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WikiCup 2012 February newsletter
Round 1 is already over! The 64 highest scorers have progressed to round 2. Our highest scorer was, again thanks mostly to a swathe of good articles on The X-Files. In second place was, thanks an impressive list of did you knows about racehorses. Both scored over 400 points. Following behind with over 300 points were, , and. February also saw the competition's first featured list: List of colleges and universities in North Dakota, from. At the other end of the scale, 11 points was enough to secure a place in this round, and some contestants with 10 points made it into the round on a tiebreaker. This is higher than the 8 points that were needed last year, but lower than the 20 points required the year before. The number of points required to progress to round 3 will be significantly higher.

The remaining contestants have been split into 8 pools of 8, named A through H. Round two will finish in two months time on 28 April, when the two highest scorers in each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers, will progress to round 3. The pools were entirely random, so while some pools may end up being more competitive than others, this is by chance rather than design.

The judges would like to point out two quick rules reminders. First, any content promoted during the interim period (that is, on or after 27 February) is eligible for points in round 2. Second, any content worked on significantly this year is eligible for points if promoted in this round. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which would otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 00:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Tinucherian,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.9.115.210 (talk) 20:12, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Film January–February newsletter
GRAPPLE  X  00:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

A belated welcome!

 * Replied on your talk page --  Tinu  Cherian  - 10:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello
Tinucherian, I would like to ask you something regarding this threat at Wikimediaindia-l mailing list. On 08 Feb 2012 you wrote this and you continued the next day. Was this issue discussed here on en-wiki? I already notified about the thread User:Wifione. Thanks in advance for your answer. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The issue was raised was by some other user. I have merely participated in the discussion among others. Not sure if it was discussed in En-wiki. Thanks for letting the user know --  Tinu  Cherian  - 10:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay Tinu, thanks. Your comments are alarming. I continue on Jimbo's talk page. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:08, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It is shocking, IMHO .. My comments are after some investigation after the first mail --  Tinu  Cherian  - 11:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. I did similar research before reading the reactions under the threat. Why didn't you notify the en-wiki? Similar behavior on admin level might be very damaging to the project. (Please, note, I'm not accusing anyone of anything). You are an admin here and you should know that it should be discussed here, openly. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I discussed this with some other admins and active Wikipedians. Nobody wants to fight this case. The alleged institution has an infamous history of suing individuals for insane amounts, that too at the courts in the remotest parts of the nation. I did also inform some of the members of Arb Com. They feel that there is no credible evidence as such --  Tinu  Cherian  - 11:45, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. So we should fear them and (possibly) let them buy our editors and admins? Can you tell me whom you contacted regarding this issue, please? May I copy this section of your talk page to Jimbo's? We can continue there, to keep the relevant discussion in one place. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 12:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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i want to know mawari — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.48.103.6 (talk) 21:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry ? --  Tinu  Cherian  - 14:23, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Madoka Mawari???? : P --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

2012 WikiGrail
Hi Tinucherian, I'd like to personally invite you to participate in the 2012 WikiGrail. You can signup here. Let's have some fun! – Lionel (talk) 11:10, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Lionet. I wish I could join but not with the current real life Wikimedia activities. All the best wishes for WikiGrail ! --  Tinu  Cherian  - 14:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
-- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Thanks. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject India Tag & Assess 2012 Contest
Hello friends, we are a number of editors from WikiProject India have got together to assess the many thousands of articles under the stewardship of the project, and we'd love to have you, a fellow member, join us. These articles require assessment, that is, the addition of a WikiProject template to the talk page of an article, assessing it for quality and importance and adding a few extra parameters to it.

As of March 11, 2012, 07:00 UTC, WikiProject India has 95,998 articles under its stewardship. Of these 13,980 articles are completely unassessed (both for class and importance) and another 42,415 articles are unassessed for importance only. Accordingly, a Tag & Assess 2012 drive-cum-contest has begun from March 01, 2012 to last till May 31, 2012.

If you are new to assessment, you can learn the minimum about how to evaluate from Part One of the Assessment Guide. Part Two of the Guide will help you learn to employ the full functionality of the talk page template, should you choose to do so.

You can sign up on the Tag & Assess page. There are a number of awards to be given in recognition of your efforts. Come & join us to take part in this exciting new venture. You'll learn more about India in this way.

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Need help to uphold wiki quality
Hello Mr. Tinu Cherian ,

Need your help to flag a wikipedia page deliberately spreading wrong information. The article on Arabian Sea, states that there are only 2 major sea ports on it Karachi and Gwadar ( totally ignoring Indian ports of Mumbai / Kandla ) which are far bigger in any measurement compared to previous two.

