldari (talk) 00:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As noted at WP:FP: "[Featured pictures] highlights images that the Wikipedia community finds beautiful, stunning, impressive, or informative". Being put on WP:POTD is not the only reason to nominate a picture for FP status. As noted above, several FPs could never be used on the main page. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:07, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * For the sake of clarity and discussion, I have already prepared a rationale for the nomination. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, although apart from the obvious "kiddie porn" lightning rod issue, I would also like to bring up our systemic biases of anime obsession and only featuring nude/sexualized images that are appealing to heterosexual males. One of the main reasons I appreciate English Wikipedia's featured images so much more than the ones on Commons is because we actually make an effort to get beyond cliché internet geek culture. Anyway, I guess there's no point trying to dissuade you. If you really want to jump into the lion pit, I guess you're entitled to do so :) Kaldari (talk) 04:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Pink Oboe, I was just wondering if you have taken up the retrace of the image. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:42, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Quick Request
Hi, any chance you could try to match the text on this previous graphic lab request I made a month ago? Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 04:55, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Pink Floyd vandalism
Your accusations of vandalism towards us are completely inappropriate. In all articles relating to this band they are referred to as an "English (progressive) rock band", see e.g. the FEATURED ARTICLE The Dark Side of the Moon. Now one editor is trying to change some of these references to "British". He is the vandal, not us. Regards. 81.83.139.130 (talk) 17:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Us? For the record I haven't accused you or anyone else of vandalism. I left a templated message warning you of the 3-Revert rule which you breached. Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, 4 reverts in 24hrs (as you did) is a blockable offence. I left you the message to avoid you dropping yourself further in the shite. If you want to think I was accusing you of vandalism then please free, it's no skin off my nose. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 19:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your concern. Not to worry though, we have enough WP editing experience to take care of ourselves and don't need any help from a unexperienced editor like you. Regards. 81.83.139.130 (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The word you were actually looking for was "inexperienced" but given your editing experience I'm sure you knew that. If indeed you are the mighty editor then I am surprised that you've continued on for 5 reversions now. But who am I, a lowly sub-1000 edit editor? Your above average experience is being demonstrated admirably and I applaud you for it. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 19:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I have stopped changing David Gilmour to British now. Although any edit I do on a Pink Floyd Article is reverted by 81.83.139.130, it is so annoying! Willrocks10 (talk) 11:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Image request
Hi, I'm afraid I don't know a raster from a vector, and am not sure where to pop the request. I would welcome your assistance and give permission for you to edit my text as you see fit if you'd like to move it to the right place. It's the page 6 diagram of the station for the request I've made, the one with all the modules.

A separate smaller job, a piechart the same as you referred to, and an identical chart made from the information on page 9 of this document would be further down on my wishlist.

It's the diagram showing what the station will look like in 4 years that will last a long time and have the most application, and do the most good. Penyulap  talk 02:39, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Request
The Pink Oboe, could you please take this request: FESFUT logo. Thank you. Jaime070996 22:20, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll have a go when I get a chance. I'm currently very busy with work, along with other requests from the Image Workshop. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 08:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please. Jaime070996 22:23, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm working on it at the moment, it'll be ready tomorrow. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thank you so much. I want it to go nicely with the "Good Article". Jaime070996 22:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ --The Pink Oboe (talk) 11:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The Pink Oboe, I love how it looks. But, is there any way that you can match it with the other one where it says: "Federación Salvadoreña de Fútbol". Also, can you add an accent mark in the O in Seleccion (Ó). I like where it says: El Salvador; it is curved very nicely. Regards. Jaime070996 02:48, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Those characters aren't on the original, the original is all uppercase with no diacritics (other than the Ñ), but I can put them on the new one if you so desire --The Pink Oboe (talk) 09:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * All uppercase. Like this: FEDERACIÓN SALVADOREŇA DE FÚTBOL. So, diacritics on the O, N, and U—for proper Spanish usage. And, could you make the lettering stretch like it is in the original one. Jaime070996 23:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Now which "original one" are we talking about here? The 2 images you pointed me at originally didn't have diacritics and don't have letters stretched differently than I've done it. We may be at cross-purposes here. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 00:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Elsalvador.png. Differ your version and that one and you will notice that the lettering is stretched out. Please just add the diacritics. Jaime070996 00:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * All sorted hopefully. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 01:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Hammersoft
Since you do not wish to keep a civil tongue in your discourse with me, then stay off my talk page. The thread has been removed, and no further discussion from you is required, asked for, or wanted. Stay off my talk page. Good day, --Hammersoft (talk) 00:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't behave like a tosser, if you stay away from the IW page I'll stay away from your page. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 01:03, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Hammersoft problem
You might have some fun at Graphic Lab Talk, as well as seeing his ego on my talk page as well.  Fry1989  eh? 21:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:NFCC
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regardless of that, I will be quite blunt, though. If there are any more examples of you knowingly violating the NFCC#9 policy and/or any more violations of civility such as those given at the WP:ANI discussion you will be blocked. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As you have been refreshingly blunt let me be the same. Keep that dick Hammersoft away from the Illustration Workshop. He's fucking up the works totally when it isn't necessary too. We have given him two methods of dealing with NFCC#9 violations without destroying the functionality of the workshop. He refuses to use them. So yes I will continue to revert his fucking up of the workshop page. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

October 2011
You have been blocked from editing for 24 hours for personal attacks. I thought the warning was quite clear; responding to it by calling another editor (who was editing within policy) a "dick" is completely unacceptable, as were your previous civility violations. Not only that, but you gave an undertaking that you would continue to violate our non-free policy, which is not acceptable from an experienced user. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:36, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

