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Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested)
Credo Reference, who generously donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that:


 * Link to Survey (should take between 5-10 minutes): http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N8FQ6MM

It also asks some basic questions about what you like about the Credo program and what you might want to improve.

At this time only the initial 400 editors have accounts, but even if you do not have an account, you still might want to weigh in on which resources would be most valuable for the community (for example, through WikiProject Resource Exchange).

Also, if you have an account but no longer want to use it, please leave me a note so another editor can take your spot.

If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at wikiocaasi@yahoo.com. Cheers! Ocaasit &#124; c 17:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Vietnamese)#RfC_on_spelling
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Vietnamese). KarlB (talk) 13:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Martin Margiela
Hello,

I'm writing to you because I noticed that you deleted large swaths of content from the Martin Margiela page. I would like to know why you have done this. The content was accurate, and I don't think it should have been deleted. I have to wonder your expertise in the fashion industry for you wold not have deleted the section if you had known the details of the system Martin Margiela uses to mark its clothing. The section that included the ranges was the most useful aspect of that article, and now it is gone. Do you mind telling me why you deleted it (as opposed to flagging it for review by someone who may be more informed) over verifying it yourself and perhaps attaching a citation, which would have been both more constructive and more useful to readers of the page?

I don't normally edit wikipedia, I'm more of a user, but I feel the need to adress this topic as I think editors should be more obligated to understand the implications of their actions upon the knowledge of wikipedia's users, the effects of uninformed deletions, and the attitude of taking the liberty to delete over the duty of verification. Hopefully bringing this issue to your attention may at least serve you to engage in a deeper inner dialogue when making editing decisions and enhance your cognizance of the implications of altering pages of data, whether or not you agree with my concerns.

Thank you,

Acidnbass (talk) 00:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)acidnbass


 * Thanks for the message, sorry it has taken me a while to reply - I have been out of the country. The material that I removed was unsourced and/or spammy in nature. The onus is on those who wish to retain material to add appropriate citations, particularly in the case of articles about living people.--ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Ferdowsi library
Spelling has a number of variations. Ferdowsi is as standard as Firdousi. Sources added. Amend and augment, but do not remove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.230.29 (talk) 11:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Slow help desk
If it's any consolation, the only reason I haven't helped anyone at the helpdesk today is that you and other users have consistently beaten me to it... Thanks for your good work there. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * , thanks!--ukexpat (talk) 13:50, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * 's okay, I finally got one. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 14:09, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Minor Edit issue
OK. I'm still learning.--Bismarckboy 02:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bismarckboy (talk • contribs)

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Schnitzel Records
Could you please let me know what needs to be done to avoid the deletion of the Schnitzel Records Ltd. page? Thank you. --Anna Sbr (talk) 10:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Page Triage newsletter
Hey all. Some quick but important updates on what we've been up to and what's coming up next :).

The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement. We're going to be deploying it, along with a pile of bugfixes, to wikipedia on 9 August. After a few days to check it doesn't make anything explode or die, we'll be sticking up a big notice and sending out an additional newsletter inviting people to test it out and give us feedback :). This will be followed by two office hours sessions - one on Tuesday the 14th of August at 19:00 UTC for all us Europeans, and one on Wednesday the 15th at 23:00 UTC for the East Coasters out there :). As always, these will be held in #wikimedia-office; drop me a note if you want to know how to easily get on IRC, or if you aren't able to attend but would like the logs.

I hope to see a lot of you there; it's going to be a big day for everyone involved, I think :). I'll have more notes after the deployment! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Five
Hi! Welcome to the fifth edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!


 * Guest activity increased in July. Questions are up from an average of 36 per week in June to 43 per week in July, and guest profile creation has also increased. This is likely a result of the automatic invite experiments we started near the end of month, which seeks to lessen the burden on hosts and other volunteers who manually invite editors. During the last week of July, questions doubled in the Teahouse! (But don't let that deter you from inviting editors to the Teahouse, please, there are still lots of new editors who haven't found Teahouse yet.)
 * More Teahouse hosts than ever. We had 12 new hosts sign up to participate at the Teahouse! We now have 35 hosts volunteering at the Teahouse. Feel free to stop by and see them all here.
 * Phase two update: Host sprint. In August, the Teahouse team plans to improve the host experience by developing a simpler new-host creation process, a better way of surfacing active hosts, and a host lounge renovation. Take a look at the plan and weigh in here.
 * New Teahouse guest barnstar is awarded to first recipient: Charlie Inks. Using the Teahouse barnstar designed by Heatherawalls, hosts hajatvrc and Ryan Vesey created the new Teahouse Guest Barnstar. The first recipient is Charlie Inks, for her boldness in asking questions at the Teahouse. Check out the award in action here.
 * Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania! The Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania this past month, where editor retention and interface design was heavily discussed. Sarah and Jonathan presented the Teahouse during the Wikimedia Fellowships panel. Slides can be viewed here. A lunch was also held at Wikimania for Teahouse hosts.