When i countered this information with facts, The editor Fahadnisarrana instead of accepting the proofs like comparison numbers / media reports dismissed them as "imperial Western control over the media "

The information i posted was that Mumbai and Kandla are far bigger ports than Gwadar and Karachi ( but then he again made up a story saying some off the record deals with NATO and so on )

Please see if you can raise the issue appropriately and uphold wiki quality.

Regards Kapil

Some of the links i refereed to during the debate Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage Comparison - http://aapa.files.cms-plus.com/PDFs/WORLD%20PORT%20RANKINGS%202009.pdf Number by Government of India - http://shipping.gov.in/writereaddata/l892s/7yearsTRAFFIC-42175832.pdf

Also few pakistani media sources crying out loud about Gwadar being a flop show http://tribune.com.pk/story/122720/gwadar-an-unfulfilled-dream http://www.thenews.com.pk/PrintEdition.aspx?ID=566&Cat=13&dt=5/1/2011 http://www.thenews.com.pk/PrintEdition.aspx?ID=1862&Cat=13&dt=3/4/2012

Sources sited by Mr. Fahadnisarrana http://siteresources.worldbank.org/PAKISTANEXTN/Resources/293051-1114424648263/Session-VII-Fazal-Ur-Rehman.pdf - A 2005 project report to world bank on road map of ports in pakistan http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6469725.stm - A 2007 article, whose first paragraph was twisted out of fact. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/31653/Arabian-Sea/22722/Transportation - The Britannica list Mumbai / Kandla and not Gwadar

I am copy pasting the entire discussion of his talk page so you can get an idea. Hi Fahadnisarrana. I couldn't help but notice that you added three successively higher levels of warnings on the above-mentioned user talk page at once. I had already warned the person once about citing sources, and he replied on my talk page to say that he had found sources which appeared to be reliable. If you believed that he was continuing to do the same thing, it might be appropriate to use a level 2 warning, but it seems excessive to add 3 and 4 at the same time, without giving him a chance to improve. Please remember to assume good faith. —JmaJeremyTALKCONTRIBS 18:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

-Alright JmaJeremy, I'll take note of that. I was considering reporting him because he repeatedly vandalises the article with his personal or regional POV and I think that harms the accuracy of the article. Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana.

Care to explain who is posting regional POV stuff ... The sentence about Gwadar port "It is the largest port in the Arabian Sea after the port of Karachi" says it all. Can you please put a source for this Any why the source pointing to the numbers giving by Shipping ministry of India are not reliable enough for you. You seems to be from Pakistan, as the major port section sings of only 2 ports , both being from Pakistan ,while conveniently leaving atleast Five bigger ports in other countries ( majority of them being in India )

Awaiting Reply — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.124.22.144 (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

- Port of Karachi is handling about 14.0 million tons of liquid cargo and 12 million tons of dry general cargo, including 738,000 TEUs containers. Gwadar Port handles about 30% of the world's daily oil supply. Here is the source from the World Bank (http://siteresources.worldbank.org/PAKISTANEXTN/Resources/293051-1114424648263/Session-VII-Fazal-Ur-Rehman.pdf) and here is a BBC report on the same outlining the facts (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6469725.stm). I will insert these references on the page as well. The source you provided is not accessible and the facts you stated are not evident. While I may be Pakistani, you will notice that my personal POV is not reflected in my contributions. You may browse through my contributions for reaffirming the fact. The biggest ports in the Arabian Sea are Bandar Abbas in Iran (due to lack of availability of sufficient information, it is not there) and the Port of Karachi along with Gwadar Port. While India does have a significant number of seaports in the Arabian Sea, most of them do not cater to a significant transportation of major international commodities such as oil and gas, which Iran and Pakistan do. You may want to refer to Encyclopaedia Britannica here (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/31653/Arabian-Sea/22722/Transportation). Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana.

Now this is getting ridiculous. Let me remove the bubble you are living in.

BBC source - Dated Mar 2007 "Gwadar port is on the Arabian Sea at the mouth of the Gulf THROUGH which 30% of the world's daily oil supply passes." It does not means that Gwadar port is playing any role in it.