The dick who is editing with policy is also editing out of policy, by being arrogant, lazy and fucking up the functionality of the Image Workshop. His worrying obsession with NFCC#9 is his excuse for being a twat. he is deliberately making the workshop non-functional. For the IW to work properly we have to be able to either see or be able to link to the image being requested. Now Mr Dick esq comes along, deletes both the image and the link making the request impossible to deal with unless we go looking for an invisible comment hidden in the source code of the request. In spite of being told of 2 methods of maintaining NFCC#9 compliance and maintaining IW functionality Hammersoft refuses to use them. One of the methods only involves putting a colon at the front of the link. But will Hammersoft do this? No, he has refused point blank. This I firmly definitely and firmly puts him in the "dick" category. His arrogance, his laziness, his Borg-like obsession with NFCC#9 and his truculence are disrupting a valuable resource with WP for no purpose. I would be grateful if you could copy and paste this as a response to his accusations at the incident board. Especially now you've effectively stopped me posting there. This is not an unblock request as I don't care one way or another, it's WP's loss if I can't sort out image requests for 24hrs, it's not my loss. This is a request though that Hammersoft either stays away from the IW or that he implements the methods we've informed him of. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I will copy this across for you. But really, however much you believe you're in the right, yet again calling the other editor a "dick" isn't helping.  Take a look at your last few edit summaries.  This would have been far better resolved at WP:DR or a similar location. Black Kite (t) (c) 23:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Quite frankly nothing is helping due to his arrogance and truculence. He keeps getting called a dick as he is acting like one, over and over. In my view that makes him one. Thank you for posting my comment over to the IB. Incidentally, what makes you think a block will cure anything? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 23:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It probably won't, but you must've known that responding to a completely justified incivility warning with more of the same would have a predictable result, no? I was actually hoping that you might undertake to stop doing it, in which case I wouldn't have any objection to an unblock. Black Kite (t) (c) 23:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We do not expect people to be happy about being blocked, and give them certain lattitude during the block. That said, you're WAY WAY WAY over the line here, in more ways than one.  I am locking your talk page access during the remainder of the block so that you don't dig yourself into an indefinite block.
 * What you chose to do when you return from the block is up to you, but I urge you to rethink your attitude towards other contributors. This is not acceptable behavior and will be terminated in a very short time period if you keep it up.  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 23:21, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You do realise that TPO uses a VPN to connect don't you? Your autoblock has messed up a lot of people. GWB didn't you think Black Kite could handle this without wading in with your civility police blue lights and sirens going? Personally I would be deeply insulted if I were BK. --64.9.146.139 (talk) 23:31, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Peter Cook
I don't want to clog up AN/I any more, but have to take issue with your statement that "At that time Cook wasn't as well appreciated as he was later on, that and the fact he was considered to be more a comedian's comedian than the public's". The Pete 'n' Dud sketches were well established, and you don't get much more public than those! Absconded Northerner (talk) 00:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What I was referring to is The Goon Show. The Pink Oboe was the main ne'er do well spy character in one of the shows. My old decrepit mind won't allow me to remember which one, but it will come back to me eventually. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 00:56, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? I don't recall that one. Still, it gives me an excuse to listen to my old Goon Show tapes! I can certainly believe that Milligan would do something like that. Absconded Northerner (talk) 08:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

please vectorized


Alokprasad84 (talk) 18:39, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Already have done mate :) --The Pink Oboe (talk) 18:42, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussion regarding content
If you are interested please join the discussion. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Dicrastic muscle
The reason I changed the way the wording of the page was because you could basically combine the two areas into a more formal introduction. Can I change it back please?Gatorfan6 (talk) 23:49, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

CIS Tower
Hi, I am a bit confounded by the tag, I didn't think my English was that bad, care to elaborate? You should have seen it before I started :-)--J3Mrs (talk) 10:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know who wrote what so I apologise if the forthcoming description describes your contributions. The lede's grammar, for example, before I edited it last night was abysmal, but rather than nitpick, or pass blame, I'll edit the bits I think are sub-par. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 12:09, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not much wrong with it really is there? Just a bit of reorganisation. :-)Shall I remove the tag? There's much, much worse with GM banners too.:-(--J3Mrs (talk) 12:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just done a session on the page, so if you feel I haven't broken anything then please feel free to remove it. I've just been looking through some of the cites and there's a fair few more facts that could be used to bolster the page. I'd do it myself but I'm stuck for time at the moment. Maybe later I can do some more. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, forgot to say. It wasn't so much the grammar that was wrong, although some of it included technically correct wording, but it was a little awkward and put the emphasis on the wrong things. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 12:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Some of the cites are indeed interesting, I'm glad my grammar is passable.:-) I have tried hard to avoid close paraphrasing which isn't always easy. At least it's not tabloid. I only edited it because I got a bank statement & then I saw it on my way into Manchester Victoria and it reminded me of coming home from college just after the steam trains stopped :-)--J3Mrs (talk) 12:51, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Razor Logo
Awesome! Thank you :) Ock Raz   talk  16:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!
Those Scout badges are fantastic, thank you masked man!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

request
Can I ask you to blank and request deletion of your recently created redirect - I see the comedy aspect but its demeaning a working and in some situations part of the dispute resolution process - thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 19:13, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I will nominate it for WP:MFD - shame ot have the added disruption though. Off2riorob (talk) 19:17, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to be a miserable bugger then go for it. Comedic or not I think exactly as I called it. WQA (the most patronising and ineffectual region of the lower depths of WP) smacks of "Running to Mommy" for the thinnest skin editors of WP who need to grow up, take it on the chin and move on. So to answer your question, no I don't feel the need to delete it. Thanks for asking though. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 19:23, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your the childish bugger - you are the one that wants to grow up. You pissy arsed fucker. Off2riorob (talk) 19:25, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * G'wan, leave it there, I'm not offended, actually it quite tickled my funny bone. Do you feel better for getting it off yourchest? heheheh. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ¿Por qué no te callas? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I only listen to Kings Madame (and Pink Floyd of course) :p --The Pink Oboe (talk) 19:54, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Run to Mommy listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Run to Mommy. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:Run to Mommy redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Off2riorob (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