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Need a review for my article
Hi, I want to write an article for wikipedia. I've started writing it but I am kind of stuck in the whole process. Need some guidance in the matter. Would you review my article and tell me what I am doing wrong? Btw I have added my signature here but it's redirecting to a page that doesn't exist yet. I don't know what I am doing wrong. --Indies.services (talk) 07:26, 8 August 2012 (UTC)Indies.Services

Cleaning my contributions
I notice that you are very quick to edit some of my contributions but I cannot see that you ever see others. My list of Experimental Station inventions went up last night and you had looked at it when I logged in this morning. Does that mean that you are assigned to watch me or certain subjects? I have no idea that part of the Wikipedia system works. I added some talk to that one to let you know where it was going. Is this the way I should be conversing with you? Littelinfo (talk) 15:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I do a lot of new page patrol, general wikignoming and help desk work, so I see lots of new articles. I also live in Wilmington and I suspect that we work for the same company! Happy to help out with anything.--ukexpat (talk) 17:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not too hard to figure out which company I work for (for a few more months) or which location I work on. And my name is in my username.
 * I do need help. I recently added snapshots (Taken at the Del Rose) of John D Roberts and Owen Webster to their bios, but I can't seem to get them inserted correctly so there is unwanted text associated with the pictures.  Can you please fix and tell me what I did wrong?  Thanks.
 * Did you reduce the size of the Experimental Station map on the recent list? Or did a bot do that?  I think it is too small to be of use at 250px and think it ought to be at 500px.  The larger size happens to wrap nicely.
 * I really appreciate what the editors do, so thanks. I like to generate content, but I am very far from being an editor.  There is another editor who refers to me as being tone-deaf because I write too enthusiastically about DuPont.  I can't help it if I like the place.   Littelinfo (talk) 17:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I will take a look at those images to see if I can help. I increased the map image size to 400px as a compromise, 500px was, I think, a little too overwhelming.--ukexpat (talk) 17:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK I fixed the image code in the iboxes for John D. Roberts and Owen Webster. If you take a look at Infobox scientist, you will see the parameters described in the documentation -- there are separate parameters for size and caption.--ukexpat (talk) 17:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

link farm?
Hi Ukexpat,

I'm new to wiki and trying to learn the ropes / lingo / code etc. I took note that a lot of external links were removed from the Brady Wilks article. Did I do that incorrectly or was I including the wrong kind of links? and what does "Not a link farm mean? Thanks in advance for your help in demystifying everything. :)

--71.163.197.205 (talk) 13:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC) Stirfriedpenguin
 * Please see the guidelines on External links at WP:EL and make sure that you are logged in when you edit. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I see and reading now, thank you much.--Stirfriedpenguin (talk) 13:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Your removal of my comments
I don't know why you removed some of my comments at the help desk, but please explain yourself on the talk page or with an edit summary if you intentionally modify others' discussion page contributions. However, if it was simply a mistake then don't worry about it, as I have already re-inserted my comments. BigNate37(T) 18:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was unintentional, an edit conflict error. I do know the etiquette, thanks.--18:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. You're welcome to remove this discussion if you like. BigNate37(T) 18:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

response
Hi: I have worked tirelessly on the kearns article to be sure that I DO follow guidelines. I have changed and removed the external links because all of the ones previously listed were actually references and within the article. I was told to remove them as external links and use as references.

As to not leaving an explanation, I believe I had only changed punctuation so didn't see a need. I will be more careful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PearlyG (talk • contribs) 02:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

New Pages newsletter
Hey all :)

A couple of new things.

First, you'll note that all the project titles have now changed to the Page Curation prefix, rather than having the New Pages Feed prefix. This is because the overarching project name has changed to Page Curation; the feed is still known as New Pages Feed, and the Curation Toolbar is still the Curation Toolbar. Hopefully this will be the last namechange ;p.