World bank presentation. - Dated < 2005 " TRADE FORECAST FOR GWADAR PORT - 22 Million Tonnes ( 2010 ) " This was a presentation by Government of Pakistan about future roadmap of Ports development given to World bank atleast 7 years back. Not an endorsement of World bank per say. No where it says those numbers were met or are going to be achieved in near future. Even if above number are met they are far less then the numbers of previous years released by Shipping ministry of India on annual port traffic ( No projections here )

Now please go through the following links ( they are from pakistani dailys ), copy pasted content inline Gwadar Port may be given to China Special Report on Balochistan http://www.thenews.com.pk/PrintEdition.aspx?ID=566&Cat=13&dt=5/1/2011 - Dated May 2011 Apart from its failure to bring a single commercial ship to the Gwadar docks

SC seeks comments on Gwadar Port agreement http://www.thenews.com.pk/PrintEdition.aspx?ID=1862&Cat=13&dt=3/4/2012 - Dated Mar 2012 It was further stated that a rough calculation indicates that the GPA will be paying out of government funds for maintaining the port until a minimum of 21 commercial ships call at Gwadar every week. This figure is impossible to achieve. </

The above links clearly shows that gwadar is hardly able to generate any private traffic ( only traffic it generated was 0.7 million tones of urea shipment ordered by GOP ( http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/08/gwadar-shipping-agents-plea-to-ecc.html ).

And now to increase your knowledge, here are the Indian numbers for 2011 ( http://shipping.gov.in/writereaddata/l892s/7yearsTRAFFIC-42175832.pdf ) Kandla - 81.88 JNPT - 64.29 Mumbai ( twin port of JNPT ) - 54.58 Mormugoa - 50.02

Awaiting Reply 63.124.22.144 (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

- Please refrain from adapting to a rather agitating tone. I do not appreciate that. This is a discussion for the good and let's keep it that way. We are not here to argue or to debate on petty issues and to express relief. - Coming to the dailies you mentioned, DAWN News and The NEWS have virtually no or very limited access in the Gwadar region. Also, many publications by these dailies cause daily disputes amongst the media editors. As far as the absurd statements above signify that there is no traffic at all at the Gwadar Port, then that is completely incorrect. Iran operates its major supply route to Eastern and Western Asia through Gwadar. Here is a 2005 report on the same (http://arabianestate.com/news/news14.php). Please look at this blog too (http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/2010/09/26/iran-china-and-the-gwadar-port/), it also goes on to say that there are limited mentions of the Gwadar Port in Western media (which is indeed the case), this shows how educated the world is on the facilities of the port. If you conduct further research from a neutral POV, I'm sure you will get to the facts. The Indian figures are nothing compared to Iranian ports of Bander Abbas, Chah Bahar and Bushehr Shaan and the Pakistani ports in Karachi, Gwadar, Ormara and Pasni. The only problem is that nobody cares to mention these ports due to imperial Western control over the media (I'm sure you know what I mean).

There is also a lot of exaggeration on the situation in Pakistan, so you will find very few sources where the real situation is portrayed instead of a rephrasal or magnified views of an issue.

Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana.

Well expected such a reply from you. You are quoting blogs and site ( arabianestate ) maintained by some "bohra developers", Do they have better knowledge about the ground situation than your national dailies. fine but why is your Supreme Court hearing a case for revoking the Gwadar port contract as the agency to which it was given ( Singapore Port Authority ) is unable to generate any traffic. One more thing, Pakistan is not an exporter of OIL and is consume only 0.00381% of world's daily oil , then how come 30% of world oil goes to Gwadar Port. The oil numbers are from another wiki article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption )

63.124.22.144 (talk) 22:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

- My dear brother, the blogs and sites I quoted are written from a neutral POV without exaggeration or endorsement. That is why I quoted them. Like I said, mainstream media does not appreciate the actual facts about the port as previously mentioned. The Gwadar Port is currently under the Singapore Port Authority's contract, however please note the fact that this will soon be revoked (due to fact that Singapore took advantage of Gwadar's tax-free nature) (http://www.forexpk.com/highlights/todays-pick/gwadar-port-authority-psa-barred-from-transferring-any-property.html). The Gwadar Port has been under many contracts and has sometimes had overlapping contracts placed on it. Indeed Pakistan is not an exporter of oil, however, note the fact that all the oil which passes through the Strait of Hormuz, the Suez Canal and the East Asian waters have to pass through Gwadar. Also oil exporters in Central Asia rely on the Gwadar Port for their oil shipments due to their landlocked situation. This shows that Gwadar indeed handles 30% of the world's oil shipments. I am sure that this will clear it up for you. Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana.

Give me the numbers of shipment handeled ( no projections, no blgos , no property developers site ). Just read the following pages as a neutral observer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage http://aapa.files.cms-plus.com/PDFs/WORLD%20PORT%20RANKINGS%202009.pdf By the way there is no international pipeline in Gwadar or for that matter even Pakistan, so how are central Asian countries transporting oil to the port.