September 11 attacks
You have some kind of problem? If somebody told you are creative they lied. You are making the page look like crap.7mike5000 (talk) 02:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If someone told you I gave a shit what you thought they lied. Meanwhile back in reality if I was being creative I'd ditch half the images instead of having to move them around per mos:image and to stop text sandwiching. Now bugger off and let me get on with it.--The Pink Oboe (talk) 02:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What you are doing is called vandalism and I couldn't give a rats' ass about your per:MOs Why is it always the peckerheads who can't write anything that have to eff everything up? Try writing something you obnoxious ass. 02:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Trust a yank to not understand the definition of simple words. Now you may have a widescreen monitor but not everyone who reads WP has one, and that article had so much text sandwiching it was unbelievable. Now dipshit let me educate you, making edits that comply with MoS aren't vandalism. Now quit with the WP:OWN and go find another country to invade. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 02:25, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A "Yank" started Wikipedia. It is incredibly easy talking crap over the internet its like having beer balls isn't it?. Sitting in your mom's basement eating Twinkies. Let other people decide if your the Picasso you think you are. 7mike5000 (talk) 02:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Although I like Twinkies I suggest you don't judge me by your values, you'd get it wrong time after time. As for my design expertise, well I really don't give a shit what you think, you aren't paying me anything, neither is your beloved Jimbo. As for sticking oversized images in horizontal format in an article that's already image heavy is not your finest hour either my little American motormouth. And yes a Yank did invent Wikipedia...and just look how totally fucked up it is. We can always count on you guys for that. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 02:40, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I hit the nail right on the head you seem like the Twinkie type. That was started by an American too. There is a talk page you can try utilizing it beforehand. But you thrive on animosity...and Twinkies. 7mike5000 (talk) 02:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All hail the US, the inventors of the Twinkie. Maybe that's why you think everything is so wide, what with the level of obesity in your fair country. In the rest of the world outside Fortress America though, everything isn't as wide. So stuffing an article to the brim with not very relevant images and then because it is so full to have to resort to packing them in sideways is a good way to fuck things up. I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you why an article as large and as important as that is only B-rated? It's because of editors like you who think they know what they are doing. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 11:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

November 2011
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. ''This edit is unacceptable behavior. '' Jimbo Wales (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If I was attacking you you'd know it, that was a personal opinion of your disgraceful behaviour. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 12:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Jimbo's talkpage
Before anyone decides to decorate my talk page with another bloody 3RR template. I have no intention of replacing my comment (even the self-censored one) back on his majesty's talk page. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 14:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Dude..
what was that for? You need to take a break. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 14:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was just helping his majesty to speed things up for him, as he's an obviously busy man. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 14:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Db-g14


A tag has been placed on Template:Db-g14 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

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 * I deleted it under T2, actually, as there is no criterion G14. Please do not recreate this template.  If you desire a change to speedy deletion policy, please raise your concern at WT:CSD, rather than simply creating a template for a criterion that doesn't exist.  Or, if you want to dispute a specific deletion, raise your concern at WP:DRV.  Thank you.   lifebaka ++ 14:25, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Jimbo's Unilateralism
No need for any counter-measures. I'm done making my point, I am now going back to quietly helping the Image Workshop do its thing. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 14:25, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Personal attacks and incivility
I see that you have previously been blocked for personal attacks, and yet you have continued, both during the block and afterwards. A few recent examples are this, this, this, and this. If you continue you may be blocked again, without any further notice. Please be civil to oteher editors. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * @JamesBWatson, you are not helping with the tone. TPO has already disengaged from the conflict, so your timing is again too late.
 * Further, you are addressing a person rather than filling in fields in a database.
 * Try coming back in a week, when PO is a bit cooler, and try a lighter touch.
 * Try emulating GeorgeWHerbert, who tries to put himself in the other person's place, when writing about civility, and his civil intention and good will make his interventions unusually effective.
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz 15:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Firstly, you don't have to do everything Jimbo says you know. Secondly, three of those diffs relate to my response to being personally attacked by another editor (who is also known for 'incivility'). Now he didn't complain, and I haven't complained so what are you doing here? As for the comment to Jimbo, that was neither incivility nor a personal 'attack'. He is just a programmer, and as far as I'm aware he isn't a god (much as I'm sure he would like to be one). This was all part of a comment on his behaviour; you know, just like WP:CIVIL suggests. Given that he threw accepted procedure out the window then he is entitled to the occasional reminder that he walks on the ground, just like the rest of us. So there you go. So now, what preventative punishment are you going to bestow, rather than punitive actions for past behaviour. And if you suggest that past behaviour is a reason to believe future behaviour is worth a block, then may I point out that I only ever reply in kind, I don't make the first strike. I respond with like. All clear now? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Mr. Pink Oboe please don't get yourself blocked. I think it is quite refreshing that we call each other stuff like asswipe, buttmunch, dickwad, dickface and the like without either of us crying. I think we should start a new category: People who don't mind getting called asswipe, buttmunch, dickwad and dickface once in a while because it's fun to do. We can have a weekly get together to blow off steam and say rude obnoxious and vulgar things to each other without worrying about getting blocked. For instance you can say:"Mike you are an ignorant American asshole". Then I can say:"Bugger off you untalented dickwad." So cool out with other people. Mike the  Yank
 * Flag of the United States.svg.S. here is a genuine American Flag of your very own. You can tell it's a real American flag because it's Made in China. Mike the Yank


 * Being an adult these things just wash off me, which is my point. There are so many adults on this website that just want to moan and whinge like a little kid because someone called them a name. Perhaps the redirect should have been "Grow the fuck up and grow a pair!"? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 15:55, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The gesture02.jpg I agree to a certain degree (<rhyme), I personally don't give a shit if somebody calls me a name, as long as I get to say something back without the crybaby B.S. Anyway dickhead Smiley.svg I have to go now, I'm actually going to be walking right by Ground Zero. USA # One

You have been blocked for 48 hours for personal attacks, more specifically. Fram (talk) 18:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for violating Wikipedia policy. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest this block by replying here on your |talk page by adding the text. You may also email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list instead, or mail.


 * First Unblock review: Below contempt.
 * The stated reason (with diff) for the block was bullshit. Therefore, the eager-to-please reviewing administrator makes up other reasons for the block (without even citing diffs).
 * The second shows appropriate concern with documenting behavior, and is written in a friendly but firm tone. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 19:50, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

SPI WebHamster
FYI - Sockpuppet investigations/WebHamster - Off2riorob (talk) 15:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * This is idiotic. That stalker tool only shows concordant edits and ignores discordant edits (pages edited by exactly one editor). This also looks like retaliatory harassment. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 15:48, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * My it must be so frustrating for you, all this administrative work (rather than actually doing anything of note in article space) and yet you still aren't an admin. I'm sure if you keep cosying up to Jimbo and other politically-correct admins you'll get there in the end. Mind you you'd have to go through an RFA, and with the amount of people you've pissed off that might be a bit of a gauntlet for you to pass. All the best for when you do try it though. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 15:50, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not a big supporter of "civility blocks" but you are on the verge of making me a convert. Do you have to be so rude and nasty to everyone? Do you have to belittle an entire nation just to make a point in a Wikipedia conversation? Have you ever heard the saying "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"? When you are this rude it makes you be taken less seriously by others. It's hard to give any respect to a person who insults and belittles everyone around them and makes petty nationalistic put-downs like your "twinkie" remarks. You probably won't believe this and will choose to hurl insults at me as well, but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * American? yup, thought so. Now please go and judge someone else you don't know. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See, I don't see what my nationality has to do with it, or why you feel the need to belittle Americans in order to make a point. If you have a point, it should stand on it's own. But whatever, be a troll instead and nobody will take you seriously because you have the compulsive need to insult everyone around you. Have a nice life. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:55, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * When someone's having a go at me I use the best tools to do the job. If you were a patriotic Lithuanian then I'd be taking the piss out of Lithuanians and not yanks. I could have made some remarks about having two heads but you would have just felt rewarded for having come here and and stuck it to poor old Pink. Like everybody else you just see the effect, not the cause. So as I said previously go find someone else you don;t know and go to their page and judge them. If that's not uncivil I don't know what is. Like all the other Civil Police you're a hypocrite. Have a nice day. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 18:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

