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Blackpool F.C.
If you wish to include the info about the East stand then fair enough. However, it needs some changes. The temporary stand is not being rebuilt to accomodate more away fans. The new stand is simply to increase capacity for both home and away fans. And it is inaccurate to state the new stand would not be completed until mid-way through the season as the club simply changed the Wigan game just in case it would not be ready in time. No-one has said anything about it not being ready until mid-way through the season. It also needs other changes to bring it to wikipedia format. Thank you.-- ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 14:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

RE: Zoo edits
Hi - I reverted your recent edits to the zoo article. CAPS is a worthwhile organization and does good work, however, that does not make it a valuable addition to an article about zoos. The fact that an organization opposed to captivity protests at zoos, educates the public, etc., is not really relevant to the article's topic. As well, CAPS is not notable as an external link in this article. If all orgs opposed to zoos were listed, it would be a long and not very relevant list. I assume from your username and recent edits that you wish to highlight animal care problems at zoos. The proper way to do this is to find reliable references that support your POV and add referenced material to the article. I'm not sure if they're mentioned, but I recall a couple of recent Science or Nature type stories citing that zoos aren't suitable for large mammals- so something like that could be a good addition (maybe it's there already - I haven't read full article in a while. Sorry to step on your edits. Good luck Bob98133 (talk) 21:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Railway stats
Hey - always like to see people doing the laborious things around these parts. Good work on the railway station uses stats :) doktorb wordsdeeds 21:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 England riots - broken references
Hello

Your removal of one of the suggested causes removed a reference (name=NinaP) which was needed elsewhere, so you've broken the references. Please fix it. There's a reason I can't do it myself, or I would. Thanks.  Rubywine. talk 23:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Hiya
Hi Jake. Nice to see that you've made lots of contributions, especially this month.

Just a thought, though. You know in 2007 when you started, you supplied a couple of Edit summaries (ESs)?

Well, mind if I ask why you seem to have stopped supplying ESs?

I see you haven't used Talk pages yet, but they're easy to use.

Just type any reply here, and I'll see it on my watchlist, and get back to you. Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 08:58, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Congrats and thanks: Brighton & Hove 2007
I see you've now got that article finished at last! I'd always meant to get back to it after starting it nearly five years ago. Cheers! --A bit iffy (talk) 23:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

December 2011
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Matty Hughes (footballer) Afd
In my nomination I acknowledge Hughes had played for Fleetwood. However Fleetwood are not in a fully professional league WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues therefore fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Regards &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 15:27, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Line two of WP:NFOOTBALL stats: Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable. Fleetwood aren't in a fully professional league. Please acquaint yourself properly with the notablity guidelines before taking part in deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 15:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In my reason for nomination I stated (see top of AfD), "Has never played in a fully pro league and never played while at Celtic. Has only played in the Conference & therefore fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Also doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG". So I only stated on your talkpege that Fleetwood weren't professional by accident. Anyway this discussion is pointless because he still fails WP:NFOOTBALL per not playing in a fully pro league. Happy Editing &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 15:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

TOTD
Consensus is to Help:Edit_summary.

It's a shame you've so far shunned ESs - is there some reason why you've done so? Trafford09 (talk) 16:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, which I've moved to below here, to keep the discussion in one place:
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 * Hello, I aprecheate that you're only trying to help but if you could teach me how to be a better Wikipedean rather than being a wikipedia Nazi I would be very greatful. :Veganfishcake (talk) 17:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

So, good to see you use talk pages. But not Edit Summaries? Would you care to share your reasons? Easiest to reply here, & I'll keep your page on my wp:watchlist. Trafford09 (talk) 17:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Will you please stop trying to dictate to me what I should or should not be doing on Wikipdia? I'm fairly new to this. Despite having been a member for over 6 years I am only just coming to grips with the basics of editing wikipedia, with my interest having only increased of the last few months. I would like help & education, not critisism. veganfishcake (talk) 18:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I gave you the impression I was dictating, Jake. My wish is to enquire, and indeed help if I'm able. In November, in this initial contact with you, I politely asked why you had seemingly stopped using ESs - it's clear you knew what they are.

You didn't respond then, so 15 days later I sent you a standard (& polite) 'single issue notice' template (in fact this), reminding you and again asking you a question.

Today, after a further month with no reply, I thought maybe you'd profit from knowing what the benefits to Wikipedia are, when people use ESs.

I think you are like me, in that you value Wikipedia (WP) and want to - and indeed do - improve its articles? But of course WP is a collaborative project, relying on all players embracing and following wp:consensus. (Much like politics & football - passions we share.) So, along with the rights that you & I have here, we also share responsibilities.

If you agree with these sentiments, may I urge you to supply brief ESs with your edits? Best wishes, Trafford09 (talk) 22:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Templates
Nice job on the 2001 and 2005 Navbox templates for the local elections. I always intended to create them, but have never got round to them!

