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Yes, I visit Nitcentral at least once a day. I discovered it in 2001, and I moderate Movies, Political Musings, Legal Musings and \i{Star Trek: Voyager}. Happy Nitpicking! Nightscream (talk) 04:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Did you assert both keep and delete?
In my reading of this deletion procedure I came across what I thought was humorous: One weak delete !vote and another keep were using the same sources. Then I realized they seemed to be the same user account. You wanna strike through one or the other? BusterD (talk) 14:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
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You voted keep here Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Lucy_Skywalker/Marcel_Leroux on a discussion where the owner of the sandbox has voted delete. I'm not sure I follow you. Do you plan to force the owner of the sandbox to keep it? IRWolfie- (talk) 10:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Eric Daman article
Hi Uzma

Thanks for trying to help me clarify the situation. I am not Eric Daman, but I did set up the account on his behalf (at my own suggestion) since he is named numerously throughout Gossip Girls pages and others I believe. IN you opinion would it be better for me to submit the article from my own (new) username/sandbox (brianleeboyce)? Also I appreciate the advice to add photos of Eric as you outlined subsequently to your first note! thanks again! Ericdamanstyle (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I posted a reply at User talk:Brianleeboyce. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 03:42, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your advice on editing this article. Kooky2 (talk) 23:22, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

What a reliable source is
You had "Wikipedia coverage of views that appear in astrology reliable sources should not convey acceptance by the scientific community in science behind astrology" in the template. If an astrology source states any acceptance by the world at large, it is not reliable for that claim, it contradicts all other non-fringe reliable sources. If astrology sources try to legitimize astrology, they are similarly not reliable for that claim. If astrology sources try to make an astrologer look like they have a good standing in the world at large, they are not reliable for that claim. If an astrology source makes a basic statement of something being fact, they are not reliable for that claim. Why are they not reliable, you may ask. They are not reliable because they do not have a reputation for basic fact checking. They do have a reputation for aggrandizing astrologers and astrology. They consistently deny what the most reliable sources state uncontroversially. The claims may be true in some cases, but we can not use these sources for this information because they have a history of unreliability. Thus, they are only reliable for the opinions of the astrologers in the publications they are in. For example, in the specific case of astrology as pseudoscience, an astrology source is clearly unreliable for discussing the status of astrology. For an analogous case, you also believe that "Creation Ex Nihilo" is reliable? IRWolfie- (talk) 13:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Lawson adit
Thanks for the Google link. Oddly, the first page states there are 80 results while going to the second page changes the results count to 22. One would think Google wouldn't do that.

Anyway, regarding the larger question, I'd probably be interested in participating as part of a small group of editors, to improve this article, but otherwise probably will abandon any future involvement. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Eric Daman article
Thanks for your response and looking into the article. It looks great and I appreciate the intervention! I am adding a table for the filmography, so I hope that helps. I will see what I can do tomorrow to address the other concerns noted within the article Eric Daman! Best Brianleeboyce Brianleeboyce (talk) 13:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Eric Daman article
Thanks for your response and looking into the article. It looks great and I appreciate the intervention! I am adding a table for the filmography, so I hope that helps. I will see what I can do tomorrow to address the other concerns noted within the article Eric Daman! Best Brianleeboyce Brianleeboyce (talk) 13:10, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Is it possible to modify mathbot so that its post at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old/Open AfDs doesn't erase the noinclude template as in this? Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Sorry for the delay. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:16, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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How are you the major contributor to the article? Gigs (talk) 19:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
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About a COIN thread
Hi, I respect you as an editor, and it's great to get some input into a long-term dispute from an uninvolved editor, but alas I must disagree with one of your closures on WP:COIN as I feel that significant evidence may have been overlooked, among all the complex arguments and walls of text. Not wanting to tread on your toes, I added an extra section instead of reverting your closure; I would be very grateful if you could look at the new section and say whether or not it would affect your decision. Would you like any further evidence? (Although I'm wary of adding even more to the walls-of-text which obviously make life difficult for editors who aren't already mired in this problem...) bobrayner (talk) 14:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hotel Senator Photo Request
I can definitely take some photos of the building. The building is not a hotel any longer. It is an office building now and there is no public access so I cannot take photos inside the building. But I would be glad to do a few outside shots. -Toyz1988 (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I will shoot the East entrance of the Capital and Hotel Senator. Anything else would just be speculation on my part and there should be no speculation on Wikipedia, just fact. Those two I will post on Wikimedia. -Toyz1988 (talk) 16:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is raining right now. On the first clear day (or at least clear enough to shot a picture) I will add some pics. BTW, I read through those 2 articles and I like them. -Toyz1988 (talk) 18:03, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Rokform AfD discussion
Hi Uzma. I offered a clarification at: Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Corporate_Minion/Rokform