The truth hurts (those who don't like it)
Sorry to see you're going through this. Parrot of Doom 20:54, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like programmer/money manager is the bar of ludicrousy to beat. The bar previous held by "sycophant", previous holder our beloved colleague MF. Not only is WP circling the pan I think someone just flushed.
 * I'm very tempted to create WP:RUNTOMUMMY, after all this is the English Wikipedia, not the American Wikipedia. Parrot of Doom 22:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well Mummy was my first thought, but then I thought "Mommy" so the Yanks could understand. They should just be grateful my first profane thoughts weren't included! We'll have to think up a good 'un for RfA. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You're a very naughty boy. Parrot of Doom 14:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The funny thing is that no-one has a said a thing, much less created all the drama I had to put up with, about the Run to Daddy redirect. I wonder if it's hypocrisy or sexism? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 18:20, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Seriously...
That was a bloody bad tempered argument all round. Next time, just kick the cat or something (waits for hordes of Wikikittens to descend in wrath). Seriously, I understand the frustration here, but banging on does guarantee that someone is eventually going to pull out the red card. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for being the voice of reason, it's very much appreciated. At least it will be a story to tell my grandkids when they are old enough to edit here...should it not have imploded by then. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's hope reason will prevail all round. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:03, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Vector images
It'd be off-topic for me to reply where you posted it, but you're an SVG guru? I could use some assistance in that area if you have the time and inclination. 28bytes (talk) 21:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call myself a guru, but I do know my way round Illustrator. Any time you need any help in that direction please feel free to ask away. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate it. I uploaded this image a while back, which would be ideally suited for a vector redraw. Being a n00b at such things, I tried to do this in Notepad, which worked perfectly (source here), except that the font I'd chosen wasn't supported by the MW software, and thus the PNG previews rendered incorrectly. Is there a way to convert the text to paths so the SVG won't be dependent on a font? 28bytes (talk) 21:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not much of one for getting my hands dirty writing svg code by hand, although some of what I do could be achieved by that method but I'd hate to have to do the number crunching required for the rest of my output. I noticed that, strangely, you used print sizes for dimensions rather than pixel sizes. This would make it difficult to open in a vector editor such as Illustrator, or $deity-forbid Inkscape, because all the strokes become increased and totally trash the images. But I digress. Converting text into paths is easyish, after all they are just shapes defined by the letters. Basically you'd just map out a polygon in the shape of the character, although some of the text would need to be compound shapes due to having holes in them. The easiest way would be to use a vector program and tell it to do the outlining. That said hand-coding produces much less bloated code at the price of time spent. Another workround would be to reposition the text and use a pseudo-universal font like Arial (I note you use Arial Narrow Bold) which is recognised by the renderer and pretty much most computers on the net. I hope that helps a little. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 10:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Should be straightforward enough to convert the sizes into pixels; I'll have to think about whether to hand-code the letters or go shopping for a vector program. 28bytes (talk) 15:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Inkscape is free and many people like it, on the other hand many people don't e.g. me, but I'm so used to Adobe software having used it since the early 90s. You can always do as I do, regardless of the software I've used to create it, in that I always tweak the code by hand (Notepad++, also free) before uploading it.--The Pink Oboe (talk) 17:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll give that a try. I was an early 90s Adobe guy myself (PageMaker, Freehand) but free is always good. 28bytes (talk) 17:46, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I had Freehand but never really used it, but I used Pagemaker a lot, though I have to say InDesign is now my favourite piece of software to use :). I think it was Photoshop v2.5 I started on, the one just before layers were added to it. I didn't use vector graphics in those days, and on the odd occasion I did, I used, of all things, Autodesk. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 18:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Notification of RfD
There is currently a discussion at Redirects_for_discussion you might be interested in. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 00:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

RfD
Calm down.  HurricaneFan 25  18:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've already had my laptop destroyed an hour ago by my dogs and I'm just in the mood for dealing with admin wannabees. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ANI.  HurricaneFan 25  18:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, right, like anything that goes to ANI gets sorted in the best way. BTW which was the attack? The "hyperbole" or the "fart in the room" or the "who the fuck do you think you are"? I truly don't understand how the minds of the political-correctness brigade works. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand that you're not in the mood for dealing with "admin wannabees". Well, I am an admin, so you can deal with me. To answer your question, "All of the above." These comments are inappropriate and unacceptable in Wikipedia discussion pages. Wikipedia's atmosphere of mutual respect and collaboration is essential to building the encyclopedia and so treating your fellow editors with respect and common courtesy is not optional. If circumstances in your off-line life are preventing you from conducting yourself professionally then you may want to consider taking a break. We would very much like you to continue to make constructive contributions to articles and related discussions. causa sui (talk) 18:52, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "Professionally"? Where do I pick up my pay cheque? "Collegial atmosphere", yeah right, that's working well isn't it. If people leave me the fuck alone, I'll leave them the fuck alone, it's a simple concept. I am sick to fucking death of people at this debate assuming bad faith and authoritatively deciding what was in my head when I created the redirect. And you expet me to extend respect to these people? What planet are you from, I don't respect them one iota. As far as I'm concerned they were not attacks, believe me you'd know it if I set out to "attack" someone (a very overused phrase on WP in order to justify all sorts of complaints). For example, the dig about farting in the room and leaving us to it is actually quite accurate. Yesterday Off2riorob was running round will-nilly going to every venue he could to drum up more and more drama. Then today he disappears. Now that, to me, is quite a legitimate analogy. Then when he does show up one of the first things he does is template my talk page with a 3RR warning. he knows I know the rules, he also knows it would piss me off and he also knows what my reaction would be, and you want me to respect a shit-stirrer like that? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 19:04, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Blocked
This account is blocked indefinitely for disruptive editing. There are three distinct concerns:


 * 1)  The account's own behavior.
 * 2)  The username is highly inappropriate for a collaborative project.
 * 3)  There is a strong appearance that this is the same user as User:WebHamster, an indefinitely blocked account.  A checkuser might provide evidence of a technical connection.