On the subject of the Curation Toolbar (nice segue, Oliver!) - it's now deployed on Wikipedia. Just open up any article in the New Pages Feed and it should appear on the right. It's still a beta version - bugs are expected - and we've got a lot more work to do. But if you see something going wrong, or a feature missing, drop me a note or post on the project talkpage and I'll be happy to help :). We'll be holding two office hours sessions to discuss the tool and improvements to it; the first is at 19:00 UTC on 14 August, and the second at 23:00 on the 15th. Both will be in #wikimedia-office as always. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:39, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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Michael Schofield (campaigner)
I thought I had done the needed change, had added the references and was feeling it was reasonable fort a first ever entry. It it seems to be now available on line. So I have no idea what this message is all about and need help in explaining. Are my changes OK or not? Please explain more. Bailey Chipping--Bailey Chipping (talk) 17:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw your comment in article feedback, and that was the reason for the message I left on your talk page. I just took a look at the article and cleaned it up a little - for example, to create a link to another Wikipedia article, just put the article title in double square brackets: so Michael Schofield (campaigner) renders as Michael Schofield (campaigner). If you want to change the displayed text for the link, use a pipe, so Michael Schofield renders as Michael Schofield. There are still a number of uncited statements, so I have tagged the article accordingly. I also added some categories. Hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 21:09, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Gettting Wikimedians to the Olympic Games
Hi. I am part of an effort to get Wikimedians access to the 2016 Summer Olympics as accredited reporters and photographers. Part of this effort includes covering the 2012 Summer Paralympics. Two Wikimedians have credentials to attend these games as reporters through Wikimedia Australia. As English Wikipedia does not allow original reporting, this is largely through Wikinews with a project page found at Wikinews:Paralympic Games. If you are interested in helping to get Wikimedians to the next Summer Olympics,I'd encourage you to assist with Wikinews efforts, and also to work on all language 2012 Summer Paralympic Wikipedia articles before, during and after the Games to demonstrate a track record of success. Thank you. --LauraHale (talk) 04:05, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K. Michelle
1.) I think you faile to do a WP:BEFORE, as I found a couple sources easily. 2.) She has several charted singles on a major label, a very valid assertation of notability per WP:BAND. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:30, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Charlie Souza
Thank you for your help! Please point out any particular issues on this page as I want them to be totally unbiased and would love to clean it up, if necessary, so that the boxes will dissapear at the top. The page does contain all and completly true and verifiable facts. Perhaps with your suggestions and help, we can get it within the guidelines. Thank you sincerely, Charlie Souza (talk) 17:03, 18 August 2012 (UTC) Charlie Souza RE: Charlie Souza

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Tanit Phoenix
Re Tanit Phoenix ... I'm looking to get input from someone else that's obviously a real wiki editor and not affiliated with the subject of the page... you might note a recent change I made, where she's said to be a strict vegan but used honey in a recipe demonstration (which is not used by vegans). I don't like the wording on the page now because it almost sounds like I'm accusing her of lying, but the claim of being a vegan is from the subject only and obviously it's incorrect. There's been too much promotional, uncited, and first-person info to let everything on the page stand, but I don't want to interfere with other contributor's work and have already removed a lot of uncited stuff from that page so I'm hesitant to simply take out the entire claim of being a vegan. Your thoughts, if any?Bobbyandbeans (talk) 21:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's uncited or not supported by the sources I would take it out. It's hardly a defining characteristic.--ukexpat (talk) 21:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks ... done.Bobbyandbeans (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

HD images
Check my most recent revision; I need the images there to make an example, but the full size was a mistake that I've corrected. Nyttend (talk) 21:41, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yup I saw that, thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 21:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Eric Harris
I've sent another email to the Sheriff Department asking for permission. If they answer back and give me permission. What shall I do? Thank you Nienk (talk) 15:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Follow the instructions at WP:IOWN for submitting the permission for review.--ukexpat (talk) 15:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So I should send the responde from the Sheriff Department to Wikimedia? Nienk (talk) 15:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, forward the permission to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org.--ukexpat (talk) 15:54, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't it better and faster to permissions-en@wikimedia.org? Nienk (talk) 16:14, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think they all end up at the same place and are reviewed by the same volunteers. Note that it can take some time for permissions to be reviewed so don't expect an immediate response.--ukexpat (talk) 16:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, but while it's reviewed, the picture stands still on the page right? Nienk (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily - it may be deleted while the review is pending, but you can add OTRS pending to the image information page to indicate that review is pending. Even if it is deleted, once the review is complete and the permission confirmed, it will be undeleted.--ukexpat (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I got a response: Everything that is available through the Sheriff’s Office can be found on our website at: https://www.co.jefferson.co.us/sheriff/sheriff_T62_R27.htm

The page you are referring to as “your page” is not ours. The image you are referring to has “Property of the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office” imposed on it, but that is not our property to release. The Columbine shootings resulted in many photographs being provided to the Sheriff’s Office from many, many sources. We do not grant permission to use any image as they are truly not ours to release.