I notice you also added sequence boxes back to the Sheffield council elections. I don't think these are needed in this case, as the article already have the Template:Sheffield Council elections template already on them, which allows the reader to navigate to the articles in the sequence box (and to any other Sheffield council elections as well). I notice HeadlightMorning removed the sequence boxes when he created the above template and this is the same procedure I have recently been following - for instance at Carlisle local elections. I wondered what your thinking was in adding them back in this case?

Anyway regardless to the above, nice to see another person working on local election articles. Davewild (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I get your point, but think having 2 things doing close to the same job clutters the page a little. To address your point I have amended the Template:Sheffield Council elections so it defaults to be uncollapsed (i.e shown open on each page), even when there is another template on the same page. This should mean the template is as quick now as a sequence box (while still having the extra options to link to). What do you think? Davewild (talk) 19:14, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with the above - I copied the 'Carlisle model' because it looked like a concise and visually appealing way to impart the info, but with everything, in further detail, remaining - but in new homes. To have the old stuff - sequence boxes, yearly lists, by-election lists on local elections etc - still there, as well as the new stuff, to me, makes for overkill, and I'd rather adopt the next design or stick with the old model than be left with a superfluous both. Just my opinion, mind.


 * (I hadn't realised you'd went and re-added them, I thought the '72 sequences were just ones I'd forgot to delete - I'm that used to being the sole editor for these pages, it hadn't occurred to me to check.)HeadlightMorning (talk)

Salford 2007/2011
Hey Vegan. Just to let you know, really, tomorrow I intend to sort out the pages for Salford's council elections in 2007 and 2011 (as they are 'paired'). Looks like an attempt was made to start and it's subsequently ground to a halt. In the broader context of all council election results it's clear that some editors are comparing each election's results (which is not always correct) whilst others [including me] compare like for like. The latter is correct for those authorities which elect in thirds (such as Manc, Liverpool, Salford) so I might have to start looking at all the 'pairs' and correct the figures. Anyway, that's for later - for tomorrow, it's Salford. doktorb wordsdeeds 14:23, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Erm, sorry, beat you to it :oops: It could do with tidying up though! doktorb wordsdeeds 14:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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Sounds good to me. There's already geek up type events here which could work well in conjunction with Wikipedia editors doktorb wordsdeeds 11:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Categorizing commons files on Wikipedia
Hello Veganfushcake, please do not add local (Wikipedia_ categories to Commons files. Per Wikimedia Commons, categories should be added to the commons file description pages, not the Wikipedia file description pages. (example: and ). Thank you,  Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  05:33, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My wife is an old girl of Baines Endowed School but that did not stop me deleting the category here. I know it seems a bit messy having to look here for articles and on the Commons for pictures but it is very well established practise. If you want to do image categorisation, there are thousands in commons:Category:Images from the Geograph British Isles project needing category review. (And I would never dream of trying to put the two photos in Preston and Wyre Joint Railway into a Wikipedia category!) &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, I've no idea what you're talking about. Second of all, that is a photo of Baines School in Poulton-le-Fylde which is the high school & sixth form that myself, my sister, both my parents, my cousin and my grandfather attended. Baines Endowed School is a primary school in Thornton that my father attended.veganfishcake (talk) 14:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Amazing! About which particular bit have you no idea? We are only trying to save you wasting your time on edits which get promptly deleted. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:06, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly new to wikipedia so am unfamiliar with wikipedia jargen as of yet veganfishcake (talk) 15:09, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * So which bit of wiki jargon did you not understand? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Free files and images are stored on a separate database, Wikimedia Commons. While you can see commons media on Wikipedia, it isn't actually "here" on Wikipedia. So if you add categories to the Wikipedia file description page, you are categorizing a non-existent file. Categories should therefore be added to the commons description page, as that is where the actual file is. I hope that helps. If you have any questions, I would be more than happy to help. Best, Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  23:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Labour Party
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 * In this case, I will put up for the centre-left claims as I genuinely believe the Labour Party are a centre-right party as all they've done in local or national governments over the last 15 years is mostly centre-right reforms. I did not make those edits as vandalism. veganfishcake (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You can't remove references because you don't like them and it's unreasonable to put tags anywhere you see the word socialist, even if the claim that the party is democratic socialist has been referenced in the infobox and the main prose. -- Peter (Talk page) 17:56, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not removing them because I don't like them but because they were out of date. The Labour Party used to be socialist and center-left when the reference was written, but has since shifted to center-right. veganfishcake (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Labour is a centre-left party, that is what most netural obverses agree with, that is were Labour would position itself. In Westminster sense the centre has shifted, and in that sense, Labour is centre-left at the Westmisnter scale. Same as the Democrats being centre-left on the US scale, and the SDP is centre-left in Germany, etc. The political centre is not a fixed point, and varies from place to place. As for the references, most of those are in date and the current Clause IV (introduced by Tony Blair) of the Labour Party states that it is a democratic socialist party, and Labour still currently describes itself as such. --Welshsocialist (talk) 19:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Left-wing and centre-left mean having progressive and egalitarian principles. This has always and will always be the case. Labour do not have these principles anymore. The Democrats are also centre-right. The gap between rich and poor increased under Tony Blair & Gordon Brown. Tony Blair privatised more than Thatcher did. Tony Blair started two illegal wars. Unions lost even more rights while corporations and banks gained more rights under Blair and Brown bailed out the banks to the tune of many millions which was used on bankers bonuses. These are fairy ring-wing things that happened under the last Labour government. Please give citations for claims of centre-left. People with a genuine understanding of what left-wing and centre-left generally agree that New Labour are not centre-left. Being more left-wing than the Conservative Party does not make Labour centre-left unlike what most people think. veganfishcake (talk) 01:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to add that some of the references that were removed, which called the party ethical socialist, were from ''2005'. To me, that isn't very out of date. -- Peter (Talk page) 19:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Noted and put back, genuine mistake veganfishcake (talk) 01:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