Do not unblock without consulting me, or WP:ANI for a thorough discussion and consensus. Jehochman Talk 19:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * His behaviour (not that I consider it a problem) is in no way less acceptable than that of User:Jimbo Wales, who marched into an ongoing discussion, gave his opinion, then acted on it. Judging by the subsequent fallout, Jimbo's actions have proved far more disruptive, but I very much doubt you'll be warning or blocking him, eh? Parrot of Doom 19:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I've never understood the purpose of an indefinite block (or ban for that matter). If a user wants to keep editing then they merely create a new account, or have one ready for when the axe drops. And even if they get caught socking, again, what's the worst they can do? Oh yes, an indef. So my question is, why bother? Is a real bone fide adult going to be worried by time on the time-out chair? Is it a threat that works? I rather doubt it, so again why bother? the problem with political correctness is that it takes away all your ammunition. So again, why bother? As I said, I've never understood why. I also find the dichotomy amusing that the powers-that-be are worried about productive volunteers leaving in droves and not having enough replacements, yet simultaneously deliberately driving away productive editors because they have a few digs involving fart gags. A very strange methodology. My "civility" maybe suspect but you can't fault my productivity, both here and on commons. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 20:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Oboe--I am the perpetual latecomer to any party. Sorry I missed it. FWIW, I thought your remark on Rob farting in the room was funny and harmless enough, but I'm never around when the shit goes down. Now that your Hamster-ness is established as well, let me add that as an older and wiser Drmies I wouldn't be picking fights with that creature this time around. I saw your note at the bottom of this page, with some remarks about a conditional return of sorts--I'm way too low on the totem pole to suggest anything valid or useful that anyone would listen to, but I hope you can work something out with someone. And if you come back as a sock, just put your name on my talk page in invisible ink so I'll know, and I'll welcome you (also invisibly, of course--you'll have the good taste not to mention that I spoke to you). Let me know if you'd like me to blow some hot air somewhere. Drmies (talk) 03:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Comments from a bemused (not amused, bemused) observer
TPO: I was slightly tempted to unblock (and probably lose my admin bit), not because the block was unreasonable, but because Hochman's arrogant "Do not unblock without consulting me, or WP:ANI for a thorough discussion and consensus" bullshit really gets my goat. However, I just can't: in spite of the fact that there are some red herrings in the block rationale, the fact is, you've been acting in a way that is pretty much guaranteed to get you blocked, and so over the top that an unblock is simply not possible right now. I think UltraExactZZ is spot on here. I know I would recommend that much more than trying to outplay whack-a-sock with the admin corps.