The nature of my COI is that I want it kept, but I requested the discussion to verify if Wikipedia wants the article.

I won't go around bugging folks that vote delete or anything, but I'd hate to see a delete vote because you thought that was my request ;-)

Corporate 15:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey Uzma. My read of astroturfing regulations is that someone is required to disclose their affiliation in any online forum in which they participate to the extent that it is made obvious to readers. So naturally, I would disclose my COI in almost any post I make, unless it is already well-known by likely participants. I could see how this seems excessive compared to what we normally get.


 * I only paraphrased both views, but am not lobbying aggressively for one outcome or another (or at least not trying to). Since two editors disagreed, I kindly requested a consensus decision is all.


 * Hope this helps. If you have any Qs, my Talk page is always open. This article is fairly inconsequential, just hoping we could start off on a better foot. Corporate 13:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Updating Nadia Ali's Wikipage
Hi Uzma, I have received the proper licensing and picture to upload to Nadia's profile. However, when I try to upload the photo to wikimedia commons I consistently get this error:

Fantasy Cover Image1 of Nadia Ali.jpg There was another file already on the site with the same content, but it was deleted.

What can I do to get around this?

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Just in case you aren't watching my page, I thought I would respond here.

Thanks for the way to do a scrolling list without using CSS, that's very intriguing. I'm going to run this by the MOS mavens, to see what they think. May not affect you, as you plan it for Commons, but I might want to use it, if it isn't disallowed.

I see that you added the header rows above the table,s but as you realized, the spacing if off, so it doesn't line up well. I'm assuming the default is such that the top of the table will always show when you load, so the only way to lose the row would be to physically scroll down, and if you can do that you can undo that. It would be nice if there was a way to freeze the top rows, but I see it as an improvement even if that's not possible.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  14:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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You are invited to join the discussion at WT:MMA. Kevlar (talk) 19:16, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
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Michael Pollack
"The draft[1] obviously was written with a number of subsections to POV promote philanthropy, views, and other aspects of Mr. Pollack that would not otherwise make it into the article or whose importance would be significantly diminished by being put into perspective were the article written to convey Pollack's life chronologically. "