What does he mean? Nienk (talk) 17:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

And even worse, I asked him to grant me permission and he said that they do not actually own the picture and that they don't know who imposed the "Property of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office" on it. So, does that mean that the author is unknown? Nienk (talk) 17:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So they don't own the copyrights and cannot give permission. Unless you can find out who owns it, and can get a release from them, then the image will have to be deleted. I am afraid there is no way round that.--ukexpat (talk) 17:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's kind of ridiculous since the owner must be Eric Harris. Nienk (talk) 17:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And what if I put it under non free rationale? Would it work? Thank you for helping me so much and sorry to bother you. Nienk (talk) 18:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad to help. WP:NFCC is a tricky area. The best place to ask about that is WP:MCQ.--ukexpat (talk) 18:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you man, really much, I've asked on the WP:MCQ. Nienk (talk) 18:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been bold enough and changed it into non fair use rationale, could you check it please? Thank you Nienk (talk) 20:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Glad to see you guys have been able to get to the bottom of this. This wasn't exactly an easy case of image licensing. Nice work. By the way, I've cropped the watermark out of the image based on what I've read here: since the Sheriff's Office doesn't actually own the image, it's not necessary to preserve it. Feel free to revert if you disagree with the change. BigNate37(T) 22:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Nolan Godfrey
Cheers for that. I was going to take a closer look when I had a bit more time. Quite a lot of stuff seems badly sourced. (Not that the sources themselves are bad, just that they dont always support what they are being cited for) However knowing nothing about Lacrosse could be a drawback for me! Only in death does duty end (talk) 20:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Userfy Request
I'm requesting userfication for a recently deleted page on Rick Page, speaker & author. I've cleaned up the content to make it more inline with Wiki standards and would like the opportunity to resubmit the page, if possible. Thanks!Cmbrown000 (talk) 13:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not an admin, so I cannot undelete/userfy that page for you. Please contact User:The Bushranger who is the admin who deleted the page.--ukexpat (talk) 13:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Lead article in substance-abuse or drug addiction
There is ambiguity in classifying something as what you do to function normally. The ambiguity is implicit if what you do is to function abnormally.

For clarification see the use of the phrase "to function normally" in the lead article.

Trft@hickorytech.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.174.217 (talk) 18:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to.--ukexpat (talk) 19:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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biography declined due to lack of notarity?
Greetings, I noticed that a article I wrote in regards to Omar Slim White was declined. The said person was engaged to a well known actress that is recognized all over the world. I used credible sources such as Ny times and Huffington Post which are two very credible sources that should have validated notability. Also I included a link that shows said person in pictures with prominent people such as George Bush, Denzel Washington etc... I'm not sure as to why else would the submission decline... Can you be more specific? The said person was featured in magazines, to being on television shows such as Wendy Williams (Highly rated television show) that can be verified through youtube, should I include that? Also when this person became engaged to Vivca Fox his name was the number two most searched person in the world on yahoo and also the number 5th person on google.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latrina1974 (talk • contribs) 10:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. For Wikipedia purposes, notability is not inherited - a person is not notable just because they are engaged or married to a notable person, or because they have met famous people. The guidelines set out at WP:BIO require significant coverage in reliable sources - in my opinion, the coverage in the NYT and Huffington Post is not significant enough, and youtube clips and myspace pages are not reliable sources (and indeed the youtube clips are almost certainly copyright violations, see WP:YOUTUBE).--ukexpat (talk) 17:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response :)
 * yes I understand that notability isn't inherited based on marriage but wouldn't said person fall under "Entertainers" (Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment) This person is responsible for booking celebrities to host events for various functions (Television, film, parties, charities, concerts, etc...) similar to that of Don King being a boxer promoter what would make a club promoter different who is responsible for booking well recognized talent for a magnitude of events? Also if person was written about in a CNN article would that not constitute as a credible source as well? Latrina1974 (talk)Latrina1974
 * See WP:MUSIC for guidelines on musicians, composers, groups, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latrina1974 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that a celebrity party planner is quite the same as a boxing promoter like Don King. But by all means cite some additional sources like CNN and resubmit the draft for review. I will let someone else review it next time.--ukexpat (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

added CNN as a refrence
Thank you for allowing someone else to review as well and I added the CNN reference Latrina1974 (talk) 02:29, 31 August 2012 (UTC)latrina1974 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latrina1974 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
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 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)