POD: As far as warning and blocking Jimbo: I won't warn Jimbo, or block him, because it would not stick, would probably lose me my admin bit, and would make me look like an impotent fool. Of course Jimbo was disruptive and acted improperly, of course there will be no consequences. Those are the benefits of status, in every single on- and off-line society I have ever seen. If an artist calls a duke a fool, and the duke smacks him in the head, the artist gets put in jail. If a duke calls an artist a fool and the artist smacks him in the head, the artist still gets put in jail. I cannot change that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is my standing policy that admins are welcome to reverse my blocks, unless I add my stylish and bombastic remark to the block notice. That is the case here. Carry on.  Jehochman Talk 23:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah but you see, I'm not requesting to be unblocked straight away, there are far too many cards stacked against me for that. That and the fact I don't believe I have been as bad as I've been accused of so I can't really make any genuine offers of remorse. In my real life social world I would have done nothing out of the ordinary much less been accused of "attacking" someone. I talk here as I talk in the real world and this is accepted behaviour. To my eyes the requirements of WP make no sense whatsoever. They try to be all things to all men and end up being nothing to anyone. This "collegial atmosphere", it's a myth, it doesn't exist, it won't ever exist (not because I say it won't, or as I've accused of trying to negate) and in fact it's actually transmogrified into a threat "you can't behave like that in a collegiate atmosphere, change or I'll block you". It's become ammunition for the passive-aggressive and politically correct to control us proles. Likewise civility, or rather uncivility—is that even a real word?—or rather the accusation of it has now come a method in which to win an argument and has been used so often that the bar has become so low that calling someone a programmer is now deemed to be a personal attack. All in all something big needs to be done about civility issue, it has become ridiculous. So much so that people from my rough and uncouth culture don't stand a chance. Why is it that we have to cater for the lowest denominator, why can't they change enough to have a compromise. At this rate behind the scenes is going to become the equivalent of a Victorian living room populated by the tea total league. Oh yes, I had the exact same thought about Jonathan's arrogance. I have to say too, that it's a little embarrassing to be indeffed by someone who looks like that. Passive-aggressive keyboard commando anyone? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 21:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You're wrong. There is, in fact, a collegial atmosphere here. Your best bet is to try to improve that collegial atmosphere rather than trying to work against it. Compare it with your school or job. When you're in a group, you're not always going to get along, and sometimes harsh words can be exchanged. But ultimately you succeed by working together. That same model works here, when the participants agree to try to make it work. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You obviously didn't go to the sort of schools I went to (in the 60s and 70s) of all the adjectives that could be used to describe them collegiate wouldn't even be on the page. you see this is the problem. The whimsy of wanting this Shangri-La comes from a totally different culture than mine, and it's somewhat related to the innocent, yet parochial, white picket fence syndrome. Perhaps if WP was Americans only then maybe you'd be in with a chance, but it's not and I'm afraid that there's a tad bit of the US propensity for thinking that 'we're doing it the right way so you must do it this way too'. And contrary to what you may believe I'm not working against it. I'm not working against anything. I'm not a team player hence my request to "be left the fuck alone". Ultimately Wikipedia is about people creating articles and images to educate and perhaps to entertain, it isn't about turning us into braindead thin-skinned zombies who dare not say what they're thinking for the fear of offending someone. And further to that I'm willing to put it out there that the majority of good editors who come here aren't team players, they are natural loners but are good at what they know and do. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 21:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Postscript: If this place does indeed have the collegiate atmosphere you suggest it has, then why are ANI and your average RfA the equivalent of a rabid dogfight? The don't seem so collegiate to me, yet what, if anything, has been done to make them "collegiate" and "professional"? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 23:09, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Where are you getting this "collegiate" from? The word is collegial. Think of colleague - someone you're working with, toward a common goal, in this case the improvement of wikipedia for the benefit of the readers. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies, unfortunately over the last few months I find I'm mixing words up and their meanings. It's not something I can do much about currently I'm afraid. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 02:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * (ec) You're clearly reading the messages posted here, but you don't seem to be understanding their point - you can't personally attack other editors. You can't be incivil to them, because WP:CIVILITY is a core requirement of all editors on this site. Your analogies of conduct here versus the real world are false; different rules apply. The rules here say that you can't act as you're acting. Your response is to attack another editor for his appearance. This is where I highlight another facet of the blocking system - the one that permits an admin to prevent you from editing your talk page for the duration of the block. Please remove the personal attack in the last line of your post, or it's likely that I or another admin will remove your ability to do so. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 21:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course I'm reading the messages, but I get the feeling you aren't reading mine properly. I both know and understand what it is you are saying, but what you fail to realise that by making volunteers behave in a way they find natural and in a way they aren't used to is bordering on cruelty, yet 'you' want more people to come and join the editing team. The more people you have the lower and lower the common denominator becomes. People like me from my social culture have to make the most radical changes yet the lowest common denominator have to make no changes whatsoever, and no latitude is given to us. We have to buck up or piss off. The way it's going everyone will be shit scared of saying anything in case they get blocked by an admin of the aforesaid lowest common denominator thin-skinned ilk for be uncivil...and it's bloody incivility by the way, it's really annoying that an encyclopaedia uses made up words, like 'wikiquette'. So gobby twats like me aren't wanted, even though I'm a productive editor, but thin-skinned quiet mice who aren't productive and spend all their time at WQA are wanted? If you ask me that's Fucking nuts, with a capital F. Anyway, is it any wonder people like me burn out when we are expected to behave so unnaturally? Incidentally, although you can stop TPO writing on the talkpage, you can't stop me, the person. your omnipotence as an admin only goes so far I'm afraid. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 21:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * PS. I thought it was rather incumbent on me to diss the admin who just sentenced me to life. That's usually what happens in these cases isn't it? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * TPO: It's difficult, but not that difficult. I talk shit with my friends, but don't do it at work. I can say fuck off to my friend, but if I did that to the cashier at the supermarket, it would be mean and cruel, and if I did it to a traffic cop it would be stupid, and if I said it to my kid it would make me an asshole. Tailoring your words to the situation is something I'm sure you do offline, even if you have to grit your teeth while you do it, and in the real world and online you sometimes have to bite your tongue a little.  I don't agree with the hysteria that accompanies every mention of the word "arse" on wikipedia, but that doesn't mean I think "anything goes" would work either.  I've got loads of other patronizing advice if you want to hear it, on-wiki or off, but I'll wait for an invitation. I just hope there's a way to reach a reasonable compromise, because you do great, useful work when you're not too busy being righteously indignant, and I hate this all-or-nothing approach you and your detractors take.  Yes, removing that shot at Hochman would be a simple, harmless first step towards compromise. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Correct me if I'm wrong Floquenbeam but what you're saying is that Jimbo is invulnerable to criticism or sanction for creating disruption. Meanwhile, The Pink Oboe gets blocked for  a bit of choice language.  Pretty compelling evidence to support what many editors have said, if you ask me. Parrot of Doom 21:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not immune to criticism, but immune to sanction, yes, pretty much. This can't possibly surprise you; you must have been aware this place isn't Utopia. And "a bit of choice language" really isn't a fair description; it's something I might say if I was trying to score rhetorical points, but not something I'd say if I was trying to solve a problem. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * POD, You seem to be focusing on one part of Floquenbeam's commentary, a part that is not really germane to the issue of this block in all honesty? FWIW I agree the Hochman's smug "I know better than you" commentary is particularly displeasing (as usual) and we'd all be happier if it was removed; however TPO's recent comments are way over the top, even by my low standards. A bit of an acknowledgment that just because the place stinks there's no need to add to the smell on TPO's part might help. Just my thoughts. Pedro : Chat  21:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * As one who was once told by an experienced editor to "go fuck yourself with a chainsaw", at ANI no less (guess what that didn't result in), I don't think that TPO's comments are much to fret about tbh. I'm not at all surprised to have it confirmed that Jimbo can do whatever he pleases, and that nobody here is prepared to do anything about it.  Pedro, TPO's edits aren't anywhere near the level of rage I've spouted on previous occasions, the difference is that he did it around "the important people".  The civility police have to be seen to do something when the Great Leader is watching. Parrot of Doom 22:12, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Noted. Pedro : Chat  22:23, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I see from your user page that matters are rapidly deteriorating, so I imagine this talk page is going to get shut down by someone soon, but before that happens I just want to say that, while I officially disapprove of sockpuppetry, "Mary O'Nette" was pretty clever. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Harry Tasker: lead character in True Lies, J. Worthington Foulfellow: a character from Pinocchio. Just having some fun to entertain myself whilst dinner is doing. I made it far too easy for them to be discovered :) --The Pink Oboe (talk) 22:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

What's in a name? Which one's pink?
Hi Jechoman!

Why does the user name "The Pink Oboe" warrant a block ?

The Pink Oboe edits a lot about Pink Floyd.

Before worrying about a phallic joke, consider looking at pictures of oboes. The reed would be abnormally small, and the rest would be very, very strange.

Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that his name was the main reason for the block. Jeancey (talk) 22:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There were 2 other reasons given. I don't understand why the third, the user name, mattered enough to list it on the blocking notification, a formal and serious document.  Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The yanks spend a good amount of time mutilating their cocks, it isn't surprising therefore that some of them are offended at the mention of one. Parrot of Doom 22:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not know that. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The cocks spend a good amount of time yanking their brits, so... wait, I think I got that wrong... --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:23, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha Ha Ha Ha. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No, we are indeed a nation of wankers. We love wanking, and why not.  We also love cocks, which is why we tend not to fight with them any more. Parrot of Doom 22:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest we blocked every user called Percy. Nev1 (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Do not make any further comments on cocks without consulting me, or WP:ANI for a thorough discussion and consensus. Or indeed Badger-baiting come to that. Pedro : Chat  22:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You're posting in the wrong place, the correct venue for cock-related discussion is here Parrot of Doom 22:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your kindness in directing me there is appreciated :) Pedro : Chat  22:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I recommend that doubters google-image the term [pink oboe] and see what comes up. I do NOT recommend doing that image search at work, unless you happen to work at a porn shop. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you go north up the page until you come to the section "Peter Cook", you'll see the derivation I'm working from. From what I recall though it was used quite a way back in the mists of time as army slang. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't doubt that it's old. And probably sufficiently obscure that he got it by the censors. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:54, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Milligan was a past master at getting stuff past the staid BBC censors, none of whom had done a day's service in the forces. As, at that time, there were a lot of ex-forces in the audience so all he had to do was refer to a small part of the filthiest jokes, eg "it's your turn in the barrel" and the audience would piss themselves knowing the complete joke and the censors never had a clue. I seem to recall there was a part of a sketch all about "the last turkey in the shop". There were literally dozens of them used throughout the show's lifetime. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 03:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Mongo's assertions at ANI and a request/
Mongo might like to know that he is indeed correct. The difference in time between my genuine very first edit and Webhamster's first edit was about 3 years. I started as an IP editor with a static IP, then changed ISPs where I had a dynamic IP, then came back to the original ISP and managed to get my old IP back as it hadn't been re-allocated and I've stayed with that IP ever since. I'm not going to give out my IP in public, but if a checkuser wants to check the IP I'm on right now with the very first edit of that IP address you'll find it was sometime in 2003 that I started editing here, and it was on the Goon Show article strangely enough.

Oh, whilst I'm here I'll ask a question. I need an account here now. Only want it for one purpose and one purpose only. I'm quite happy to be monitored, to agree to not edit any article other than for the one purpose. I'll promise to never edit anything in any of the non-article spaces (except my own talkpage of course). I'm quite happy to agree to whatever you like so long as I can fulfil the purpose. All I need the account for is the post processing of images/illustrations I upload at commons. For example I'm currently going through the US Army brigade shoulder sleeve insignias (a similar edit to the one Denis Bloodnok was copped for). Once the image is uploaded at commons it needs to be added (or swapped) to the appropriate article on WP. Now I could quite easily do it as a sock but sooner or later I would be caught and that's just a general waste of time for everyone. I could also get someone else to do it for me but that has problems of its own, not least of which is getting hold of someone to do it for me.

So do we have any suggestions? How about WebHamster making a comeback? --The Pink Oboe (talk) 02:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. Please pick one account and stick with it.  Let everybody here know which one you want to use, not TPO, please.  Refrain from gratuitous use of language that would offend the parents of kids who edit Wikipedia, or make Wikipedia look uncouth.   This is a serious scholarly project.  There are plenty of places on the Internet for jokes, and games.  Is that acceptable?  If so, any admin can unblock so that you may proceed with productive editing.  Jehochman Talk 04:42, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Although, in a perfect world, I'd like to keep WebHamster's edit count ultimately I'd prefer to keep Fred the Oyster as that's the username I'm using on commons. So to be able to have Fred back what do I need to agree to? Incidentally, language wouldn't be a problem as I wouldn't be taking part in any discussions. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 08:42, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooh, I've just thought. If my above conditions could be extended to answering requests and performing maintenance at the image workshops I'd be much obliged. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 08:51, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * That would be fine, subject of course to the caveats on civility etc. As for the username thing ... er ... I think we could do that by unblocking WebHamster and then you making a request to usurp Fred The Oyster's username ... anyway, if I unblock WebHamster for the time being we can work that out from there.  So I'll do that now.  Black Kite (t)   09:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. Civility won't be a problem for the same reason, above, that I gave for language. As for username, well it really it doesn't matter to me, I'm quite happy to go with the easiest route for everyone. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 09:08, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Tourette's syndrome affects some editors, so please be kind to everybody
TPO has identified himself as having suffered a stroke.

Some strokes result in conditions like Tourette's syndrome, some versions of which have involuntary swearing as well as facial or hand tics (e.g., "flipping the bird"). In such cases we should, besides the usual WP:AGF and good-willed tolerance of different linguistic sensibilities, be understanding of unusually colorful language ....