Please re-visit the discussion. There is no "POV promotion" going on anywhere - the reliable sources (newspaper articles from the Arizona Republic and Phoenix Business Journal) call him a philanthropist and describe his activities in detail. They discuss his childhood, they discuss his politics, and they discuss those seemingly unimportant aspects. Those sections are important because the reliable sources *say* they are important by discussing them. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look. Here are my thoughts. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:54, 17 December 2012 (UTC) WhisperToMe (talk) 12:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC) WhisperToMe (talk) 04:34, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 1. The reason why I presented his career chronologically but separated other aspects is because I remembered seeing other biography articles separate "personal life" into separate sections (i.e. Barack Obama has a separate personal life, and that's the gold standard for biography articles). As I worked on the article originally personal life was small, but as I found more and more sources the section became bigger and bigger and I cut it off into separate section. Maybe what would help is assessing which parts should go into the chronological "career" section and which should remain in the personal life section.
 * 2. "As another example, you write, "Michael Pollack is a drummer in "A Corporate Affair," a twelve piece R&B/rock/soul band." The source you cite does not support that statement." -
 * It is supported by Lomax, John Nova. "Back in the High Life: Michael Pollack and the VCR Bikini Hottie." Houston Press. Friday December 7, 2007. : which says "Many of us were unaware that Pollack, who is alive and well in the Phoenix area, has a musical side -- he is the drummer in a 12-piece soul / rock / R&B cover band called A Corporate Affair. " as the last sentence
 * 3. "In addition, why are you telling the reader what to think (e.g., that Michael Pollack is politically conservative)? "
 * That's not what I think. The basis of that sentence is the sentence ""One issue I hear about from business executives in other states is, 'Michael, you are dealing with the wild West," said Pollack, a staunch political conservative who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon." from the source: Thomason, Art. "Arizona's image hurts business climate, leaders say." The Arizona Republic. January 19, 2011. Retrieved on November 22, 2012. - I chose to say "he is politically conservative" because he is proclaimed as such, he doesn't dispute it, and nobody else disputes it either (like how a person is called African-American in the press, and doesn't dispute it, so he's called African-American, but if the subject disputes it, then it becomes an "opinion"). It is stated in the present tense. In any case, perhaps it can be fixed by a re-wording?
 * 4. "And if you can't tie his drum playing to his career at least in some small way [...] then maybe that factoid should not be in the Wikipedia article."
 * What happens if multiple reliable sources that discuss Pollack also talk about these things? I.E. it's not something that appears in merely one or two articles, but something that appears in many articles discussing Pollack, even if it's not necessarily related to his career. The articles I read about him talk about how Pollack is known for the eccentricities, and it seems like he's not just known for his business but also for these eccentricities.
 * I can tie his advocacy on copper theft to his career since copper theft directly affects his business
 * I read DGG's comments on the specific paragraphs that he had an issue with; he felt that certain aspects (early life, hobbies, name of children, etc) were given undue weight. This prompted me to make lists of sources which discuss certain aspects of Pollack's life and career to show how certain aspects of Pollack are "weighted" against other sources, so one could make an informed decision on what aspects to cut. I posted what I have so far at User:WhisperToMe/Talk:Michael Pollack
 * DGG did say he was going to reassess the article within a few days to a week, so it can help me make adjustments to remove undue weight. In the meantime I am re-evaluating certain sections and making changes (I cut two of the subsections out, and integrated limited amounts into the main personal info section) based on the collection of sources I did.
 * I also plan to visit a library which has some newspaper articles about him which aren't available online; perhaps I can find criticism of Pollack and/or material that may help balance the article there?
 * On the matter of how to describe political views I'm going to check the NPOV noticeboard archives to see if it's been brought up because that also affects Murder of Stephanie Kuhen where I described Laurence Elder as a "political conservative" because the newspaper said he was one. If I can't find how such a thing was dealt with in the noticeboard I'll start a new thread and ask how to deal with this issue, so I can change both the Stephanie Kuhen article and the Pollack draft if needed.
 * Took a look at David Marchick (as you said, no sections other than early life and career) - And from the talk page I saw that a proposed article User:WWB Too/David Marchick had a Philanthropy section under discussion (It didn't seem to have been discussed at Talk:David Marchick) - Unlike the draft Marchick several RSes with Pollack say explicitly that he is known for doing philantrophy/is a philantrophist - With the exception of one source, the philanthropy section for the proposed Marchick article relies on primary sources. For Pollack I avoided using primary sources entirely and relied only on secondary sources.
 * On the matter of "conservative" the first thread on the noticeboard I found was Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_19 - j⚛e decker said that with a BLP he might want a higher standard of sourcing, so for that I could change it into "So-and-so labeled ABC as XYZ" - But in his opinion for non-BLPs one can simply say "this is a conservative organization" if there's no challenge, depending on the context. But if you want more I can see if there are other threads on labeling with "conservative". If you want to revisit this issue I can start another thread on the NPOV noticeboard WhisperToMe (talk) 04:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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