"....Unlike what most people think" in other words, you personally don't believe Labour is left wing enough, and therefore want to change it? I would like some citition that Labour is, in fact, not centre-left. As for what Labour did in government I think it did a lot of progressive, centre-left things. Minimum wage, sure start, civil partnerships, lowering the age of consent for homosexuals,abolition of section 28, devolution, recording investment in the NHS, banned anti-personal mines, more rights for workers, increased child benefit, etc, etc. Anyone can recite very different accounts of what a government has achieved, or did wrong. Depending on their idealogical POV. It just ammounts to original research, and a valid source.--Welshsocialist (talk) 09:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm involved in left-wing politics and members of true left-wing groups like Socialist Workers Party, Socialist Party (formerly Militant Labour), Socialist Resistance, Permanent Revolution, Communist Party of Britain, Communist Party of Great Britain (M–L), Green Party of England and Wales, Scottish Green Party, Respect Party all say that Labour are not left-leaning. I am not alone in believing Labour to be centerist at best. Under Blair and Brown the gap between rich and poor widened. This is not progressive. This is not egalitarian. This is right-wing. Under Blair the number of millioniares in the UK exploded, and we became a much more unequal society, basically finishing off Thatcher's job. Corporations got more rights and the banks were bailed out to the tune of tens of billions of pounds. As for citations:

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Yahoo anwsers is not reiable, a blog is someone's opinion and thats not fact, socialism today is a newspaper of a political party, so has an agenda, and the political compass does not take into account the time or place of politics, so therefore doesn't reaaly take into accoutn that, in a Westminster context Labour is centre-left. Like in a Welsh context, Welsh Labour, and Plaid Cymru are centre-left, in a German context the SDP is centre-left, in the American context the Democrats are centre-left. The centre is not a fixed point, it various from country to coutnry.--Welshsocialist (talk) 21:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * To have any sense of left or socialism you have to have egaliarian principles and there is no evidence that since Blair took over the Labour Party that the party has egalitarian principles. veganfishcake (talk) 21:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * Unfortunately your most recent revert while logged out has left me with no choice but to request an investigation into your behaviour. If you wish to comment the case is at WP:AN3. Betty Logan (talk) 11:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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 * While it's fairly clear that you've reverted for a fourth time in 24 hours while logged out, you are very clearly in violation of our edit warring policy even with your logged in edits. Your explicit declaration that you will continue to revert the material despite a clear opposing consensus leaves no room for discretion; please conclude the debate on the article's talk page before making any further edits to that article.  Thank you.  Kuru   (talk)  11:43, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

veganfishcake (talk) 23:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC) No, that's not what happened. In the middle of a 24 hour block for edit warring, you started editing while logged out and had the block extended to a week for block evasion. There are only five days left in the block, so wait. Also, it's bad form to have more than one open request at a time. Origamiteis out right now 00:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you read the initial report to get me blocked (in the history of the following article: WP:AN3 ), or as I will quote from just a few lines above in this very talk page: "Unfortunately your most recent revert while logged out has left me with no choice but to request an investigation into your behaviour. If you wish to comment the case is at WP:AN3#User:Veganfishcake reported by User:Betty Logan (Result: ). Betty Logan (talk) 11:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)", it states that they believed I had logged out and edited in order to avoid getting blocked in the first place. As it happens, someone else I live with who agrees with me on this issue logged me out and made the edit using my computer. I then got banned for 24 hours for something which I accept I did, I kept on reversing a post. Within that 24 hours an investigation into sockpuppeting against me was started and I was told I could give evidence, even though I was banned at the time so could not edit the relevant article and got banned for a further week before I next visited Wikipedia so it was too late for me to give evidence as the decision had been made. veganfishcake (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Somebody who lives with you decided to edit Wikipedia, on that article, and bothered signing you out? Please read WP:LITTLEBRO. Origamiteis out right now 01:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have read this. It still doesn't make what I stated to be false though. Nor does it address the issue that I was blocked after the logged out edit was made, for 3RR and then an investigation into the logged out edit was made, I was informed that I could provide evidence but was blocked at the time and was further blocked for a week before being able to provide evidence. veganfishcake (talk) 01:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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