There but for fortune, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 08:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Although I do have the hand tics (leg tics too). I don't have, as far as I'm aware, tourettes, although I do have to admit to having Asperger's. I've always been uncouth with my verbals. I just see words as being all the same, they're either useful or they aren't. From my POV if they're in context and serve a purpose then they're the ones I use. For example, "don't do that" and "don't you fucking do that" although they are ostensibly the same their meaning is radically different. I firmly believe "fuck" to be one of the most useful words in the English lexicon. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 08:38, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * We all are responsible for our behavior, regardless of disabilities.
 * Nonetheless, I trust that even civility-policemen understand that under these circumstances you deserve more good-will than those of us with other disabilities---and compared to Kolmogorov or von Neumann, all of us have disabilities!
 * Best regards, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 08:50, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting thought - though my usual argument to someone who keeps cussing after they are asked to stop is that "it slipped out by accident"* isn't an acceptable excuse, as you actually have to type the bloody thing in the edit box, I have often wondered if someone with Tourettes or other neurological disorder might not be able to prevent themselves from typing in cuss words. Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC) *sorry, that was a bit of a Pink Oboe moment
 * I've worked with a number of Tourette's young people and have never seen that (although admittedly the number of TS people who actually swear uncontrollably is a minority - it's just that they're the ones who make better TV). Black Kite (t)   11:38, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My hypothesis would be that Tourette's or a stroke could (1) increase swearing-impulses and so lead to more written swearing and (2) decreased probability of censoring such remarks---not cause unconscious writing of such.  Kiefer .Wolfowitz 11:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whilst I'm not saying your hypothesis is false as it sounds quite credible to me, but it really doesn't apply to me. I've always been this way. It's like having a motorway direct from my brain to my mouth. Whatever I think comes out, and it's even worse when there's no human face in front of me. I've never had the little voice over my shoulder shouting "don't say that". Even at my age, although it has improved over the years, it still is, shall we say, less than perfect. Even with the time-lag involved with typing doesn't stop it due to lack of impulse control. I still think I'm right in saying what I'm saying. I know it could be said that I just don't care, which to be honest is probably close to the truth. it's not that I exactly don't care, it's just that I've never known what it's like to be offended, so cannot transfer that empathy over to whom I'm talking to. To me being offended is a choice which can be switched on and switched off. Even so with the rising wave of political-correctness the bar for someone being offended is going to get lower and lower until soon no matter what you say, what you do someone will be offended because it's virtually compulsory at that stage. In my view it's similar to the way vaccinations work. A little offence caused will prevent large offence being 'caught'. If no vaccines are given out then sooner of later someone in Britain is going to be offended when a butterfly in China farts (yes, I like fart jokes). Civility is a subjective term, and I'm convinced that it is not natural for human beings to be civil to one and other, it has to be worked at. If you do something unnatural for long enough then something has to blow, and I mean far worse that the negative !voters at RfA. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 12:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Imagine that you are typing a letter that will be read by a bunch of 13 year olds. That is essentially what you are doing when contributing Wikipedia.  The editor you shout "fucking" at might be a kid, and obviously that's not a good thing to say to them.  If you can't control your language, don't edit here.  I would rather lose one foul-mouthed editor than let them drive off ten polite contributors.  We do not want this place to be overrun by people suffering Coprolalia, or other conditions that may cause them to violate social norms.  Medical conditions are not relevant to the discussion.  What matters is the impact of one's editing on other editors. Wikipedia is not therapy.Jehochman Talk 17:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * TPO has exposed his condition to help us understand, and nobody has suggested that he write for a therapeutic reason or not comply with our guidelines, which allow human fallibility. He has offered a clear behavioral plan to avoid problematic behaviors in the future. Your comment, Jehochman, sounds very nasty to me, and seems to have been gratuitious, which makes it even worse. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 17:27, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but if children want to read an adult encyclopaedia, they're going to have to deal with adult words. If that causes problems for them, then they should be banned from participating.  Besides which, children know all the swear words, and I bet some we don't. Parrot of Doom 17:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it is not necessary to use unprofessional language that would get one fired from any reasonable job. People working here should not be exposed to such harassment. Jehochman Talk 03:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What you perceive to be harassment I perceive to be the way things are in the real world. I've never been fired from a job for swearing full stop, although I've been fired from a couple for having sex in inappropriate places but that's by-the-by. Too much is made of profanity, they a just words like any other used for a specific purpose. I even complain to my daughters, not for just swearing but for swearing out of context and frequently, ie ever other word. I use profanity to highlight something, not for shock value and not for harassment. I use whatever appropriate word I feel will get my point across. It's as simple as that. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 08:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah that warm glow of parental rose-tinted glasses. I'm afraid you're conning yourself if you think swearing in view of a bunch of 13yr olds will shock or in some way harm them. The average 13yr old these days doesn't just know what "fuck" is, they know haw to deliberately misspell it, use it frequently (out of parental hearing range of course) and a very large percentage even practice it on a regular basis. I rather doubt profanity sways them in the slightest, their rose-tinted glasses wearing parents are quite another matter though. So no I don't take your suggestion as a reason not to. IMV words are just words, they have no inherent health factors. Incidentally, coprolalia IS the new social normal norm. At least it is around here. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 21:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Contrarily, profanity is not the issue here, but abusing other editors is. WP:NOTCENSORED arguments aside, there is no reason we should tolerate repeated, unrepentant abuse toward other editors, and allowing exceptions for "I can't help it" is a road we are not going down. causa sui (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Repeated, unrepentant? As per usual, you, and most of the others judging me are looking at the effect, not the cause. I never, ever throw the first punch. My "abuse" is always as a result of comments made to me. Always! I don't complain, I don't go running to someone else to fight my battles for me. I fight back in the manner I was 'assaulted' in the first place but with increased vigour. If people are civil with me in the first instance then I am perfectly civil with them. That's the way it's always been. I do not ever abuse someone for no reason at all. If you can find ANY instance of me throwing the first stone then I will walk away right now and never come back. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 08:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Couldn't help but notice and comment on this discussion. Tourette's is a neurological condition that, when manifesting itself in a verbal manner, doesn't carry-over to written expression. The neurological mechanics that allow for written expression take place in a different part of the brain than verbal expression - the two are not intertwined. For anyone to excuse someone who has had a stroke as having "Tourette's" is wrong to begin with. To further excuse uncivil Wikipedia behavior by saying Tourette's is affecting the editor's ability to properly communicate in writing is plain ridiculous. Lhb1239 (talk) 20:40, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please note, that I have not ascribed TS to my behaviour, in fact I've actively denied it. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 21:51, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * @Lhb1239,
 * You wrote, "Couldn't help but notice and comment on".
 * Was that self-parody either conscious or unconscious? ;)
 * Strokes sometimes harm e.g. the frontal lobe, and so diminish impulse-control, which can increase the probability of writing a personal attack and then decreasing the probability of censoring the personal attack before hitting "Save page". I did not write that TPO has Tourette's syndrome, so your posturing was wasted. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 21:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

@Wolfowitz: You bring up the non sequitur of Tourette's as if it has some relevance to this discussion and then launch an ad hominem attack on me for "posturing" because I correctly pointed out Tourette's is irrelevant here? That's pretty funny stuff. Is there a cover charge or drink minimum for your stand up routine? Lhb1239 (talk) 02:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Jesus H Christ on a fucking bicycle, I work with 11-18 year olds, and they swear more than I do (which actually isn't at all while I'm round them, but you know what I mean). If anyone seriously thinks that the occasional "fuck" on a projectspace page is going to cause harm, they need their heads looking at - after all, look at articlespace!  Black Kite (t)   00:36, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe if adults set a better example, that wouldn't be the case. Jehochman Talk 03:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't make any difference at all, the genie is out of the bottle for ever. Much like textspeak. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 08:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Final warning
To Pink Oboe; this account has been blocked indefinitely, and this is unlikely to change except through the formal unbock request process. Please see Guide to appealing blocks for how to do this.

Unless you want to file a reasonably-worded unblock request here, your continuing to edit this page appears to have no realistic purpose, other than creating drama. If you merely want to use this page to complain about your block and other editors, without any future prospect of being able to contribute to the encylopedia, I can't see any reason for you to continue to be able to edit this page. -- The Anome (talk) 21:45, 18 November 2011 (UTC)