63.124.22.144 (talk) 22:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

- Pakistani shipping companies have signed various deals with Central Asian oil importers. While there is no common international pipeline, there are certainly pipelines set up to individual countries such as Tajikistan (http://oilandgas.einnews.com/news/oil-companies/tajikistan). Apart from regional pipelines, freight oil cargo is also delivered by rail and by road. Huge oil carrying trucks are filled in and then they drive all the way up (I'm sure you know this fact, this was also done when cooperating with NATO troops in Afghanistan). I will surely provide the request details to you at a later time for your satisfaction. You keep posting links to rankings and stuff without realising the fact I keep emphasizing on, mainstream media does not acknowledge Pakistani and Iranian ports (as can be well observed from the above links you posted). Bias and regional interests step in when these rankings are made. Also, there is no real criteria or methodology for ranking seaports. There are certainly some factors that contradict.

We can continue this debate for quite a long time, however, my friend, I want you to acknowledge the fact that I do not put forward biased views or my POV. Despite knowing the fact that you are an Indian, I do not hold any hostility as such towards you. I think you can surely return the favour and I'm sure we can cooperate on this issue and make Wikipedia a better place for reference.

Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana.

Fine, then please tell me on what study / comparison did you made the decision of quoting Gwadar port as the second biggest in Arabian Sea. Your are not ready to accept reports by main stream media of your own country, comparisons studies by AAPA ( http://aapa.files.cms-plus.com/PDFs/WORLD%20PORT%20RANKINGS%202009.pdf ) or even other wiki articles. Instead you are quoting a blog, a site developed by property developers and what not. but no comparison/study. Yes i am an Indian and i got no ill will for you. but as a free netzien I will try to correct any article spreading wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.124.22.144 (talk) 23:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Another mythbuster from another Pakistani daily newspaper ( http://tribune.com.pk/story/122720/gwadar-an-unfulfilled-dream/ ) - Dated Feb 2011 But when I visit the port, I see the cranes lying idle and deserted. A port official informs me that the cargo handling cranes received a large fertiliser shipment some five months. Nothing much has moved since.

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HEya
Can you have a look at: Talk:Coimbatore bypass??--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hi I see that Agadi, Haveri/version 2 is hanging around in mainspace as a full article, which isn't particularly desirable as a subpage of Agadi, Haveri. I assume it wants to be blanked but since it was your creation (as Agadi ) I thought I'd invite you to do the honours? FlagSteward (talk) 18:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Akathethara/version 2 is the only other one I've found among the India pages. FlagSteward (talk) 11:29, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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List of The Doon School alumni
Hi Tinu, I have just left a message on WikiUttarakhand for all editors regarding this list. I believe it has huge potential to become the first featured list from uttarakhand project...let's pull this off..! I'll be looking forward to your comments. As I'm new to Wiki...don't know many people here...therefore, can you please draw others' attention to this list. Thank you Tinu! i'll be watching the uttarakhand project talk page, you can reply there and inform others as well :) Merlaysamuel : Chat  12:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Also The Doon School is the first potential good school article from uttarakhand, in fact, from all india. We've been working hard on it. Just wanted to inform you (falls under utt project) Merlaysamuel : Chat  12:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

List of highest-grossing Malayalam films
Hello, The article List of highest-grossing Malayalam films got deleted as per conclusion of the talk page discussion. I feel it is pretty stupid decision by the person who took the decision merely by counting the no: of support votes against oppose votes, without knowing anything about Kerala, Malayalam and Malayalam cinema. Being an admin, could you please try to get the article restored, with some full-protection or indefinite semi-protection? The vandalism was only happening for some Mammootty - Mohanlal films in the recent years. The list is very useful to know the highest grossers from 1980s I feel. <span style="font-family:monotype corsiva; color:#2554c7; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold; letter-spacing:1px; font-style: italic; background-color:#ffe87c; text-align:center; margin:0px;">Anish Viswa  00:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 March newsletter
We are over half way through the second round of this year's WikiCup and things are going well! , of Pool B, is our highest overall scorer thanks to his prolific writings on television and film. In second place is Pool H's, thanks primarily to work on biological articles, especially in marine biology and herpetology. Third place goes to Pool E's, who also writes primarily on biology (including ornithology and botany) and has already submitted two featured articles this round. Of the 63 contestants remaining, 15 (just under a quarter) have over 100 points this round. However, 25 are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly. 32 contestants, the top two from each pool and the 16 next-highest scorers, will advance to round 3.

Congratulations to, whose impressive File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg became the competition's first featured picture. Also, congratulations to, who claimed good topic points, our first contestant this year to do so, for his work on Featured topics/1982 Atlantic hurricane season. This leaves featured topics and featured portals as the only sources of points not yet utilised. However, as recent statistics from show, no source has yet been utilised this competition to the same extent it has been previously!

It has been observed that the backlogs at good article candidates are building up again. While the points for good article reviews will be remaining constant, any help that can be offered keeping the backlog down would be appreciated. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 23:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)